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Sorry, wrong report ... :( 
I meant bug 133974.

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Well. I found more tool tips missing and did not find a dublicate report:

CALC:

Tool tip is missing in Sidebar - Alingment - Text orientation - "Vertically
stacked" check box

WRITER

Tool tips are missing in Sidebar - Page (Every property is without a tool tip:
in Format, Styles, Header, Footer

DRAW:

Tool tips are also missing in Sidebar - Page

IMPRESS:

Tool tips are missing in Sidebar - Slide

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Jim Raykowski committed a patch related to this issue.
It has been pushed to "master":

https://git.libreoffice.org/core/commit/350bf42540ff810a142538c5fd8ec2a78d430091

tdf#89566 Replace navigation toolbox in Writer navigator

It will be available in 7.0.0.

The patch should be included in the daily builds available at
https://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/ in the next 24-48 hours. More
information about daily builds can be found at:
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Affected users are encouraged to test the fix and report feedback.

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--- Comment #46 from Jim Raykowski  ---
Here is an updated version that only includes the navigation toolbox
replacement and some code improvements:
https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/core/+/87005/

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--- Comment #45 from Jim Raykowski  ---

Ok Jay, 'drag mode' group button moved to the end of the second line and
replaced with a separator.

here is a link to the commit 
https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/47033/

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--- Comment #44 from Yousuf Philips (jay)  ---
(In reply to Jim Raykowski from comment #41)
> If there is interest in what is here I will commit.

Go for it Jim, but move the 'drag mode' group button to the end of the second
line and replace it with a separator. We'll deal with the removal of controls
from the second line later.

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--- Comment #43 from Jim Raykowski  ---
(In reply to Cor Nouws from comment #42)
> (I didn't read back all details of the discussion here, but it looks to me,
> that the same functionality is present. Correct?)
> Thanks!
> Cor

Yes the Navigator has the same fu

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--- Comment #42 from Cor Nouws  ---
(In reply to Jim Raykowski from comment #41)

> Attached is a screenshot of what I have done for this. The first line

Hi Jim,
Looks nice and clean to me.
(I didn't read back all details of the discussion here, but it looks to me,
that the same functionality is present. Correct?)
Thanks!
Cor

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--- Comment #41 from Jim Raykowski  ---
Created attachment 138606
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navigator screenshot

Hi All,

Attached is a screenshot of what I have done for this. The first line follows
Jays second mockup minus the image labels. The second line is a rearrangement
of items presently available. The 'Navigate By' drop down and previous and next
arrows are the same uno controls used in the Findbar. The 'Go To page' edit
spin control is a new uno control created for use here. I committed it for
review a while back to granulate. 

If there is interest in what is here I will commit.

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--- Comment #40 from sophie  ---
(In reply to Yousuf Philips (jay) from comment #37)
> (In reply to Jim Raykowski from comment #36)
> > Samuel Mehrbrodt asked for comments on possibly dropping this navigation
> > stuff from the Navigator.
> > https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=79167#c38
> 
> I would assume that the navigation stuff is a crucial part of navigator, as
> you are able to jump through elements of a particular type according to a
> document's order, which isnt possible within the tree view of the navigator,
> and a number of the elements in navigation (e.g. footnote, control) arent
> listed in the tree view.
> 
> @Cor, @Stuart, @Sophie: what is your take now that navigation is in the find
> toolbar?

Several elements are not present out of the Navigation bar and are needed, so
I'll keep it as it is currently - Sophie

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--- Comment #39 from Jim Raykowski  ---
I will continue working on this. The 'Navigate By' controls used in the Findbar
are able to be used in the Navigator panel content toolbar. This has resulted
in a fair amount of code reduction. Maybe this is a good place to do a commit
before diving into the headings stuff that Yousuf has suggested in the mockups?
I can post a screenshot for comments if that would be better at this point.

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--- Comment #37 from Yousuf Philips (jay)  ---
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> Samuel Mehrbrodt asked for comments on possibly dropping this navigation
> stuff from the Navigator.
> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=79167#c38

I would assume that the navigation stuff is a crucial part of navigator, as you
are able to jump through elements of a particular type according to a
document's order, which isnt possible within the tree view of the navigator,
and a number of the elements in navigation (e.g. footnote, control) arent
listed in the tree view.

@Cor, @Stuart, @Sophie: what is your take now that navigation is in the find
toolbar?

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--- Comment #36 from Jim Raykowski  ---
Hello all,

I have been working on implementing the ideas purposed here.

So far I have replaced the small navigator popup window button control with the
new dropdown list control that is used in the Find toolbar. I tried using the
uno scrolltonext/previous controls from the Find toolbar to replace the
next/previous controls in the Navigator content toolbar but they didn't work,
possibly due to not having a context to a document. 

The Document dropdown doesn't seem to always function as intended. I believe
the idea is to be able to use any Navigator for any document?

Samuel Mehrbrodt asked for comments on possibly dropping this navigation stuff
from the Navigator.
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=79167#c38

Maybe it would be better to find a different bug to hack on?
Jim

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--- Comment #9 from Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com ---
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #5)
 Your proposal is much better but has still a lot of controls in the header.
 Why not restrict it to functions that tweak the view below and not the
 document.

Well the mockup has the main three parts in it - the navigation controls so you
can jump up and down between various objects, the page number controls, and the
headers manipulation controls.

 Unclear to me
 * List box on/off
 * Toggle
 * Navigation (looks like a menu button but isn't)
 * Drag mode

Listbox can be removed as its only usable in the floating window. toogle can
likely be removed as its always disabled for me. navigation is already
integrated in the mockup and drag mode can be removed as its available in the
context menu.

(In reply to Cor Nouws from comment #6)
 The the Navigator is floating, that shows/hides the content.

The 'Listbox On/Off' is what shows/hides the content when its floating, the
'Toggle' button is always dimmed no matter what i do.

 You can drag to paste/link parts from one document to another and within the
 document. That offers the choice copy/link/...

Interesting idea. :D

 temporary bookmark. You can have 5 IIRC. Can via the Navigation button
 choose to jump to those. 

Another interesting idea. :D

  anchor-text.

As you have to interact with the document in order to do this, how is this
slower than just clicking the foot/end note number?

(In reply to Cor Nouws from comment #8)
 Missing the controls there that you didn't know the working of ;)

Had to start with the ones i understood first and add the others. :D

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--- Comment #5 from Heiko Tietze heiko.tie...@user-prompt.com ---
Your proposal is much better but has still a lot of controls in the header. Why
not restrict it to functions that tweak the view below and not the document.

Document related
* Promote/Demote chapter
* Promote/Demote level
(Do we need to structure the document from the navigation pane? And there would
be the context menu too.)
* Header/Footer
* Anchor-Text
* Previous/Next page
* Page number
(Just one click away in the document)

Navigator related
* Content view
* Heading levels

Unclear to me
* List box on/off
* Toggle
* Navigation (looks like a menu button but isn't)
* Drag mode

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 Created attachment 113613 [details]
 first mockup
 
 Was messing around with the reorganization and here is the first mockup.

Missing the controls there that you didn't know the working of ;)

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--- Comment #6 from Cor Nouws c...@nouenoff.nl ---
(In reply to Jay Philips from comment #3)
 Hi Cor,
 
 So glad you got to see this one. :D
 
 (In reply to Cor Nouws from comment #1)
  The only reason I could think of, is that when browsing through the
  document, you don't need to leave the Navigator - all is there.
 
 Yes i thought that might be a reason but noticed that the buttons do nothing
 if you are on a page with no header or footer and also that headers and
 footers dont change that frequently in a document, so there isnt a need to
 jump to them that often.

Depend on how the feature Navigator is defined?
I would not miss it, but find it heard to speak for others in such a case..

 By the way, i couldnt understand what the buttons labeled toggle, 

The the Navigator is floating, that shows/hides the content.

 drag mode,

You can drag to paste/link parts from one document to another and within the
document. That offers the choice copy/link/...

 set reminder,

temporary bookmark. You can have 5 IIRC. Can via the Navigation button choose
to jump to those. 

 anchor-text.

Jump between foot/end notes and the marker in the text.

(See the Help for all those, I guess?)

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--- Comment #7 from Cor Nouws c...@nouenoff.nl ---
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #5)
 Your proposal is much better but has still a lot of controls in the header.
 Why not restrict it to functions that tweak the view below and not the
 document.

So a distinct position for controls that are to tweak the Navigator and those
for actions on the content/document.. OK

 (Do we need to structure the document from the navigation pane? And there
 would be the context menu too.)

See all the many duplicates asking for the Word Outline view.
Manipulating with the Navigator is close to that, so must be as easy as
possible to use and well visible.

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--- Comment #1 from Cor Nouws c...@nouenoff.nl ---
Hi Jay,

Thanks :)

(In reply to Jay Philips from comment #0)

 1) Removal of Buttons - The header and footer buttons (both of which need
 better tooltips) arent really necessary in an advanced feature like this, as
 a user could easily click in the header or footer areas.

The only reason I could think of, is that when browsing through the document,
you don't need to leave the Navigator - all is there.

 2) Import Navigation - ...

OK

 3) Grouping Heading Buttons - Heading buttons are scattered across both rows
 and it would be better that they were all next to each other.

Promote/demote chapter are a different type of action than Promote/demote
chapter. So I never found it strange or disturbing to have them a two rows.
But changing wouldn't hurt me probably.

 4) Page number label - ...

OK

 5) Content View - This view is very useful for people wanting an outline
 view, like which is found in MS Word, and clears out other navigator
 categories from view, so it would be beneficial to highlight the two
 navigator views, even if its just a text label.

I don't understand what you mean with  highlight the two navigator views
Also when all categories are shown, it still functions the same (only that drag
and drop is not possible and that the position in the Navigator doesn't follow
the cursor position in the document)

 6) Hiding 'Headings' in Content View - When content view is enabled, there
 isnt a need to show navigator category 'Headings'.

What do you mean with show navigator category 'Headings' That one you refer
to in you #2?  
It's also in non-Content view possible to double click a heading to jump to
it..

 7) Improving Visuals of Hierarchy - ...

OK!

Cor

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By the way: is it your intention to make the Navigator in the Side bad
different than that one floating free ?
Cheers
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Hi Cor,

So glad you got to see this one. :D

(In reply to Cor Nouws from comment #1)
 The only reason I could think of, is that when browsing through the
 document, you don't need to leave the Navigator - all is there.

Yes i thought that might be a reason but noticed that the buttons do nothing if
you are on a page with no header or footer and also that headers and footers
dont change that frequently in a document, so there isnt a need to jump to them
that often.

 Promote/demote chapter are a different type of action than Promote/demote
 chapter. So I never found it strange or disturbing to have them a two rows.
 But changing wouldn't hurt me probably.

I noticed that Word also had it across two lines, though the promote/demote
level buttons had a combobox between them to easy promote/demote to another
level as well as buttons to promote it to the highest level and lowest level. I
think these additional controls maybe useful to be added as well.

Another reason to put them all on the same row was that they all get disabled
when you are not in headings, so it would be easier to ignore the entire line
of icons as they would all be disabled.

 I don't understand what you mean with  highlight the two navigator views
 Also when all categories are shown, it still functions the same (only that
 drag and drop is not possible and that the position in the Navigator doesn't
 follow the cursor position in the document)

Was just stating that this feature needs a bit more focus so users may more
likely try it if they didnt already know about it.

 What do you mean with show navigator category 'Headings' That one you
 refer to in you #2?  
 It's also in non-Content view possible to double click a heading to jump to
 it..

I had initially thought that Content View was exclusive to only Headings, so i
thought it could be removed if that was the case, but i see now that it can be
done for any of the navigator categories. As this is the case, it might be
better to replace the content view button with a combobox that would have the
list content entries in it.

(In reply to Cor Nouws from comment #2)
 By the way: is it your intention to make the Navigator in the Side bad
 different than that one floating free ?

They are identical now, so i dont think there is a reason to change make them
different if they are sharing the same code.

By the way, i couldnt understand what the buttons labeled toggle, drag mode,
set reminder, and anchor-text.

I've also filed a bug to improve the page number control (bug 89553).

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 89566] SIDEBAR: Improving the navigator tab

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--- Comment #4 from Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com ---
Created attachment 113613
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first mockup

Was messing around with the reorganization and here is the first mockup.

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