[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 108569] [META] Page margin bugs and enhancements
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108569 Bug 108569 depends on bug 148153, which changed state. Bug 148153 Summary: Frame should respect page margins https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=148153 What|Removed |Added Status|UNCONFIRMED |RESOLVED Resolution|--- |WONTFIX -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108569 Dieter changed: What|Removed |Added Depends on||148153 Referenced Bugs: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=148153 [Bug 148153] Frame should respect page margins -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108569 Roman Kuznetsov <79045_79...@mail.ru> changed: What|Removed |Added Depends on||144654 Referenced Bugs: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=144654 [Bug 144654] Switching LO draw from any visible page margin to None and undoing the change does not restore the side margins -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108569 Dieter changed: What|Removed |Added Depends on||126009 Referenced Bugs: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126009 [Bug 126009] Increasing margin size does not reflect new constraints for header values without closing and reopening the Page Style dialog -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108569 --- Comment #3 from Regina Henschel --- (In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #2) > Regina, what do you think about Eyal's comment 1? I agree with Eyal, that the current wording in the UI in page style and in print dialog is already inconsistent and confusing and it becomes worse with introducing gutter. In addition to Eyal's remarks on print processing and writing direction, there exists the problem of import/export with docx and rtf formats. It might help to try to write an extensive guide about the features currently available in LO 7.2 for page layout and printing. That would uncover all the wording problems and usability shortcomings. But is there someone interested to investigate and fix all the problems? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 108569] [META] Page margin bugs and enhancements
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108569 Heiko Tietze changed: What|Removed |Added CC||heiko.tietze@documentfounda ||tion.org, ||rb.hensc...@t-online.de --- Comment #2 from Heiko Tietze --- Regina, what do you think about Eyal's comment 1? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108569 --- Comment #1 from Eyal Rozenberg --- With the introduction of the Gutter option, LO has taken another step into the complex space of catering to the preparation of printed products. I believe we are currently having a bit of a fractured discussion on and off of Bugzilla on this configuration/setting space, and in more than one: 140568 and 140561 at least. So as not to further fracture the discussion, I'm making a somewhat general comment here. I'll use the terms "LO page" for the pages we see and edit within LO Writer; "leaf" (a.k.a. "folium") for a sheet of physical paper onto which matter is printed; and "final page" as what the reader of the folded and bound physical document thinks of as a page (e.g. a page in a bound book). So, we're talking about what we do with multiple pages we print. Relevant factors/considerations: * Will the printed leaves be attached to each other somehow, or kept loose? * Do printed leaves get folded before use (binding or no binding)? And in which pattern? And do all leaves get folded together, on in bunches? (if you're wondering why we might fold bunches of pages separately - see this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiCRx1_Ovok)? * Will the leaves (after any potential folding) be bound at: A corner (e.g. with a stapler), or along one of the axes? * Will content be printed onto both sides of each leaf? * Do we intend to have multiple LO pages be contained in each final page? (For no folding and no binding, this reduces to "do we print multiple LO pages onto each side of a leaf") * How do we call the two axes of an LO page? A leaf? A final page? What do they signify? Is it "short" vs "long"? "Left/Right" vs "Top/Bottom"? "Along-line progression" vs "perpendicular-to-line progression"? "printer head moves across" vs "printer scrolls along"? This is a particularly sticky point, because depending on our conceptual choice, the axes may be flipped by one or more of the following changes: * Increasing page "width" beyond page "height" * Switching between portrait and landscape (terms which relate to the printer's axes) * Switching document/section direction LTR/RTL * Switching page direction LTR/RTL * Using a LTR vs RTL language * Using a language in which glyphs are "naturally" inserted top-to-bottom, then RTL or LTR as the case may be * Maybe other actions * For axis-bound final pages - which axis has the binding (considering the reference conundrum mentioned above)? And which "side" is the bound one? * If document pages have different roles/placement on final pages (e.g. front and back side with binding and no folding) - what role does the first document page have? In what order do consecutive pages cycle through the roles (in the example Now, you might be saying: "What's with all that complex nitpicking? LO Writer is not a print-publishing/typesetting application, it's just a word processor! Let's keep this simple!" - well, the thing is, once you have the features we already have - we can't quite keep it simple; we have take more things into consideration to avoid inconsistencies. Otherwise, we will be in a constant state of buginess - for some of our users, some of the time. Thus, for example, you can't say "Put the gutter on Left". Left of what? And if I'm switching from, say, writing English to Arabic - what will the "Left" now mean? Careful with your answer... remember that RTL language documents start with a final-page that's to the left of the axis; are you sure you want the Gutter on the left of that page? And what if I want 4 LO-pages per sheet for a book fold; where is "Left" now? Or the request in bug 140561: "Call it Inner gutter, not Left gutter" - If we print one LO page per leaf, and only print on one side of the leaves, and with the leaves facing up we bind on the left of the page, then - the gutter can legitimately be said to be "Left". If we do the same, except that we print on both sides of each leaf, then the Gutter is sometimes on the left, sometimes on the right; so we can't just call it a "Left" gutter. And what about "inner", then? Well, actually, a gutter is _always_ inner - since the gutter is near the binding, and a book opens around the binding axis. There are _only_ inner gutters. These issues regard not only gutters, but other items on the Page dialog. For example: "Right" and "Left" margins are not really on the right and on the left when we have leaf folding. Thus, Microsoft Word changes the margin field labels when the user chooses "Mirrored Pages" or "Book Fold". Having said all that - I'm not suggesting that we necessarily support complex fold-patterns or otherwise go overboard with features. Just that we keep the physical process in mind, and also be mindful of every situation that legitimately comes up when using existing LO features. The UI needs to cater to all of those consistently. PS - Some explanations-with-screenshots of parts of MS
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 108569] [META] Page margin bugs and enhancements
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108569 Aron Budea changed: What|Removed |Added Depends on|91920 | Referenced Bugs: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=91920 [Bug 91920] No support for gutter margins -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 108569] [META] Page margin bugs and enhancements
