[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 113131] Paragraph style: "Next-style"-rule is ignored if paragraph break is at the beginning of or within a paragraph

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--- Comment #21 from Dieter  ---
VERIFIED, see

https://help.libreoffice.org/6.4/en-US/text/shared/01/05040100.html?DbPAR=SHARED#bm_id3153383

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--- Comment #20 from Commit Notification 
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Olivier Hallot committed a patch related to this issue.
It has been pushed to "master":

https://git.libreoffice.org/help/+/1233d11cd9838d0496b75bf919272cfe38fd7b8e%5E%21

tdf#113131 Clarify Next Style for paragraphs.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 113131] Paragraph style: "Next-style"-rule is ignored if paragraph break is at the beginning of or within a paragraph

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 113131] Paragraph style: "Next-style"-rule is ignored if paragraph break is at the beginning of or within a paragraph

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So forwarding to the documentation team.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 113131] Paragraph style: "Next-style"-rule is ignored if paragraph break is at the beginning of or within a paragraph

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Version|6.0.0.0.alpha0+ |Inherited From OOo

--- Comment #17 from Cor Nouws  ---
(In reply to Dieter Praas from comment #16)
> If there won't be an change I propse to precise the documentation
> 
> https://help.libreoffice.org/6.4/en-US/text/shared/01/05040100.
> html?DbPAR=SHARED#bm_id3153383
+1 :)

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 113131] Paragraph style: "Next-style"-rule is ignored if paragraph break is at the beginning of or within a paragraph

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--- Comment #16 from Dieter Praas  ---
(In reply to Thomas Lendo from comment #14)
> A line break within an existing paragraph isn't changing any paragraph style
> as that would break user expectations ("Help! Why is my text changing when I
> hit Enter/Return?!").

I always thought: "Help! Why does the style not change, when I hit Enter/
Return?" Again an example: You have the rule, that a paragraph without indent
is followed by a paragraph with indent. If you want to separate a paragraph
without indent into two paragraphs the next paragraphs should be a paragraph
with indent. But now you have to change paragraph style manually. 

If there won't be an change I propse to precise the documentation

https://help.libreoffice.org/6.4/en-US/text/shared/01/05040100.html?DbPAR=SHARED#bm_id3153383

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 113131] Paragraph style: "Next-style"-rule is ignored if paragraph break is at the beginning of or within a paragraph

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Cor Nouws  changed:

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--- Comment #15 from Cor Nouws  ---
(In reply to Thomas Lendo from comment #14)
> For me, there is no bug and LibreOffice behaves as expected (or as I'm used
> to use it ;-).
> 
> Next paragraph style rule only applies at a new empty following paragraph.
> 
> A line break within an existing paragraph isn't changing any paragraph style
> as that would break user expectations ("Help! Why is my text changing when I
> hit Enter/Return?!").
> 
> A line break at the beginning of a paragraph should also not change anything
> as the rule is named "next style". There must be made a new option "previous
> style" to fulfill this expectation. And it's not sure that the same is
> wanted for following and previous paragraph styles., so we should not assume
> that.

Sounds very much OK to me!

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 113131] Paragraph style: "Next-style"-rule is ignored if paragraph break is at the beginning of or within a paragraph

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Dieter Praas  changed:

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   Keywords||needsUXEval
 CC||libreoffice-ux-advise@lists
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--- Comment #13 from Dieter Praas  ---
Still the same behaviour in

Version: 6.3.0.0.alpha1+ (x64)
Build ID: e92dcfdc7bd7b237e0bee26ff226a102d9e8e766
CPU threads: 4; OS: Windows 10.0; UI render: default; VCL: win; 
TinderBox: Win-x86_64@42, Branch:master, Time: 2019-05-14_00:00:57
Locale: en-US (de_DE); UI-Language: en-US
Calc: threaded

I'm still convinced, that this behaviouris not consistent.
cc: Design Team to come to a final decision.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 113131] Paragraph style: "Next-style"-rule is ignored if paragraph break is at the beginning of or within a paragraph

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--- Comment #12 from Dieter Praas  ---
(In reply to Xisco Faulí from comment #11)
> @Dieter, so should we still consider this a bug ?

