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--- Comment #29 from David  ---
Combining multiple families of styles into one panel view is a terrible idea.
If a document has a large number of styles, how would scrolling through them in
a much smaller frame be more helpful?

A modal window having to be brought up every time I want to change a style
would also be a real pain. 

The better option IMO is to use a customizable styles toolbar for the most
frequently used styles.

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--- Comment #28 from Eyal Rozenberg  ---
Catching up on the discussion here...

Non-replay comments
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* I think this "super-bug" is getting too big. I realize that a lot of specific
suggestions may clash or supplement each other, but right now the bug seems
like too much of a kitchen-sink/latent meta-bug.

* Please have a look at my (not-quite-dupe) bug 141483: "Convert style filter
menu into several orthogonal filters". And, specifically, about my additional
suggestion there to have the style category selection buttons to be
independent, so that one can view, for example, character and paragraph styles
together, or separately.

Re Tomaz' comments 0, 2, 14:
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* It's not that the sidebar is "too complex": Complexity is inherent in the
style (sub)system; but the style bar is sub-optimal in mediating that
complexity, or facilitating it.

* Context-awareness of styles may have some merits but also detriments:
Instability / lower predictability of the style sidebar.

* I disagree on principle that styles should be found within properties dialogs
(Character, Paragraph etc.). Styles should be first-class citizens.  ...
unless... we were willing to consider "forcing" styles onto people by strongly
embedding styles into the properties dialogs, so that you are always either
editing an existing style or creating a new style, and never just formatting 
directly.

* As the suggestion of a separate modal dialog for managing all styles - I
don't see what's so great about that. Can one of the proponents make a pitch in
favor of it?

* About encouraging the use of styles: I agree with Yousuf that the style bar
is not the main venue of encouraging use of styles.. Actually, I don't think
such encouragement will be meaningful before we _stop_ actively encouraging
direct formatting, which is something we currently do.

* Regarding drag-and-drop to move styles: We could disable it by default, and
perhaps allow it optionally.

* I don't agree that advanced users assign shortcut keys to styles. Why?
Because different docs have different styles, so it's not easy to remember
shuch shortcut keys. Also, many people tend to accept, rather than define
themselves, shortcut key combinations.


Re Yousuf's comments 1, 8, 12:
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* It is not at all clear that listing paragraph and character styles together
is simpler: A novice user could confuse them. This is particularly an issue
when many styles are visible, so you'd get over two screenfuls of styles if you
put Paragraph & Character styles together. 

  However, that's a bit of a moot point, because if we made the chosen style
category a multi-selection rather than single-selection, users could decide
which styles they want to see.

* Another idea is a pair of half-height lists for Char and Par styles, like in
one of the mockups. However: 1. This doesn't work well for shorter screens. 2.
If we allow that, we should let the users decide which categories of styles go
in which half of the bar. The UI for this choice could be out of sight, to not
overburden novice users, but should exist somewhere.

* I also like the suggestion that, initially, Recommended styles should be the
ones suggested. But recommendations should be more specific and contextual.
Should probably open another bug about that.

* I'm generally against the style list presented as Previews. I think it's
almost entirely useless, and very distracting. MS Word has some previews on
their ribbons, but not on their style sidebar; I find their previews kind of
useless too. If preview is desirable, an approach to adopt could be a mock
document with not just the one style, but some related styles (e.g. Heading 1,
Heading 2 and Text Body in a tiny sectioned article) - a bit like the preview
in IDE's formatters where you get a tiny formatted example source file.

* About the entries in the menulist of style categories: referred to that bug
141483.

Re Cor's comments 5, 11:
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* While the idea of representing the link between a numbering style and a
paragraph style sounds appealing, it also sounds difficult to implement in a
useful way, since the same numbering style relates to many paragraph styles,
and any UI elements regarding that relation run the risk of cluttering the
style bar terribly...

* I actually like that MS Word shows you director formatting combinations as
pseudo-styles. But it is quite confusing to have everything in one big list;
and it's even more confusing for novices.

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--- Comment #22 from Cor Nouws  ---
(In reply to Tomaz Vajngerl from comment #0)

> For this reason I propose we create a modal dialog where the use can manage
> all the styles (where he can also have more space to do so, instead of space
> limited sidebar).

I like that idea. (And is more or less what comes as a result from a discussion
about the Navigator too)
  https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=89566#c26

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--- Comment #21 from Bastián Díaz  ---
Hello, I want an idea in his analysis for Styles and Formatting sidebar. 
See Bug 94427

Intensively using the Styles and Formatting, it becomes confusing to identify
which style (paragraph/character) is used by the current selection, because
that is indicated by the same method of highlighted selection.
In some cases I have to select another style and return to select a paragraph
to ensure that you use the right style, resulting in lost time.

