[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 86303] STATUSBAR: Easy access to change to read only mode

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Yousuf Philips (jay)  changed:

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--- Comment #16 from Yousuf Philips (jay)  ---
Like other statusbar entries, not all users will want to have this in their
statusbar, so hopefully they will be able to remove it if they dont like (bug
113828).


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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=86899
[Bug 86899] [META] Requests for the addition of UNO commands
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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 86303] STATUSBAR: Easy access to change to read only mode

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--- Comment #15 from Heiko Tietze  ---
The design team discussed the proposal and supports the idea. The additional
status bar entry should toggle the read/write mode, ideally not per single or
double click but via context menu to avoid unintentional activation, and
clearly show the document status.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 86303] STATUSBAR: Easy access to change to read only mode

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--- Comment #14 from cson...@halmai.hu ---
Some popular text/code editors like UltraEdit or PhpStorm, they also have a
read-only _button_ in the status bar. I assume several other similar software
also have one so it is quite obvious to have it there.

LO has a little red floppy-disk-like button in the status bar indicating that
the document is not saved. I cannot see any benefit of that button because the
disabled/enabled shade of the Save icon in the toolbar shows the same
information. Even if the toolbar is turned off, an asterisk after the filename
(Untitled *) could tell the same, which has been there in many applications
since windows 3.1. (Not even mentioning that the double-click action on the
button is quite unusual.)

I think a Read-only toggler would be much more beneficial than this Unsaved
button.  

Anyway, in the long run, it would be the best if the user could configure what
parts of the Status Bar they would like to see. If it is too congested then
they can hide some buttons. 

So, in a long run this button wouldn't harm, I think, and it could improve the
productivity of some. 

One more thought: the users, who really do need this button, they must be power
users. Making _them_ more productive is something that would help a lot in
popularising LO.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 86303] STATUSBAR: Easy access to change to read only mode

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--- Comment #13 from Yousuf Philips (jay)  ---
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #12)
> You had an info icon only in mind without any interaction?

No i had a toggle icon button in mind.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 86303] STATUSBAR: Easy access to change to read only mode

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--- Comment #12 from Heiko Tietze  ---
(In reply to Yousuf Philips (jay) from comment #11)
> Not sure how a toggle icon button in the statusbar is considered...

You had an info icon only in mind without any interaction? That's better, and
in particular as an option acc. bug 113828.

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--- Comment #11 from Yousuf Philips (jay)  ---
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #10)
> Switching between edit mode on and off is not a function that needs to get
> exposed prominently.

An icon in the statusbar is not a prominent exposing of the feature. It used to
have a prominent place in the toolbar until i removed it in 4.4. 

> It's rarely used and actually I don't see the use case
> at all. But it definitely doesn't need to clutter the status bar just
> because there is space left. => WONTFIX

The users who regularly used it in the toolbar (i remember some LO dev
mentioned they did) would likely disagree on how rarely it is used. Not sure
how a toggle icon button in the statusbar is considered, when users want to add
capslock status in the statusbar (bug 88296).

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--- Comment #10 from Heiko Tietze  ---
Switching between edit mode on and off is not a function that needs to get
exposed prominently. It's rarely used and actually I don't see the use case at
all. But it definitely doesn't need to clutter the status bar just because
there is space left. => WONTFIX

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--- Comment #7 from Cor Nouws  ---
just a note: saw an issue recently on the notification not being reachable by
tab.

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Yousuf (Jay) Philips  changed:

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--- Comment #8 from Yousuf (Jay) Philips  ---
(In reply to Jan Holesovsky from comment #6)
> Jay: Please is this bug still valid when we have the info bar with a button
> to make the document editable an easy way?

Yes it is still valid as the info bar isnt related to switching a document from
edit mode to read mode.

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Jan Holesovsky  changed:

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--- Comment #6 from Jan Holesovsky  ---
Jay: Please is this bug still valid when we have the info bar with a button to
make the document editable an easy way?

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Cor Nouws c...@nouenoff.nl changed:

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--- Comment #2 from Cor Nouws c...@nouenoff.nl ---
@jay: hmm, wasn't this a button that is removed because it was not needed that
much? Then now add it somewhere else?
This confuses me.

@Adolfo: I don't agree. The menu lets you use it fast with the key board short
cuts. The status bar would ask for the use of the mouse.

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--- Comment #3 from Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com ---
(In reply to Cor Nouws from comment #2)
 @jay: hmm, wasn't this a button that is removed because it was not needed
 that much? Then now add it somewhere else?
 This confuses me.

Yes its not used enough to have it in the toolbars, especially when the
toolbars should consist of frequently used features. But it is still useful to
have it easy accessible in the interface without opening the menu, and we do
have a section in the statusbar for ways to view the document. It is also in MS
Word's statusbar. ;D

 @Adolfo: I don't agree. The menu lets you use it fast with the key board
 short cuts. The status bar would ask for the use of the mouse.

Yes it is useful to have it accessible in more than just one location (not
everyone will notice the statusbar button, especially keyboard users) and for
it to have a shortcut associated to it.

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Adolfo Jayme f...@libreoffice.org changed:

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--- Comment #4 from Adolfo Jayme f...@libreoffice.org ---
(In reply to Cor Nouws from comment #2)
 @Adolfo: I don't agree. The menu lets you use it fast with the key board
 short cuts. The status bar would ask for the use of the mouse.

Why do you think that a status bar icon can not have a keyboard shortcut? If
it’s a technical reason, that can be solved.

(In reply to Jay Philips from comment #3)
 It is also in MS Word's statusbar. ;D

That’s not a good rationale by itself.

 Yes it is useful to have it accessible in more than just one location (not
 everyone will notice the statusbar button, especially keyboard users)

If you think that not everyone is going to notice the status bar button, then
why add it in the first place? I think you’re contradicting yourself.

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Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com changed:

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--- Comment #5 from Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com ---
(In reply to Adolfo Jayme from comment #4)
 (In reply to Jay Philips from comment #3)
  It is also in MS Word's statusbar. ;D
 
 That’s not a good rationale by itself.

Its an added bonus to know that other competing office suites have done
something similar.

  Yes it is useful to have it accessible in more than just one location (not
  everyone will notice the statusbar button, especially keyboard users)
 
 If you think that not everyone is going to notice the status bar button,
 then why add it in the first place? I think you’re contradicting yourself.

I'm not contradicting myself. I am stating the obvious, that not everyone will
notice it, just like not everyone noticed the 'Edit File' button in the
toolbar. I may have incorrectly wrote that keyboard users wouldnt notice it,
but what i meant was keyboard users wouldnt care that its in the statusbar,
just like they wouldnt care that its in the Edit menu, as they will use the
shortcut key anyway.

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Adolfo Jayme f...@libreoffice.org changed:

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--- Comment #1 from Adolfo Jayme f...@libreoffice.org ---
Agreed. This way, the “Edit Mode” command can be removed from the Edit menu,
which is too long already.

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