[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 105837] Wrong quotation marks entered

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Eike Rathke  changed:

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--- Comment #9 from Eike Rathke  ---
This went under my radar.

I didn't find a normative resource for this. Also the CLDR doesn't distinguish
between de and de-CH for quotationStart/quotationEnd. If Wikipedia agrees I
don't see a compelling reason to not change the characters.

The original bug submitter may want to claim the case in the Unicode CLDR and
file a change request, so other software using the CLDR information will get
this right as well. See http://cldr.unicode.org/index/bug-reports

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 105837] Wrong quotation marks entered

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 105837] Wrong quotation marks entered

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--- Comment #7 from sophie  ---
(In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #5)

> 
> @Sophie, Eike -- should we consider the Style guide of the Wikipedia article
> as normative in any sense and implement the primary "Standard" entry listed
> there as annotated for our QuotationStart/End and DoubleQuotationStart/End
> entries in the i18npool XML?
> 
I'd let Eike decide here, but at least it seems well documented on Wikipedia.
Sophie

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 105837] Wrong quotation marks entered

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--- Comment #6 from Johannes Kingma  ---
Indeed, quotation is different for de-CH as de-DE. 

I did a bit research to find an independent source compiling all locale
dependent quotation but the Wikipedia author's did quit a good job and haven
found a good "official" source.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 105837] Wrong quotation marks entered

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V Stuart Foote  changed:

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 Status|NEEDINFO|NEW
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Version|5.1.6.2 release |Inherited From OOo

--- Comment #5 from V Stuart Foote  ---
(In reply to Johannes Kingma from comment #4)
> The Problem with this is, that typographical quotes are language dependent.
> German the two will be reversed or low and high, the USoA and UK use
> different quotes, The French the Dutch. 
> 

Yes, and the UI provides for that based on language and locale (following RFC
5646). And gives the ability to assign the language locale at the paragraph
level. 

Testing and reviewing source, I do see that our default quotation for de-DE is
the same for de-CH as reported. So confrimed and NEW

But as noted, you can change default start/end single and double quote glyph
used for each language locale. 

Looks like we should probably scrub the XML configuration files in
i18npool/source/localedata/data for quotation handling.

@Sophie, Eike -- should we consider the Style guide of the Wikipedia article as
normative in any sense and implement the primary "Standard" entry listed there
as annotated for our QuotationStart/End and DoubleQuotationStart/End entries in
the i18npool XML?

=-ref-=
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quotation_mark

http://opengrok.libreoffice.org/xref/core/i18npool/source/localedata/data/

=-test environment-=
Windows 10 Pro 64-bit en-US
Version: 5.4.0.0.alpha0+
Build ID: 83e059af2203ec0cd15dea08cfa538555ba14bd7
CPU Threads: 8; OS Version: Windows 6.2; UI Render: GL; 
TinderBox: Win-x86@62-merge-TDF, Branch:MASTER, Time: 2017-02-06_23:29:13
Locale: en-US (en_US); Calc: CL

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 105837] Wrong quotation marks entered

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--- Comment #4 from Johannes Kingma  ---
(In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #2)
> The setting should follow the Local (picked up from OS) or as set on Tools
> -> Options -> Language Settings -> Languages
> 
> And, value may be overridden from the Tools -> AutoCorrect Options:
> Localized Options tab in the Double Quotes "Start quote" and "End quote"
> widgets.
> 
> If defaults are not following local, that is an issue and please elaborate
> on your settings. Otherwise this is as expected and NAB.

The Problem with this is, that typographical quotes are language dependent.
German the two will be reversed or low and high, the USoA and UK use different
quotes, The French the Dutch. 

This is a nice overview:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quotation_mark#Specific_language_features

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--- Comment #3 from Johannes Kingma  ---
It is the latest version available in Manjaro (Arch).

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--- Comment #2 from V Stuart Foote  ---
The setting should follow the Local (picked up from OS) or as set on Tools ->
Options -> Language Settings -> Languages

And, value may be overridden from the Tools -> AutoCorrect Options: Localized
Options tab in the Double Quotes "Start quote" and "End quote" widgets.

If defaults are not following local, that is an issue and please elaborate on
your settings. Otherwise this is as expected and NAB.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 105837] Wrong quotation marks entered

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--- Comment #1 from Xisco Faulí  ---
it seems you're using an old version of LibreOffice.
Could you please try to reproduce it with the latest version of LibreOffice
from https://www.libreoffice.org/download/libreoffice-fresh/ ?
I have set the bug's status to 'NEEDINFO'. Please change it back to
'UNCONFIRMED' if the bug is still present in the latest version.

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