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--- Comment #13 from V Stuart Foote vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu ---
(In reply to Jay Philips from comment #12)
 Created attachment 114210 [details]
 onlyoffice color palette
 
 stumbled on this today. :D

Details? Is it a .soc that you're proposing to add? Can you attach it, or
you've only just a screen clip?

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--- Comment #12 from Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com ---
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onlyoffice color palette

stumbled on this today. :D

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--- Comment #14 from Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com ---
(In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #13)
 Details? Is it a .soc that you're proposing to add? Can you attach it, or
 you've only just a screen clip?

Saw it while i was watching this youtube video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZCzXZKWfzwt=22

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--- Comment #11 from Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com ---
Came across a tweet today of someone doing a color palette based on google's
material design colors. https://twitter.com/boky8/status/553123925497225216

I've created a #libreoffice color palette that does not suck, based on
#materialdesign. Get it here: https://imgur.com/gb96Uoa

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--- Comment #8 from Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com ---
(In reply to Owen Genat from comment #6)
 - We should not be limiting users from creating custom palettes with greater
 than 8 rows or a set number of swatches. The user mailing list has some
 threads with very large palette file attchments containing many hundreds of
 swatches. I am not a fan of these SOCs but people do create and use them.
 For example, it would be unlikely that the Inkscape palette would fit within
 8 rows.

There hasnt been any discussion in this bug report about limiting the number of
rows to 8 for custom palettes. We were discussing what the default palette
should be and ideally how many rows it should occupy.

 - A scrollbar should appear for palettes with a greater numbers of rows than
 can be displayed. If anything the color picker dialog should resize, as
 possible, to display the largest number of rows / swatches.

The scrollbar does appear when there are more than 10 rows in a palette, so
there isnt a need for the dialog to resize to accommodate more rows. The dialog
currently takes up 360 pixels, which is 40% of my screen height, and each color
row takes up 18 pixels. Available palettes that are more than 10 rows are
web.soc (20 rows), scribus.soc (46 rows), cmyk.soc (18 rows), html.soc (11
rows), and standard.soc (14 rows).

 - Palette swatches in the current standard.soc affect legacy documents.
 There would at least need to be a separate palette created to include the
 excluded swatches. This could easily become messy.

We discussed this issue in the weekly design meeting a few weeks back and it
will not negatively effect legacy documents, as the colors are stored in the
documents as their rgb values, but yes we should duplicate the current
standard.soc as a new palette file if we change the default palette.

 - Given the format of the XML entries it is both more logical and easier IMO
 to create palettes on a hue-per-row than hue-per-column basis. I explain the
 reasons for this in bug 80196. It certainly makes it easier to have a block
 of entries named 10% Magenta, 20% Magenta, rather than have such entries
 broken up one to a block.

The XML format simply provides the details of the palette colors, but not the
manner in which it should be displayed. Most color palettes have gradients
going top to bottom or bottom to top and i feel that is best to stick with this
norm. Even LO's color picker dialog shows it in this manner when hue,
saturation or brightness are selected.

 - Unless the colour picker layout reaches some sort of stability (so far
 there is no sign of this occurring) the number of rows displayed and the
 creation of SOC files to suit a given layout will remain problematic.

I think SOC files should define the number of columns per row, so that color
palettes which were designed with a specific number of entries per row that
isnt 12 (e.g. 10 or 16) can be shown as they were designed.

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--- Comment #9 from V Stuart Foote vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu ---
(In reply to Jay Philips from comment #8)
 (In reply to Owen Genat from comment #6)
  - Unless the colour picker layout reaches some sort of stability (so far
  there is no sign of this occurring) the number of rows displayed and the
  creation of SOC files to suit a given layout will remain problematic.
 
 I think SOC files should define the number of columns per row, so that color
 palettes which were designed with a specific number of entries per row that
 isnt 12 (e.g. 10 or 16) can be shown as they were designed.

Actually that would be a very valid UI change for the ColorPicker. 

In https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=80196#c19 Owen had to rotate
the pallet because that scheme would require 13 columns rather than the 12 he
had to work with in demonstrating Wade's proposal. 8-10-12-13-16 columns all
might result in appealing pallets to work with.

Q: Can the Widget for the ColorPiker be made dynamic to respond to the .SOC? 

Q: Failing that, could we agree change the ColorPicker column count to match
what ever best fits our new standard.soc?

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--- Comment #10 from Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com ---
(In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #9)
 Actually that would be a very valid UI change for the ColorPicker. 
 
 In https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=80196#c19 Owen had to rotate
 the pallet because that scheme would require 13 columns rather than the 12
 he had to work with in demonstrating Wade's proposal. 8-10-12-13-16 columns
 all might result in appealing pallets to work with.

When i looked at Wade's proposal, my first instinct was to have white to black
as the first row of the palette and then have the colored ones going columns
wise, as that is similar to how our current palette is now and white to black
is not a color blend which could fit next to the other color range column wise.

