[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 127854] Add ability to keep vector image and compress replacement image in image compression dialog
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=127854 --- Comment #23 from Gellért Gyuris --- Created attachment 161126 --> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=161126=edit Testing various ODF editors Small research: - Google Docs: - Can't insert SVG image. Error: Not supported file type. - Can import LibreOffice's ODT and use replacement PNG image. - Export replacement image to ODT or PDF. - Microsoft Office 365 - Can't insert SVG image. Error: Not supported file type. - Error opening LibreOffice's ODT. Can't handle replacement PNG image. - Apache OpenOffice (4.1.7): - Can insert SVG images. Creates replacement PNG file too. - Can export to OTD (replacement SVG too) and to PDF. - Can open LibreOffice's ODT and save it correctly. - AbiWord (3.0.2) - Can insert SVG image. Inserts only SVG data, without replacement image. - Can export to ODT. - Can't export to PDF. - FreeOffice TextMaker (976) - No support for SVG images in Free version. - Can import LibreOffice's ODT and use replacement PNG image. Is it enough? Which editors should I test besides these? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 127854] Add ability to keep vector image and compress replacement image in image compression dialog
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=127854 --- Comment #22 from Michael Stahl (CIB) --- (In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #21) > (In reply to Michael Stahl (CIB) from comment #12) > > i dont think its a good idea at this point to remove the PNG fallback that > > is automatically generated at ODF export. > > > > for OOo derived applications both AOO and LO can import SVG since 2011 or > > so, but i have no idea about others like e.g. MS Office, Google Docs, etc. > > > > maybe we can do that in a couple years. > > The use case described in this enhancement request is reasonable. And many > if not most users don't bother about AOO or the like and just use > still/fresh LibreOffice. So my take on all this is to introduce an option > that might be switched on but allows users like Gellért to disable the PNG > conversion. it would be great if somebody could research which ODF applications can import SVGs and which can't. i don't have time to do this. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 127854] Add ability to keep vector image and compress replacement image in image compression dialog
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=127854 Heiko Tietze changed: What|Removed |Added Status|UNCONFIRMED |NEW Ever confirmed|0 |1 --- Comment #21 from Heiko Tietze --- (In reply to Michael Stahl (CIB) from comment #12) > i dont think its a good idea at this point to remove the PNG fallback that > is automatically generated at ODF export. > > for OOo derived applications both AOO and LO can import SVG since 2011 or > so, but i have no idea about others like e.g. MS Office, Google Docs, etc. > > maybe we can do that in a couple years. The use case described in this enhancement request is reasonable. And many if not most users don't bother about AOO or the like and just use still/fresh LibreOffice. So my take on all this is to introduce an option that might be switched on but allows users like Gellért to disable the PNG conversion. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 127854] Add ability to keep vector image and compress replacement image in image compression dialog
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=127854 QA Administrators changed: What|Removed |Added Status|NEEDINFO|UNCONFIRMED Ever confirmed|1 |0 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 127854] Add ability to keep vector image and compress replacement image in image compression dialog
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=127854 --- Comment #20 from QA Administrators --- [Automated Action] NeedInfo-To-Unconfirmed -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 127854] Add ability to keep vector image and compress replacement image in image compression dialog
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=127854 --- Comment #19 from Gellért Gyuris --- Created attachment 160735 --> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=160735=edit New sample Cor Nouws, I'm trying to explain again, but I'm afraid that I'm just repeating myself. I hope I can answer your question: I want to avoid big and unnecessary PNG replacement images for embedded vector images. See attached sample: There is a document with 9 embedded roll-ups (with 85 cm × 200 cm). LibreOffice normally generates a replacement PNG for every embedded vector image. In these examples: - for 55 kB SVGs LO generates 2,5 MB PNGs, or - for 2,1 MB PDFs LO generates 21,1 MB PNGs. There are an expert switch (org.openOffce.Office.Common > Save > Grapchics > AddReplacementImages: false) to completely exclude generating these replacement images, but this is a hidden feature and a global switch, not a per document or per image switch. I found that image compressing feature would be the best solution: - I think, the current behavior isn't the best: replace vector file with a bitmap and compress the bitmap... - This feature would be better if preserves the original vector and compress the replacement images. This is a feature request. - Or with an option we can preserve both behavior as I suggested above. Maybe this isn't a good idea. I'm just a user, not a developer. Maybe someone has a better idea. Do you know a better solution how to prevent huge replacement files from being created? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 127854] Add ability to keep vector image and compress replacement image in image compression dialog
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=127854 Cor Nouws changed: What|Removed |Added Status|NEW |NEEDINFO --- Comment #18 from Cor Nouws --- (In reply to Tomaz Vajngerl from comment #16) > Compress dialog has nothing to do and should not have anything to do with > the replacement graphic. That one is created and added during export. > > That said, in the compress graphic dialog we shouldn't allow to compress > vector graphic and result with a bitmap. (In reply to Gellért Gyuris from comment #0) > .. > Expected Results: > When user selects a vector image (SVG, PDF) in image compression dialog > there should be an option: > [] compress replacement image only Why would you use that option, Gellért, if you want to keep the SVG in the file as well? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 127854] Add ability to keep vector image and compress replacement image in image compression dialog
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=127854 --- Comment #17 from Gellért Gyuris --- > Is this sufficient for you, Gellért? I know about this global switch (I'm using it currently) as I mentioned previously in Comment #1. I thinks this is a workaround, not a solution, because it is not a per image or per document possibility but a global switch. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 127854] Add ability to keep vector image and compress replacement image in image compression dialog
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=127854 --- Comment #15 from Heiko Tietze --- (In reply to Regina Henschel from comment #14) > There exists the global advanced setting "AddReplacementImages". Is this sufficient for you, Gellért? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 127854] Add ability to keep vector image and compress replacement image in image compression dialog
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=127854 --- Comment #16 from Tomaz Vajngerl --- Compress dialog has nothing to do and should not have anything to do with the replacement graphic. That one is created and added during export. That said, in the compress graphic dialog we shouldn't allow to compress vector graphic and result with a bitmap. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 127854] Add ability to keep vector image and compress replacement image in image compression dialog
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=127854 --- Comment #14 from Regina Henschel --- (In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #13) > How about an explicit function to remove the PNG? Something like a third > radio button in the compression dialog visible on vector graphics only. There exists the global advanced setting "AddReplacementImages". Default is "true". Double-click the item toggles it to "false". I think, that a setting "removing" should not be included in the compression dialog, because such setting would be need to be tracked in export. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 127854] Add ability to keep vector image and compress replacement image in image compression dialog
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=127854 --- Comment #13 from Heiko Tietze --- How about an explicit function to remove the PNG? Something like a third radio button in the compression dialog visible on vector graphics only. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 127854] Add ability to keep vector image and compress replacement image in image compression dialog
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=127854 --- Comment #12 from Michael Stahl (CIB) --- i dont think its a good idea at this point to remove the PNG fallback that is automatically generated at ODF export. for OOo derived applications both AOO and LO can import SVG since 2011 or so, but i have no idea about others like e.g. MS Office, Google Docs, etc. maybe we can do that in a couple years. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 127854] Add ability to keep vector image and compress replacement image in image compression dialog
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=127854 Thomas Lendo changed: What|Removed |Added Blocks||108437 CC||thomas.le...@gmail.com Referenced Bugs: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108437 [Bug 108437] [META] Image bugs and enhancements -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 127854] Add ability to keep vector image and compress replacement image in image compression dialog
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=127854 Miklos Vajna changed: What|Removed |Added CC||michael.st...@cib.de --- Comment #11 from Miklos Vajna --- Michael Stahl may have an opinion on this; the answer may depend on the ODF version. Perhaps support for SVG is a reasonable expectation for ODF 1.3, but not for ODF 1.2. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 127854] Add ability to keep vector image and compress replacement image in image compression dialog
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=127854 Heiko Tietze changed: What|Removed |Added Status|UNCONFIRMED |NEW CC|libreoffice-ux-advise@lists |heiko.tietze@documentfounda |.freedesktop.org|tion.org, ||vmik...@collabora.com Keywords|needsUXEval | Ever confirmed|0 |1 --- Comment #10 from Heiko Tietze --- Both SVG and PNG are stored in the document. It looks like this PD94bWwgdmVyc2lvbj0iMS4wIiBlbmNvZGluZz0iVVRGLTgiIHN0YW5kYWxvbmU9Im5vIj8+ ... iVBORw0KGgoNSUhEUgAAAVoAAABCCAYWox40AAApCUlEQVR4nO2dBZAURxuGA9zh ... I cannot imagine a sane workflow where the converted/compressed PNG can be reassigned/recompressed from the SVG. What definitely works is when the PNG would be solely saved for compatibility reason and the SVG is being used in the document. However, the issue remains that documents grow rapidly and I wonder if a compatibility flag makes sense. Something like Tools > Options > Writer > Compatibility "[ ] Save vector graphics as PNG" (off by default, IMHO). What do you think, Miklos? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 127854] Add ability to keep vector image and compress replacement image in image compression dialog
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=127854 Cor Nouws changed: What|Removed |Added Version|6.3.1.2 release |unspecified CC||c...@nouenoff.nl -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 127854] Add ability to keep vector image and compress replacement image in image compression dialog
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=127854 --- Comment #9 from Gellért Gyuris --- > if you keep the SVG, why do you need a bitmap? Oh, that is a good question! I do not need any bitmap, but LibreOffice creates it automatically when I insert the vector file! The automatic replacement images were introduced 5-6 years ago. I read first time about them in Miklós' blog post: https://vmiklos.hu/blog/lo-insert-pdf-image.html I can understand that is a good solution to have a fallback image when one have to open the document in another editor. But when the vectors' canvas is huge we have disadvantages. If I must have a replacement image in the stored document, I want ability to compress it. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 127854] Add ability to keep vector image and compress replacement image in image compression dialog
