[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 98675] Template Management is missing

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=98675

--- Comment #9 from Cor Nouws  ---
(In reply to Ulrich Windl from comment #8)

> I'd wish my brain had perfect image memory and I could make digital copies
> of those; unfortunately I cannot provide a screenshot when I last used the
> feature.

;)
I think I can one of the next days.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 98675] Template Management is missing

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--- Comment #8 from Ulrich Windl  ---
(In reply to Samuel Mehrbrodt (CIB) from comment #7)
> What do you mean with "printing style properties"? Can you post a screenshot
> of the former functionality?

I'd wish my brain had perfect image memory and I could make digital copies of
those; unfortunately I cannot provide a screenshot when I last used the
feature.
"printing style properties" is the feature to display all the properties set
for all the styles being defined or used in the current document. Preferrably
you can print that document then. Clear now?

(Almost 30 years ago a product named "Ventura Publisher" (running with DOS/GEM)
had that feature, too. And some older OpenOffice had a limited version of that,
too...)

> What should be the output?

A structured document showing (in a preferrably clever way) all the formatting
properties of all styles being defined or used for a document).

> And what is the usecase?

The use case is:
1) Documenting the formatting styles
2) Check the formatting styles for consistency
3) Help product support (=you) with style issues

(In reply to Cor Nouws from comment #1)
The link
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=runnamed_id=598334=TemplateManager
still does not work.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 98675] Template Management is missing

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Samuel Mehrbrodt (CIB)  changed:

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--- Comment #7 from Samuel Mehrbrodt (CIB)  ---
(In reply to Ulrich Windl from comment #0)
> When I try to print the style properties for a template, the only things I
> find in the menu to manage templates are "Sort by name" and "refresh".
> Was it necessary to mess up the user interface once again? Where are the
> options to print style properties?

What do you mean with "printing style properties"? Can you post a screenshot of
the former functionality?
What should be the output?
And what is the usecase?

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 98675] Template Management is missing

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--- Comment #6 from Ulrich Windl  ---
(In reply to Adolfo Jayme from comment #4)
> So, Ulrich, if you’re interested in our plans for the template manager, be
> sure to check out these UX documents and provide feedback:
> 
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JRPNdeHQpgqiqJv8LW-RHOjtHN8EMX0qK98QBnr10Yg/edit#heading=h.q1t6im2oip6e
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ri2jznhcQmCtk3cVygEhwN7pi8FkbIVV_OvRQce_n6Y/edit#heading=h.icneug3ebnpf

Having browsed those, you captured the issues I guess, but as indicated in
comment 5 my problem is actually different (see comment 0).

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 98675] Template Management is missing

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--- Comment #5 from Ulrich Windl  ---
(In reply to Adolfo Jayme from comment #4)
> > Was it necessary to mess up the user interface once again? Where are the
> > options to print style properties?
> 
> Funny that you say “once again” (implying recency), since the last time the
> Template Manager was touched was in a 2012 (IIRC) Google Summer of Code
> project: that is almost four years ago. In a few months we’re going to

OK, maybe it's the first time you broke the UI for the template manager, but
actually I'm talking about the feature to print style definitions that used to
be in the template manager for some obscure reason, and most users were unable
to find it there. Now that the users are used to find it there, it's gone, and
I couldn't find it elsewhere so far. And I don't need the feature frequently,
because I'm not changing my styles that frequently. Recently there was some
change in corporate design, and I tried to document the style changes (Long
story for this issue).

> release version 5.2 and you’re complaining about a change that was
> introduced in 4.0 (which is ancient by now). And no, we’re not happy with
> the current status quo either.

BTW: You make versions ancient, not the user.

> 
> So, Ulrich, if you’re interested in our plans for the template manager, be
> sure to check out these UX documents and provide feedback:

In the first step I'd be happy to display/print the style definitions.

> 
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JRPNdeHQpgqiqJv8LW-
> RHOjtHN8EMX0qK98QBnr10Yg/edit#heading=h.q1t6im2oip6e
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/
> 1Ri2jznhcQmCtk3cVygEhwN7pi8FkbIVV_OvRQce_n6Y/edit#heading=h.icneug3ebnpf

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 98675] Template Management is missing

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--- Comment #4 from Adolfo Jayme  ---
> Was it necessary to mess up the user interface once again? Where are the
> options to print style properties?

Funny that you say “once again” (implying recency), since the last time the
Template Manager was touched was in a 2012 (IIRC) Google Summer of Code
project: that is almost four years ago. In a few months we’re going to release
version 5.2 and you’re complaining about a change that was introduced in 4.0
(which is ancient by now). And no, we’re not happy with the current status quo
either.

So, Ulrich, if you’re interested in our plans for the template manager, be sure
to check out these UX documents and provide feedback:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JRPNdeHQpgqiqJv8LW-RHOjtHN8EMX0qK98QBnr10Yg/edit#heading=h.q1t6im2oip6e
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ri2jznhcQmCtk3cVygEhwN7pi8FkbIVV_OvRQce_n6Y/edit#heading=h.icneug3ebnpf

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 98675] Template Management is missing

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Cor Nouws  changed:

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 Status|NEEDINFO|NEW
  Component|Writer  |LibreOffice
Version|5.0.5.2 release |4.0.0.3 release

--- Comment #3 from Cor Nouws  ---
(In reply to Ulrich Windl from comment #2)
> "The search named TemplateManager does not exist. " is all I get, 

Hmm, maybe the shared-options that I've set are insufficient.
On the other hand, I do not see an active bug describing the problem (strange -
I'm sure there were discussions on this subject..) > Setting to new now

> and I don't think we'll have to discuss who slept longer.
>From what I remember there was some sentence in your OP that triggered me.
Sorry for that.

Cor

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--- Comment #2 from Ulrich Windl  ---
(In reply to Cor Nouws from comment #1)
> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=runnamed_id=598334=TemplateManager

"The search named TemplateManager does not exist. " is all I get, and I don't
think we'll have to discuss who slept longer.

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--- Comment #1 from Cor Nouws  ---
Hi Ulrich,

How long have you been asleep :) ?
Do you have access to this query:
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=runnamed_id=598334=TemplateManager
I think what you are missing is covered by bugs listed there?
Cheers - Cor

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