[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 83819] FORMATTING: Ligatures spaced out inappropriately

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--- Comment #15 from JC Ahangama  ---
Thank you most profusely, Khaled. May I honor you with highly Sanskritized
Sinhala that you are a prophet of godly wisdom (try Monier-Williams Sanskrit
dictionary for aizvaryavat and ISva. Use the aruNa font to read it in the
Singhala script)

khaaled aizvaryyavaþ iixvarayeki!

It was a 5-year task to hack Singhala into a Latin font and redraw 2500 hidden
ligatures in it. The people say it looks like real Sinhala though not certified
by Europeans. Another miracle!

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 83819] FORMATTING: Ligatures spaced out inappropriately

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Khaled Hosny  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Whiteboard|BSA |BSA target:5.3.0

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 83819] FORMATTING: Ligatures spaced out inappropriately

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Khaled Hosny  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|REOPENED|RESOLVED
 Resolution|--- |FIXED

--- Comment #14 from Khaled Hosny  ---
(In reply to JC Ahangama from comment #13)
> This issue is NOT resolved.

The issue is fixed in the next version of LibreOffice, 5.3, and I verified it.
Please ask before re-opening.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 83819] FORMATTING: Ligatures spaced out inappropriately

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JC Ahangama  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|RESOLVED|REOPENED
 Resolution|FIXED   |---

--- Comment #13 from JC Ahangama  ---
This issue is NOT resolved.

Please see comments 1 and 2 by Adolfo Jayme to understand the bug.

I installed the latest version of LibreOffice available (5.2.3.3) after
uninstalling previous two versions I had and even having cleared the system
registry in Windows 10.

The problem exists exactly the same way. I used the '.odt' file originally
submitted here for testing. Changed the solitary Greek Phi to capital L.

The situation in short is that all browsers, all Linux systems, all Macintosh
systems, Windows Notepad, iPhone and Android phones plus Microsoft Excel and
most importantly, Microsoft Word later than 2013 show the text perfectly.

LibreOffice is the odd girl standing out in the cold.

I see the comments went meandering into deeper and deeper abyss, which is
understandable because it flowed for 3 years. That caused someone to name my
request OBSOLETE.

The original font we used is 'samagana'. After some updates, we are now using
the 'aruNa' font available here: http://smartfonts.net/ttf/aruna.ttf
Please use that font to test. (remember to change the Greek Phi into a capital
L)


May I most humbly mention that you are not properly implementing ligatures
either. This could be the root cause of the problem. Standard Ligatures are in
the province of the font, not the application using the font. (MS Office Group
also misunderstands it. English that MS wrote is clear in the standard).

The simple test is to use Calibri to show the word 'difficult' in a very large
size inside Write and Notepad. the f+f+i ligature does not bind inside Write.
This means that the fundamentals of OT standard are not understood as it
applies to the SIMPLE SCRIPT used by Western European languages. 'aruNa',
believe or not, is also a 'funny' rendering of the SIMPLE SCRIPT. The
underlying code set is NOT complex Indic. Just look at the text in the ODT file
to understand it. It is ROMANIZED SINHALA.

This is a rescue effort, an eminently successful one, for all South Asians. So,
please let's give them LibreOffice overcoming the massive misunderstanding of
Indic by Unicode so that they stop stealing Microsoft Windows by habit.

Thank you.

JC

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 83819] FORMATTING: Ligatures spaced out inappropriately

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=83819
Bug 83819 depends on bug 89870, which changed state.

Bug 89870 Summary: Unify text layout to use HarfBuzz on all platforms
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=89870

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|NEW |RESOLVED
 Resolution|--- |FIXED

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 83819] FORMATTING: Ligatures spaced out inappropriately

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=83819
Bug 83819 depends on bug 89870, which changed state.

Bug 89870 Summary: [META] HarfBuzz common text layout implementation tracker
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=89870

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|RESOLVED|NEW
 Resolution|FIXED   |---

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Khaled Hosny  changed:

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  Component|Writer  |graphics stack

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Khaled Hosny  changed:

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 Status|NEW |RESOLVED
 Resolution|--- |FIXED

--- Comment #12 from Khaled Hosny  ---
The font is hack font (assigning glyphs to unrelated Unicode characters). We do
not support this, but the issue is fixed nevertheless.

