[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 67917] Moving by word right moves to the beginning of next word, not end of current word on OS X

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 CC||m.wegh...@posteo.de
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   Severity|normal  |enhancement

--- Comment #29 from eisa01  ---
Still present. I guess this is more an enhancement to comply with macOS
conventions

Version: 7.5.1.2 (AARCH64) / LibreOffice Community
Build ID: fcbaee479e84c6cd81291587d2ee68cba099e129
CPU threads: 10; OS: Mac OS X 13.2.1; UI render: default; VCL: osx
Locale: en-US (en_US.UTF-8); UI: en-US
Calc: threaded

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   Hardware|Other   |All
Version|4.2.0.0.alpha0+ Master  |Inherited From OOo

--- Comment #27 from eisa01  ---
Still present, and also in LO 3.3

Version: 7.0.0.0.alpha0+
Build ID: f14691683900f6b28737be8c599e1ee4e8386e14
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   Keywords|skillCpp, topicUI   |
 CC|libreoffice-ux-advise@lists |
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Jani disagreed with easyhack, so cleaning up other keywords. UX input given, 
removing the ML from CC.

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--- Comment #24 from Boris Dušek  ---
Tested
with LibreOffice 5.4.1.2 (Build ID: ea7cb86e6eeb2bf3a5af73a8fac570321527)
on macOS 10.13 (17A365).

The result is that the "non-optional" part of the bug is still reproducible
(i.e. the actual behaviour is "The cursor ends right before "b" in word "brown"
and after the space.").

However the "optional" part of the bug is no longer reproducible (i.e. the
actual behaviour is "If optional step 3. was taken, then VoiceOver will read
word "quick"). At first look this is however most likely due to a change in
VoiceOver itself in its newer releases, not due to any change in LibreOffice
itself.

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   Keywords|easyHack, needsDevEval  |
 Status|NEEDINFO|NEW

--- Comment #22 from jan iversen  ---
Changing multiple places in writer is not really an easyHack.

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--- Comment #21 from Heiko Tietze  ---
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> Why needinfo? needinfo from whom?

Because of easyhack without codepointers. Thats what we agreed on with QA.

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Why needinfo? needinfo from whom?

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   Keywords||easyHack, needsDevEval,
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Setting EASYHACK following Tomaz' comment 14. Please add codepointers.

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--- Comment #18 from Boris Dušek  ---
I can say that with LO 5.2.1 for macOS just downloaded from libreoffice.org, on
macOS 10.12, the issue is still reproducible: After following the "Steps to
reproduce", I still do not get the "Expected results", but rather the "Actual
results".

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V Stuart Foote  changed:

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 Status|RESOLVED|NEW
 Resolution|FIXED   |---

--- Comment #17 from V Stuart Foote  ---
Lets let Borris make that call as to WFM, no indication it has been fixed with
a commit at the 5.1.5 or in 5.2 or master. Back to NEW

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 Status|NEW |RESOLVED
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--- Comment #16 from Daniel T.  ---
Seems fixed / Can no longer reproduce in the following version

Version: 5.1.5.2
Build ID: 1:5.1.5~rc2-0ubuntu1~trusty1

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--- Comment #15 from Heiko Tietze  ---
(In reply to Yousuf Philips (jay) from comment #12)
> So we have to weigh whether its more important for users who switch from OS
> to OS to have the same behaviour in LO or to make LO feel more at home with
> other mac apps.

We should prefer OS/DE typical behavior. Most users do not switch frequently.

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--- Comment #14 from Tomaz Vajngerl  ---
Heh.. interesting that people notice this things. I was using various editor
with mixed behavior and never noticed it - only now when I checked. Oh well..

> @tomaz: would it be simple to implement a different behaviour for ctrl+right
> arrow?

Probably not too hard to change, yes. Could be an easy hack.. possibly together
with other similar changes. But probably needs changes on multiple places as
Writer does its own thing.

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--- Comment #13 from steve -_-  ---
MS office on macOS moves to the next word and is always on the left side of
that word. (input requested by jay)

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   ||philip...@hotmail.com,
   ||qui...@gmail.com,
   ||tietze.he...@gmail.com,
   ||vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu
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   ||tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=89
   ||154

--- Comment #12 from Yousuf Philips (jay)  ---
So we have to weigh whether its more important for users who switch from OS to
OS to have the same behaviour in LO or to make LO feel more at home with other
mac apps. The last time this issue was brought up (cant remember which bug it
was in :D), we went with consistency of LO across platforms.

@steve, @alex: Can you check what other cross platform apps do about this
behaviour on their mac versions?

@tomaz: would it be simple to implement a different behaviour for ctrl+right
arrow?

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--- Comment #11 from Boris Dušek  ---
The bug is still present in LibreOffice 5.0.4 on OS X 10.11.2.

