[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 81658] Include Tables among Cross-references (Field)

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--- Comment #15 from Ulrich Windl  ---
(In reply to Cor Nouws from comment #13)
[...]
> Then let Ulrich do it.
[...]
> This bug simply is WorskForMe.

(In reply to Kumāra from comment #14)
[...]
> Cor, this *is* an enhancement request. If Ulrich or someone else can fix
> this, then why close this with WORKSFORME?

So while it's simple to fix (and it is a useful request (other programs can do
that!)) you are not willing to take care of it? Actually I do not have the
resources to fix it, but I donated to the project regularly. I dod not like
they way, reasonable enhancement requests are handled here. I had to say that.
Sorry.

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--- Comment #14 from Kumāra  ---
(In reply to Cor Nouws from comment #13)
> (In reply to Kumāra from comment #12)
> > I'm reopening this. I now agree with Ulrich Windl (in Comment 9) that "It
> > seems the fix isn't complicated, but would help usability a lot."
> Then let Ulrich do it.
> Or create an enhancement request.
> You can't insert references to images too, if they do not have a caption.
> Etc.
> This bug simply is WorskForMe.

Cor, this *is* an enhancement request. If Ulrich or someone else can fix this,
then why close this with WORKSFORME?

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--- Comment #13 from Cor Nouws  ---
(In reply to Kumāra from comment #12)
> I'm reopening this. I now agree with Ulrich Windl (in Comment 9) that "It
> seems the fix isn't complicated, but would help usability a lot."
Then let Ulrich do it.
Or create an enhancement request.
You can't insert references to images too, if they do not have a caption. Etc.
This bug simply is WorskForMe.

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Referenced Bugs:

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=107905
[Bug 107905] [META] Cross-references bugs and enhancements
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--- Comment #12 from Kumāra  ---
I'm reopening this. I now agree with Ulrich Windl (in Comment 9) that "It seems
the fix isn't complicated, but would help usability a lot."

The 2 suggested workarounds are not really workable:

1. Create a caption and reference it instead.
a. The user may not want to have a caption. (That's true for me.)
b. Clicking on the link leads to the caption, not the table. OK if the caption
is above the table, but not OK if its below (esp a long table).
c. Even if the above issues are relevant to certain users, the steps are
unnecessarily tedious. 

2. Drag and drop a table object from the Navigator into the document.
a. This creates a link with a line, which may be undesirable.
b. The user can't insert the page number and other elements available for
cross-references.

Since LO can cross-reference footnotes, why not tables?

So again, I'd like to request this enhancement: Include Tables among
Cross-references, which "isn't complicated, but would help usability a lot."


For the benefit of others seeking the same, my current workaround is to place a
bookmark on the first row of the table, and cross-reference that. That's the
only way I know to make the result elegant, but it's a bit tedious. A fix is
still much preferred, and will be much appreciated.

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--- Comment #11 from Ulrich Windl  ---
(In reply to Kumāra from comment #10)
> ä may not count as Unicode. Try this: jhāna

So maybe "Unicode" actually means "a code point > 0xff", like U+0101 (small
letter a with macron).

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--- Comment #10 from Kumāra  ---
(In reply to Ulrich Windl from comment #9)
> Also in 5.2.5.1 (Linux) no hyperlinks are inserted when dragging a table
> from the navigator, but in 5.2.6.2 (Windows) they are. 

Better compare using the same number version.

> Also in the latter
> version I could rename the Table using Unicode characters (e.g. "Tabäle1"),
> and dragging the table into text correctly displayed the Unicode character.

ä may not count as Unicode. Try this: jhāna

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--- Comment #9 from Ulrich Windl  ---
IMHO that does not work for me: The problem as described is not fixed, and the
workaround presented in comment #1 simply demonstrates that all the mechanisms
needed are there in the code base (e.g. captions as suggested in comment #3 and
comment #4 are not really necessary), just the higher levels don't make use of
it. It seems the fix isn't complicated, but would help usability a lot.
Also in 5.2.5.1 (Linux) no hyperlinks are inserted when dragging a table from
the navigator, but in 5.2.6.2 (Windows) they are. Also in the latter version I
could rename the Table using Unicode characters (e.g. "Tabäle1"), and dragging
the table into text correctly displayed the Unicode character.

