[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 110003] Lower-case ß is capitalized as SS instead of ẞ

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 110003] Lower-case ß is capitalized as SS instead of ẞ

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 110003] Lower-case ß is capitalized as SS instead of ẞ

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 110003] Lower-case ß is capitalized as SS instead of ẞ

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--- Comment #9 from d-eberhd...@freenet.de ---
(In reply to Stuart Ng from comment #7)
> Hello, is there any expected date as to when this issue might be fix? Or is
> there any work around?
> 
> Thanks,
> Stuart

The workaround for plain capitals is to enter an upper case 'sharp s' U+1E9E
manually (check your keyboard's instruction, in some linuxes with German
keyboard it's: activate capslock, then press 'ß'). Of course, depending on the
font containing the glyph. D.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 110003] Lower-case ß is capitalized as SS instead of ẞ

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--- Comment #8 from d-eberhd...@freenet.de ---
This bug also concerns formatting as 'small caps' (Kapitälchen) - if a proper
name containing U+00DF ('ß' 'sharp s' 'Eszett') is formatted to small caps, the
display of the 'Eszett' changes to double-S, while copy-and-paste shows that
the character in the file is still 'Eszett'. For some proper names this will
visibly falsify the spelling. (Which *is* an issue.) Simply downsizing an upper
case 'Eszett' ẞ (U+1E9E) rather breaks the layout than being a solution. --
Reproduced in LibreOffice Writer 6.4.7.2 --
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gro%C3%9Fes_%C3%9F (Großes_ß) mentions that
according the standard DIN 5008, updated 2020, upper case 'Eszett' is now
preferred over 'SS' or 'SZ'. "Gemäß der 2020 erschienenen Fassung der DIN 5008
„Schreib- und Gestaltungsregeln für die Text- und Informationsverarbeitung“
gilt: „Bei der Verwendung von Großbuchstaben ist das große ẞ der Auflösung in
SS bzw. SZ vorzuziehen“.[15] -- [15] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/DIN_5008 DIN
5008:2020-03, Abschnitt 13 „Hervorhebungen“, Fußnote 5 -- So now there is a
reason to fix it.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 110003] Lower-case ß is capitalized as SS instead of ẞ

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--- Comment #7 from Stuart Ng  ---
Hello, is there any expected date as to when this issue might be fix? Or is
there any work around?

Thanks,
Stuart

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--- Comment #6 from mafanie  ---
While I personally also would prefer to have "uppercase(ß) = ẞ", the new and
old standard still seams to be "uppercase(ß) = SS", see the ISO standard [1],
the Unicode standard [2] and the proposal that added ẞ to the ISO standard [3].
(This seems also to be the meaning of the "Rat für deutsche Rechtschreibung"
which only allows the usage of ẞ, but does not prefer it over the old rule
[4].)

But there is still a minor bug (according to the standards mentioned) related
to ß/ẞ: Currently "lowercase(ẞ) = ẞ", which should be changed to "lowercase(ẞ)
= ß".

[1] ISO/IEC 10646:2014 (E), page 59 and 245
[2] Unicode standard 10.0,
http://www.unicode.org/versions/Unicode10.0.0/UnicodeStandard-10.0.pdf, page
276
[3] http://std.dkuug.dk/jtc1/sc2/wg2/docs/n3227.pdf, page 4
[4]
http://www.rechtschreibrat.com/DOX/rfdr_PM_2017-06-29_Aktualisierung_Regelwerk.pdf,
§25 E3

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 110003] Lower-case ß is capitalized as SS instead of ẞ

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Adolfo Jayme  changed:

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Summary|RFE Choice of replacement   |Lower-case ß is capitalized
   |of ß when capitalized   |as SS instead of ẞ
   |between SS and ẞ|

--- Comment #5 from Adolfo Jayme  ---
Thomas: as said above, we are not looking to add any options for users to
switch between the two capitalizations; we want to embrace the new orthography
and that’s it. A user who wants to use “SS” can just simply type it that way.
And as Heiko says, we need an internal fallback to the old-style capitalization
(as current Google Chrome has) just in case that the user is using a font
lacking the character U+1E9E.

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