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108569 Aron Budea changed: What|Removed |Added Depends on||140575 Referenced Bugs: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=140575 [Bug 140575] [META] Gutter margin bugs and enhancements -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 108569] [META] Page margin bugs and enhancements
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108569 Bug 108569 depends on bug 91920, which changed state. Bug 91920 Summary: No support for gutter margins https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=91920 What|Removed |Added Status|ASSIGNED|RESOLVED Resolution|--- |FIXED -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 108569] [META] Page margin bugs and enhancements
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108569 Bug 108569 depends on bug 125232, which changed state. Bug 125232 Summary: FORMATTING - Cannot change margins of oversized document without catastrophic change to formatting https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125232 What|Removed |Added Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution|--- |WORKSFORME -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108569 V Stuart Foote changed: What|Removed |Added See Also||https://bugs.documentfounda ||tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13 ||5572 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108569 Dieter Praas changed: What|Removed |Added Depends on||125232 Referenced Bugs: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125232 [Bug 125232] FORMATTING - Cannot change margins of oversized document without catastrophic change to formatting -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108569 Roman Kuznetsov <79045_79...@mail.ru> changed: What|Removed |Added Depends on||125169 Referenced Bugs: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125169 [Bug 125169] DRAW. Page number doesn't show in margin if page number was inserted in master view mode -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108569 Bug 108569 depends on bug 124510, which changed state. Bug 124510 Summary: OPTION DIALOG: Add option to show page margins https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124510 What|Removed |Added Status|UNCONFIRMED |RESOLVED Resolution|--- |DUPLICATE -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 108569] [META] Page margin bugs and enhancements
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108569 Dieter Praas changed: What|Removed |Added Depends on||124510 Referenced Bugs: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124510 [Bug 124510] OPTION DIALOG: Add option to show page margins -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108569 Roman Kuznetsov <79045_79...@mail.ru> changed: What|Removed |Added Depends on||90588 Referenced Bugs: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90588 [Bug 90588] PRINTING: Zero margin right doesn't work -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 108569] [META] Page margin bugs and enhancements
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108569 Roman Kuznetsov <79045_79...@mail.ru> changed: What|Removed |Added Depends on||91920 Referenced Bugs: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=91920 [Bug 91920] No support for gutter margins -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 108569] [META] Page margin bugs and enhancements
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108569 Dieter Praas changed: What|Removed |Added Depends on||119395 Referenced Bugs: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=119395 [Bug 119395] Default Page Margins - Revisited -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 108569] [META] Page margin bugs and enhancements
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108569 Bug 108569 depends on bug 117855, which changed state. Bug 117855 Summary: EDITING: Impossible to locate a rotated image to left or right page margin https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=117855 What|Removed |Added Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution|--- |DUPLICATE -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 108569] [META] Page margin bugs and enhancements
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108569 Dieter Praas changed: What|Removed |Added Depends on||117855 Referenced Bugs: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=117855 [Bug 117855] EDITING: Writer Image Location -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 108569] [META] Page margin bugs and enhancements
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108569 Bug 108569 depends on bug 112118, which changed state. Bug 112118 Summary: When using page-border, size of margins increases every time file is saved as DOC(X) (see comment 3) https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=112118 What|Removed |Added Status|ASSIGNED|RESOLVED Resolution|--- |FIXED -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108569 Aron Budea changed: What|Removed |Added Depends on||112118 Referenced Bugs: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=112118 [Bug 112118] When using page-border, size of margins increases every time file is saved as DOC(X) (see comment 3) -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 108569] [META] Page margin bugs and enhancements
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108569 Bug 108569 depends on bug 116247, which changed state. Bug 116247 Summary: Margin changes when page with borders is saved in DOC(X) format https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=116247 What|Removed |Added Status|UNCONFIRMED |RESOLVED Resolution|--- |DUPLICATE -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 108569] [META] Page margin bugs and enhancements
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108569 Aron Budea changed: What|Removed |Added Depends on||116247 Referenced Bugs: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=116247 [Bug 116247] Margin changes when page with borders is saved in DOC(X) format -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 108569] [META] Page margin bugs and enhancements
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108569 Yousuf Philips (jay) changed: What|Removed |Added Depends on||112888 Referenced Bugs: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=112888 [Bug 112888] Option to set Draw's default page size and margins -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 108569] [META] Page margin bugs and enhancements
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108569 Bug 108569 depends on bug 87902, which changed state. Bug 87902 Summary: Default page margins https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87902 What|Removed |Added Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution|--- |WORKSFORME -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 108569] [META] Page margin bugs and enhancements
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108569 Bug 108569 depends on bug 49529, which changed state. Bug 49529 Summary: UI feature request: Sensible defaults for page margins https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49529 What|Removed |Added Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution|--- |DUPLICATE -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 108569] [META] Page margin bugs and enhancements
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108569 Yousuf Philips (jay) changed: What|Removed |Added Depends on||87902 Referenced Bugs: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87902 [Bug 87902] Default page margins -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108569 Yousuf Philips (jay) changed: What|Removed |Added Depends on||49529 Referenced Bugs: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49529 [Bug 49529] UI feature request: Sensible defaults for page margins -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108569 Yousuf Philips (jay) changed: What|Removed |Added Status|UNCONFIRMED |NEW CC||c...@nouenoff.nl, ||vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu Ever confirmed|0 |1 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs