[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 114395] [Math] Reorganize four dialogues from menu Format in to one dialogue

[bugzilla-daemon]

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114395

Roman Kuznetsov <79045_79...@mail.ru> changed:

   What|Removed |Added

   See Also||https://bugs.documentfounda
   ||tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14
   ||1490

-- 
You are receiving this mail because:
You are the assignee for the bug.___
Libreoffice-bugs mailing list
Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org
https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs

[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 114395] [Math] Reorganize four dialogues from menu Format in to one dialogue

[bugzilla-daemon]

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114395

dante19031...@gmail.com changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|ASSIGNED|NEW
   Assignee|dante19031...@gmail.com |libreoffice-b...@lists.free
   ||desktop.org

--- Comment #16 from dante19031...@gmail.com ---
Sorry, but it's way too difficult for me.

-- 
You are receiving this mail because:
You are the assignee for the bug.___
Libreoffice-bugs mailing list
Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org
https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs

[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 114395] [Math] Reorganize four dialogues from menu Format in to one dialogue

[bugzilla-daemon]

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114395

dante19031...@gmail.com changed:

   What|Removed |Added

   Assignee|libreoffice-b...@lists.free |dante19031...@gmail.com
   |desktop.org |

-- 
You are receiving this mail because:
You are the assignee for the bug.___
Libreoffice-bugs mailing list
Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org
https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs

[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 114395] [Math] Reorganize four dialogues from menu Format in to one dialogue

[bugzilla-daemon]

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114395

Roman Kuznetsov <79045_79...@mail.ru> changed:

   What|Removed |Added

   See Also||https://bugs.documentfounda
   ||tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12
   ||5931

-- 
You are receiving this mail because:
You are the assignee for the bug.___
Libreoffice-bugs mailing list
Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org
https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs

[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 114395] [Math] Reorganize four dialogues from menu Format in to one dialogue

[bugzilla-daemon]

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114395

V Stuart Foote  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

   See Also||https://bugs.documentfounda
   ||tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12
   ||1484

-- 
You are receiving this mail because:
You are the assignee for the bug.___
Libreoffice-bugs mailing list
Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org
https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs

[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 114395] [Math] Reorganize four dialogues from menu Format in to one dialogue

[bugzilla-daemon]

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114395

Yousuf Philips (jay)  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

   See Also|https://bugs.documentfounda |
   |tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11 |
   |5350|

-- 
You are receiving this mail because:
You are the assignee for the bug.___
Libreoffice-bugs mailing list
Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org
https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs

[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 114395] [Math] Reorganize four dialogues from menu Format in to one dialogue

[bugzilla-daemon]

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114395

Heiko Tietze  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

   See Also||https://bugs.documentfounda
   ||tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11
   ||5350

-- 
You are receiving this mail because:
You are the assignee for the bug.___
Libreoffice-bugs mailing list
Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org
https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs

[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 114395] [Math] Reorganize four dialogues from menu Format in to one dialogue

[bugzilla-daemon]

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114395

Heiko Tietze  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

   Keywords|needsUXEval |
 CC||tietze.he...@gmail.com

-- 
You are receiving this mail because:
You are the assignee for the bug.___
Libreoffice-bugs mailing list
Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org
https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs

[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 114395] [Math] Reorganize four dialogues from menu Format in to one dialogue

[bugzilla-daemon]

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114395

--- Comment #15 from Heiko Tietze  ---
Created attachment 139478
  --> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=139478=edit
Proposal for a redesign

We discussed the idea in the design meeting. Ideally the dialog provides an
overview of the categories with the options to inline modify it. A real preview
shows the result. 

Second tab lists to spacing categories and the respective options (can change).
Again a real preview would be nice.

Default allows to save the current settings (both tabs) as new default or to
restore the original values.

