[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 94857] default template location overwritten by installation

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--- Comment #19 from Mike Kaganski  ---
And instead of "LibreOffice registry" I should had written verbosely "Windows
Registry keys that LibreOffice writes on installation, including its native
file type extensions and their subkeys".

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--- Comment #18 from Mike Kaganski  ---
(In reply to Orwel from comment #17)

Yes, update. On update, LibreOffice uninstalls itself, and then installs anew.
The only additional thing it does is it checks which component set is already
installed, to keep the same choice.

And it should not change. Please do not reopen, since it is *not* a bug.

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--- Comment #17 from Orwel  ---
Hi, I understand, but this bug was not about LibreOffice registry it was about
rewriting Windows Registry by each Update... Why should LO change MY choice of
pointing my Shallnew file? I do not understand... Clear install ok, but
update???

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 Resolution|--- |WONTFIX
 Status|NEW |RESOLVED

--- Comment #16 from Mike Kaganski  ---
LibreOffice registry is its own. We should not introduce this as
user-configurable option. The use case for this is to allow ShellNew to use the
same template as configured in LibreOffice; and to make it possible, no
ShellNew configurability is needed, but rather allowing null files to be opened
using the default templates.

Closing this WONTFIX.

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--- Comment #15 from Orwel  ---
Still present in 7.0.4.

This Bug makes not possible (together with bug 125769 - see my Comm. 14 there)
to set a new empty document using your own template from Win-Explorer by mouse
right click - NEW - Text document OpenDocument.

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--- Comment #14 from Orwel  ---
Still present in 6.2.6.2

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--- Comment #13 from Orwel  ---
Hi,
this very annoying bug (I do an update of LO very rarely because of it) is
still present in 6.0.6.2, tested on Win10, 64bit version of LO.
Thank you.

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NEW per comment 10

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--- Comment #10 from ydutri...@gmail.com ---
Hi all,

problem reproduced.

(little change in step in case of... ;) )

I agree with Orwel, If I remember correctly, in old version it was not a
problem.
For me, Libo should react like this (like before) in this sequence :
1)See in the user folder : %appdata%/libreoffice/4/user/template/shellnew if
there is a template soffice.xxx  if it's the case, use it
2)See in the global folder: ProgramData/Microsoft/windows/templates (/shellnew
?) if a template soffice.xxx exist, if yes use it
3) use the registry key Filename under HKCR/.odt/ (in case user has change to
change the directory)
4) Nothing exist in previous folder located in step 1) and 2) and 3), use the
default template of Libo (in the installation folder) and don't look or modify
registry for this.


Yves.

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--- Comment #9 from ydutri...@gmail.com ---
Hi all,

problem reproduced.
I agree with Orwel, If I remember correctly, in old version it was not a
problem.
For me, Libo should react like this (like before) in this sequence :
1)See in the user folder : %appdata%/libreoffice/4/user/template/shellnew if
there is a template soffice.xxx  if it's the case, use it
2)See in the global folder: ProgramData/Microsoft/windows/templates (/shellnew
?) if a template soffice.xxx exist, if yes use it
3) Nothing exist in previous folder located in step 1) and 2), use the default
template of Libo (in the installation folder)

Yves.

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--- Comment #8 from Pierre C  ---
(In reply to Orwel from comment #7)
> My opinion is the solution should be more user friendly. I do not think
> changing the ACL registry with an error message by each update is the right
> way.
> 
> If it is not possible to keep the right way of the default template for
> security or other reasons (I really do not understand why is this necessary
> indeed) at least some check mark for example in the Custom installation
> settings should be added ("Keep actual template" or something similar).
> 
> This behaviour is really annoying...

I Absolutely agrees with that. I was just giving a (poor) workaround

>From my little knowledge of registry.
The hkey_local_machine is a machine configuration location, and it can't be
changed by a user.

So, a solution could be :
- The LO installation process changes the ACL of theses particulars keys, and
gives user a write access
- When a user changes LO option to change the default template, this is also
changed in the registry.
- At each new first start after installation, LO keeps consistence between
registry and LO default template.

This could be a little problem. On a PC under Windows, each user can have a
different default template setting. But as this is stored in the local_machine
registry, each user has the same config by right-click --> new.

So definitively, this should be done during the installation process. In the
advanced installation process, on step could be to give the path to the default
template used.

Sorry you had my thoughts while I was writing

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--- Comment #7 from Orwel  ---
My opinion is the solution should be more user friendly. I do not think
changing the ACL registry with an error message by each update is the right
way.

If it is not possible to keep the right way of the default template for
security or other reasons (I really do not understand why is this necessary
indeed) at least some check mark for example in the Custom installation
settings should be added ("Keep actual template" or something similar).

This behaviour is really annoying...

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--- Comment #6 from Pierre C  ---
One solution could be changing the ACL registry Key by removing the writing
right to Administrators and System.

When reinstalling LO, an error message occurs telling us that the registry key
could not be written. Just click Ignore. And all is seems right.

Pierre

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Jean-Baptiste Faure  changed:

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Version|unspecified |5.0.2.2 release

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--- Comment #5 from Orwel  ---
@tommy27 
Hi, no change in LO 5.2.2.3, i have just tested it. The affected registry key
becomes still changed by update of LO. 
Steps for reproducing:
1. LO uninstalled  (Control panel/Programs)
2. Installed LO LibreOffice_5.1.5.2_Win_x64
3. Changed the registry key 
HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT/.odt/LibreOffice.WriterDocument.1/ShellNew to the own
template location on disk E: + changed/imported this template in LO-writer
(File/Templates/Manage + setting the correct path (in Options/Paths) for the
template on E:, deleting the default templates location on c:/...
4. Installed (updated) LibreOffice_5.2.3.3_Win_x64 (from a downloaded
installation file).
Result:
After installing of 5.2.2.3 the registry key changed to the default value -
path on c:

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--- Comment #4 from tommy27  ---
@Orwel
has anything changed using latest LibO 5.2.3.3 release?

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--- Comment #3 from Orwel  ---
Hi,
thank you for dealing with this issue.

Indeed, the way I use to create a new odt and i had described is the A. True
is, i NEVER create a blank document from a template inside from LO
(File-New-Text document). The reason for it is I use LO also for business
documents and there are 2 ways i work with new documents: either i have to look
for a matching folder where i want to place a new file (which is easier in
Windows/searching file program) or i have to create a new subdirectory
somewhere in the folder tree, which is also easier to do in Win. And when I am
pointed in this folder, it is much more quicker and easier to create a new odt
through the right click menu in Win as Open LO, create a empty odt and save it
in the way you have to find the matching folder again.

Sure i can understand if this is not a bug although i thought it is one because
i am not sure if this behaviour should be usual for an "update". In some way I
can understand a full blank installation (and rewrite of registry paths) in the
case of an "upgrade", but i think, when you use your own template each update
(e.g. from XX.0.1 to XX.0.2) should not affect the path in the registry. 

Let me explain, for common users who are not able to find the way how to change
Windows registry or are afraid to do it, the way (A) they create new documents
(right click) has to be very muddy after the update. Or better to say - it is
useless/impossible, because you can not do it without changing the registry. I
think setting an own template as "default" should cause each technique (A or B)
do the same. If B is not affected by an update, I think A should be neither.

I am not sure if it is possible to set in the registry 2 values for the purpose
as described by  FutureProject 2016-01-17 - e. g. A) own template, B) default
template for the case A is not working - this could be one possible solution.

Other possible suggestion is to add some entry in the Custom install process to
keep the old paths. I really believe that there are also other users who prefer
to create a new odt directly from Windows Explorer. But this way is not
possible for less skilful users who use their own templates. I believe the way
you have to go inside Windows registry to fix the path after every small update
is not very user-friendly. 

But I understand if this is not a major opinion.

One more time thank you for deal with this.

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--- Comment #2 from FutureProject  ---
I'm sorry about the confusion, but I have looked into the issue some more and
have a question.

Did you change the registry entries manually to point to the other template?
Because I found two different ways templates work.

A. The windows registry holds the path to a blank template that is used when
new documents are created via "Right-click -> New -> OpenDocument Text". This
is what is reset on every update. This works like every other file type as in
that it creates a blank file.

B. LibreOffice has a setting for a default template that gets used when a new
document is opened inside the application, but it does not seem to change the
windows registry key from A. < see:
https://help.libreoffice.org/Writer/Changing_the_Default_Template >

If using the default template setting is a viable option for you we can leave
it at that. If not we might need some more opinions. Please let us know how you
would like to proceed.

I'm changing the status to NEEDINFO. Please set it to UNCONFIRMED when you have
commented.

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 Resolution|--- |NOTABUG
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--- Comment #1 from FutureProject  ---
Hello, and thank you for bringing this issue to our attention.

I'm relatively sure this is working as intended. The installer sets everything
up and overwrites old entries to make sure everything is up to date and no
fragments of older versions remain, which could lead to issues along the road.
As you can see, it points to a folder named "Libre Office 5", which is in
conflict with older versions.

If you like you can open a new report and make enhancement suggestions how this
behaviour should be addressed - perhaps the ability to set the template via
options or any other ideas you might have.

Setting status to RESOLVED NOTABUG.

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