[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 83700] VIEWING: title bar should be graphically merged into top menu bar on OS X ( all components)

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--- Comment #14 from Tor Lillqvist  ---
Could somebody please edit the title of this bug to make sense? To men "top
menu bar" is the thing at the top of the whole desktop, with the menu of the
application that has focus. It obviously can't be "merged" into the title bar
of an application window. Please change "top menu bar" to "inside of
application window" or something, what sounds correct to you.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 83700] VIEWING: title bar should be graphically merged into top menu bar on OS X ( all components)

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--- Comment #13 from Emir Sarı (away)  ---
This requires a near-total rewrite of whole Libreoffice macOS UI code, no? I
wonder how much would it cost if to crowd-source this.

Possible (UX-feasible) options:

1. Ditch LO toolbars, I mean, like purge them, delete them, destroy them with
quantum torpedoes, transfer most formatting functions into sidebar, implement a
proper macOS head-bar (is it OK to name it like this?) with standard functions
like Open, Save etc. Also standard menus are not in a bad state now. 

or

2. Imitate Pages, distribute formatting commands into sidebar and headbar (even
more labour-demanding than 1 I guess)
3. Imitate Office, go for the NotebookBar with custom theming, hide the title
bar with it, like most Windows applications do (not favourable)

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 83700] VIEWING: title bar should be graphically merged into top menu bar on OS X ( all components)

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--- Comment #12 from Matthew Francis  ---
I don't think there's another actual bug to be reported. Theming works as
specified, at present, within the confines of how title bars are implemented on
MacOS.

The entire mention of it was intended to note that anyone who actually works on
this bug (as reported, the less than native look of the title bar) should
consider the implications for theming. Apologies if that was not clear.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 83700] VIEWING: title bar should be graphically merged into top menu bar on OS X ( all components)

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--- Comment #11 from Tor Lillqvist  ---
So is this bug then about making the title bar blend into the rest of the
window, or makining the Firefox theme thing (that I have never, ever, heard
anybody else mention, at least not for the Mac) spread into the title bar? Two
entirely different things. And as the initial reporter calls himself "retired",
I guess we will never know his/her opinion. Matthew, please file a new bug
about the Firefox thing. This bug should be about what the initial bug reporter
intended.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 83700] VIEWING: title bar should be graphically merged into top menu bar on OS X ( all components)

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Matthew Francis  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|NEEDINFO|NEW

--- Comment #10 from Matthew Francis  ---
@Tor
Respectfully, I think we're more in agreement than disagreement. I agree that
LO should indeed look like an application that belongs on MacOS when on MacOS -
not a purely "neutral cross platform" app.

The problem is it currently doesn't entirely look like it belongs. In most
modern MacOS apps, the very top of the window is visually unified with what is
immediately beneath, be it tabs, toolbars, buttons, search boxes or whatever
else. However, LO windows still have a clearly delineated title bar, complete
with mostly unused space except for window buttons and centred title text, and
a sharp border at the bottom of the title bar like all apps used to have in the
old days.

My point in addition to this in comment#1 meant that, if the visuals of the
title bar are in fact updated to look like a modern MacOS app, the only viable
and indeed reasonable thing to then do with the "Persona/Firefox" theming
mechanism (which LO still supports natively, even though it may not be much
used - it is in Options - LibreOffice - Personalisation - Own Theme) is for
whatever background image it specifies to spread fully across the "area
formerly known as the title bar", including the topmost part of the window - I
had no other meaning than that in terms of cross-platform UI. Either that, or
not to support it at all any longer, which I think would be a shame.

Setting this back to NEW as I believe this should sufficiently clarify the
meaning of the bug - but I will also butt out at this point

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 83700] VIEWING: title bar should be graphically merged into top menu bar on OS X ( all components)

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Tor Lillqvist  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

   Priority|high|medium

--- Comment #9 from Tor Lillqvist  ---
Also adjusting importance to medium.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 83700] VIEWING: title bar should be graphically merged into top menu bar on OS X ( all components)

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Tor Lillqvist  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|NEW |NEEDINFO

--- Comment #8 from Tor Lillqvist  ---
The title of this bug is somewhat weird. The title bar of a window is not
necessarily even close to the menu bar of the desktop. How could they be
merged?  The window can be moved around and resized freely, and the title bar
stays with the window. The menu bar is always at the top of the desktop.

Did the initial reporter mean that the title bar of a LO window and its
contents, especially the area with LO tools etc right below the title bar,
should be merged visually? That would make more sense. But note that native
macOS apps that look like that use the system API for "toolbars" presumably. LO
does not. So it is not trivial.

Anyway, setting to NEEDINFO in the (vain?) hope that the bug reporter would
tell what they actually mean.

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--- Comment #7 from Tor Lillqvist  ---
@Matthew: No, we should not do any non-system theming stuff. We should behave
and look like proper macOS app do. Not like some other multi-platform open
source application. This is my opinion.

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--- Comment #6 from Tor Lillqvist  ---
Created attachment 142166
  --> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=142166=edit
Pages screenshot

But sure, ideally it should look as much as possible like Pages, I guess. But
is this really of "high" importance?

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Tor Lillqvist  changed:

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 CC||t...@iki.fi

--- Comment #5 from Tor Lillqvist  ---
Created attachment 142165
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TextEdit screenshot

Do you mean that the colour of the LibreOffice window title bars is dark? Is
that what annoys you? Or what? Compare to TextEdit in this screenshot.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 83700] VIEWING: title bar should be graphically merged into top menu bar on OS X (all components)

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Alex Thurgood (retired)  changed:

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 CC||scopelm...@gmail.com

--- Comment #4 from Alex Thurgood (retired)  ---
*** Bug 98228 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 83700] VIEWING: title bar should be graphically merged into top menu bar on OS X (all components)

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Jan Holesovsky  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|RESOLVED|NEW
 Resolution|DUPLICATE   |---

--- Comment #3 from Jan Holesovsky  ---
This should not be a duplicate, but a follow-up bug actually, no point in
sorting everything out in one bugreport...

This is a known limitation, and it is quite hard to make the look so that the
gradient spans over the entire top of the application.  Not impossible - but
hard :-)

Needs somebody with a Mac to work on this; unfortunately I don't have one...

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Iandol ian...@gmail.com changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|NEW |RESOLVED
 Resolution|--- |DUPLICATE

--- Comment #2 from Iandol ian...@gmail.com ---
Hi, I think bug 69358 is already dealing with the title bar (normally titlebar
and toolbar are combined on OS X and that is IIUC the intent of that bug), this
should be set as a dup of that.

*** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of bug 69358 ***

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Sierk Bornemann sie...@gmx.de changed:

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   Priority|medium  |high

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Version|4.1.0.4 release |unspecified

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Matthew Francis fdb...@neosheffield.co.uk changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|UNCONFIRMED |NEW
   Severity|normal  |enhancement
 CC||fdb...@neosheffield.co.uk
 Ever confirmed|0   |1

--- Comment #1 from Matthew Francis fdb...@neosheffield.co.uk ---
Confirmed. Setting to:
- NEW
- Enhancement
(Could set Version to Inherited from OOo as it's always been that way, but as
it's more of an enhancement than a bug I'm not sure if that's helpful)

This would/should go together nicely with the support for the Theming
mechanism formely known as Persona which LibreOffice already has. That is to
say, when a theme is active, it should spread seamlessly into the title bar in
the same way that it does in Firefox.

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