-- 
You are receiving this mail because:
You are the assignee for the bug.___
Libreoffice-bugs mailing list
Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org
https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs

[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 114395] [Math] Reorganize four dialogues from menu Format in to one dialogue

[bugzilla-daemon]

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114395

Heiko Tietze  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Attachment #138520|0   |1
is obsolete||

-- 
You are receiving this mail because:
You are the assignee for the bug.___
Libreoffice-bugs mailing list
Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org
https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs

[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 114395] [Math] Reorganize four dialogues from menu Format in to one dialogue

[bugzilla-daemon]

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114395

Heiko Tietze  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 CC||ddora...@dmaths.org

--- Comment #14 from Heiko Tietze  ---
There is a well-known extension for math, documented at http://dmaths.org/.
Didier, what do you think about the suggestion? The plan is to discuss it
tomorrow.

-- 
You are receiving this mail because:
You are the assignee for the bug.___
Libreoffice-bugs mailing list
Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org
https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs

[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 114395] [Math] Reorganize four dialogues from menu Format in to one dialogue

[bugzilla-daemon]

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114395

Thomas Lendo  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Blocks||102019, 39750


Referenced Bugs:

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=39750
[Bug 39750] [META] General Math formula editor improvements
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=102019
[Bug 102019] [META] Dialog bugs and enhancements
-- 
You are receiving this mail because:
You are the assignee for the bug.___
Libreoffice-bugs mailing list
Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org
https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs

[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 114395] [Math] Reorganize four dialogues from menu Format in to one dialogue

[bugzilla-daemon]

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114395

cson...@halmai.hu changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 CC||cson...@halmai.hu

--- Comment #13 from cson...@halmai.hu ---
Created attachment 138544
  --> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=138544=edit
Openable/collapsable tree for spacing settings

-- 
You are receiving this mail because:
You are the assignee for the bug.___
Libreoffice-bugs mailing list
Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org
https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs

[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 114395] [Math] Reorganize four dialogues from menu Format in to one dialogue

[bugzilla-daemon]

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114395

--- Comment #12 from cson...@halmai.hu ---
If we put all the spacing-related settings into an openable/collapsable tree
then the window size can remain small. 

See the attached openable_tree_for_spacing.png. (Sorry for utilizing existing
mocks and extending with my ugly browser-grabbed part:))

When the user opens the large composed window the first time, with the tree in
the upper right section, then all the branches of the tree are closed. When
they start to open/close branches then the vertical scrollbar may appear if
there are too many branches open. 

When the user returns to this dialog then they find the same branches open as
they left them last time.


This solution is a space-efficient, easy-to-use and it can be familiar for
everybody who saw an installer where they can determine which sub-components to
install.

-- 
You are receiving this mail because:
You are the assignee for the bug.___
Libreoffice-bugs mailing list
Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org
https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs

[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 114395] [Math] Reorganize four dialogues from menu Format in to one dialogue

[bugzilla-daemon]

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114395

--- Comment #11 from Heiko Tietze  ---
(In reply to Regina Henschel from comment #9)
> Settings below the Help-OK-Cancel line are unusual.

(In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #10)
> The "Scale all brackets" checkbox and its "Excess size" control should be
> added to the body of Spacing tab when the Brackets category is active.

These options show up only for Brackets- and of course with the other
properties then.

-- 
You are receiving this mail because:
You are the assignee for the bug.___
Libreoffice-bugs mailing list
Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org
https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs

[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 114395] [Math] Reorganize four dialogues from menu Format in to one dialogue

[bugzilla-daemon]

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114395

--- Comment #10 from V Stuart Foote  ---
A Preview image on the Font selection panel would be a useful enhancement (new
code) +1 

But the static image annotating the node spacing being adjusted are essential
to the UI. Otherwise generating a preview on the Spacing tab (new code) would
be almost useless. Just continue to use the static guide images, maybe not
label it Preview.

Font Size still needs its own set of controls. Once the font is selected, a
base size must be set--as that base is used in scaling each component type of a
formula node; i.e. Text, Indexes, Functions, Operators, Limits. And here a
preview (new code) would be helpful--so Font Size would probably do best on its
own tab.

