[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 91004] 'Tms Rmn' font should be substituted for Times New Roman or Liberation Serif

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--- Comment #15 from Volga  ---
(In reply to Felix Miata from comment #14)
> (In reply to Volga from comment #13)
> > Does macOS and Linux distributions having system-wide solutions to replace
> > 'Tms Rmn' to other font?
> 
> I do not find the string 'Tms Rmn' anywhere in /etc/fonts/ in openSUSE 42.3.
Oh I mean whether Linux distributions has similar font substitution as above
Windows registry.

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--- Comment #14 from Felix Miata  ---
(In reply to Volga from comment #13)
> Does macOS and Linux distributions having system-wide solutions to replace
> 'Tms Rmn' to other font?

I do not find the string 'Tms Rmn' anywhere in /etc/fonts/ in openSUSE 42.3.

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--- Comment #13 from Volga  ---
Does macOS and Linux distributions having system-wide solutions to replace 'Tms
Rmn' to other font? If so LibreOffice need to handle them.

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--- Comment #12 from Volga  ---
(In reply to Volga from comment #11)
> In MS Windows, 'Tms Rmn' font is substituted for MS Serif font, which is
> specified in a Windows Registery path
> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows
> NT\CurrentVersion\FontSubstitutes.

We can try to add a functionality to make it works as replacement table on
Windows. (Bug 113007)

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--- Comment #11 from Volga  ---
In MS Windows, 'Tms Rmn' font is substituted for MS Serif font, which is
specified in a Windows Registery path
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows
NT\CurrentVersion\FontSubstitutes.

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--- Comment #10 from Felix Miata  ---
FWIW, this is from a 24/7 eComStation 1.1 installation created about a dozen
years ago:

Directory of F:\PSFONTS
...
11-22-99 11:22a 6,793  0 a---  HELV.OFM
11-22-99 11:23a   120,578  0 a---  HELV.PFB
11-22-99 11:22a 6,785  0 a---  HELVB.OFM
11-22-99 11:23a   123,085  0 a---  HELVB.PFB
11-22-99 11:22a 6,787  0 a---  HELVBI.OFM
11-22-99 11:23a   124,245  0 a---  HELVBI.PFB
11-22-99 11:22a 6,772  0 a---  HELVI.OFM
11-22-99 11:24a   123,355  0 a---  HELVI.PFB
11-22-99 11:22a 6,809  0 a---  TNR.OFM
11-22-99 11:24a   145,785  0 a---  TNR.PFB
11-22-99 11:22a 6,825  0 a---  TNRB.OFM
11-22-99 11:24a   148,564  0 a---  TNRB.PFB
11-22-99 11:22a 6,839  0 a---  TNRBI.OFM
11-22-99 11:24a   159,652  0 a---  TNRBI.PFB
11-22-99 11:22a 6,830  0 a---  TNRI.OFM
11-22-99 11:24a   157,010  0 a---  TNRI.PFB
11-22-99 12:04p 1,352  0 a---  tnrmt30.cmb
11-22-99 12:00p21,665,952  0 a---  tnrwt_j.ttf
...

IOW, files with Helv or Tms Rmn could have come from OS/2 or eComStation users,
not just Windows users.

cf. http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/Font/fonts-face-index-os2.html

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--- Comment #7 from Caolán McNamara  ---
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/82860

"TmsRmn and Helv ... We still have the exact same fonts, but now under the
names MS Sans Serif and MS Serif"

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/68536

"Font Family BitstreamCanonAdobeHP
--- -----

Swiss (Helv)SwissSwissHelveticaUniverse
Roman (Tms Rmn) DutchDutchTimes Roman  CG Times"

and it appears we have these two listed in our VCL.xcu

http://opengrok.libreoffice.org/xref/core/officecfg/registry/data/org/openoffice/VCL.xcu#7349

so we should be covered for the pure-libreoffice side of things.

But we generally use fontconfig on Linux rather than those tables. fc-match
"TmsRmn" and fc-match "Helv" just return the default font for me so there's no
particular fontconfig smarts for those fonts apparently.

I guess ideally fontconfig has a mapping for Helv->"MS Serif" and "TmsRmn->MS
Sans Serif" and then further fallbacks for those to the helvetica replacements
and the "times roman" -> "times new roman" replacements

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--- Comment #8 from Caolán McNamara  ---
Lets see if the fedora fontconfig maintainer has any thoughts on that
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1260061

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--- Comment #9 from Yousuf (Jay) Philips  ---
Have also submitted it to the fontconfig mailing list -
http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/fontconfig/2015-September/005557.html

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--- Comment #5 from m.a.riosv  ---
I'm agree with Adolfo, I think the Menu/Tools/Options/LibreOffice/Fonst -
Replacement table, it's to solve situations like this, between others.

At least it works for me, with the sample file. Which implies there is an
specific option to solve corner cases like this one.

BTW, how LibreOffice could know what font use to make the substitution, if the
font is not installed, or it is embedded with the xls file?

For me not a bug. Please if you are not agree reopen it.

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--- Comment #6 from Yousuf (Jay) Philips  ---
(In reply to m.a.riosv from comment #5)
> I'm agree with Adolfo, I think the Menu/Tools/Options/LibreOffice/Fonst -
> Replacement table, it's to solve situations like this, between others.

Most users dont open the options dialog.

> At least it works for me, with the sample file. Which implies there is an
> specific option to solve corner cases like this one.

Yes i tried it on windows and the system based substitute worked, so the
substituted font was a serif font. So i'm assuming linux and mac would only be
affected by this issue.

> BTW, how LibreOffice could know what font use to make the substitution, if
> the font is not installed, or it is embedded with the xls file?

I'm assuming libreoffice has a substitution array, which is how we substitute
Times New Roman for Liberation Serif, as that wouldnt be in the OS substitution
list and isnt in the options dialog.

> For me not a bug. Please if you are not agree reopen it.

I consider this a compatibility/interoperability issue, though not a major one,
but their are limits to how much LO should rely on the OS substitution list.

@Maxim, @Caolan: Any thoughts.

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--- Comment #2 from raal r...@post.cz ---
I can confirm with Version: 5.0.0.0.alpha1+
Build ID: 59adad74084e9281887e3f78a225794f37b784d7
TinderBox: Linux-rpm_deb-x86_64@46-TDF, Branch:master, Time:
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--- Comment #4 from Yousuf (Jay) Philips philip...@hotmail.com ---
(In reply to Adolfo Jayme from comment #3)
 Isn’t this the kind of stuff managed by fontconfig? I think the alias should
 be added there. But… is it so frequently found?

Does LO depend on fontconfig for font substitutions? The excel file was created
around 2000.

 That was an old* name used by Microsoft for its Microsoft Sans Serif font,
 not Helvetica.

So that means it should be Times New Roman then.

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--- Comment #1 from Yousuf (Jay) Philips philip...@hotmail.com ---
Came across this file which has 'helv' in its font list, which i'm assuming its
a short form of helvetica.

http://www.exinfm.com/excel%20files/fcashflow.xls

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