[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 115439] High DPI mode: SVG icons should be preferred over PNG versions when available (comment 34)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=115439 Sierk Bornemann changed: What|Removed |Added See Also||https://bugs.documentfounda ||tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15 ||0973 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 115439] High DPI mode: SVG icons should be preferred over PNG versions when available (comment 34)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=115439 V Stuart Foote changed: What|Removed |Added See Also||https://bugs.documentfounda ||tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14 ||4583 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 115439] High DPI mode: SVG icons should be preferred over PNG versions when available (comment 34)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=115439 --- Comment #53 from Tomaz Vajngerl --- (In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #50) > (In reply to bugzilla2 from comment #49) > > So guess we would add additional bracketing for a 25% increment in scale > factoring. Like this maybe: > > nDPI > 264 > 300 (so 3.0x) > nDPI > 240 > 275 (so 2.75x) > nDPI > 216 > 250 (so 2.5x) > nDPI > 192 > 225 (so 2.25x) > nDPI > 168 > 200 (so 2.0x) > nDPI > 144 > 175 (so 1.75x) > nDPI > 120 > 150 (so 1.5x) > otherwise > 100 (or unscaled and using the prebuilt PNG) > > @Tomaž -- what do you think. Looks easy hackable, but will the current SVG > to PNG resampling suffice to generate usable icon themes at the 25% > increments? And any other places in the UI that 25% increments would cause > problems? SVG icons shouldn't be a problem - if they are rendered properly. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 115439] High DPI mode: SVG icons should be preferred over PNG versions when available (comment 34)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=115439 --- Comment #52 from V Stuart Foote --- (In reply to Renato S. Yamane from comment #51) > Just to remember this bug was happening also at 100% scale as you can see on > the Ckmment below with an screenshot: > > https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=117158#c4 > > I cannot test anymore, because I switched back to MS Office. That was never confirmed and in the screen clips provided the LO icons are clearly not 100% or 150% of the native FHD mode--they've been scaled poorly. The Yoga L380 in use does have a native screen DPI of ~165dpi, so believe it does scale the PNG icons to a higher scale--look in %APPDATA%\LibreOffice\4\cache\Colibre and if 150 shows the PNG rasters were scaled larger (with the pixilation noted). To avoid similar on HiDPI displays close to this resolution, *simply* make a selection of an SVG based icon theme. Do not use the default PNG based icon theme. Anyhow, the set of pre-installed non-SVG icon themes render cleanly from 100 to 150 pct scaling, starting to pixelate above 150 pct. If on a HiDPI display, or working at higher scaling 150 - 300% first use Tools -> Options -> View and switch to the bundled SVG icon sets which will then be resampled into clean PNG sized as needed. A useful enhancement at this point might be to detect and switch from the PNG icon themes to SVG theme when at a higher scaling factor is in use--i.e. avoid scaling the PNG. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 115439] High DPI mode: SVG icons should be preferred over PNG versions when available (comment 34)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=115439 --- Comment #51 from Renato S. Yamane --- Just to remember this bug was happening also at 100% scale as you can see on the Ckmment below with an screenshot: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=117158#c4 I cannot test anymore, because I switched back to MS Office. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 115439] High DPI mode: SVG icons should be preferred over PNG versions when available (comment 34)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=115439 V Stuart Foote changed: What|Removed |Added CC||qui...@gmail.com --- Comment #50 from V Stuart Foote --- (In reply to bugzilla2 from comment #49) So guess we would add additional bracketing for a 25% increment in scale factoring. Like this maybe: nDPI > 264 300 (so 3.0x) nDPI > 240 275 (so 2.75x) nDPI > 216 250 (so 2.5x) nDPI > 192 225 (so 2.25x) nDPI > 168 200 (so 2.0x) nDPI > 144 175 (so 1.75x) nDPI > 120 150 (so 1.5x) otherwise 100 (or unscaled and using the prebuilt PNG) @Tomaž -- what do you think. Looks easy hackable, but will the current SVG to PNG resampling suffice to generate usable icon themes at the 25% increments? And any other places in the UI that 25% increments would cause problems? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 115439] High DPI mode: SVG icons should be preferred over PNG versions when available (comment 34)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=115439 --- Comment #49 from bugzil...@cb-computerservice.at --- Thanks for the explanation :) That sounds not so bad, but LibO really should offer the same "steps" as the Host-OS (in my case Windows) does, that means 25% steps, not only 50% steps on Windows. Otherwise the Icons look to small or to big on 175% Scale for example. And not only the Icons itself, also the spaces between them (other bugs show that problem). -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 115439] High DPI mode: SVG icons should be preferred over PNG versions when available (comment 34)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=115439 --- Comment #48 from V Stuart Foote --- (In reply to bugzilla2 from comment #47) > And can you explain that sentence further: > "The mechanism for "detection" of HiDPI is "thresholded" at 168 dpi." > I'm not sure what that means. See the source for CountDPIScaleFactor() [1]. It previously was a single threshold of >168dpi; and that got changed to a mix of dpi and scale factor for bug 100164 for non-macOS builds with [2] So current thresholding is: nDPI > 216 250 (so 2.5x) nDPI > 168 200 (so 2.0x) nDPI > 120 150 (so 1.5x) otherwise 100 (or unscaled) IIUC macOS passes usable dpi details, so does not need the mixed dpi & scale percentage. Also the nDPI is not the actual hardware provided dpi, rather it is a calculated dpi that the os/DE is reporting--e.g. on Windows the Custom Scaling value, or with use of fractional scaling on your Linux DE. =-ref-= [1] https://opengrok.libreoffice.org/xref/core/vcl/source/window/window.cxx?a=true=1df81daa=924#919 [2] https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/c/core/+/30379/ -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 115439] High DPI mode: SVG icons should be preferred over PNG versions when available (comment 34)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=115439 --- Comment #47 from bugzil...@cb-computerservice.at --- I did some comparisons between png and svg and Stuart is right, up to 150% the png looks better then the svg. But over 150% scale, the svg looks dramatically better then the png. So can't we male SVG default when scale-factor is over 150%? Sure we can say: "you can switch it manually in Preferences", but thats not "nice" for new Users that maybe have a first look into LibreOffice (because maybe they want to change from Microsoft Office) and then say: "oh my god, that looks terrible, not thanks, I'll stick to MSO. It may take years for those ppl to make another try, if ever. And I do believe, that there are even many longterm LibreOffice Users, that might not know that they can "fix" ugly Icons on HiDPI Monitors by swichtching Icon-Sets... And can you explain that sentence further: "The mechanism for "detection" of HiDPI is "thresholded" at 168 dpi." I'm not sure what that means. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 115439] High DPI mode: SVG icons should be preferred over PNG versions when available (comment 34)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=115439 --- Comment #46 from V Stuart Foote --- So just need to do it manually when UI is scaled >= 175%, the automated resampling and rendering of the SVG *remains* inferior to the project's deployed PNG at the default 100%, i.e. 96dpi resolution. When and if the project can refactor to more effectively use the SVG icon sets, the real issue here, that will change. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 115439] High DPI mode: SVG icons should be preferred over PNG versions when available (comment 34)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=115439 V Stuart Foote changed: What|Removed |Added Summary|High DPI mode: SVG icons|High DPI mode: SVG icons |should be preferred over|should be preferred over |PNG versions when available |PNG versions when available ||(comment 34) --- Comment #45 from V Stuart Foote --- (In reply to bugzilla2 from comment #44) > Ok,time for an update here too :) > I use SVG-Icons quite a long time now, and for me those always look better > than the png versions. I just did an comparison, and the png-version really > looks terrible on an high-dpi monitor with 175% scale. > > As far as I remember, SVG primarily was an issue on Linux? So can't we just > make SVG default on Windows? Not at all! There is no means currently to directly render the SVG into the GUI, meaning they will always be rendered to a bitmap and held in config (per user profile) for the display resolution in use. Look in %APPDATA%\LibreOffice\4\cache for the entire SVG icon theme rendered to PNG at scale. For performance the entire SVG of the active icon theme is parsed and the corresponding PNGs built on first launch. The project deploys resolution appropriate 100% (so 96pdi) scaled PNG at three icon sizes small (sc 16x16) large (lc 24x24) and extra large (32 32x32). They are hand lay ups from the source SVG. They render correctly for most non-HDPI/non-scaledUI and remain appropriate for UI or os/DE scaling up to about 150%. They then start to look pixelated at 150% or above. Since 96-120dpi displays remains the norm for the vast majority of users there is no justification for doing more with the SVG. Only if your os/DE is being scaled (as response to HiDPI, or by user setting) does it make sense to use SVG. Do it manually, the automated resampling and rendering of the SVG is inferior to the system deployed PNG at the default 100%, i.e. 96dpi resolution. The mechanism for "detection" of HiDPI (and so automated use of a resampled set of SVG icons)is "thresholded" at 168 dpi. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 115439] High DPI mode: SVG icons should be preferred over PNG versions when available
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=115439 --- Comment #44 from bugzil...@cb-computerservice.at --- Ok,time for an update here too :) I use SVG-Icons quite a long time now, and for me those always look better than the png versions. I just did an comparison, and the png-version really looks terrible on an high-dpi monitor with 175% scale. As far as I remember, SVG primarily was an issue on Linux? So can't we just make SVG default on Windows? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 115439] High DPI mode: SVG icons should be preferred over PNG versions when available
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=115439 --- Comment #43 from bugzil...@cb-computerservice.at --- Ok,time for an update here too :) I use SVG-Icons quite a long time now, and for me those always look better than the png versions. I just did an comparison, and the png-version really looks terrible on an high-dpi monitor with 175% scale. As far as I remember, SVG primarily was an issue on Linux? So can't we just make SVG default on Windows? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 115439] High DPI mode: SVG icons should be preferred over PNG versions when available