I would say "yes", bcause for me it is an unconsistent behaviour. I give an
example:
When I write an article or a book, every chapter or sub-chapter starts with a
paragraph with no indent; there's the rule, that every further paragraph has an
indent. If I seperate the first parapgraph, the new paragraph has no indent.
That's an undesired and inconsistent behaviour.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 113131] Paragraph style: "Next-style"-rule is ignored if paragraph break is at the beginning of or within a paragraph

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Xisco Faulí  changed:

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--- Comment #11 from Xisco Faulí  ---
(In reply to Dieter Praas from comment #10)
> Now the behaviour is more clear to me. If you
> a) Press Enter at the end of a paragraph, the "next-style-rule" is applied
> b) Press Enter at the beginning or within the paragraph "next-style-rule" is
> ignored (=> I changed the bug summary)
> 
> I would expect, that the "next-style-rule" is applied always, if you add a
> new paragraph.

@Dieter, so should we still consider this a bug ?

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 113131] Paragraph style: "Next-style"-rule is ignored if paragraph break is at the beginning of or within a paragraph

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Dieter Praas  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

Summary|Paragraph style:|Paragraph style:
   |"Next-style"-rule is|"Next-style"-rule is
   |ignored |ignored if paragraph break
   ||is at the beginning of or
   ||within a paragraph

--- Comment #10 from Dieter Praas  ---
Now the behaviour is more clear to me. If you
a) Press Enter at the end of a paragraph, the "next-style-rule" is applied
b) Press Enter at the beginning or within the paragraph "next-style-rule" is
ignored (=> I changed the bug summary)

I would expect, that the "next-style-rule" is applied always, if you add a new
paragraph.

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--- Comment #9 from ajlittoz  ---
(In reply to Dieter Praas from comment #8)
> (In reply to Regina Henschel from comment #2)
> 
> Did you press 'Enter' with the cursor within the text or at the end of the
> paragraph? When the cursor is at the end of the paragraph the alternating
> works. But with the cursor within the paragraph it doesn't. That is
> something I wouldn't expect.

I think it is part of the specification. At least, I'm satisfied with it.

If I break a paragraph with the cursor of the middle of it, I expect 2
paragraphs with the original style. This is convenient to redistribute text.

To apply the next-style rule, I intentionally put the cursor at end of
paragraph before hitting Enter.

This means if I want to keep only the first sentence or few words of a
paragraph in the original style and have the rest in tne "next Style"
formatting, I must perform two operations: break the paragraph, restyle the
tail with the paragraph style menu.

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--- Comment #8 from Dieter Praas  ---
(In reply to Regina Henschel from comment #2)
> I cannot confirm it. For me the alternating between the paragraph styles
> works. I use Version: 6.0.0.0.alpha0+

Did you press 'Enter' with the cursor within the text or at the end of the
paragraph? When the cursor is at the end of the paragraph the alternating
works. But with the cursor within the paragraph it doesn't. That is something I
wouldn't expect.

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--- Comment #7 from Buovjaga  ---
(In reply to Dieter Praas from comment #6)
> For paragraph styles, the next style is applied to the paragraph
> that is created when you press Enter.

But that kind of distinguishes it from pre-existing material.. ie. the empty,
newly created paragraph does get the style. We are in semantic territory..

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--- Comment #6 from Dieter Praas  ---
Regarding to LO-help I would expect, it is only necessary to press 'Enter'
once. In a lot of my documents it works in this way very well, but in some it
doesn't.

Next Style
Select an existing style that you want to follow the current style in your
document. For paragraph styles, the next style is applied to the paragraph that
is created when you press Enter. For page styles, the next style is applied
when a new page is created.

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--- Comment #5 from Buovjaga  ---
(In reply to Dieter Praas from comment #4)
> I put the cursor somewhere in the text and press enter - that's it. There
> are some documents, where I have no problems, and some, where the
> "next-style-rule" is ignored.

Even if I do it from scratch I always have to hit enter *twice* before the
style changes (for the new, empty paragraph).

Regina: what do you think is the expected behaviour?

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--- Comment #4 from Dieter Praas  ---
I put the cursor somewhere in the text and press enter - that's it. There are
some documents, where I have no problems, and some, where the "next-style-rule"
is ignored.

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--- Comment #3 from Buovjaga  ---
Dieter: how do you add the breaks? If I hit enter twice, it changes the style.
Do you mean it should change style upon hitting enter once?

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Regina Henschel  changed:

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--- Comment #2 from Regina Henschel  ---
I cannot confirm it. For me the alternating between the paragraph styles works.
I use Version: 6.0.0.0.alpha0+
Build ID: b567cfb980435df131d776915bce9152135bdf0f
CPU threads: 4; OS: Windows 6.1; UI render: default; 
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Dieter Praas  changed:

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   ||tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11
   ||2511
 Blocks||107833

--- Comment #1 from Dieter Praas  ---
Perhaps bug 112511 is only a special case of the bug reported here.


Referenced Bugs:

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=107833
[Bug 107833] [META] Writer paragraph style bugs and enhancements
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