[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 84350] Creation of a shapes drop down group button

2017-06-27 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=84350

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 84350] Creation of a shapes drop down group button

2017-06-27 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 84350] Creation of a shapes drop down group button

2016-10-23 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=84350

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 84350] Creation of a shapes drop down group button

2016-08-08 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=84350

Yousuf (Jay) Philips  changed:

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   Keywords||needsDevEval, topicUI
 CC|libreoffice-ux-advise@lists |gulsah.1...@gmail.com,
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  Component|ux-advise   |UI
 Blocks||86899

--- Comment #19 from Yousuf (Jay) Philips  ---
So we need 3 new uno commands for this enhancement.

1) Lines split button (.uno:LinesToolbox) - a duplicate of .uno:ArrowsToolbox
with .uno:Line as the main button and 5 entries per row with .uno:Line and
.uno:Line_Diagonal taking up slots A1 and A2 respectively.

2) Lines group button (.uno:LinesGroup) - opens a menu with .uno:LinesToolbox,
.uno:ArrowsToolbox and .uno:ConnectorToolbox.

3) Shapes group button (.uno:ShapesGroup) - opens a menu with .uno:BasicShapes,
.uno:ArrowShapes, .uno:SymbolShapes, .uno:StarShapes, .uno:CalloutShapes and
.uno:FlowChartShapes, similar to how Insert > Shapes looks.


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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 84350] Creation of a shapes drop down group button

2014-12-23 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Robinson Tryon (qubit) qu...@runcibility.com changed:

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 Status|UNCONFIRMED |NEW
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--- Comment #18 from Robinson Tryon (qubit) qu...@runcibility.com ---
Component is ux-advise, so setting Status - NEW.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 84350] Creation of a shapes drop down group button

2014-12-23 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 84350] Creation of a shapes drop down group button

2014-10-05 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=84350

--- Comment #17 from Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com ---
(In reply to Owen Genat from comment #16)
  Can you elaborate on this.
 
 This was a general reference to the design plan for toolbars vs sidebar.
 Rather than elaborate here, I will do so in the Design forum as that would
 seem more appropriate. I have made a start in these two locations:
 
 https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/boards/1/topics/218
 https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/boards/1/topics/217?r=219#message-219

Well as this bug report is discussing toolbar and their buttons, i dont see the
argument in bringing up the sidebar.

  One of the primary goals of the single group button is to provide quick
  access to being able to add a single shape. 
 
 We are talking different forms of quick access (latency) trade-off here. I
 will just summarise here both our points. The advantage of having a single
 always-displayed toolbar with group item, is that the initial click is low
 latency, but hunting for a specific item remains high(er) latency. By
 comparison the current toolbar has high initial latency (getting it
 displayed) and then low(er) latency while in use, as more recently used
 items are on display at once. Thus for inserting a single shape, the group
 button is more advantageous, but for constructing a drawing, a dedicated
 toolbar is often more advantageous. We seem to be in agreement about this
 and in honesty I do not hold a strong opinion, particular with respect to
 this toolbar in Writer, but I wanted to make these points clear.

Yes we do agree on these points. Both have their advantages, so i'd like to
create the one that is presently not available.

  I doubt there is a need to dedicate an entire sidebar pane to inserting
  drawing objects and this enhancement is focused on toolbar users how wont be
  using the sidebar.
 
 I guess this depends, as I indicated above on the ultimate design strategy
 with respect to the toolbars and sidebar.

Look forward to hearing this design strategy, as i consider the toolbar-only UI
and toolbar + sidebar UI to be separate modes a user should be able to choose
from.

https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/boards/1/topics/69?r=118#message-118
https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/boards/1/topics/163

  Can you elaborate on this.
 
 I meant that View  Toolbar  Drawing could be amended to expose a new
 Drawing deck in the sidebar (as Format  Styles and Formatting now will, as
 per bug 73151). Of course this is speculative, and it may be View  Toolbar
  Drawing will merely hide/reveal a launched toolbar, should this type of
 behaviour be pursued. Again, this is really a discussion better suited to
 the Design forum.

If you'd like to propose a drawing deck in the sidebar, i look forward to its
discussion and mockups.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 84350] Creation of a shapes drop down group button

2014-10-04 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=84350

--- Comment #16 from Owen Genat owen.ge...@gmail.com ---
(In reply to Jay Philips from comment #12)
 (In reply to comment #8)
  Jay I think the problem you are going to have with this enhancement is that
  it will depend on changing a few other UX aspects.
 
