[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 111325] Adding a watermark automatically adds a page header

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--- Comment #10 from Bastián Díaz  ---
(In reply to Szymon Kłos from comment #9)
> So issue is: "Adding a watermark moves the document content down" not
> "Adding a watermark automatically adds a page header". I can confirm that.
> 

Yeah, a common user doesn't know the relationship between the header and the
watermark. Moving the content below is a consequence of inserting a header into
LO.

You are free to change the title of the report.

> "When you try to erase the page header, the watermark is also deleted." - I
> see that in MS Office when watermark is inserted then removing the header is
> impossible(only content is deleted). This should be a separate bug report, I
> think.

Ok, although it seems a bigger UX problem because of how LO handles
headers/footers compared to other applications. On the other hand I also
noticed that there is no intuitive way to erase the watermark (deleting content
doesn't delete the header).

Cheers

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 111325] Adding a watermark automatically adds a page header

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--- Comment #9 from Szymon Kłos  ---
So issue is: "Adding a watermark moves the document content down" not "Adding a
watermark automatically adds a page header". I can confirm that.

"When you try to erase the page header, the watermark is also deleted." - I see
that in MS Office when watermark is inserted then removing the header is
impossible(only content is deleted). This should be a separate bug report, I
think.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 111325] Adding a watermark automatically adds a page header

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--- Comment #8 from haevalen...@gmail.com ---
I had a similar problem to the one described here. I had to manually calculate
the top margin so that it was equal to the bottom margin in a printed document
and when using a header I have to manually change the values to match with the
footer.

If it is not possible to improve the UX, at least the header that is added with
the watermark could use the same values of the default style? Both say "default
style" but do not use the same values.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 111325] Adding a watermark automatically adds a page header

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--- Comment #7 from Bastián Díaz  ---
(In reply to Szymon Kłos from comment #6)
> (In reply to Jean-Baptiste Faure from comment #2)
> > Header creation is not visible on the screencast on the blog post by Szymon
> > cited in the 5.4 release notes
> > (https://eszkadev.blogspot.fr/2017/06/watermark-for-libreoffice-writer.html).
> > So I guess it is no intended then it is a bug.
> 
> Header was added, after insertion the content was slightly moved down.
> 
> Watermark is inserted to the page header and that is the root cause. This is
> done for a compatibility with other suites (MS Office also does Watermark
> this way, and adds page header).
> 
> In my opinion: NOTABUG

I understand what you say and I really don't know how this feature works
internally, however, it is different from what you see in other applications.

For example, in MS Office and WPS Office the page header to add a watermark is
completely invisible to the user and therefore a) doesn't modify the size of
the page margin and b) the user can insert/remove headers/footers without
deleting the watermark.

I see as a problem that the user can edit visible elements with unexpected
results, in addition to importing an OOXML document with a watermark to
LibreOffice changes the layout of the same one when adding new elements
(header/footer) modifying the margins, etc.

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Szymon Kłos  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|NEW |RESOLVED
 Resolution|--- |NOTABUG

--- Comment #6 from Szymon Kłos  ---
(In reply to Jean-Baptiste Faure from comment #2)
> Header creation is not visible on the screencast on the blog post by Szymon
> cited in the 5.4 release notes
> (https://eszkadev.blogspot.fr/2017/06/watermark-for-libreoffice-writer.html).
> So I guess it is no intended then it is a bug.

Header was added, after insertion the content was slightly moved down.

Watermark is inserted to the page header and that is the root cause. This is
done for a compatibility with other suites (MS Office also does Watermark this
way, and adds page header).

In my opinion: NOTABUG

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--- Comment #5 from Bastián Díaz  ---
(In reply to m.a.riosv from comment #3)
> But it is not an issue it's how watermark was implemented,

This feature derives from the function of the TSCP standard added in an earlier
version of LO, so I guess that's why the reason for adding a header
automatically, however, is not what is expected for a single watermark feature.

> in fact you don't
> need the watermark option to do the same, but it simplifies to do it a lot
> and makes it visible.
> 

That's the idea! Other office suites offer to add text or an image easily as a
watermark for a while.

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Xisco Faulí  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 CC||szymon.k...@collabora.com,
   ||xiscofa...@libreoffice.org
 Blocks||108540

--- Comment #4 from Xisco Faulí  ---
@Szymon, Could you please comment on this one ?


Referenced Bugs:

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108540
[Bug 108540] [META] Page watermark bugs and enhancements
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m.a.riosv  changed:

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 CC||miguelangelrv@libreoffice.o
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--- Comment #3 from m.a.riosv  ---
But it is not an issue it's how watermark was implemented, in fact you don't
need the watermark option to do the same, but it simplifies to do it a lot and
makes it visible.

http://eszkadev.blogspot.com.es/2017/06/watermark-for-libreoffice-writer.html

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 111325] Adding a watermark automatically adds a page header

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Jean-Baptiste Faure  changed:

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 Status|UNCONFIRMED |NEW
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 Ever confirmed|0   |1

--- Comment #2 from Jean-Baptiste Faure  ---
Reproducible with LO 5.4.1.0.0+ built at home under Ubuntu 16.04 x86-64.
Header creation is not visible on the screencast on the blog post by Szymon
cited in the 5.4 release notes
(https://eszkadev.blogspot.fr/2017/06/watermark-for-libreoffice-writer.html).
So I guess it is no intended then it is a bug.

Set to NEW.

Best regards. JBF

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--- Comment #1 from Bastián Díaz  ---
Created attachment 135116
  --> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=135116=edit
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