Re: [Libreoffice-qa] LO 3.5.0.rc3 : deployment, gpo, msi, vc2008, etc.

[Andras Timar]

Hi,

2012/2/7 Jean-Baptiste Faure :
> Hi all,
>
> In the FR community, several users said that it is impossible to deploy
> LO 3.5.0 rc[1|2|3] under MS-Windows-7 using GPO.
>
> Did some of you try to do that ?
> It seems that there is a problem with the fact that the redistributable
> vc2008 is included in the msi.
>

I guess we really need your input about this issue, e.g. a detailed
bugreport. I'll investigate.

Thanks,
Andras
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Issues with 3.5.0 - ready for release ...

[Cor Nouws]

Cor Nouws wrote (07-02-12 01:08)


However, I have no idea if the issues from the last weeks have been
spotted / judged consequently and with enough detail (looking at what
happened with the issues from January 21 and 22, I have to doubt
seriously alas.)
So, though the overall impression is OK (as is with builds from the
master) as long that checking issues from the last weeks is not clear, I
would not bet on it.


A query for bugs between Jan 23 and Febr 5th. shows 103 issues:

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=runnamed&namedcmd=350-21-1_7-2&list_id=39548
 (cannot check now if I marked that public available...)

Quite some that are not yet looked at...
I see active people in testing, that definitely will appreciate when 
their commits get attention :-)


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[Libreoffice-qa] LO 3.5.0.rc3 : deployment, gpo, msi, vc2008, etc.

[Jean-Baptiste Faure]

Hi all,

In the FR community, several users said that it is impossible to deploy
LO 3.5.0 rc[1|2|3] under MS-Windows-7 using GPO.

Did some of you try to do that ?
It seems that there is a problem with the fact that the redistributable
vc2008 is included in the msi.


Best regards.
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] credits for people doing QA

[Cor Nouws]

Cor Nouws wrote (04-02-12 23:39)


Suggestions remarks?


Thanks to all for the remarks, ideas.

My summary for now:
- we could do statistics for submitted bugs and (I hope) for added comments.
And then maybe stop at the minimum of 10 ?

Another idea that I've got: we can make it an community issue:

People on the QA list, suggest their peers or  just people the notice, 
that are active.
So then we can mention such a person with a summary, or with a little 
interview.
We the also could ask on e.g. the users list if there are people that we 
definitely/maybe should add to the list/gallery.


How does those sound?

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[Libreoffice-qa] Issues with 3.5.0 - ready for release ...

[Cor Nouws]

Hi,

As promised to Thorsten on Sunday, I've been looking at 3.5.0 and issues.

I looked at issues that I've seen, that are at 37361 and at the 44 
issues filed during our second BugHuntSession (little delay :-\ )


Added some comments, added some to bug 37361 etc.
Quite some have already been picked up. Thanks a lot!

 = = =

Some remarks about issues that, as far as I know, don't have attention 
as for now:

- the print issues from:
  https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37361#c173
- captions/cross refs
  https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37361#c172

- There there are some issues around documents with field:
  (attention to at least explain / value these, would be great.)
  - Bug 45341 - Saving document with a input list field as a .doc file
  makes the input list field read-only
  - Bug 41798 - FORMATTING: Opening a specific .doc file
  (frames, fields) gives wrong formatting
  Regression in Libreoffice 3.3/4

 = = =

So... as for 3.5.0rc3:
In the issues I know, I do not see issues that should be blocker
(maybe Bug 45584 - presentation view defective, but I know others looked 
at that one.)


However, I have no idea if the issues from the last weeks have been 
spotted / judged consequently and with enough detail (looking at what 
happened with the issues from January 21 and 22, I have to doubt 
seriously alas.)
So, though the overall impression is OK (as is with builds from the 
master) as long that checking issues from the last weeks is not clear, I 
would not bet on it.


 = = =

Of course there still are quite some issues, and more container problems 
(as the paper size issue that I've added to 37361).

(Extra hands to create as simple as possible overviews welcome.)

Interested in the findings and opinions of others!

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[Libreoffice-qa] issues with bugzilla

[Cor Nouws]

FYI, filed two issues today:
  Bug 45693 - Lines from text in description / comments often broken
  Bug 45717 - notifications from bugzilla-dae...@freedesktop.org send 
from both PST and from my local time zone


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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] credits for people doing QA

[Pedro Lino]

Hi Nino, all

Having "false-positives" ist bad, of course.
>
> But IMO false-negatives are worse :-/
>

Couldn't agree more :)

There were at least 3 guys that were particularly helpful on the second Bug
Hunting Session while I was online (probably there were many more). I
thanked them publicly on IRC (not the same as a BoD member doing it but
still...) but then there wasn't even a nice Thank you post on the TDF blog
like for BHS 1...
I have already commented with Cor that this was really bad.


>
> So I'd still vote for some type of 'credit points' like Yifan brought in.
>
> In my eyes, it's enough summing them up alltogether, but we also could
> consider to differentiate. But this would end up in something like
>
>  PersonX(12/3/23/8)
>
> which I'd consider rather ugly.
>

That is ugly. I think that rather than showing counts (although it could be
sorted by counts)  it would be much nicer to have something like

Rainer Bielefeld (Since Oct 2011)

or if someone stopped contributing for over a month

Rainer Bielefeld (Between Oct 2011 and Dec 2011)

Eventually people that stopped contributing for e.g. 2 months would be
moved to a linked "Former contributers" (or something similar) page as new
more active people would be more visible. If they returned the original
date would show up (of course the break would count as being active but it
would be petty to reset the starting date...)

