[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 94427] UI: Show indicator of currently applied style when a different style is selected in styles sidebar

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--- Comment #23 from Eyal Rozenberg  ---
I (think I) would like to see this implemented.

About Heiko's 3 options from comment #11:

* I'm against option (c). I like to be able to move the selection through the
list with a keyboard - which with this option would mean changing styles many
times. I also want to select a style, then move it to someplace else in the
hierarchy - without making any changes to the current document object's style,
thank you very much. I also don't like the style-change-on-hover either -
that's creepy. So _definitely_ not option (c.)!

* I like option (a) better than (b). Zoho's list seems nice. Another argument
here is that a different highlight would be more confusing: A checkmark more
clearly tells me "this is used" than a different-color highlight: Two
highlights - who knows what each of them means?

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--- Comment #22 from Heiko Tietze  ---
*** Bug 136414 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

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[Bug 103459] [META] Sidebar UI and UX bugs and enhancements
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108628
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[Bug 103427] [META] SIDEBAR: Styles and Formatting deck
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--- Comment #21 from Heiko Tietze  ---
Enough input from the UX team, removing the keyword now.

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--- Comment #20 from Cor Nouws  ---
just a note: on working on the formatting of a larger document, that is not
bound to a strict template, it happens multiple times that one edits more
styles one after another, styles that are not active in the document. Of course
you can activate a style first at some random text, but..

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--- Comment #19 from Heiko Tietze  ---
(In reply to Cor Nouws from comment #17)
> It happens regularly that one edits a style that is not selected.

Why? I mean despite the fact that this ticket is about a different issue and my
suggestion works perfectly as a solution, even with the option to edit an
unselected style, it remains very uncommon and counterintuitive to edit
something that is not selected. We talk about the sidebar, btw, and not the
Edit Style(s) dialog, where I could imagine more complicated functions. But
when we continue to implement each and every property in the sidebar and
support all tiny aspect of workflows to satisfy the least 0.001% users, we
loose all Benjamins. So again, how often and for what reason do you change
styles and do not select it (before or directly after)?

Tagging this as no-value. Devs should decide how to implement this feature, and
if right click without selection is a piece of cake, go with it.

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--- Comment #18 from Dave Barton  ---
(In reply to Cor Nouws from comment #17)
> 
> It happens regularly that one edits a style that is not selected. Can also
> be a style from which others inherit. Or a style from a type that is not
> active in the selection (frame, lists..) So I would be rather reluctant
> dropping that.

+1
In the Linux and Windows 64bit editions (maybe others) of 5.2.1 we have already
lost (regressed) the facility to edit a style that is not selected using the
"Edit Style" feature from the formatting toolbar "Styles" drop-down list.
See the (trivial according to developers) Bug 101470 so please let's not
deliberately cripple the alternative facility.

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--- Comment #17 from Cor Nouws  ---
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #15)

> > What do you mean with the last part, drop right click access?
> 
> Today, you can modify a style that is not active by right clicking the
> entry. With single selection this could still be possible, but likely adds a
> lot of coding effort and makes not much sense, workflow wise.

It happens regularly that one edits a style that is not selected. Can also be a
style from which others inherit. Or a style from a type that is not active in
the selection (frame, lists..) So I would be rather reluctant dropping that.

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--- Comment #16 from Bastián Díaz  ---
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #15)
> (In reply to Cor Nouws from comment #12)
> 
> (In reply to Bastián Díaz from comment #13)
> > Although it works similar to the current dropdown menu in the
> > formatting toolbar (without preview). Would it be possible to unify both
> > interfaces?
> 
> What do you mean with unify? 

I mean to show a similar UI, so something for the panel of styles and formats:

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> Dropdowns are by default a collapsed version of
> lists. 

For the same reason, I do not understand why it should be different. The
dropdown list is a short list of paragraph stilys to use and select "More
styles ..." open sidebar with the full list of styles. In the arrow on the
right side can be added to the options actually appear in the context menu.

> The suggested single-click activation makes the indicator obsolete

I imagined that by overlaying the pointer over the selections, they were going
highlighting (several menus operate similarly).

Like this: https://cloud.woelkli.com/index.php/s/NCcQJ1sIju2YNTE

> since there is no chance to have another selection than the active one. But
> again, I think we should aim for a clear and simple workflow and drop
> unnecessary functions. And in my opinion the applied vs. selected
> differentiation is one of those.

I do not think so, for that reason I opened a new improvement report first.

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--- Comment #15 from Heiko Tietze  ---
(In reply to Cor Nouws from comment #12)
> Selecting objects in the Navigator is with double click.

But not having a certain use case in mind, just for sake of some unneeded
functionality (it violates any guideline for no good reason). We made a
proposal to change the behavior of the navigator in general at
https://design.blog.documentfoundation.org/2016/07/31/how-the-navigator-may-support-object-handling-in-libreoffice-draw/
(the styles list is not the navigator tree, though).

> What do you mean with the last part, drop right click access?

Today, you can modify a style that is not active by right clicking the entry.
With single selection this could still be possible, but likely adds a lot of
coding effort and makes not much sense, workflow wise.

(In reply to Bastián Díaz from comment #13)
> Although it works similar to the current dropdown menu in the
> formatting toolbar (without preview). Would it be possible to unify both
> interfaces?

What do you mean with unify? Dropdowns are by default a collapsed version of
lists. The suggested single-click activation makes the indicator obsolete since
there is no chance to have another selection than the active one. But again, I
think we should aim for a clear and simple workflow and drop unnecessary
functions. And in my opinion the applied vs. selected differentiation is one of
those.

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--- Comment #14 from Bastián Díaz  ---
Created attachment 127316
  --> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=127316=edit
Zoho Docs formatting styles menu

Here is another example in Zoho docs (it is the first time I see the redesign)
and has a similar idea which I proposed.

Again I feel it is redundant the menu for styles in properties tab on the side
panel (LO Writer).

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--- Comment #13 from Bastián Díaz  ---
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #11)
> c) we apply the style on single click (and have Undo for the situation when
> users don't know what was set before); pro: typical and intended behavior of
> a list selection; con: nothing, but the right click for non-active
> selections needs to be treated differently (guess we can drop this)
> 

Sounds good. I had thought so, but did not want to transform LibreOffice in MS
Office. Although it works similar to the current dropdown menu in the
formatting toolbar (without preview). Would it be possible to unify both
interfaces?

Besides the lack of an indicator it is still necessary. For example if you want
to go for some styles before choosing a new (applied style vs selected style). 

An example of this is the revamped user interface of Zoho Docs.

Note: Additionally you could add the options "apply" and "update" to the
context menu when you select a style with the right mouse button.

> I vote for c), perhaps with the addition to temporarily apply the style when
> the cursor hovers over a list item (that's by the way how Microsoft Word
> handles this).

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--- Comment #12 from Cor Nouws  ---
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #11)

> a) as proposed an icon to indicate what's currently effective; pro: flexible
> and easy to implement, con: trust on the icon, still weird

> b) the active style is highlighted differently to the selected item (an
> example is 'New mockup' (perhaps with an ant street around the active style
> instead of the gray background); pro: that's common behavior and often
> applied for active selections; con: not so easy to implement

I thought this was proposed?

> c) we apply the style on single click (and have Undo for the situation when
> users don't know what was set before); pro: typical and intended behavior of
> a list selection; con: nothing, 

Selecting objects in the Navigator is with double click.

> but the right click for non-active
> selections needs to be treated differently (guess we can drop this)

What do you mean with the last part, drop right click access?

> I vote for c), perhaps with the addition to temporarily apply the style when
> the cursor hovers over a list item (that's by the way how Microsoft Word
> handles this).

That type of feature is nice yes.

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--- Comment #11 from Heiko Tietze  ---
Bastian is right that there is a gap. Additionally to the styles list itself we
have also an issue when you single click an entry and go back to the text
without activating the selected style. The selection does not reflect the
effective style.

We have a number of options:

a) as proposed an icon to indicate what's currently effective; pro: flexible
and easy to implement, con: trust on the icon, still weird
b) the active style is highlighted differently to the selected item (an example
is 'New mockup' (perhaps with an ant street around the active style instead of
the gray background); pro: that's common behavior and often applied for active
selections; con: not so easy to implement
c) we apply the style on single click (and have Undo for the situation when
users don't know what was set before); pro: typical and intended behavior of a
list selection; con: nothing, but the right click for non-active selections
needs to be treated differently (guess we can drop this)

I vote for c), perhaps with the addition to temporarily apply the style when
the cursor hovers over a list item (that's by the way how Microsoft Word
handles this).

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   |still show (a changed)  |when a different style is
   |selection shadow on the |selected in styles sidebar
   |applied style   |

--- Comment #10 from Yousuf Philips (jay)  ---
Seems like a good idea and hope it would be easy to implement.

@Heiko: what you think?


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[Bug 65138] [META] Sidebar feature related issues
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