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=115439 --- Comment #42 from ro --- Confirming blurry SVG (as well as PNG) icons. Libreoffice 7.0.4.2 Ubuntu 20.04 Xfce4 4.16 4K-Screen@3840x2160 Xfce4 set to 2x window scaling Probably helpful to narrow down this issue: In general, even PNG icons are rendered correctly with most applications (Firefox, Evolution, Pluma, all XFCE4 UI) - however, the same effect happens with Thunar, where replacing the XFCE4 icon theme with one using SVG also leads to blurry rendering. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 115439] High DPI mode: SVG icons should be preferred over PNG versions when available
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=115439 --- Comment #41 from moosetrax --- (In reply to moosetrax from comment #40) > Created attachment 165049 [details] > Blurry Elementary SVG toolbar icons > > Blurry SVG icons with LibreOffice 7.0.0.3 on Cinnamon 4.2.4 at resolution > Cinnamon 4.2.4. Editing to provide resolution information for previous comment: 3840x2160 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 115439] High DPI mode: SVG icons should be preferred over PNG versions when available
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=115439 --- Comment #40 from moosetrax --- Created attachment 165049 --> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=165049=edit Blurry Elementary SVG toolbar icons Blurry SVG icons with LibreOffice 7.0.0.3 on Cinnamon 4.2.4 at resolution Cinnamon 4.2.4. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 115439] High DPI mode: SVG icons should be preferred over PNG versions when available
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=115439 --- Comment #39 from Paul Menzel --- In Debian Sid/unstable with GNOME 3.36.4 and LibreOffice 7.0.0, I switched the icon theme from *Elementary* to *Elementary (SVG)*, and the icons still look blurry on a HiDPI monitor connected over HDMI. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 115439] High DPI mode: SVG icons should be preferred over PNG versions when available
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=115439 stragu changed: What|Removed |Added CC||stephane.guil...@member.fsf ||.org --- Comment #38 from stragu --- *** Bug 131946 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 115439] High DPI mode: SVG icons should be preferred over PNG versions when available
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=115439 --- Comment #37 from Rizal Muttaqin --- Just for your information. As an icon designer and mauntainer now all icon themes have SVG versions. So I would say its safe if in some point we reach perfect SVG support, than the PNG version can be removed or moved to the extension sites. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 115439] High DPI mode: SVG icons should be preferred over PNG versions when available
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=115439 --- Comment #36 from bugzil...@cb-computerservice.at --- (In reply to Jan-Marek Glogowski from comment #34) > This is the typical chicken-egg problem: LO's SVG rasterizer / icons broken > => default to PNG. Everybody uses PNG (and some complain about blocky icons > in HiDPI) => nobody fixes the LO's SVG rasterizer / icons. Some more > background info is in bug 133877 comment 11. I totally agree on that, the main problem is the SVG Rasterizer (I guess that's the same as a SVG Renderer?). But there are plenty of free OpenSource SVG Renderers out there: Inkscape, Chromium, Firefox aso... all support SVG Rendering. Isn't it possible to use the code of those, if the LibO renderer is so hard to fix? I know its easy to talk like that when you are not a developer, so just my two cents on that ;) -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 115439] High DPI mode: SVG icons should be preferred over PNG versions when available
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=115439 --- Comment #35 from Nate Graham --- In general I think people with high DPI screens would prefer to use SVG icons and live with or report a small number of bugs with a small number of mid-rendered icons then live with 100% of all icons being pixelated and ugly. Perhaps making the SVG renderer default only for high DPi users of SVG-compatible icon themes would make everyone happy: high DPI users get nicer icons overall, while devs get more user eyeballs (and bug reports, and potential contributors) using the SVG renderer. FWIW all the icons look flawless to me with the Breeze SVG icon theme and a global 250% scale scale factor -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 115439] High DPI mode: SVG icons should be preferred over PNG versions when available
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=115439 Jan-Marek Glogowski changed: What|Removed |Added See Also||https://bugs.documentfounda ||tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13 ||3877 --- Comment #34 from Jan-Marek Glogowski --- This is the typical chicken-egg problem: LO's SVG rasterizer / icons broken => default to PNG. Everybody uses PNG (and some complain about blocky icons in HiDPI) => nobody fixes the LO's SVG rasterizer / icons. Some more background info is in bug 133877 comment 11. And OTOH people can manually select an SVG icon set, so the pressure to fix this isn't really high. While the SVG icons easily look better when scaled, the PNG icons definitely look better in 100% / non-scaled in Linux. And it also doesn't help that gtk3 always scales the rasterized icons, so you get the worse 100% SVG icons scaled to HiDPI. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 115439] High DPI mode: SVG icons should be preferred over PNG versions when available
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=115439 Nate Graham changed: What|Removed |Added Summary|SVG-Icons should be |High DPI mode: SVG icons |preferred over PNG |should be preferred over ||PNG versions when available -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