This would put more weight into being active rather than a rat race to have
more points over time... Top contributors would still show on top but
without showing the numbers.

Just my 2 (non-dev) cents
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Handling confidential bug report supporting documents

[drew]

On Mon, 2012-02-06 at 11:19 +0100, Cor Nouws wrote:
> Hi Drew,
> 
> drew wrote (06-02-12 00:35)
> 
> > Noticed on slashdot today that someone was complaining about LibreOffice
> > not being willing to deal with their bug report because they had a
> > document showing the defect (I looked at the issue and suspect it may
> > actually be a duplicate BTW) and according to this individual he was
> > told that there was no way for TDF/LibreOffice QA to handle such a
> > document.
> >
> 
> I do not read that the document was confidential, but guess that is what 
> you mean.
> 
> > I've been around the block enough times not to take this at face value
> > necessarily, but I was wondering about it - I thought there had been
> > some work done, procedure wise and even ML wise just for this type of
> > situation.
> >
> > Anyway - I thought about responding to the person on slashdot but
> > thought it best to touch base here first.
> 
> It's always possible to post a document to one of the devs (after having 
> contact) so that it does not end in public archives.
> Have done this myself more than once.

Right, exactly.
- the individual on Slashdot said he was told directly (by email) from
the person triaging the report that this was not possible 
- which is the part I don't quite accept, more likely a little
miscommunication. [my supposition would be something like: he was told
that making an attachment to an issue will always be public and took
that to me it is not at all possible]

Alright well, I'll go back to slashdot and post a clarification after
todays MC call.

Thanks,

//drew

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] credits for people doing QA

[Nino Novak]

Am Montag, 6. Februar 2012, 08:43:30 schrieb klaus-jürgen weghorn ol:
> Hi Rainer,
> 
> Am 05.02.2012 13:47, schrieb Rainer Bielefeld:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > we have some rather reliable Bugzilla statistics for Reporters on
> > , Cor knows
> > them. I do no know any way to get numbers of Comments from current
> > Bugzilla version, and not every edit is a good edit.
> 
> You have the same problem with the wiki credits. Even the spammers get
> one or two credit points and come on the credit list.

Having "false-positives" ist bad, of course. 

But IMO false-negatives are worse :-/

So I'd still vote for some type of 'credit points' like Yifan brought in. 

In my eyes, it's enough summing them up alltogether, but we also could 
consider to differentiate. But this would end up in something like

  PersonX(12/3/23/8) 

which I'd consider rather ugly.

my 2 ¢

Nino
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] credits for people doing QA

[Michael Meeks]

On Sat, 2012-02-04 at 15:53 -0800, Pedro wrote:
> TDF doesn't give any credit. They do appreciate the work and have mentioned
> it several times.

Sure - but we need to fix that; for a start it is only polite, you guys
do great work, and we should recognise that.

> QA people don't write code, don't make changes to the wiki, don't create
> icons. There is no merit :)

Ah - but they do lots of work in bugzilla, which tracks and
date/time/user-stamps every change :-)

> BTW value can't be measured because it's subjective. E.g. Devs just count
> the number of commits not what they consisted of. I have no idea what to
> count for QA.

And of course, all metrics are subject to being gamed, distorted by
chatty bugzilla commenters, or rabid commit-each-line-of-change types
but overall (hopefully) they show something useful.

If we can come up with some nice easy-to-reproduce metric, having them
in the on-line credits for 3.5 and shipping them in 3.5.1 seems like an
excellent idea.

Regards,

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Handling confidential bug report supporting documents

[Cor Nouws]

Hi Drew,

drew wrote (06-02-12 00:35)


Noticed on slashdot today that someone was complaining about LibreOffice
not being willing to deal with their bug report because they had a
document showing the defect (I looked at the issue and suspect it may
actually be a duplicate BTW) and according to this individual he was
told that there was no way for TDF/LibreOffice QA to handle such a
document.



I do not read that the document was confidential, but guess that is what 
you mean.



I've been around the block enough times not to take this at face value
necessarily, but I was wondering about it - I thought there had been
some work done, procedure wise and even ML wise just for this type of
situation.

Anyway - I thought about responding to the person on slashdot but
thought it best to touch base here first.


It's always possible to post a document to one of the devs (after having 
contact) so that it does not end in public archives.

Have done this myself more than once.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] credits for people doing QA

[Pedro Lino]

Hi klaus-jürgen, all

They get their own credit points as you can see on the credit list. It
> won't be a direct QA point but it is a counting one.


Well, then that list needs to be updated more frequently so that people
actually see their name on it after a new release (I find it a little
absurd that the LibreOffice wiki contributors' credits are under developers
who never contributed to LO... Anyone who did a single commit (even a
thousand) back in 2000 is not an LO contributor. IMO that section should be
removed altogether.

E.g. on German ml there are many discussions about potential bugs. Some
> line in a bug report, some are user defined problems. The different people
> on list try out the descriped problems and discuss them. So people do QA
> but it is really uncatchable and uncountable as even all contributions on
> the mls.
>

Can't the German ML community "elect" someone who has a reasonable English
to report the findings in Bugzilla? He/she could register as "German ML
users" and at least there would be a group credit. It seems to me like a
waste of good resources if that testing and discussion stays in the ML
unreported because of a language barrier...

Regards,
Pedro
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