 Can you elaborate on this.

This was a general reference to the design plan for toolbars vs sidebar. Rather
than elaborate here, I will do so in the Design forum as that would seem more
appropriate. I have made a start in these two locations:

https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/boards/1/topics/218
https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/boards/1/topics/217?r=219#message-219

 One of the primary goals of the single group button is to provide quick
 access to being able to add a single shape. 

We are talking different forms of quick access (latency) trade-off here. I will
just summarise here both our points. The advantage of having a single
always-displayed toolbar with group item, is that the initial click is low
latency, but hunting for a specific item remains high(er) latency. By
comparison the current toolbar has high initial latency (getting it displayed)
and then low(er) latency while in use, as more recently used items are on
display at once. Thus for inserting a single shape, the group button is more
advantageous, but for constructing a drawing, a dedicated toolbar is often more
advantageous. We seem to be in agreement about this and in honesty I do not
hold a strong opinion, particular with respect to this toolbar in Writer, but I
wanted to make these points clear.

 I doubt there is a need to dedicate an entire sidebar pane to inserting
 drawing objects and this enhancement is focused on toolbar users how wont be
 using the sidebar.

I guess this depends, as I indicated above on the ultimate design strategy with
respect to the toolbars and sidebar.

  This is similar to the recent change with regard to the Styles and 
  Formatting
  toolbar.
 
 Can you elaborate on this.

I meant that View  Toolbar  Drawing could be amended to expose a new Drawing
deck in the sidebar (as Format  Styles and Formatting now will, as per bug
73151). Of course this is speculative, and it may be View  Toolbar  Drawing
will merely hide/reveal a launched toolbar, should this type of behaviour be
pursued. Again, this is really a discussion better suited to the Design forum.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 84350] Creation of a shapes drop down group button

2014-09-30 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=84350

--- Comment #8 from Owen Genat owen.ge...@gmail.com ---
Jay I think the problem you are going to have with this enhancement is that it
will depend on changing a few other UX aspects. Of all the large
drop-down-style examples, only that of Word 2013 offers the same level of
convenience to what the Drawing toolbar in LO currently offers. I would
certainly not want to draw anything elaborate or large with a single-group
drop-down as the amount of clicking would be excessive.

For example, by default, the Basic Shape group displays the Diamond, however I
can select Hexagon, which changes the displayed shape for that group. I can
then draw multiple hexagons fairly quickly and easily, via a series of
single-click selections. I can simultaneously do the same for any group, thus
having the desired Block Arrow, Callout, Flowchart, or object from another
group, should I choose to expose these.

With the Word 2013 arrangement each selected shape is moved to the Recent Used
Shapes area at the head of the drop-down (or bottom of pop-up if the toolbar
appears at the screen bottom). That is pseudo-convenient as it still requires
hunting for the required icon each and every time.

(In reply to comment #5)
 If you really want to show them all at once, why not extend the already 
 existing pane in the sidebar?

I can see how the proposed enhancement reduces the need for an entire dedicated
Drawing toolbar. However I tend to agree with this comment by Regina that the
effort would be better spent creating a new pane in the sidebar and then
changing View  Toolbar  Drawing to expose this pane. This is similar to the
recent change with regard to the Styles and Formatting toolbar.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 84350] Creation of a shapes drop down group button

2014-09-30 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #9 from Jean-Francois Nifenecker 
jean-francois.nifenec...@laposte.net ---
(In reply to comment #8)

 I tend to agree with this comment by Regina that the effort would be better 
 spent creating a new pane in the sidebar and then changing View  Toolbar  
 Drawing to expose this pane. This is similar to the recent change with regard 
 to the Styles and Formatting toolbar.

Note that, when using Draw extensively, one needs all three toolbars at once:
the drawing toolbar, the Navigator toolbar and the Stylist toolbar. To me, the
idea of mixing several of these within the Sidebar, typically, the Stylist and
the Drawing toobars -- as it seems a given that the Navigator will remain
stand-alone -- would interfere with this workflow.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 84350] Creation of a shapes drop down group button

2014-09-30 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #10 from Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com ---
Created attachment 107131
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IBM Symphony basic shapes group drop down

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 84350] Creation of a shapes drop down group button

2014-09-30 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #11 from Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com ---
Created attachment 107132
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shapes group button in wps writer

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 84350] Creation of a shapes drop down group button

2014-09-30 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #12 from Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com ---
Hi Owen,

(In reply to comment #8)
 Jay I think the problem you are going to have with this enhancement is that
 it will depend on changing a few other UX aspects.