A "Reset" button (new code) would be an improvement--as the "Default" button
action now will query if user chooses to apply current settings (Fonts, Sizes,
Spacings) as default for all new formulas. Once made there is no way to return
to LO defaults short of clearing user profile (or directly editing
registrymodifications.xcu profile to remove all ...Math/StandardFormat
stanzas).

The "Scale all brackets" checkbox and its "Excess size" control should be added
to the body of Spacing tab when the Brackets category is active.

-- 
You are receiving this mail because:
You are the assignee for the bug.___
Libreoffice-bugs mailing list
Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org
https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs

[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 114395] [Math] Reorganize four dialogues from menu Format in to one dialogue

[bugzilla-daemon]

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114395

--- Comment #9 from Regina Henschel  ---
The lists with visible items are better than the current drop-down lists.

But I see still problems:
The font tab misses the base size.
The "Default" button is _not_ a reset button. Such "reset" is missing in the
current dialog.
Settings below the Help-OK-Cancel line are unusual.
In the current dialog the image in the spacing dialogs is not a "preview" which
will adapt to the settings. It is a static image, which shows, which distance
is affected.

-- 
You are receiving this mail because:
You are the assignee for the bug.___
Libreoffice-bugs mailing list
Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org
https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs

[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 114395] [Math] Reorganize four dialogues from menu Format in to one dialogue

[bugzilla-daemon]

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114395

--- Comment #8 from Heiko Tietze  ---
Created attachment 138520
  --> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=138520=edit
Alternative mockup #1

Planning this for the design meeting tomorrow and prepared an alternative
layout. Pencil source is available at 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:20171219_MathDialogs.epgz.zip (epgz
are now accepted).

-- 
You are receiving this mail because:
You are the assignee for the bug.___
Libreoffice-bugs mailing list
Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org
https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs

[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 114395] [Math] Reorganize four dialogues from menu Format in to one dialogue

[bugzilla-daemon]

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114395

--- Comment #7 from Regina Henschel  ---
Special problems in the proposal 2017-12-17, but see below too:

(A) "Modify" for Fonts is a drop-down-list not a button. A click on an item in
that list opens a new dialog.

(B) "Default" for alignment is lost.

(C) "Default" for spacing does no longer apply to single Spacing categories.

(D) It is not clear, what "Excess Size" for "Scale all Brackets" means, because
the image, which explains it in the current dialog, is missing.

(E) "Spaces" has a different meaning than "Spacing". Here it is "Spacing".

(F) The scope of "Scale all Brackets" is unclear. Using that option for all new
documents is no longer possible, because its "Default" button is missing.



I see no advantage or improvement compared to the current implementation.

The proposal does not address current problems. Such problems are IMO e.g.: 

(1) The drop-down-list at the single font categories does not open a list of
the installed fonts, but a list of the fonts which has been already set in the
current session.

(2) "Modify" for Fonts has two steps, first selecting the font-category, then
selecting font and style.

(3) The buttons "Default" are unclear until you use them. The label "Default"
creates the impression, that changes, which the user has made are reverted and
the default settings of LibreOffice are used. But it is the other way round,
the user settings become default for new formulas.

(4) The scope of "Default" is unclear, which "new" formulas are affected? In
current module or in all modules? In current session or in future sessions too?

(5) "Spacing" has two steps, first selecting the category, then making the
changes.

(6) Reset to "factory defaults" is missing.

(7) There exists no way to use different sets of settings for the individual
modules. For example Writer needs always different font settings than Impress.
Even a simple save/load settings is missing.

-- 
You are receiving this mail because:
You are the assignee for the bug.___
Libreoffice-bugs mailing list
Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org
https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs

[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 114395] [Math] Reorganize four dialogues from menu Format in to one dialogue

[bugzilla-daemon]

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114395

--- Comment #6 from kompilainenn <79045_79...@mail.ru> ---
Created attachment 138489
  --> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=138489=edit
One normal dialogue Format with two tabs (mockup)

Add mockup "One normal dialogue Format with two tabs"

-- 
You are receiving this mail because:
You are the assignee for the bug.___
Libreoffice-bugs mailing list
Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org
https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs

[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 114395] [Math] Reorganize four dialogues from menu Format in to one dialogue

[bugzilla-daemon]

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114395

--- Comment #5 from kompilainenn <79045_79...@mail.ru> ---
(In reply to Regina Henschel from comment #3)
> I'm not happy with integrating the "Spacing" dialog. The "Spacing" dialog is
> very large in itself and has the shortcoming, that you always need to first
> chose the category, because the last selection is not remembered. My
> suggestion is, to make a separate dialog for "Spacing" and perhaps put each
> category in an own tab, and remember the tab.