An easy solution is to add an indicator showing which is the style used for the
current selection. https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=118917

I hope this fits the planned design.

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--- Comment #20 from David genericinet+libreoffice@gmail.com ---
(In reply to Cor Nouws from comment #19)
 But if the idea is (what I hope) that there is an attempt to show a list of
 character styles together with a list of paragraph styles, I expect that to
 be an improvement.

I can see where some might like to have a separate character list and paragraph
list in the same panel as shown in the mockup attachment.  But I would still
ask for the possibility for the option to have it as it is now.  

The mockup proposes to have 2 smaller list boxes in the place where I like to
be able to resize the list box to have more items visible.  I have some
documents where I use a lot of styles, and I like to keep my scrolling to a
minimum.

Then another issue would be that because bug 67230 from almost 2 years ago
still isn't fixed, I must use navigator panel instead of the navigator in the
sidebar.  I keep the navigator panel positioned below the sidebar. If the
sidebar was done like in the mockup, then even more screen real estate would be
taken up by trying to display both lists at the same time.  Fix bug 67230 and I
might not complain quite as much, but I would still like the option to have a
separate character style panel in the sidebar so that I can limit the scrolling
needed. Make another sidebar panel which has both lists in it, if that what is
wanted, but make it as an additional option, not as a replacement.

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--- Comment #19 from Cor Nouws c...@nouenoff.nl ---
(In reply to David from comment #18)
 Combining the paragraph and character styles is the worst idea I have heard
 of.  That would in no way be an improvement.  When you use the number of
 styles that I do it would be a big mess.  Just because MS Office does can't
 do styles properly does not mean LibreOffice has to emulate them.

If I must understand this that MSOffice combines the paragraph styles and
character styles + whatever more in clumsy names to show it as one 'style', I
fully agree with you.
Indeed that is the way that makes it hard to see and understand what is going
on for users, and thus hard to use and learn.

But if the idea is (what I hope) that there is an attempt to show a list of
character styles together with a list of paragraph styles, I expect that to be
an improvement.

 and now way to much scrolling needs to be done to find the style needed.  If
 this is the way it's going to be please add an option for to be able to view
 it the original way.

Sounds as a fair and valid request to me.

 Like I said, I use styles heavily, and I have a number of complex documents
 where I use a lot of them.  Please do not make things harder just because
 you think you need to emulate the terrible Styles design of MS Office.

;) +1

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--- Comment #18 from David genericinet+libreoffice@gmail.com ---
Combining the paragraph and character styles is the worst idea I have heard of.
 That would in no way be an improvement.  When you use the number of styles
that I do it would be a big mess.  Just because MS Office does can't do styles
properly does not mean LibreOffice has to emulate them.

I found this thread because I just re-compiled the master and found that the
Styles and Formatting panel is getting messed with.  I can understand why it
might be nice to have a preview of the styles, but the entries are too large
and now way to much scrolling needs to be done to find the style needed.  If
this is the way it's going to be please add an option for to be able to view it
the original way.

Like I said, I use styles heavily, and I have a number of complex documents
where I use a lot of them.  Please do not make things harder just because you
think you need to emulate the terrible Styles design of MS Office.

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--- Comment #17 from Heiko Tietze heiko.tie...@user-prompt.com ---
Would be a perfect topic for a Friday design session.

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--- Comment #16 from Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com ---
Created attachment 115095
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IBM Symphony styles sidebar tab

Was digging around in IBM Symphony and noticed their styles sidebar tab is
different, so i thought it would be useful to include here. :D

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--- Comment #15 from Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com ---
(In reply to Tomaz Vajngerl from comment #14)
 Yes, this is planned. The advanced users have shortcut keys assigned to
 styles so they don't use Styles  Formatting at all (and the sidebar in
 general).. :)

To my knowledge, style/advanced users live in 'Styles  Formatting' because
though you can set styles using shortcut keys, you cant edit and management
them with it. :D

 I'm aware of that, previously a refresh was not needed, but it is now so I
 just need to find the right place to do a refresh. :)

:D

 I'm aware of that as well, alignment and other text related are planned.
 Anything can be added, it is just a matter of reading the style and
 rendering it. :)

I believe rendering the non-text part of it will also be useful when this is
adopted into Calc. The one place i think alignment features should be ignored
is in hierarchical view. :D

 I'll try to tune this when I have the time.