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=127854 --- Comment #8 from Heiko Tietze --- (In reply to Gellért Gyuris from comment #6) > If you have the vector graphic why do you want/need to convert/compress it? > I want to compress not the vector data (SVG, PDF) but... Sure, the question was, if you have a nice vector graphic why do you want to convert it into a raster graphic (that needs compression). I'm turning the question around with a workflow in mind where no raster bitmap nor any compression is needed. In other words: if you keep the SVG, why do you need a bitmap? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 127854] Add ability to keep vector image and compress replacement image in image compression dialog
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=127854 --- Comment #7 from Gellért Gyuris --- Created attachment 159896 --> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=159896=edit Sample files with linked vector images -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 127854] Add ability to keep vector image and compress replacement image in image compression dialog
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=127854 --- Comment #6 from Gellért Gyuris --- Thank you for thinking with me. If you have the vector graphic why do you want/need to convert/compress it? I want to compress not the vector data (SVG, PDF) but the automatically generated _replacement image_ (PNG). In general the replacement image is a good solution but when the vector's canvas has a big real size (several meters), the rasterized replacement image has a huge file size too. It doesn't matter if the real size of the vector file is 1 cm or 10 m. File size is the same. But for a bitmap the file size will be quite different. I want to avoid this huge replacement images. Since AddReplacementImages=true is the default option, the obvious solution is to compress them. I think for vector files this is the "logical" behavior: do not replace the vector data (this is data loss) but compress the replacement image. Would it be a feasible solution to do the trick with linked images? Sorry, I don't understand fully the question. As I tested, it doesn't matter if the vector file embedded or linked, replacement images are generated by LibreOffice. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 127854] Add ability to keep vector image and compress replacement image in image compression dialog
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=127854 Heiko Tietze changed: What|Removed |Added CC||qui...@gmail.com --- Comment #5 from Heiko Tietze --- Thanks for the clarification and the sample files. Some more questions: * If you have the vector graphic why do you want/need to convert/compress it? * Would it be a feasible solution to do the trick with linked images? Don't see where I can compress the image when the SVG is inserted per link but that could be made possible. Point is that I struggle with the Heisenberg-situation of compressed / not compressed. If you process data, in general, you keep the raw sources as backup. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 127854] Add ability to keep vector image and compress replacement image in image compression dialog
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=127854 --- Comment #4 from Gellért Gyuris --- Created attachment 159845 --> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=159845=edit Sample files -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 127854] Add ability to keep vector image and compress replacement image in image compression dialog
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=127854 --- Comment #3 from Gellért Gyuris --- Thanks you for the replay, Heiko! What do you want to achieve? When inserted image is a vector format (SVG, PDF...) I want to compress the replacement image only, not the original vector file. This is currently not possible, because the image compression dialog replaces the original vector file with a bitmap copy. Why? Use case I have SVG/PDF files with huge canvas (not image size): 1×2 m roll-up, large outdoor boards for displaying advertisements (4×2,75 m). When I insert these drawings, it creates replacement images with huge file size (even if the vector images are only linked). I want to compress the replacement image size to reduce ODT document size as this image compression feature designed for. It is not a good option to replace the vector with a bitmap, I want to see the vector file in PDF output, therefore I want to preserve vector format in ODT. I want to compress the replacement image only. I hope I was able to explain it. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 127854] Add ability to keep vector image and compress replacement image in image compression dialog
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=127854
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I don't see a point in compressing SVGs and expecting it to remain ("keep
vector image untouched"). What's your use case, what do you want to achieve and
why?
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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 127854] Add ability to keep vector image and compress replacement image in image compression dialog
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=127854 Buovjaga changed: What|Removed |Added Keywords||needsUXEval Whiteboard| QA:needsComment| CC||libreoffice-ux-advise@lists ||.freedesktop.org -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 127854] Add ability to keep vector image and compress replacement image in image compression dialog
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=127854 --- Comment #1 from Gellért Gyuris --- Workaround: Completely disable creating replacement images in Expert Configuration: org.openOffce.Office.Common > Save > Grapchics > AddReplacementImages: false -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 127854] Add ability to keep vector image and compress replacement image in image compression dialog
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