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--- Comment #34 from Klaus  ---
Slightly following up on

> This means that by not allowing formulas to be inlined 
> in impress, Libreoffice both misses a killer feature of 
> powerpoint and cannot allow good import of powerpoint 
> documents.

I come across this issue frequently in my current work environment.

 - We use OpenSuse on our work machines.
 - The industry partner uses a mixture of Linux and Windows.
 - Microsoft Office is the norm, and for project internal presentations
   we are expected to provide PPT[X] files.

The presentations typically require at least *some* inline formulas, and when
opening presentations obtained *from* the industry partner, equations are
completely missing, since they cannot be imported.

As a result, we are unable to ditch a setup, where we are running Microsoft
Office in a virtual machine. Not a major issue in terms of license costs for a
project environment, but a major disadvantage in terms of workflows.

On the Writer side of things, the issue is much smaller, as Math OLEs can be
configured to very well emulate true inline equations, except for being a
hassle to get consistent formatting across the document (especially in contexts
with deviating font size, like footnotes and captions.)

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--- Comment #33 from Chameleon  ---
2022 and still nothing.
It seems that Writer is better for scientific presentations, than Impress.

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--- Comment #32 from dante19031...@gmail.com ---
(In reply to Regis Perdreau from comment #31)
> This demand is from 2011. We are now in 2021, in ten years, this work would
> have been initiated/done/funded if necessary. Is there any realistic
> path/pointers to start it ?

It has been done on writer. So it is possible.
The only thing missing is someone with the knowledge willing to do it.

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--- Comment #31 from Regis Perdreau  ---
This demand is from 2011. We are now in 2021, in ten years, this work would
have been initiated/done/funded if necessary. Is there any realistic
path/pointers to start it ?

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--- Comment #30 from dante19031...@gmail.com ---
> @rafael lima, @dante19031...@gmail.com
> 
> > Wouldn't it be easier to allow users to add a "Writer" text object into the 
> > presentation?

It won't work. You can't insert an OLE inside an OLE. It won't let you. Even
inserting symbols doesn't work in OLE mode (at least until 7, have no checked
after).

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--- Comment #29 from sergio.calleg...@gmail.com ---
@rafael lima, @dante19031...@gmail.com

> Wouldn't it be easier to allow users to add a "Writer" text object into the 
> presentation?

As a matter of fact, it is possible to insert OLEs from other LibO applications
including writer:
Insert -> Object -> OLE Object -> Libreoffice 6.4 Text

Yet this is impractical and this kind of text elements end up lacking
functionalities that you expect from impress, like animation and text fitting
to given sizes.

This is why I think that providing /real/ support directly inside impress is
fundamental. If you need this functionality, please consider contributing to
the bounty described above.

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--- Comment #28 from Rafael Lima  ---
It is unbelievable that this issue still persists in 2020. It is a major
feature that prevents many users from adopting Impress.

I teach mathematical programming and I simply cannot prepare my classes using
Impress, because I often have to mix text and mathematical notation in the same
sentence.

The funny thing is that in Writer it is possible to deal with this problem,
since one can add mathematical formulas "inline", i.e. along with the text.

Wouldn't it be easier to allow users to add a "Writer" text object into the
presentation?

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--- Comment #27 from dante19031...@gmail.com ---
I can't solve it, but maybe by inserting writter OLE could be done. Good look,
I'm also looking forward for this feature.

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--- Comment #26 from sergio.calleg...@gmail.com ---
See also Bug 118033 wrt previous comment.

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--- Comment #25 from sergio.calleg...@gmail.com ---
Note that lack of this functionality also makes it impossible to have formulas
in the "presenter screen" slide comments.

This is because currently the presenter screen only seems to pick up the
content of the slide comments text box and not images or formulas that may get
placed in the slide comments zone.

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--- Comment #24 from jean.orl...@free.fr ---
6.3.1 is out, still no progress.

Bounty reached 150$: how high should it be to attract a taker?

(See
https://freedomsponsors.org/issue/473/allow-inline-graphics-formulas-in-impress-and-draw#sponsors)

Should we make some campaign to attract more donors?

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--- Comment #23 from gibt...@gmx.de ---
I also regularly use LibreOffice with TexMaths and also would like to have
perfectly inlined formulas in Impress and Draw as in Writer. I would like to
share my personal workarounds which are not perfect, but at least do a pretty
well job, at least for my needs. Even though I'm referring to TexMaths
formulas, they also work well for LO's own formulas.

The first option is to create the Text directly as part of the forumla using
the LaTeX \text{...} command. This works pretty well but can be a hassle if you
want to setup the fonts accordingly. The same workaround can also be used with
LO's formula editor.

Next, it is also possible to select the LaTeX fonts directly in Impress/Writer
and to create the formula as part of the text. This works pretty well as long
as the formula only contains some basic stuff. A drawback is that the font
spacing between lines can be slightly messed up by Impress if different fonts
are selected.

Finally, if really a LaTeX formula needs to be inlined in text, I create some
whitespace in the line and place the formula at this location (moving the
formula with Alt or Shift is quite useful here to correctly vertically aling
it). This looks pretty perfect on the slide but is rather annoying as soon as
you change the text: You will always have to manually adjust the formula's
position. But as long as there is no direct way to inline the formula, this is
still possible.

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--- Comment #22 from sergio.calleg...@gmail.com ---
Just a quick reminder to those who might get here being interested in the
feature that there is a small bounty at
https://freedomsponsors.org/issue/473/allow-inline-graphics-formulas-in-impress-and-draw#sponsors

Sorry for the noise, but those who got redirected here through the "duplicate"
bug mechanism may have missed this.

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--- Comment #20 from Regina Henschel  ---
(In reply to Thomas Lendo from comment #19)
> @Regina:
> Is this a problem of the ODF specification or only a LibO implementation
> issue?

You would need a construction

The schema would allow it directly. The description is not really clear, but I
see no principle problem in file format. For Draw it is simple a missing
feature. For Impress you have the additional task to define, how such enhanced
text-box reacts on animation.


> 
> As images and frames have an own style in Writer but not in Draw and
> Impress, it's not possible to use the Writer properties. Is it necessary to
> add these styles to Draw and Impress to have this enhancement request to be
> implemented?

No, styles are not the problem here. The problem is, that the text rendering
engine is not able to handle other child elements than  elements
(=character formatting). The styles in Writer contain additional properties,
which describe the relationship of the -essentially graphic- objects to the
surrounding text. These are not necessary in Draw/Impress because no running
text exists. The normal graphic properties are sufficient for the outer frame.
Only if the nesting  is
implemented additional properties would be necessary for describing the
relationship between inner frame and text-box.

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--- Comment #18 from sergio.calleg...@gmail.com ---
Issue is still present in all LibO versions, since this is a kind request for a
feature that still has not been implemented.

A small bounty, currently USD 135 is still available for solving the issue

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--- Comment #16 from sergio.calleg...@gmail.com ---
I think that sponsorships are advertised not because of the expectation that
$120 can pay the work, rather to try getting more and to give a clear
indication of how the feature can be important to some users. Even bug
reporters can be realistic ;-)

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--- Comment #15 from jean.orl...@free.fr ---
(In reply to Joel Madero from comment #11)
> Just to make sure that expectations are realistic here. This enhancement
> will likely take tens of hours of time - professional developers make in the
> range of $60-$120/hr - so we're talking about thousands of dollars (at
> market rate). So - perhaps (and hopefully) the $80 motivates someone, but I
> want to be sure to keep realistic expectations in the community.

I am really not so sure: the wanted feature exists in the Write. What we want
is then just the implementation of this possibility in Impress Text Areas,
which must be not be that different from a page in Write.

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--- Comment #14 from sergio.calleg...@gmail.com ---
Wished feature is still missing from LibO 5.1.2.