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 Status|NEW |RESOLVED
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--- Comment #8 from Kumāra  ---
(In reply to Ulrich Windl from comment #1)
> (I thought this once worked already).
> From the navigator you can add such a reference dragging the table into the
> text, but the text for the link is ugly (like "table3").

You're right. This I've just learnt from you. Thank you very much!

The "ugly" text link is editable. So, it's ok. Actually, I can also rename the
table at the Navigator first (though space characters unallowed). All's good
here.

The only issue left is the table names must contain basic alphanumerics only.
If Unicode characters are used, dragging the link into the text will have "?"
in place of any Unicode characters. It also makes the link useless.

Workaround: Avoid Unicode characters in table names. Then (as Ulrich suggested)
from the Navigator, drag the table name to where you want to place the link.
Edit the link text if necessary. (Note: Renaming the table later will break the
link.)

Marking this as WORKSFORME.

(Btw, this issue is not about "Table of Contents". Please report that
separately.)

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--- Comment #7 from dieterp  ---
Created attachment 132443
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Screenshot table of contents

Sorry, but I can't answer your question, because my "table of contents"-dialog
looks different (5.3.2.2 (x64)).

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--- Comment #6 from Ulrich Windl  ---
Looking at the image in attachment 132351, I noticed that "Create from" "Object
Names" is unchecked: If I check that, I get an index for images and tables, but
I cannot select what type of information I want (like for "Create from"
"Captions"). That must be a bug: Why is the option "Captions", if it allows
sub-options "References", "Category and Number", and "Caption Text"?
To me the first option "Create from" seems useless, because you could select it
all from the sub-options. Did I miss something?

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--- Comment #5 from Ulrich Windl  ---
Created attachment 132351
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Sample Document with an image, a table, and index of tables and images

(In reply to Ulrich Windl from comment #2)
> Comment #0 also lacks the fact that "images" is also present. It's hard to
> understand, why you can reference images, but not tables.

(In reply to dieterp from comment #4)
(...)
> First you have to make sure, that captions are automatically added:
(...)
> If you now insert a new table in your document, "table" as a type in your
> cross-reference dialog.
> 
> So my proposal is to close this bug as WORKSFORME and open another bug for
(...)

I strongly object: A table is a table even without a caption. You can even
select between "References", "Category and Number" and "Caption Text". So only
for the last one a caption should be (must?) present.

In the sample document both indexes (tables of images and tables) are empty,
even though "Category and number" was selected. However Navigator shows both:
"Table1" and "Image1".

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--- Comment #4 from dieterp  ---
Sorry, I've forgotten an important step in my previous comment:

First you have to make sure, that captions are automatically added:
Tools -> Option -> LibreOffice Write -> AutoCaption -> Enable "Add captions
automatically when inserting" for LibreOffice Writer table.

If you now insert a new table in your document, "table" as a type in your
cross-reference dialog.

So my proposal is to close this bug as WORKSFORME and open another bug for
Writer-Help so that somebody can add some informations about tables as a type
of cross-reference in the help.

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--- Comment #3 from dieterp  ---
I think the option of using tables as a cross-reference is there. Steps to
reproduce (with LO 5.2.3.3):

1. Open an new document

2. Insert an new table (Table => Insert table) and enable "headings" => Insert
table

3. Insert => Cross-reference => You can choose the type "table"

I think it depends on creating a heading, because

4. Delate the heading of the table

5. Insert => Cross-reference => You can‘t choose the type "table"

I only got the solution, because in one of my documents I could choose table as
a reference-style and within another document I couldn't. So I think it would
be unseful to add this information in LO Help, because I could'nt find this
information there (german version).

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--- Comment #2 from Ulrich Windl  ---
Comment #0 also lacks the fact that "images" is also present. It's hard to
understand, why you can reference images, but not tables.

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--- Comment #1 from Ulrich Windl  ---
(I thought this once worked already).
>From the navigator you can add such a reference dragging the table into the
text, but the text for the link is ugly (like "table3").

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