[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 67943] ACCESSIBILITY: Issues with tabbed dialogs on Mac OS X

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--- Comment #15 from eisa01  ---
Not really sure if this is present or not. Yes, the items in e.g., paragraph
formatting are still buttons, but I'm able to move the focus between them with
the Voiceover cursor

Version: 7.1.0.3 / LibreOffice Community
Build ID: f6099ecf3d29644b5008cc8f48f42f4a40986e4c
CPU threads: 4; OS: Mac OS X 10.14.6; UI render: default; VCL: osx
Locale: en-US (en_US.UTF-8); UI: en-US
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--- Comment #13 from Alex Thurgood  ---
Hi Julien,

The link you posted previously in comment 6, points to a now deprecated
accessibility API. The current API that should be used :

https://developer.apple.com/documentation/appkit/nsaccessibilitytabgrouprole?language=objc

points to a specific tabgroup role, but again, is not particularly helpful.

The subrole page also has a tabButtonSubrole :

https://developer.apple.com/documentation/appkit/nsaccessibilitytabbuttonsubrole?language=objc


See also this discussion here about TextMate, where a similar problem was
encountered when using VoiceOver in a tabbed setting:

https://github.com/textmate/bugs/issues/7

Also, it seems that the Chromium project addressed a similar issue here :

https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/forum/#!topic/chromium-reviews/vK3ReXKiJi0

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--- Comment #12 from Julien Nabet  ---
Alex: thought you might have some thoughts here.

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--- Comment #11 from eisa01  ---
Looking at this, it seems like the tabs are still announced as buttons in
VoiceOver, so I guess this is still present

Version: 6.3.0.0.alpha0+
Build ID: ce2b98580b9f36d6f358bd2c9c027d3d82cb33d7
CPU threads: 2; OS: Mac OS X 10.13.6; UI render: default; VCL: osx; 
TinderBox: MacOSX-x86_64@49-TDF, Branch:master, Time: 2019-01-30_01:04:02
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--- Comment #9 from eisa01  ---
The behaviour described in comment #5 is still present (shifting of the bottom
and top row on File -> Properties), so this has probably not improved

Version: 5.4.0.3
Build ID: 7556cbc6811c9d992f4064ab9287069087d7f62c
CPU threads: 2; OS: Mac OS X 10.12.6; UI render: default; 
Locale: en-US (en_US.UTF-8); Calc: group

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--- Comment #6 from Julien Nabet serval2...@yahoo.fr ---
Just for the record:
http://opengrok.libreoffice.org/xref/core/vcl/osx/a11yrolehelper.mm#81

Here's offical Apple api I found:
https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/documentation/Cocoa/Reference/ApplicationKit/Protocols/NSAccessibility_Protocol/index.html#//apple_ref/doc/constant_group/Roles
The problem is the description doesn't give sufficient hints.
So with this:
NSAccessibilityRoleAttribute. This required attribute identifies the type of
the accessibility object. Cocoa defines a large number of role values, such as
NSAccessibilityApplicationRole, NSAccessibilityRadioButtonRole, and
NSAccessibilityScrollAreaRole. The value of the role attribute is for
programmatic identification purposes only (an assistive application will never
present the value of the role attribute to a user) and therefore does not need
to be localized. See the NSAccessibility protocol description for a list of all
the roles defined in Cocoa.
from
https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/documentation/Cocoa/Conceptual/Accessibility/cocoaAXOverview/cocoaAXOverview.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/20001057-BAJBCJHJ
It's quite difficult to find the good value.

For tab, I took a look too at mozab,
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/Accessibility/AT-APIs/Gecko/Roles/ROLE_PAGETAB,
they use NSAccessibilityGroupRole

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--- Comment #5 from Foss f...@openmailbox.org ---
Confirmed:4.2.1.1:OSX

I tired LO  new writer document, File  Properties. Click top row and bottom
row and they switch which is total unnative and irritation behavior. Should not
happen.

NEW.

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--- Comment #4 from Niklas Johansson sleeping.pil...@gmail.com ---
I inspected some other programs and their tabbed dialogs. It seems they use
AXRadioButton with AXRoleDescription = tab.

Another observation is that controls that belong to a tab is children of
AXTabGroup. In LibreOffice they are Children of the AXButton (tab).

When a tab is selected in LibreOffice we get the hierarchy
AXApplication: LibreOffice

If not selected we get:
AXApplication: LibreOffice
 AXWindow: The name of the dialog
  AXTabGroup
   AXButton: The name of the tab

When the tab is selected it should still have the same hierarchy as when it's
not selected.

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--- Comment #3 from Niklas Johansson sleeping.pil...@gmail.com ---
The three dialogs you mention are all such dialogs. As I mentiond in a mail to
you I tried changing the role to NSAccessibilityTabGroupRole which makes it
possible to switch tabs and access the controls contained in the tab. But there
are some serious issues with text controls that makes VoiceOver behave pretty
much as you describe. Moving away from the text field to a checkbox seems to
make the flickering stop. 

On Monday I should have access to a computer again and I'll try to take a
closer look at this.

In other programs VoiceOver reports this type of tabs as tab x of y.

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--- Comment #1 from Boris Dušek m...@dusek.me ---
Could you please give some example of such a dialog? I tried 3 of them
(right-click text - Paragraph..., right-click text - Characters... and File 
Properties...) and VoiceOver is consistently crashing on them (crashes then
reopens than crashes again in infinite cycle until you dismiss the dialogs).

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--- Comment #2 from Boris Dušek m...@dusek.me ---
Just adding I am trying with LO master and OS X 10.8.4.

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