[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 114085] Allow to set page break's page number, without also setting page style.

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--- Comment #18 from Hossein  ---
Re-evaluating the EasyHack in 2023

This enhancement is still relevant. With the latest LO 24.2 dev master, it is
still not possible to set page number in page break dialog, without also
setting page style. When "Page Style" is set to "None", you can not use "Change
page number".

Go to "Insert > More Breaks > Manual Break...".

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--- Comment #17 from Mike Kaganski  ---
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #16)

This was meant for myself :-)

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--- Comment #16 from Heiko Tietze  ---
(In reply to Mike Kaganski from comment #15)
> Code pointers:

So let's see who picks this up.

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--- Comment #15 from Mike Kaganski  ---
Code pointers:
* class SwFormatPageDesc
* XMLPropStyleContext::CreateAndInsert (ODF import; see
XML_STYLE_FAMILY_TEXT_PARAGRAPH)

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--- Comment #14 from Regina Henschel  ---
I'm only very cautious in regard to new features, because I (or Michael) will
have to write the specification text and to defend the change in the ODF TC.
But if you think it is useful for ordinary users and Mike will implement it,
then NEW is OK for me.

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--- Comment #13 from Dieter Praas  ---
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #12)
> But the previous
> comments go towards WONTFIX, and a workarounds are there. So what can we do?

I only could see this tendency in Reginas comment. the workaround is only for
very experienced users. So I vote for NEW.

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--- Comment #12 from Heiko Tietze  ---
(In reply to Dieter Praas from comment #11)
> I support your idea, Mike. Perhaps it's a question to the design team.

I agree with Mike that it is a weird situation from UX POV. But the previous
comments go towards WONTFIX, and a workarounds are there. So what can we do?

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--- Comment #11 from Dieter Praas  ---
I support your idea, Mike. Perhaps it's a question to the design team.

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--- Comment #10 from Mike Kaganski  ---
(In reply to Regina Henschel from comment #9)
> Why is such feature important?

I have been helping users at my prior job; and I always saw the confusion about
why they need to define page styles when they want to set a page number. I also
see the constant questions on Ask site, where people are confused why, when
they apply a page style, it only applies to some small section of the document.
This is a very real usability issue, which actually shows a bad design (what is
the rationale behind linking together the unrelated concepts of assigning page
styles and assigning page numbers to a paragraph?).

> Are you going to implement it?

Well - quite possibly (if the recommended approach would not be over my head
:-)). I am the one who asked for that in the first place :-)

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--- Comment #9 from Regina Henschel  ---
Why is such feature important? Are you going to implement it?

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--- Comment #8 from Mike Kaganski  ---
(In reply to Regina Henschel from comment #7)
> You can use the custom page number. It is one of the "variables" of the
> "Fields" (shortcut Ctrl+F2). To restart numbering with 1 use "Set page
> variable" with value "on" at the start of the first paragraph after the page
> break. To show the page number e.g. in the header use "Show page variable".

The question is not about workarounds: any workaround would be inappropriate in
some ways, like using in ToCs or cross-references. That isn't a user question
"How do I do this?" either. This is a proposal to enhance the functionality, in
particular, to allow a range of pages *with breaks with page number resets* to
share a single page style, with possibility to change the style in *one single
place* (at the beginning of the range, without the need to go through all the
places where page numbers are reset).

> The evaluation of attribute style:page-number of a paragraph/table style is
> restricted to the case, that the paragraph/table style specifies a master
> page to be used. As far as I remember, there had been no discussion in ODF
> TC to evaluate it too in case an attribute fo:break-before or fo:break-after
> exists. At least I do not find any suitable Jira issue.

So I suppose that the idea of this request is to provoke such discussion and
create such Jira issue :-)

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--- Comment #7 from Regina Henschel  ---
You can use the custom page number. It is one of the "variables" of the
"Fields" (shortcut Ctrl+F2). To restart numbering with 1 use "Set page
variable" with value "on" at the start of the first paragraph after the page
break. To show the page number e.g. in the header use "Show page variable".

The evaluation of attribute style:page-number of a paragraph/table style is
restricted to the case, that the paragraph/table style specifies a master page
to be used. As far as I remember, there had been no discussion in ODF TC to
evaluate it too in case an attribute fo:break-before or fo:break-after exists.
At least I do not find any suitable Jira issue.

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--- Comment #6 from Xisco Faulí  ---
(In reply to Mike Kaganski from comment #5)
> Unless somebody (Regina?) finds a way to make this into the standard (or a
> way to use existing standard's features for this), this should be WONTFIX...

@Regina, any opinion here?

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--- Comment #5 from Mike Kaganski  ---
Unless somebody (Regina?) finds a way to make this into the standard (or a way
to use existing standard's features for this), this should be WONTFIX...

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--- Comment #4 from Dieter Praas  ---
(In reply to Xisco Faulí from comment #3)
> @Mike, @Michael, How should be proceed here? Should it be moved to NEW or to
> RESOLVED WONTFIX ? Could you please clarify ?

Set to NEEDINFO because of comment 3.

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--- Comment #3 from Xisco Faulí  ---
@Mike, @Michael, How should be proceed here? Should it be moved to NEW or to
RESOLVED WONTFIX ? Could you please clarify ?

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--- Comment #2 from Michael Stahl  ---
just remembered that there is a somewhat related issue:

Clarify how master-page-break and fo:break-before resp. fo:break:after interact
https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/OFFICE-2103

unfortunately this wasn't actually resolved and by now i forgot it all but i
don't think there was any discussion of style:page-number attribute.

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--- Comment #1 from Michael Stahl  ---


20.320 style:page-number
The style:page-number attribute specifies the page number that should be used
for a new page when either a paragraph or table style specifies a master page
that should be applied beginning from the start of a paragraph or table.


apparently this is currently not permitted - the page number is tied to the
page style name.

the interesting question is, are there existing documents that have the
style:page-number attribute on a style but not the style:master-page-name one.

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