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--- Comment #11 from Khaled Hosny  ---
Sorry, wrong bug. This needs to be checked against master.

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Khaled Hosny  changed:

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 CC||khaledho...@eglug.org

--- Comment #10 from Khaled Hosny  ---
This isn’t fixed yet, but one can disable ligatures manually now.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 83819] FORMATTING: Ligatures spaced out inappropriately

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=83819
Bug 83819 depends on bug 89870, which changed state.

Bug 89870 Summary: Unify text layout to use HarfBuzz on all platforms
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=89870

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|NEW |RESOLVED
 Resolution|--- |FIXED

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 83819] FORMATTING: Ligatures spaced out inappropriately

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Phil Krylov  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Depends on||89870


Referenced Bugs:

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=89870
[Bug 89870] Unify text layout to use HarfBuzz on all platforms
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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 83819] FORMATTING: Ligatures spaced out inappropriately

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Beluga todven...@suomi24.fi changed:

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--- Comment #8 from Beluga todven...@suomi24.fi ---
Setting back to NEW.

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Urmas davian...@gmail.com changed:

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--- Comment #6 from Urmas davian...@gmail.com ---
I will repeat the question. Are fonts like Iskoola Pota display fine on your
system?

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--- Comment #4 from Urmas davian...@gmail.com ---
Do normal Sinhala fonts render OK on your system?

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--- Comment #5 from JC Ahangama j...@ahangama.com ---
Normal Sinhala?

This is by far nearest to normal Singhala. Some more ligatures are needed.
(Modern Singhala is called Mishra Singhala. It mixes in Sanskrit into
Singhala).

It is romanized Singhala, somewhat like Icelandic, displayed using a smart font
containing substitution tables that implement Singhala and Sanskrit
orthography. This is what comes closest to the way Singhala has been written
for a long time. I use Rev. Fr. Theodore G. Perera's grammar book in
constructing the orthography.
(https://openlibrary.org/books/OL21020M/Sim%CC%A3hala_bha%CC%84s%CC%A3a%CC%84va).
That book has been out of print since 1950s. Most Buddhist temples have it.

There is a deviation between written Singhala and printed Singhala because of
limitations in the printing industry and the typewriter. Unicode Sinhala
completely ignores the grammar and is damaging common understanding of the
writing tradition. (The writing system is part of the grammar).

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--- Comment #1 from Adolfo Jayme f...@libreoffice.org ---
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Screenshot under Windows 8.1

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Adolfo Jayme f...@libreoffice.org changed:

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 Status|UNCONFIRMED |NEW
 Ever confirmed|0   |1

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--- Comment #3 from JC Ahangama j...@ahangama.com ---
Thank you Jayme.

My Puppy Linux (branched[?]from Slackware) and your Ubuntu makes the ligatures
perfectly. So, my suspicion that increasingly applications depend on the OS to
render fonts looks to be true. Gnumeric (a gnome project) has this identical
problem.

Windows Notepad uses Uniscribe (USP10.DLL). OpenType was gradually implemented
inside Uniscribe and tested on Notepad. It could be that Writer is using
Uniscribe but makes wrong calls when justifying lines. Notice that the
ligatures actually get constructed but spacing is incorrect. Internet Explorer
8 had this same problem and Google Chrome too to a lesser degree.

Samagana font has 2500 ligatures and constructs ligatures up to 3 levels
(iterates constructing ligatures upon ligatures) needed for Sanskrit
orthography, but has no problem inside Windows Notepad, all browsers, Macintosh
and smart phones.

I have tried since 2004 to get MS to fix Word. In 2004 they said they won't do
it as a business decision. Next two fonts I want to make are for Devanagari and
Fraktur. We should preserve human history when we can. OpenFont is the perfect
vehicle to liberate Indian languages and cultures along with them.

JC

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