[Libreoffice-qa] Java 7 support in LO 3.4.5 (was: [Libreoffice] minutes of tech. steering call ...)

2011-12-09 Thread Stephan Bergmann

On 12/08/2011 05:19 PM, Michael Meeks wrote:

+ back-port Java 7 to 3.4 if no show-stopping regressions in B0 
(Stephan)
AA: + enable Java 7 in 3.4.5  check RC1 feedback (Stephan)


Support for Java 7 (both Linux and Windows) is now also enabled for the 
upcoming LO 3.4.5.  I just checked on Linux that a JRE 1.7.0_01 can be 
enabled on the Tools - Options... - LibreOffice - Java tab page, and 
that File - Wizards - Letter... (which uses Java) looks reasonable.


Would be great if somebody could check Java 7 more thoroughly, for both 
upcoming LO 3.4.5 and 3.5.


Thanks,
Stephan
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Java 7 support in LO 3.4.5 (was: [Libreoffice] minutes of tech. steering call ...)

2011-12-09 Thread Pedro Lino
 Support for Java 7 (both Linux and Windows) is now also enabled for the
 upcoming LO 3.4.5.  I just checked on Linux that a JRE 1.7.0_01 can be
 enabled on the Tools - Options... - LibreOffice - Java tab page, and that
 File - Wizards - Letter... (which uses Java) looks reasonable.

 Would be great if somebody could check Java 7 more thoroughly, for both
 upcoming LO 3.4.5 and 3.5.

I'm new to this QA system, but wouldn't it be useful to know when
(date/time) this was added?

There isn't a 3.4.5 branch yet so I assume this can be tested on the
master? The latest Win daily is from Dec 7th so it probably doesn't
include that fix?

Is there a list of functions that depend on Java? Or a Java test for LO?
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [Libreoffice] Java 7 support in LO 3.4.5 (was: minutes of tech. steering call ...)

2011-12-09 Thread Tor Lillqvist
 I'm new to this QA system, but wouldn't it be useful to know when
 (date/time) this was added?

Added where? You need to realise that we use a *distributed* version
control system, git, and time stamps are not important, as far as I
understand it.

Sure, in our case there are central repositories to which all
developers push their changes, and from which they pull changes by
others. But that is just our convention. And still, time stamps don't
necessarily make much sense. All repositories in principle are equal,
and there is no hierarchy in a strict sense (except by convention).

Would you be interested in the time stamp when a change was committed
to the developer's local repository? Or when it was pushed to our
central repository? Or when it was pulled from there into the build
machine's repository?

I am not a git expert at all, but the above is my understanding...
that time stamps in git are informational only and can and should not
be used to say if something happened before something else, for
instance. (Indeed, when you push commits from your local clone, which
might be several days old, they just get appended after newer commits
already in the remote repo.)

Anyway, you can check the git logs at
http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/ . It's easy for the
master branch where all the code is in a single repository, core.
For the 3-4 branch, we use several repositories. The Java 1.7
recognising code we are talking about in this thread in is in the
ure repository,
http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/ure/?h=libreoffice-3-4

 There isn't a 3.4.5 branch yet so I assume this can be tested on the master?

Well, master is quite far from the liboreoffice-3-4 branch.

 The latest Win daily is from Dec 7th so it probably doesn't
 include that fix?

That change has been in master for a long time.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [Libreoffice] Java 7 support in LO 3.4.5 (was: minutes of tech. steering call ...)

2011-12-09 Thread Pedro Lino
Hi Tor, all

Thank you for all the replies

 Added where? You need to realise that we use a *distributed* version
 control system, git, and time stamps are not important, as far as I
 understand it.

Yes, I do realize. They still are important if you are using daily
builds from the central repository.

 Would you be interested in the time stamp when a change was committed
 to the developer's local repository? Or when it was pushed to our
 central repository? Or when it was pulled from there into the build
 machine's repository?

I'm interest in the time a change was committed to the central
repository by a developer (in this case the Java 1.7 change) which can
(I hope!) be compared to the pull time of the dailies in the
tinderboxes.

If this doesn't work this way, please let me know! :)

 There isn't a 3.4.5 branch yet so I assume this can be tested on the master?

 Well, master is quite far from the liboreoffice-3-4 branch.

Fixes applied to the 3.4 branch were added back to the master (I
hope). So until a 3.4.5 build is released this is the nearest approach
to test back ;)

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [Libreoffice] Java 7 support in LO 3.4.5 (was: minutes of tech. steering call ...)

2011-12-09 Thread Tor Lillqvist
 I'm interest in the time a change was committed to the central
 repository by a developer

But developers don't commit to the central repository. They commit to
their local clones of it, and then at some (much) later stage push
outstanding commits to the central repository. And then there are
feature branches and merges...

  Fixes applied to the 3.4 branch were added back to the master (I
 hope).

In this case (and usually) it is the other way around: Fixes are done
on master, and those deemed good and important are cherry-picked to
a stable branch. (Although technically, as we use different repository
structure for master and 3-4 (single core vs. a bunch), it isn't a
cherry-pick.)

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [Libreoffice] Java 7 support in LO 3.4.5 (was: minutes of tech. steering call ...)

2011-12-09 Thread Pedro Lino
 But developers don't commit to the central repository. They commit to
 their local clones of it, and then at some (much) later stage push
 outstanding commits to the central repository. And then there are
 feature branches and merges...

Ok. Wrong wording. What I meant was the time a change was pushed to
the central repository by a developer which is comparable to the pull
time from the central repository.

 In this case (and usually) it is the other way around: Fixes are done
 on master, and those deemed good and important are cherry-picked to
 a stable branch. (Although technically, as we use different repository
 structure for master and 3-4 (single core vs. a bunch), it isn't a
 cherry-pick.)

Excellent. Then all good changes are in the master already :)

Thank you for the clarification ;)

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [bjoern.michael...@canonical.com: [Libreoffice] What is bibisect? And what is it doing in my office?]

2011-12-09 Thread Pedro Lino
  http://people.canonical.com/~bjoern/bibisect-3.5.lzma

 contains:

  - 53 complete office installs between the creation of the core repo and the
   -3-5 branchoff (thats 5000 commits)
  - at 450MB each, that would be ~22GB total
  - however, it is only 749MB total download size, thats 15MB per installation

 And one does not need to install them in parallel as one can switch through 
 all
 of them with a quick git checkout source-hash-XX -- one switch costs 1
 second).

This sounds like a very useful tool.

What do you mean complete office install?

Switch between releases with a git command?

Does this work under Windows???

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [bjoern.michael...@canonical.com: [Libreoffice] What is bibisect? And what is it doing in my office?]

2011-12-09 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi,

On Fri, Dec 09, 2011 at 03:43:11PM +, Pedro Lino wrote:
 What do you mean complete office install?

A dev-install with these configure-flags:

 
http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/contrib/dev-tools/tree/bibisect/build.sh#n34

So no mozilla/binfilter/help/dictionaries, but most bugs are unrelated to that,
thus can be triaged without it. 

 Switch between releases with a git command?
 Does this work under Windows???

In theory yes, but not with the build I uploaded as that one is for Linux
64-Bit. Of course, it should be possible to do the same for other platforms.
In practice, Windows is a bit stupid with regard to installations (among a few
other things), so it might be a bit harder there. Linux is also the fastest
platform to build, so it it the prime candidate to get things started. As most
bugs hit all platforms in the same way, those can already be triaged with this.

Best,

Bjoern

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [Libreoffice] Java 7 support in LO 3.4.5 (was: minutes of tech. steering call ...)

2011-12-09 Thread Norbert Thiebaud
On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 5:20 AM, Pedro Lino pedl...@gmail.com wrote:
 But developers don't commit to the central repository. They commit to
 their local clones of it, and then at some (much) later stage push
 outstanding commits to the central repository. And then there are
 feature branches and merges...

 Ok. Wrong wording. What I meant was the time a change was pushed to
 the central repository by a developer which is comparable to the pull
 time from the central repository.

the problem is that this 'time' is not recorded anywhere. git does not
keep track of it.
So the only way to be 'certain' is to use sha1 and git log to compare
where the sha1 of the build you test is compared to the dha1 of the
alledge fix.

It is possible to do a web service to automate that (that is giving 2
sha1s and it tell you if the second one (the fix) is an 'ancestor' of
the first one (your build)

essentially:  if $(git merge-base build-sha fix-sha) = fix-sha

Norbert
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [Libreoffice] Java 7 support in LO 3.4.5 (was: minutes of tech. steering call ...)

2011-12-09 Thread Norbert Thiebaud
On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 1:55 PM, Pedro Lino pedl...@gmail.com wrote:
 I know, I did it... but you don't have a 'push time'

 :) Thank you, then :)
 Why do I need to know the push time? Any commits that were pushed into
 Central repository before time X are included in the source that is
 pulled after time X... I think?

sure. but then how do you known 'when' a given fix was pushed ? (and
bear in mind timezone :-))



 It would be great if that information was added BOTH to the About box
 and to the tar/msi file name! Please do consider it :)

for dailies: to download it you already have all that info since
otherwise you would not have found the file to start with.

for pre-release, we don't want to have too fancy filename, that would
make thing much more dicey when we 'release'...

Norbert
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[Libreoffice-qa] End of the line for 3.3 family and regressions

2011-12-09 Thread Pedro Lino
Hi all

Looking at the Release Plan chart
http://tdfsc.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/libreoffice-versions.png
and wiki
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan
I guess version 3.3.4 is the end of the line for family 3.3.

This means that for many users (and especially for companies, which
only use the most stable build) the next version will (sometimes
forcefully :) ) be 3.4.5.

I think this carries (from a QA point of vue) a much heavier
responsibility and care than the change from 3.4.4 to 3.5.0 (which is
experimental)

The planned release date for 3.4.5 is on January 11, 2012 and
apparently there won't be any Beta releases, it will jump directly to
RC1.

I urge everybody to make sure that EVERY regression detected from
3.3.x to 3.4.x is fixed/added to the 3.4 branch

E.g. A bug fix such as this
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42958
needs to be cherry picked to the 3.4 branch

I volunteer to do any checking (within my limited knowledge) on the
Windows x86 platform but someone with more experience needs to do an
exhaustive search on the Bug tracker (Rainer?)

Regards,
Pedro
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Call for LO-3.5.0-beta1 pre-tag testing

2011-12-09 Thread Andras Timar
2011/12/9 Pedro Lino pedl...@gmail.com:

 I uninstalled it sometime later and found all these leftovers
 http://db.tt/GbdTzk0y

You use your Windows with an administrator account. It is not
recommended, however I know that many people do this.  Therefore
LibreOffice can write into its own Program Files folder.

It is hard to remove files that were not installed by MSI. Not
impossible, but probably I won't spend time on that, because AFAIK
Windows 7 does not let this happen. I'm more interested in those
leftovers, if any, when you start LibreOffice with a non priviliged
user account.

Thanks,
Andras
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [Libreoffice] Call for LO-3.5.0-beta1 pre-tag testing

2011-12-09 Thread Thorsten Behrens
Petr Mladek wrote:
 could you please do some testing with the last daily builds from the
 libreoffice-3-5 branch? See below where to get them.

 [snip]
 
 I suggest to use the last daily builds from the following tinderboxes:
 
For your convenience, I've copied the latest builds over to 

 http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/pre-releases

(win32 and mac)

Tinderbox admins: please, if your box has finished uploading a
platform not yet there, please copy that over or poke me.

Thanks,

-- Thorsten


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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [Libreoffice] Java 7 support in LO 3.4.5 (was: minutes of tech. steering call ...)

2011-12-09 Thread Lionel Elie Mamane
On Fri, Dec 09, 2011 at 02:13:12PM -0600, Norbert Thiebaud wrote:
 On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 1:55 PM, Pedro Lino pedl...@gmail.com wrote:

 I know, I did it... but you don't have a 'push time'

 :) Thank you, then :)
 Why do I need to know the push time? Any commits that were pushed into
 Central repository before time X are included in the source that is
 pulled after time X... I think?

 sure. but then how do you known 'when' a given fix was pushed ? (and
 bear in mind timezone :-))

Oh come on, timezones is a solved problem: use UTC times.

As I was arguing on the other thread, commit time (as opposed to
author time) serves the purposes discussed rather well, no need to go
looking for push or pull time: because we usually keep a linear
history, it gives us a notion of before and after. And even in the
cases we do a merge, the nodes in the graph that matter also have a
linear history: The nodes that matter are those that ever were the
HEAD of the branch. Even in case of a merge at M:


 A --- B  C  M --- D --- E
  \ /
   T---F --- G --- H


The nodes T F G H were never the HEAD of the branch (e.g. master or
libreoffice-3-5), so never built by the (same) tinderbox, and M has a
commit time bigger than A, B, C and smaller than D, E.

Remember that the commit time is updated when one rebases or uses git
am; author time is not.

So, really, rather than time at which the tinderbox pulled, I argue
that recorded commit time of the HEAD node is a better identifier to
put in tarball names, about boxes, etc. It is really (within a
branch) a proper global version number, à la SVN revision.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [Libreoffice] Java 7 support in LO 3.4.5 (was: minutes of tech. steering call ...)

2011-12-09 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi,

On Fri, Dec 09, 2011 at 11:36:47PM +0100, Lionel Elie Mamane wrote:
 So, really, rather than time at which the tinderbox pulled, I argue
 that recorded commit time of the HEAD node is a better identifier to
 put in tarball names, about boxes, etc. It is really (within a
 branch) a proper global version number, à la SVN revision.

Timesstamps are _not_ a valid reference to a source tree or order in DSCM.(*)
Never. Not even on Sunday in moonlight.

The only valid reference is the commit-id. IMHO this should really end the
discussion right here.

However, one consession that I think would be acceptable would be to make the
commit-id in the about box a direct link to our cgit e.g.:

 
http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=1d1f049859e080b403c743f7e0604bd72475a824

After all, this is about development builds so we do not have to worry if these
links become invalid some day in the far future if we change our
infrastructure.

Best,

Bjoern


(*) These timestamps are set locally on developer machines, which can their
local time totally fubared. Using timestamps for this is nonsense.
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [Libreoffice] Java 7 support in LO 3.4.5 (was: minutes of tech. steering call ...)

2011-12-09 Thread Lionel Elie Mamane
On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 12:04:36AM +0100, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote:

 On Fri, Dec 09, 2011 at 11:36:47PM +0100, Lionel Elie Mamane wrote:

 So, really, rather than time at which the tinderbox pulled, I argue
 that recorded commit time of the HEAD node is a better identifier to
 put in tarball names, about boxes, etc. It is really (within a
 branch) a proper global version number, à la SVN revision.

 Timesstamps are _not_ a valid reference to a source tree or order in DSCM.(*)
 Never. Not even on Sunday in moonlight.

 (*) These timestamps are set locally on developer machines, which can their
 local time totally fubared. Using timestamps for this is
 nonsense.

I'll grant you that a fubared local time is much more likely than a
buggy SHA-1 implementation or whatever else I can imagine. OTOH, time
the tinderbox started this build has IMHO *worse* problems, and
that's what is being used now, so at least we are making it
better. Solution is not perfect, so we have to stay with even worse
solution is not a valid line of thought for me.

More generally, I don't think that full strictness on that is worth
the added effort for *every* tester to open a cgit web page and hunt
for an arbitrary string in a long list *each* time he/she wished the
answer to the simple question of does this build I'm running /
testing come from earlier / later / same code than this/that fix or
this/that other build.

Timestamps solve that problem in... 95%? 99%? of cases... Good enough
IMHO. We are not speaking about putting *only* the timestamp(s) as
*only* identifier, only to give them as an added information for human
convenience, not as things scripts would use as unique identifier.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Call for LO-3.5.0-beta1 pre-tag testing

2011-12-09 Thread Petr Mladek
Pedro Lino píše v Pá 09. 12. 2011 v 19:07 +:
 Hi all
 
  could you please do some testing with the last daily builds from the
  libreoffice-3-5 branch? See below where to get them.
 
  It would be great if you replay this mail and describe your feeling.
  Please mention the git commit IDs from the about dialog from the tested
  build. We might want to use the tested commit for the beta1 build.
 
 I have successfully installed build
 2011-12-09_12.44.50_LibO_3.5.0beta0_Win_x86 under Win XP Pro x86 SP3.
 
 I am glad to confirm that Bug 42979 - Wrong application icon on the
 MSVC Master is indeed fixed :)
 
 However, even though the installer correctly uninstalled my existing
 LibO-dev 3.5 build, it created a group named LOdev 3.5 and installed
 into a folder with the same name under %ProgramFiles%.
 This is not a bug but the name change is a bit odd...

It is so-called dev build. We are going to do beta builds this way. It
allows to install these builds in parallel with the final build.

Best Regards,
Petr

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [Libreoffice] Java 7 support in LO 3.4.5 (was: minutes of tech. steering call ...)

2011-12-09 Thread Norbert Thiebaud
On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 5:04 PM, Bjoern Michaelsen
bjoern.michael...@canonical.com wrote:
 Hi,


 Timesstamps are _not_ a valid reference to a source tree or order in DSCM.(*)
 Never. Not even on Sunday in moonlight.

 The only valid reference is the commit-id. IMHO this should really end the
 discussion right here.


+1
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [Libreoffice] Java 7 support in LO 3.4.5 (was: minutes of tech. steering call ...)

2011-12-09 Thread Pedro Lino
 We are not speaking about putting *only* the timestamp(s) as
 *only* identifier, only to give them as an added information for human
 convenience, not as things scripts would use as unique identifier.

That is exactly the point. Quoting a previous answer to Norbert

 it is less reliable and at best redundant with the git-sha...

Redundant is good! Especially if the redundant information can be
understood by non-technical users ;)

This is not a SHA vs Timestamp discussion. It is a simple Please Add both

Peace!

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Pedro
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [Libreoffice] Call for LO-3.5.0-beta1 pre-tag testing

2011-12-09 Thread Petr Mladek
Petr Mladek píše v So 10. 12. 2011 v 00:54 +0100:
 Cor Nouws píše v Pá 09. 12. 2011 v 22:44 +0100:
   Linux (still not uploaded):
  
  will have to wait for those though ;-)
 
 Fridrich uploaded 32-bit build at
 http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/Linux_x86_Release_Configuration/libreoffice-3-5/
 
 It is done on the release build machine = it should install everywhere
 like the normal release builds. It is an incremental build. We do not
 want to wait another day for the regular build provided by the tinderbox
 framework.
 
 The 64-bit build is still building.

The 64-bit build for few localizations is being uploaded at
http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/Linux_x86_64_Release_Configuration/libreoffice-3-5/

It is built the same way like the 32-bit build, see above. We started
the regular tinderbox again.

Please, do not get confused that the two Linux builds has the version
beta0 in the name a no time, ... They were uploaded manually. The builds
produced by tinderbox will have the right names for dailies again.

We are sorry for the inconvenience.

Best Regards,
Petr



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