 Q: Can the Widget for the ColorPiker be made dynamic to respond to the .SOC? 

You would likely have to ask a dev familiar with the code to know this, but i
dont think the drop down width changing multiple times when you go from palette
to palette would be a good thing. What i think would work is that size of the
palette color boxes change depending on the the number of columns per row. If
we can set width of the palette color area to 230 pixels, we can accommodate 16
columns at 10x10, 12 columns at 14x14, and 10 columns 18x18 (these numbers are
excluding the 2 pixels padding on the left and right of each color palette
box).

 Q: Failing that, could we agree change the ColorPicker column count to match
 what ever best fits our new standard.soc?

Yes it should primarily accommodate whatever is our default color palette
optimally, as other palettes are secondary, though i believe that a 12 column
palette will cover all the bases we need and we will have 3 other 12 column
palettes also in the palette list (web.soc, cymk.soc, and the current
standard.soc).

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--- Comment #4 from V Stuart Foote vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu ---
@Jay, *,

I'm not opposed to this. But if the color picker at 12 columns but showing just
10 rows is a problem, it might be a better option to expand number or rows, or
even columns shown.

Q: what would be the best layout of the color picker to accommodate a new
standard.soc pallet? 

And, regards the standard.soc pallet, two issues with that:

1.) kind of feel like we are obliged to support our LibreOffice branding,
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding#Color_Table most of
which are in our standard.soc table now.  Reworking as you suggest probably
would require that we move this entire branding color chart into its own
pallet--an addition to your bug 87541 suggestion. Leaving us free to reduce and
adjust the standard.soc;

2.)  Wade Peterson's did some very compelling work for a device neutral color
pallet, in bug 80196 -- it could/should occupy the lower rows of the standard
pallet.

@Wade, @Owen opinions please...

Stuart

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--- Comment #5 from Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com ---
(In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #4)
 I'm not opposed to this. But if the color picker at 12 columns but showing
 just 10 rows is a problem, it might be a better option to expand number or
 rows, or even columns shown.

Expanding the number of rows doesnt solve the primary problem with the color
palette, which is that there are two many colors in it. Most users need a small
range of colors to choose from and now that we have the color picker dialog
available in the drop down, those that want to choose an exact color now have
easy access to doing so.

 Q: what would be the best layout of the color picker to accommodate a new
 standard.soc pallet?

I believe the current layout of 12 columns is fine, as all three of the
suggestions fit it.

 1.) kind of feel like we are obliged to support our LibreOffice branding,
 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding#Color_Table most of
 which are in our standard.soc table now.  Reworking as you suggest probably
 would require that we move this entire branding color chart into its own
 pallet--an addition to your bug 87541 suggestion. Leaving us free to reduce
 and adjust the standard.soc;

We have a libreoffice.soc and i would have assumed it does cover any colors
related to the branding.

 2.)  Wade Peterson's did some very compelling work for a device neutral
 color pallet, in bug 80196 -- it could/should occupy the lower rows of the
 standard pallet.

Seems interesting and it would be great for Wade to fill in the upper rows so
it could be put into an .soc file so it could be tried.

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--- Comment #6 from Owen Genat owen.ge...@gmail.com ---
I tend to agree with Stuart. These are the problems I see:

- We should not be limiting users from creating custom palettes with greater
than 8 rows or a set number of swatches. The user mailing list has some threads
with very large palette file attchments containing many hundreds of swatches. I
am not a fan of these SOCs but people do create and use them. For example, it
would be unlikely that the Inkscape palette would fit within 8 rows.

- A scrollbar should appear for palettes with a greater numbers of rows than
can be displayed. If anything the color picker dialog should resize, as
possible, to display the largest number of rows / swatches.

- Palette swatches in the current standard.soc affect legacy documents. There
would at least need to

- Given the format of the XML entries it is both more logical and easier IMO to
create palettes on a hue-per-row than hue-per-column basis. I explain the
reasons for this in bug 80196. It certainly makes it easier to have a block of
entries named 10% Magenta, 20% Magenta, rather than have such entries
broken up one to a block.

- Unless the colour picker layout reaches some sort of stability (so far there
is no sign of this occurring) the number of rows displayed and the creation of
SOC files to suit a given layout will remain problematic.

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--- Comment #7 from Owen Genat owen.ge...@gmail.com ---
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 - Palette swatches in the current standard.soc affect legacy documents.
 There would at least need to

... be a separate palette created to include the excluded swatches. This could
easily become messy.

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--- Comment #1 from Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com ---
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color palettes used in other office suites

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--- Comment #2 from Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com ---
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RGB color palette

An alternative is to convert the attached palette into a suitable sized palette
that suits our purposes. Likely 12x8.

Palette taken from 
http://websafecolorcodes.com/colors-palette/color-wheel-palette/ 

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--- Comment #3 from Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com ---
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Color wheel base

Another alternative is to simply use the attached color palette along with a
white to black gradient row.

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