[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 41113] EDITING: Using "Paste special" in merged cells loses cell content

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--- Comment #17 from ady  ---
(In reply to Andreas Heinisch from comment #16)
> I will close this one since I am unable to reproduce it in:
> Version: 7.6.0.0.alpha0+ (X86_64) / LibreOffice Community
> Build ID: 1d532b15472f42bda831c5404f78f92725e66e83
> CPU threads: 16; OS: Windows 10.0 Build 19044; UI render: Skia/Raster; VCL:
> win
> Locale: de-DE (de_DE); UI: en-US
> Calc: CL threaded
> 
> Feel free to open it again if my testing was wrong.

FWIW, if you are basing that on your screenshot from attachment 186324 in
comment 15, then that's not how the report was presented: your screenshot shows
pasting down, whereas the steps are pasting right-ways.

Having said that, I think we cannot call the current behavior a bug. The values
from cells A1, A2 and A3 from Sheet1 are pasted into cells A1, A2 and A3 in
Sheet2.

In order to see the second value, just unmerge Sheet2.A1:A2.

I am aware of the "do not paste formatting" matter, but then someone will ask
for the exact opposite behavior. And, there are alternative ways to obtain
different results regarding merged cells.

Instead, there should be a clear method to get the described desired result,
but it should not be the default. The options in Paste Special have changed
since comment 0 was first written, more than a decade ago.

I'll leave someone else decide whether to change the status to RFE (for
documentation, or for adding more options, or whatever), or to WF.

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--- Comment #16 from Andreas Heinisch  ---
I will close this one since I am unable to reproduce it in:
Version: 7.6.0.0.alpha0+ (X86_64) / LibreOffice Community
Build ID: 1d532b15472f42bda831c5404f78f92725e66e83
CPU threads: 16; OS: Windows 10.0 Build 19044; UI render: Skia/Raster; VCL: win
Locale: de-DE (de_DE); UI: en-US
Calc: CL threaded

Feel free to open it again if my testing was wrong.

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--- Comment #15 from Andreas Heinisch  ---
Created attachment 186324
  --> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=186324=edit
Screen after paste special

I cannot repor in:
Version: 7.6.0.0.alpha0+ (X86_64) / LibreOffice Community
Build ID: 98cf5157d69d9f1692be7f2cac958b1dfb387ca9
CPU threads: 6; OS: Windows 10.0 Build 19044; UI render: default; VCL: win
Locale: de-DE (de_DE); UI: en-US
Calc: CL threaded

It shows me the following after the paste special dialog.

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--- Comment #14 from Stephan van den Akker  ---
Bug is still present in:

Version: 7.4.0.0.alpha0+ / LibreOffice Community
Build ID: 59af0be9fbfcef4e157a74099a6aef0c60facb36
CPU threads: 16; OS: Linux 5.16; UI render: default; VCL: kf5 (cairo+xcb)
Locale: en-GB (en_GB.UTF-8); UI: en-GB
Calc: threaded

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--- Comment #11 from romrod...@outlook.com  ---
Versión: 6.4.1.2 (x64)
Id. de compilación: 4d224e95b98b138af42a64d84056446d09082932
Subprocs. CPU: 8; SO: Windows 10.0 Build 18363; Repres. IU: GL; VCL: win; 
Configuración regional: es-ES (es_ES); Idioma de IU: es-ES
Calc: CL

The bug is still present.

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--- Comment #10 from Timur  ---
*** Bug 131385 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

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Timur  changed:

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--- Comment #9 from Timur  ---
Repro 7.0+.

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Repro 6.3+.

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--- Comment #6 from Joel Madero  ---
Version: 5.3.0.0.alpha0+
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Same behavior. 

I'm not sure why this is an enhancement and not a bug. Having 1 value just
missing entirely on a paste seems like a strange default behavior (wrong)
but...I won't change it. If someone else thinks it should be changed I suspect:

Minor: Can slow down but won't prevent high quality work;
Lowe: Default for minor bugs seems appropriate

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--- Comment #5 from Cor Nouws c...@nouenoff.nl 2012-05-10 04:32:07 PDT ---
(In reply to comment #4)

 But, then Calc's help on merging cells says:
 [...] 
 When you copy cells into a target range containing merged cells, THE TARGET
 RANGE GETS UNMERGED FIRST, then the copied cells are pasted in. If the copied
 cells are merged cells, they retain their merge state. (capitalization mine)

I think this explains that just doing Paste (and not paste special) results in 
Sheet2.A1 = 1, B1 = 2 and C1 = 3


 So, to recap, my arguments to change Calc's behavior:
 1: I expect merged cells to behave as 1 cell
 2: Writer does it the way I prefer: Calc is behaving inconsistenly
 3: Calc's behavior is unexpected for you too (that makes 2 out of 2). 
 
 But basically, it comes down to taste and consistency. What do
 other users expect?

I think this is a useful idea.

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--- Comment #3 from Rainer Bielefeld libreoff...@bielefeldundbuss.de 
2012-03-06 00:40:44 PST ---
I see the effect with LibreOffice 3.5.1.1 German UI/Locale [Build-ID:
45a2874-aa8c38d-dff3b9c-def3dbd-62463c8] on German WIN7 Home Premium (64bit),
but I can't tell whether it's a bug, although the result is unexpected also for
me.

@Stephan van den Akker
You did some chin-ups to get the undesired result, can you explain why you did
exactly so? Can you cite Help, manuals or similar that let expect other
behavior?

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--- Comment #4 from Stephan van den Akker stephanv...@gmail.com 2012-03-06 
05:21:15 PST ---
@Rainer Bielefeld: Good questions.

Copying cell content without formatting is something I use a lot. It is an
invaluable part of a workflow that re-uses heavily formatted sheets with new
data.

Writer actually behaves in the way i would expect and prefer for Calc (see
Expected behavior in my original post).

But, then Calc's help on merging cells says:

You can select adjacent cells, then merge them into a single cell. Conversely,
you can take a large cell that has been created by merging single cells, and
divide it back into individual cells.

When you copy cells into a target range containing merged cells, THE TARGET
RANGE GETS UNMERGED FIRST, then the copied cells are pasted in. If the copied
cells are merged cells, they retain their merge state. (capitalization mine)

I guess the second paragraph is trying to tell me to expect the actual
behavior, but it still doesn't make sense to me. It just seems to me that the
user is exposed to the implementation details of merging.

I would prefer and expect merged cells to behave as a single cell, just as the
first help paragraph says and just like in Writer. I like programs with little
or no exceptions to their own base rules (just like a good Sci Fi movie...).

How do other speadsheets do it:

Excel 97, Excel 2007, Gnumeric: Error message, whining about the target range
not being compatible with the copied content. No copying possible...

Calligra Tables: same as present behavior of Calc

So, to recap, my arguments to change Calc's behavior:
1: I expect merged cells to behave as 1 cell
2: Writer does it the way I prefer: Calc is behaving inconsistenly
3: Calc's behavior is unexpected for you too (that makes 2 out of 2). 

But basically, it comes down to taste and consistency. What do
other users expect?

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