Bounty has reached 100$.

See
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--- Comment #12 from sergio.calleg...@gmail.com ---
Thanks Jean for participating and to Joel for the due comments.

What I hope is that even if so far the amount is by far too little for fully
payed development, it can still have some 'information' value. The fact that
there are users willing to economically support work on this may already be a
hint on the level of desire for this particular enhancement. And let's hope
that other supporters can join in.

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--- Comment #10 from jean.orl...@free.fr ---
Hi,

I just offered an extra 50$ to try and obtain this essential evolution. Let's
hope for more!

Jean

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--- Comment #11 from Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com ---
Thanks for that information and for your support!


Just to make sure that expectations are realistic here. This enhancement will
likely take tens of hours of time - professional developers make in the range
of $60-$120/hr - so we're talking about thousands of dollars (at market rate).
So - perhaps (and hopefully) the $80 motivates someone, but I want to be sure
to keep realistic expectations in the community.

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Removing patch as there isn't an attached patch on the bug.

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--- Comment #8 from sergio.calleg...@gmail.com ---
Please, in case the opendocument format itself does not support this
functionality, please assure that a suitable bug/wishlist is opened against
ODF1.3/Next.

Please do not underestimate the impact of this enhancement request. In the
scientific academic world, which is a big user of presentation software
(conferences, teaching), LibO is simply ruled out by most of my collegues just
for the inconvenience related to the impossibility to embed figures/formulas in
the presentation text.

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--- Comment #7 from sergio.calleg...@gmail.com ---
I care about getting this fixed, so I'm offering USD 20.00 via FreedomSponsors
to the first person who fix it.

Offer link:
http://www.freedomsponsors.org/core/issue/473/allow-inline-graphics-formulas-in-impress-and-draw

You can also join me and throw in a few bucks there and we'll get it fixed
faster :) Let me underline this. The amount I can offer is little, but many
little amounts can make a reasonable sum. If you are interested, please
consider co-sponsoring this issue.

If you fix this issue (see my acceptance criteria there) please use that site
to request your payment.

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--- Comment #6 from sergio.calleg...@gmail.com ---
By curiosity...
can this enhancement be implemented in ODF1.2 or does it require extending the
standard? In case, would it be worth from LibO to propose it for ODF1.3?

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 35033] Allow inline graphics, formulas in impress (and draw)

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https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35033

Gonzalo Panizo gonzalo.pan...@gmail.com changed:

   What|Removed |Added

   Hardware|All |x86-64 (AMD64)
 OS|All |Linux (All)
   Severity|enhancement |major
   Priority|medium  |high
Version|3.5.0 Beta2 |4.1.1.2 release
   Keywords||patch

--- Comment #5 from Gonzalo Panizo gonzalo.pan...@gmail.com ---
Still waiting for this to be fixed. Otherwise Impress can not be used for
scientific/engineering presentations!

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 35033] Allow inline graphics, formulas in impress (and draw)

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https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35033

--- Comment #4 from sergio.calleg...@gmail.com ---
See also https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=22309,
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=29989
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=88185
and probably more.  Just for historic reference, tracking this enhancement
request back to openoffice and to 2003 and to be able to follow if there is AOO
activity on this front.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 35033] Allow inline graphics, formulas in impress (and draw)

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https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35033

Paul-Antoine Arras lis...@defendingthemusic.fr changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 CC||rfvuh...@hotmail.com

--- Comment #3 from Paul-Antoine Arras lis...@defendingthemusic.fr ---
*** Bug 37127 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 35033] Allow inline graphics, formulas in impress (and draw)

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sergio.calleg...@gmail.com changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|NEEDINFO|NEW
Version|LibO 3.3.1 release  |LibO 3.5.0 Beta2

--- Comment #2 from sergio.calleg...@gmail.com 2011-12-27 03:27:55 PST ---
Verified on 3.5.0 beta 2

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