Thanks. I think this same automatic list would be beneficial to replace what we
currently have in the toolbar style drop down menu as well.

If you ever get into modifying the style entry context menu, there isnt an
'update style' entry in it, though its in the group button in the toolbar.
There isnt also a means to duplicate a style (bug 87711).

By the way, do you happen to know the uno command for 'update style', as i was
hoping to include it in the shape context menu in Impress (bug 89155).

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--- Comment #13 from Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com ---
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mockup

(In reply to Cor Nouws from comment #11)
 But the idea to have a visual presentation that at once shows both the
 paragraph style and the character style, looks good to me. (though I never
 had any trouble with it personally, after I had learned that both exist and
 how they can be applied).

Yes i think its important to see both paragraph styles and character styles
together, so less confusion happens when a user is dealing with text and they
wouldnt need to jump between the paragraph style and character style tabs in
order to see the full picture. So i think we should combine the two text styles
into a single tab by having two list controls in it. It would also be useful to
displays whatever direct formatting has been applied and the ability to clear
it.

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Summary|Remove Style  Formatting |Improving the Style 
   |from sidebar|Formatting sidebar tab

--- Comment #12 from Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com ---
I see that you've updated the style list Tomaz with previews, which is great
but please do add a checkbox to be able to disable the previews. I'm assuming
alot of advanced users wont care for the preview, like Cor. :D

I was playing with the list and noticed a bug that if you modify an entry, it
wont refresh the preview.

Not sure if its useful to have style previews in frame, page, and list styles,
as they all look the same in the preview. It might be useful in frame styles if
its possible to show text alignment and borders. It might be useful in list
styles if its possible to show the bullets.

I see that we have an 'Automatic' setting in paragraph styles, which i believe
we can use to work similar to Word's 'Recommended' setting, because presently
all it is a duplicate of 'Text Styles'. So it would be useful to set
'Automatic' as the default view for paragraph styles and it should contain the
following.

1. Entries under 'Applied Styles', so users can modify a style they have
already used.

2. Entries under 'Custom Styles', so users can edit a style they have created
but that hasnt been applied yet.

3. Primary text styles like 'Default Style', 'Text Body', 'Quotations', and
'Preformatted Text'.

4. Primary Heading styles like 'Title', 'Subtitle', 'Heading 1', 'Heading 2',
and 'Heading 3'.

5. Additional Heading styles when a previous Heading style is used, which means
that if a user selects 'Heading 3', 'Heading 4' should show up on the list, and
if a user selects 'Heading 4', 'Heading 5' should show up on the list, and so.

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--- Comment #14 from Tomaz Vajngerl qui...@gmail.com ---
(In reply to Jay Philips from comment #12)
 I see that you've updated the style list Tomaz with previews, which is great
 but please do add a checkbox to be able to disable the previews. I'm
 assuming alot of advanced users wont care for the preview, like Cor. :D

Yes, this is planned. The advanced users have shortcut keys assigned to styles
so they don't use Styles  Formatting at all (and the sidebar in general)..
:)

 I was playing with the list and noticed a bug that if you modify an entry,
 it wont refresh the preview.

I'm aware of that, previously a refresh was not needed, but it is now so I just
need to find the right place to do a refresh. :)

 Not sure if its useful to have style previews in frame, page, and list
 styles, as they all look the same in the preview. It might be useful in
 frame styles if its possible to show text alignment and borders. It might be
 useful in list styles if its possible to show the bullets.

I'm aware of that as well, alignment and other text related are planned.
Anything can be added, it is just a matter of reading the style and rendering
it. :)

 I see that we have an 'Automatic' setting in paragraph styles, which i
 believe we can use to work similar to Word's 'Recommended' setting, because
 presently all it is a duplicate of 'Text Styles'. So it would be useful to
 set 'Automatic' as the default view for paragraph styles and it should
 contain the following.
 
 1. Entries under 'Applied Styles', so users can modify a style they have
 already used.
 
 2. Entries under 'Custom Styles', so users can edit a style they have
 created but that hasnt been applied yet.
 
 3. Primary text styles like 'Default Style', 'Text Body', 'Quotations', and
 'Preformatted Text'.
 
 4. Primary Heading styles like 'Title', 'Subtitle', 'Heading 1', 'Heading
 2', and 'Heading 3'.
 
 5. Additional Heading styles when a previous Heading style is used, which
 means that if a user selects 'Heading 3', 'Heading 4' should show up on the
 list, and if a user selects 'Heading 4', 'Heading 5' should show up on the
 list, and so.

I'll try to tune this when I have the time.

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