(Testing with 3.3.0 asks for installing Java which I have, and I am not
successful at adding the installed Java to LO there, so giving up on it).

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oscar valenzuela oscar.valenzuel...@gmail.com changed:

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 Status|REOPENED|NEW

--- Comment #9 from oscar valenzuela oscar.valenzuel...@gmail.com ---
Confirmed in LibreOffice (Dev) 4.4.0 alpha1 under Mac OS X 10.10 (Yosemite)
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--- Comment #7 from James spa...@gmx.net ---
Not sure if I agree. alt + right-arrow moves to beginning of the next word. If
you  end on the word you are in or end at the start of the next word is just a
design choice. It does neither improve nor degrade a workflow.

Boris, do you know if this is a recommendation in some Apple Design Guideline?
If so, could you link to that?

Just checked and indeed all other softwares behave as you describe, so for the
sake of consistency this should be changed. Not sure if this goes for all
platforms or only OS X, though.

Khaled, this behavior is not new to LO 4.2. It exists already in 4.1.1.2. Not
sure about older versions but I'd guess they behave the same.

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--- Comment #8 from Boris Dušek m...@dusek.me ---
Hello James, now I looked into the OS X HIG and found this:

Shift-Alt-right arrow: Extend selection to the end of the current word, then to
the end of the next word.

It's at
https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/documentation/userexperience/Conceptual/AppleHIGuidelines/KeyboardShortcuts/KeyboardShortcuts.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40002725-SW2

While this is not Alt-right arrow but that with Shift added, it can be
deduced from that how Alt-right arrow behaves - it should move to the end of
the current word, then to the end of the next word, i.e. the cursor is at the
end of some word after that action.

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--- Comment #6 from Khaled Hosny khaledho...@eglug.org ---
Is this behaviour new in 4.2? If not, then the version field needs to be
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--- Comment #5 from Boris Dušek m...@dusek.me ---
I tend to disagree. I think even cross-platform products should as much as
possible adhere to the conventions of the platform they run on. Because users
of that platform will not compare the behavior of such software with behavior
of the same software on a different platform. They will compare the behavior of
such software with behavior of other software on the *same* platform in case
there is a convention.

For OS X user, it's of no use for the alt-arrow to behave consistently with
Windows or other platforms they don't use. For OS X user, it's of great use for
alt-arrow to behave the same as the rest of the system, which they do use and
the way they are used to. And the same IMHO holds if you substitute OS X for
GNOME, Windows, or any other platform.

Note that on OS X, already many shortcuts behave differently because of text
conventions - e.g. Ctrl+P does not start printing, but moves in text line up
(in fact, a whole bunch of emacs shortcuts work in text components on OS X and
therefore LO). Printing is instead done by Cmd+P. Because that's what the OS X
user expects. Etc.

I personally find the behavior of LO confusing exactly because I am used from
other OS X apps to the OS X convention of what alt-arrow means. Not because the
convention is better in any way. But because it is consistently used by OS X
apps, Apple and non-Apple ones, and I am used to such behavior. And I don't
care how LO behaves on other platforms as I don't use those platforms.

So this is approximately how I think about it. Not cross-platform consistency,
but platform consistency.

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 Status|NEW |RESOLVED
 Resolution|--- |NOTABUG

--- Comment #1 from Urmas davian...@gmail.com ---
The move-by-word command is moving it to the beginning of words.
It has always been moving it to the beginning of words.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 67917] Moving by word right moves to the beginning of next word, not end of current word on OS X

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https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=67917

Boris Dušek m...@dusek.me changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|RESOLVED|REOPENED
 Resolution|NOTABUG |---

--- Comment #2 from Boris Dušek m...@dusek.me ---
You make it sound like a natural law even though it is a matter of definition
and it seems the definition on OS X is not how LO behaves.

I also don't think you should close my (or anyone's) bug without discussing my
(their) concerns mentioned in the bug report - or you think the reference OS X
apps like TextEdit, Pages, Mail, TextMate I mentioned are buggy in this regard?

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 67917] Moving by word right moves to the beginning of next word, not end of current word on OS X

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--- Comment #3 from Boris Dušek m...@dusek.me ---
Just to make it clear - I am discussing behavior of LibreOffice on OS X, not on
any other platform.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 67917] Moving by word right moves to the beginning of next word, not end of current word on OS X

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--- Comment #4 from Urmas davian...@gmail.com ---
The cross-platform products require a stable behavior. The same keypress/macro
command cannot give unpredictable results.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 67917] Moving by word right moves to the beginning of next word, not end of current word on OS X

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Boris Dušek m...@dusek.me changed:

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 Status|UNCONFIRMED |NEW
 Blocks||55571
 Ever confirmed|0   |1

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