Can you elaborate on this.

 Of all the large
 drop-down-style examples, only that of Word 2013 offers the same level of
 convenience to what the Drawing toolbar in LO currently offers. I would
 certainly not want to draw anything elaborate or large with a single-group
 drop-down as the amount of clicking would be excessive.

One of the primary goals of the single group button is to provide quick access
to being able to add a single shape. If we see the current process of how we do
this in LibO, you will see where the problem is. So as an example, lets see the
process to add a pentagon.

1) move the mouse to the toolbar and click the draw toolbar button, else click
on menu bar - View  Toolbars  Drawing.

2) move the mouse to the bottom of the screen and click on the 'Basic Shapes'
drop down.

3) look through the list and click on the pentagon button.

4) draw the pentagon on the screen.

5) move the mouse to the top of the screen and click the draw toolbar button to
hide it.

And here are the steps with the group drop down.

1) move the mouse to the toolbar and click the group drop down.

2) look through the list and click on the pentagon button (ms word and ibm
symphony style) or move the mouse to the shapes category and then look through
the list and click the pentagon (google docs style)

3) draw the pentagon on the screen.

 For example, by default, the Basic Shape group displays the Diamond, however
 I can select Hexagon, which changes the displayed shape for that group. I
 can then draw multiple hexagons fairly quickly and easily, via a series of
 single-click selections. I can simultaneously do the same for any group,
 thus having the desired Block Arrow, Callout, Flowchart, or object from
 another group, should I choose to expose these.

Yes this would be an advantage of using the toolbar, when you need to work with
a number of different types of objects as you have multiple object groups. IBM
Symphony chose to have 2 group drop downs - one for basic and arrow shapes and
a second for flow charts, callouts, stars, and symbol shapes.

 With the Word 2013 arrangement each selected shape is moved to the Recent
 Used Shapes area at the head of the drop-down (or bottom of pop-up if the
 toolbar appears at the screen bottom). That is pseudo-convenient as it still
 requires hunting for the required icon each and every time.

The single group drop down would never be as extensive or as powerful as the
drawing toolbar, but it has advantages over the drawing toolbar when it comes
to easier access for single operations, as mentioned above.

The recent used shapes area found in Word 2013 could easily be molded into the
Google Docs styled list by adding an additional category called 'Recently
Used'.

 I can see how the proposed enhancement reduces the need for an entire
 dedicated Drawing toolbar. However I tend to agree with this comment by
 Regina that the effort would be better spent creating a new pane in the
 sidebar and then changing View  Toolbar  Drawing to expose this pane.

I doubt there is a need to dedicate an entire sidebar pane to inserting drawing
objects and this enhancement is focused on toolbar users how wont be using the
sidebar.

 This is similar to the recent change with regard to the Styles and Formatting
 toolbar.

Can you elaborate on this.

--

There is a means of bringing all the functionality of the drawing toolbar into
a single toolbar button. You can see this illustrated with the insert button
found in the tools toolbar. It basically expands the entire insert toolbar when
you click on the drop down part. The only disadvantage to this is that
everything would need an extra click.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 84350] Creation of a shapes drop down group button

2014-09-30 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #13 from Regina Henschel rb.hensc...@t-online.de ---
Created attachment 107137
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Picture of the predefined shapes in LibreOffice

And these are the predefined shapes in LibreOffice. Only to be sure, that we
speak about the same shapes.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 84350] Creation of a shapes drop down group button

2014-09-30 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #14 from Jean-Francois Nifenecker 
jean-francois.nifenec...@laposte.net ---
What is important (to me) is the ability to detach the individual shape panels
for a quick access when is drawing phase.
Would the new proposal allow for that? Is yes, a smaller amount of panels would
imply bigger ones, which migh be a nuisance.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 84350] Creation of a shapes drop down group button

2014-09-30 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #15 from Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com ---
(In reply to comment #13)
 And these are the predefined shapes in LibreOffice. Only to be sure, that we
 speak about the same shapes.