If we'll make "Spacing" without drop-down list "Category", then this section
really will be huge.

> Please make the dialog-windows not too large. LibreOffice should work on
> 1024x768 netbooks too.

not more than any dialog for customization of formatting

-- 
You are receiving this mail because:
You are the assignee for the bug.___
Libreoffice-bugs mailing list
Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org
https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs

[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 114395] [Math] Reorganize four dialogues from menu Format in to one dialogue

[bugzilla-daemon]

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114395

--- Comment #4 from Heiko Tietze  ---
(In reply to Regina Henschel from comment #3)
> It is a checkbox in dialog Spacing, category Brackets.

OMG! And now I understand your category argument, but we can easily find a
better solution, for instance a list.

-- 
You are receiving this mail because:
You are the assignee for the bug.___
Libreoffice-bugs mailing list
Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org
https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs

[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 114395] [Math] Reorganize four dialogues from menu Format in to one dialogue

[bugzilla-daemon]

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114395

Regina Henschel  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 CC||rb.hensc...@t-online.de

--- Comment #3 from Regina Henschel  ---
I'm not happy with integrating the "Spacing" dialog. The "Spacing" dialog is
very large in itself and has the shortcoming, that you always need to first
chose the category, because the last selection is not remembered. My suggestion
is, to make a separate dialog for "Spacing" and perhaps put each category in an
own tab, and remember the tab.

> Attached image shows the current dialogs- I wonder where 'Scale all
> brackets' comes from.
It is a checkbox in dialog Spacing, category Brackets.

Please make the dialog-windows not too large. LibreOffice should work on
1024x768 netbooks too.

-- 
You are receiving this mail because:
You are the assignee for the bug.___
Libreoffice-bugs mailing list
Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org
https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs

[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 114395] [Math] Reorganize four dialogues from menu Format in to one dialogue

[bugzilla-daemon]

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114395

Heiko Tietze  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|UNCONFIRMED |NEW
  Component|UI  |Formula Editor
 Ever confirmed|0   |1

-- 
You are receiving this mail because:
You are the assignee for the bug.___
Libreoffice-bugs mailing list
Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org
https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs

[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 114395] [Math] Reorganize four dialogues from menu Format in to one dialogue

[bugzilla-daemon]

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114395

--- Comment #2 from Heiko Tietze  ---
Created attachment 138361
  --> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=138361=edit
Current situation with many dialogs

We should definitely consider to merge the many dialogs into one. But rather
than your approach with a couple of separate sections on one page I suggest to
go with tabs. Spacing and Alignment could be merged.

Attached image shows the current dialogs- I wonder where 'Scale all brackets'
comes from.

-- 
You are receiving this mail because:
You are the assignee for the bug.___
Libreoffice-bugs mailing list
Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org
https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs

[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 114395] [Math] Reorganize four dialogues from menu Format in to one dialogue

[bugzilla-daemon]

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114395

kompilainenn <79045_79...@mail.ru> changed:

   What|Removed |Added

   Keywords||needsUXEval

-- 
You are receiving this mail because:
You are the assignee for the bug.___
Libreoffice-bugs mailing list
Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org
https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs

[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 114395] [Math] Reorganize four dialogues from menu Format in to one dialogue

[bugzilla-daemon]

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114395

--- Comment #1 from kompilainenn <79045_79...@mail.ru> ---
Created attachment 138351
  --> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=138351=edit
One normal dialogue Format (mockup)

-- 
You are receiving this mail because:
You are the assignee for the bug.___
Libreoffice-bugs mailing list
Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org
https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs