Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [Libreoffice] [board-discuss] Re: End of the line for 3.3 family and regressions
People who think there should be zero regressions are welcome to donate the necessary time and financial resources to make it happen. Michael Meeks wrote: Hi Pedro, On Sat, 2011-12-10 at 11:46 +, Pedro Lino wrote: This isn't simply a matter of checking and reporting bugs. It involves the Quality of a product this Community claims to be Enterprise ready. IMO there can be NO regressions. Having no regressions is really a feature. That makes it rather incompatible with a time-based release schedule. It is also a highly expensive feature, and it is unclear who is going to do the work fixing every regression in 3.4.x, particularly as the majority of dev. work has switched focus to improving 3.5.x, and particularly since many bugs can be classed as regressions if we try hard :-) I agree with you that the claim of Enterprise ready is perhaps somewhat misleading and IMHO rather unhelpful. LibreOffice is not Enterprise ready without enterprise support (which is capable of fixing any regressions or issues a customer may experience). No matter how good the job we do, customers will always find more bugs they need fixing, regression or not. The TDF BoD and the Devs need to make a decision about how to handle this. I would recommend sticking to our time-based release schedule - there are rather a number of nice bug fixes in 3.4.5 as it is, I've been watching a few longer standing issues get nailed there. Having said all that, I don't see that 3.4.5 has to be the last release in that series. I anticipate that people will still continue to merge critical and/or obviously correct fixes and/or security fixes to the libreoffice-3-4 branch, and we may have a 3.4.6 at some stage. We had a particularly long 3.5 development cycle, so ... Of course, if some enterprise wants to support 3.4.x and continue porting fixes to it releasing they are of course most welcome to do that indefinitely. What we need to do about the 3.3.x bugs, I don't know. If we have no resources to re-test them vs. 3.4 - I would suggest we wait until we have a good 3.5 beta to point at, and close them all with a comment asking users to reproduce them in 3.5 and re-open/re-target them at that version. But perhaps that is too harsh ? :-) either way, leaving bugs malingering vs. 3.3.x while knowing full well that they'll be hidden vs. that version is not so useful I think. At least, that's my take :-) HTH, Michael. Disclaimer: http://www.peralex.com/disclaimer.html ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] End of the line for 3.3 family and regressions
Pedro Lino píše v Pá 09. 12. 2011 v 20:34 +: Hi all Looking at the Release Plan chart http://tdfsc.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/libreoffice-versions.png and wiki http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan I guess version 3.3.4 is the end of the line for family 3.3. IMHO, community can't support too many stable versions. Customers who need it, have to pay someone for it. We should leave 3.3 and concentrate on making 3.5 the best release ever. This means that for many users (and especially for companies, which only use the most stable build) the next version will (sometimes forcefully :) ) be 3.4.5. I think this carries (from a QA point of vue) a much heavier responsibility and care than the change from 3.4.4 to 3.5.0 (which is experimental) I think that there is no need for panic :-) 3.4 has been out since, Jun 1, 2011. We did 4 bug fix releases. There was plenty of time to escalate bugs that would break people from using this version and there were many possibilities to get these fixes. In addition, as Michael said, 3.4.5 need not be the last bugfix release for the 3.4 version. I am sure that we will do another one if there is a reasonable demand from users and fixes from developers. The planned release date for 3.4.5 is on January 11, 2012 and apparently there won't be any Beta releases, it will jump directly to RC1. We should not need beta versions. We do not do big or dangerous changes between bug fix releases. All changes are reviewed. If we would want to include anything dangerous, we would ask for extra testing. I am sure that we added regressions between bugfix release in the past (we are just humans) but I do not remember anything serious. I urge everybody to make sure that EVERY regression detected from 3.3.x to 3.4.x is fixed/added to the 3.4 branch This is not realistic. Every application has bugs and every version adds regressions. This is true for any software, not only for LibreOffice. It would take thousands man-years to fix all bugs in LO. If you want to release software at some point, you need to do compromise. There are good processes (severity, priority, most annoying meta bug) that helps to focus on important things, optimize the cost and value, and make this working in a real life. Best Regards, Petr ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [Libreoffice] [ANNOUNCE] Branch libreoffice-3-5 created
Rainer Bielefeld píše v Po 12. 12. 2011 v 13:52 +0100: Petr Mladek schrieb: Hi all, as promised, we have created a branch for the stabilization of the 3.5.x releases, called 'libreoffice-3-5'. It is based on master, last pull on December 6, 2011 at about 13pm UTC. See also the tag libreoffice-3-5-branch-point. Hello, I am a little concerned what happened with fixes between branch and today. I believe most of later fixes will be cherry picked to 3.5Beta, but may be we have to check that additionally for fixes of the last days? Bugs https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?chfield=resolutionchfieldfrom=2011-12-05chfieldto=2011-12-13chfieldvalue=FIXEDlist_id=24678product=LibreOfficequery_format=advancedorder=changeddate%2Cbug_id%20DESCquery_based_on= with fixes from 2011-12-05 to 2011-12-05 might be affected. Every developer who fix a bug is responsible for pushing the fix into all appropriate branches (master, libreoffice-3-5, or even older branches). We do not do any regular merges between branches. Also we do not have any dedicated person who would take care of this. The idea is that people are responsible. Authors of fixes know most details about them. They could best decide how the fix is important, dangerous, and where it is needed. If they are unsure, they could always ask for review and opinion from other developers on irc or the mailing list. Of course, people do mistakes. They might underestimate the importance or just forgot to push a fix. In this case, I expect that the reporter will complain that a fix is still missing. We have many betas, release candidates, and bug fix releases, so there are many possibilities to add the fix later. Best Regards, Petr ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Call for LO-3.5.0-beta1 pre-tag testing
Petr Mladek píše v Po 12. 12. 2011 v 16:57 +0100: So, I am going to use the following commits for beta1: core: 35c8573c2d544bfbc7868cb20afcb0439b4fdafc binfilter:7f15fcac486ea45c3ca77db7f93506850a022e5e dictionaries: 95bcc5e8d51b8d8e153400380d522fb603c5b894 help: 4c1bcb50f9441af32d8fcc9ffb7a53b513799b9f translations: 5bcbce4eaf65f72c722b311dfed5a5c37071c935 Ah, I pasted numbers from wrong terminal for dictionaries and help repos. The really used commits will be: dictionaries: 1f1fd1aea4d2508bcecaa27a81fa1257c836713a help: ca8e46dfc7ea7250c9de721a55fe0b99a7cf47c0 In addition, I am going to cherry-pick the following rather important fixes: 90bf7efd26d6d1bf047238857c429de9d0dbeed7 CppunitTest_sw_macros_test.mk: depends on vbaswobj f5ac85575ad7066c9490c423cdfeba72df3d78fc do nothing in buildpl stage for debugrun 57f4258e93aeed47bf8305602ae1acd2a20154b1 cairo: fix RPATH: d75885f5190ef3bc12932db281af4ac74f7a0616 fix problems with generation of download name ea0bc3c3d48ff750dc76442b1e4f1ac4d2e9a42d change PRODUCTNAME back to LOdev, because prev. change broke Linux packaging fb8c93b5aa90501bf33dffe075390cc7f1e71c22 use PACKAGEVERSION as the base of MSI ProductVersion 96e3f652ad0c02140fea42790e2d0a2baabb45d8 stop saying 15 on stdout (cherry picked from commit 6765b2b71544a1ca0957fbd5e04062c274a24f45) bba94fcd7ed28cf2f927df4d898e38c6cb97f4af Resolves: CVE-2011-4599 (cherry picked from commit cf5d0e20f2ba5a71f9ca2ed78a1b24841c97bb06) 6bbbe8bfe6de8502df7807c6408b4023c73aeb16 bump product version to 3.5.0-beta1, release number to 1 This stays the same. Best Regards, Petr ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] [ANNOUNCE] libreoffice-3.4.99.1 tag created (3.5.0-beta1)
Hi, there have been created the libreoffice-3.4.99.1 tag for 3.5.0-beta1 release. The corresponding official builds will be available within 4 days or so. It was delayed by few days because there were several build problems caused by the hectic atmosphere around the feature freeze. Also we did some pretesting to make sure that it would be usable for QA. Thank you all who helped solving all troubles, did testing, and provided feedback. Note that I used the correct version 3.4.99.1 for this beta. We use (3.3.99.X also for 3.4 betas). I am sorry that I used 3.5.0.0 for beta0. The 3.5.0.x version are reserved for release candidates. The list of changes against 3.4 is missing. It is not easy to generate it correctly after the git repository merge. Please, stay tuned. See also the schedule at http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan#3.5_release and release criteria at http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Release_Criteria Now, if you want to switch your clone to the tag, please do: ./g fetch --tags ./g checkout -b tag-libreoffice-3.4.99.1 libreoffice-3.4.99.1 Thanks again everyone who helped to make this happen. Best Regards, Petr ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Java 7 support in LO 3.4.5 (was: [Libreoffice] minutes of tech. steering call ...)
Hi all Would be great if somebody could check Java 7 more thoroughly, for both upcoming LO 3.4.5 and 3.5. Some findings about Java 7 under Win XP Pro x86 SP3: Uninstalled Java 6 rev 29. Run LO 3.4.4. Executed File, Wizard, Letter. Reported missing Java Run LOdev 3.5.0 Build ID: f923851-7f15fca-1f1fd1a-ca8e46d-5bcbce4. Executed File, Wizard, Letter. LOdev crashed. Installed Java 7 rev 1 without rebooting Run LO 3.4.4. Executed File, Wizard, Letter. Reported missing Java Run LOdev 3.5.0 Build ID: f923851-7f15fca-1f1fd1a-ca8e46d-5bcbce4. Executed File, Wizard, Letter. LOdev crashed. Run again LOdev 3.5.0 Build ID: f923851-7f15fca-1f1fd1a-ca8e46d-5bcbce4. Went to Options, Java, selected Version 1.7.0_01 Executed File, Wizard, Letter. Wizard worked as expected. Uninstalled Java 7. Rebooted Installed Java 7 rev 1 and rebooted Run LO 3.4.4. Executed File, Wizard, Letter. Reported missing Java Run LOdev 3.5.0 Build ID: f923851-7f15fca-1f1fd1a-ca8e46d-5bcbce4. Executed File, Wizard, Letter. Wizard worked as expected. Conclusion LO 3.4.4 works like a charm but won't detect Java 7; LO 3.5.0 crashes on Wizard execution if Java is not installed or was not detected. Works as expected when Java is detected or selected. One question: if both Java versions are installed and I do not specify which one to use, which version is used? -- Pedro ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANNOUNCE] libreoffice-3.4.99.1 tag created (3.5.0-beta1)
On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Petr Mladek pmla...@suse.cz wrote: Hi, there have been created the libreoffice-3.4.99.1 tag for 3.5.0-beta1 release. The corresponding official builds will be available within 4 days or so. Mac OSX x86 build uploading now at http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/pre-releases/mac/x86/ ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