Well i was primarily focused on the shapes - basic shapes, symbol shapes, block
arrows, flowchart, callouts, star  banners, 3d-objects, rectangles, circles 
ovals. I believe that textbox objects (Text) and lines (Lines, Arrows,
Connectors) should have their own separate group buttons, similar to how it IBM
Symphony and Google Docs. I would ultimately like to add these three group
buttons to writer's standard toolbar, and this bug report was focused on the
largest of the three and would layout the ground work to easily achieve the
other two.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 84350] Creation of a shapes drop down group button

2014-09-29 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #7 from Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com ---
Created attachment 107096
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Google Docs Shape Drop Down

I think Google Docs' way of having it as a group drop down button with
categories which open submenus with the icons in it is the most ideal way to
show it, if it can be achievable.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 84350] Creation of a shapes drop down group button

2014-09-26 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Regina Henschel rb.hensc...@t-online.de changed:

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--- Comment #5 from Regina Henschel rb.hensc...@t-online.de ---
I'm happy with the current Drawing toolbar. I only dislike, that in Writer and
Calc not all shapes can be added to this toolbar.

There exists about 160 predefined shapes. For me it would be no improvement to
put them into one pane in a drop-down menu. In addition, you will loose the
ability to let a sub-toolbar flow. If you really want to show them all at once,
why not extend the already existing pane in the sidebar?

When you compare Draw with other applications, you should compare it with other
vector graphic processor applications, having such an amount of predefined
shapes.

The drawing toolbar does not only contain shapes but a lot of tools for
manipulating the shapes. If you remove the shapes, the need for the drawing
toolbar remains.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 84350] Creation of a shapes drop down group button

2014-09-26 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=84350

--- Comment #6 from Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com ---
(In reply to comment #5)
 I'm happy with the current Drawing toolbar. I only dislike, that in Writer
 and Calc not all shapes can be added to this toolbar.

Some may prefer the Drawing toolbar as it is, so maybe its best to leave the
toolbar as is, but that doesnt negate the benefit of having a single shape
group button for users who prefer it. Yes while i was writing the description,
i did notice that 2 button (line ending in arrow, connector drop down) were
missing in writer.

 There exists about 160 predefined shapes. For me it would be no improvement
 to put them into one pane in a drop-down menu. In addition, you will loose
 the ability to let a sub-toolbar flow. If you really want to show them all
 at once, why not extend the already existing pane in the sidebar?

Another of the benefits of the single drop down, is that users with smaller
screen sizes wont need to have the drawing toolbar open and taking up space.
Didnt quite get what 'let a sub-toolbar flow' meant. It might be good to also
propose a drawing sidebar pane, but this bug relates to the toolbars.

 When you compare Draw with other applications, you should compare it with
 other vector graphic processor applications, having such an amount of
 predefined shapes.

This bug was primarily targetting Writer, as all the comparisons images were
taken from alternative word processor applications.

 The drawing toolbar does not only contain shapes but a lot of tools for
 manipulating the shapes. If you remove the shapes, the need for the drawing
 toolbar remains.

If we take the largest drawing toolbar which is available in Draw, it contains
13 shape buttons, 2 textbox buttons, 2 point related buttons which open up
their own toolbars, 2 image related buttons (insert image and image gallery),
and 2 other buttons (fontwork gallery, extrusion on/off). So there is a total
of 21 buttons with more than half of them (62%) related to shapes, including
the 2 image buttons that are redundant (insert image is in the standard toolbar
and image gallery is in the already visible sidebar).
The drawing toolbar has 13

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 84350] Creation of a shapes drop down group button

2014-09-25 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com changed:

   What|Removed |Added

   Severity|normal  |enhancement

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 84350] Creation of a shapes drop down group button

2014-09-25 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #1 from Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com ---
Created attachment 106894
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shapes group button in iwork pages

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Created attachment 106895
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shapes group button in wordperfect

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--- Comment #3 from Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com ---
Created attachment 106896
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drop downs of the 3 shapes group buttons in ibm symphony

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 84350] Creation of a shapes drop down group button

2014-09-25 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=84350

--- Comment #4 from Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com ---
Created attachment 106897
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what the libreoffice implemention could look like

I believe the insert slide button in impress has the necessary code to begin
the creation of a single drop down. The attached file shows how the button
implementation used to look in older versions of impress.

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