[Libreoffice-qa] gerrit [was: minutes of ESC call ...]
On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 04:55:50PM +0100, Michael Meeks wrote: > * gerrit update (David / Bjoern) > + can we have the patch in the 'new change' mail (Lionel) > + would be nice ! > + two ways to do mailing - better to move to using stream object > and generate our own mails (Bjoern) > + change templates on server-side; would affect all > subscribing to a watched project. This was said in the context of "can we have the patch in the 'new change' mail". Frankly, if I subscribe to a watched project, I'd like to get the patch in my personal email, too; not only in the dev ML mail. So personally, we can change the templates server-side, wouldn't bother me, quite the contrary. > + lots of supposed / bogus patch inter-dependency > + multiple commits when pushed are marked dependent, > even if they are not etc. I kinda understand where that's coming from, but frankly I find that too strict / restrictive from gerrit's part; if the patches commute purely on basis of "do not touch the same lines" (one applies cleanly without the other), then just make them "independent". Yes, might miss "semantic dependencies" like "added a function in a .hxx" in one commit and "use that function" in another commit. But in case of doubt, err on the side of *not* annoying the user. > + please use the './logerrit nextchange' tool to ensure > separate patches stay separate. This "resets --hard" my local branch. Bleh. My local branch should be treated as a "queue" of patches I want to have in this branch, and that are not there yet. Don't force me to meddle with my local queue, just handle it reasonably: 1) Easy way to push just _one_ commit (from the middle of the queue, obviously, else where's the fun) to gerrit. 2) Also an easy way to push my whole queue. (That's what gerrit does now when I push my top ref.) 3) When I repush my queue, recognise that I didn't change anything (except rebasing with changes that came in since then, thus new commit timestamp) and don't create a new patch set, and don't respam the reviewers. If I changed one or several of the commits, *then*, OK, do the "new patch set, mail reviewers" thing. -- Lionel ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Am I crazy or is it LibreOffice 3.6? ; -) Please help to confirm/disprove this nasty bug
Roman Eisele schrieb: noticed some inexplicable increase in .odt file size. Hi Roman, thank you for the warning! I also did some "real life work", did no notice that, but simply did not watch that. Starting tomorrow I will be more clever. Best regards Rainer ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] Am I crazy or is it LibreOffice 3.6? ; -) Please help to confirm/disprove this nasty bug
Hello all, doing some real live work with LibreOffice Writer 3.6 beta 2/3, I have noticed some inexplicable increase in .odt file size. When I took a look at the XML code inside the .odt files, I was surprised: even simple documents were saved with incredibly complex ... structures and with countless automatic paragraph styles and character styles which seemed to appear out of nowhere. It took me two days to track down what exactly is going wrong with paragraph and character styles in LibreOffice 3.6 beta 3; I have tried to describe my observations in the bug 52028. The report is rather lengthy, sorry for this, but I think that an exact description is very important here -- the bug is almost invisible at the UI level, it plays its dirty game completely at the XML level of the .odt files. I still hope that I am doing something wrong (but what?) and that this is not really a new bug in LibreOffice. But it looks so. So please, after I have spent so much time on this issue, could someone else please help by checking this issue -- following the exact steps I have given in my report should be rather easy. And then please tell me if I am wrong or LibreOffice 3.6 ;-) Thank you very much for any help in advance! Roman ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LibreOffice 3.6.0 RC1 test builds available
Hi *, for the upcoming new version 3.6.0, the RC1 builds now start to be available on pre-releases. This build is slated to be first release candidate build on the way towards 3.6.0, please refer to our release plan timings here: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan#3.6_release Builds are now being uploaded to a public (but non-mirrored - so don't spread news too widely!) place, as soon as they're available. Grab them here: http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/pre-releases/ If you've a bit of time, please give them a try & report *critical* bugs not yet in bugzilla here, so we can incorporate them into the release notes. Please note that it takes approximately 24 hours to populate the mirrors, so that's about the time we have to collect feedback. NOTE: This build is in a release configuration and _will_ replace your existing LibreOffice install on Windows. The list of fixed bugs relative to 3.6.0 beta3 is here: http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/pre-releases/src/bugfixes-libreoffice-3-6-release-3.6.0.1.log So playing with the areas touched there also greatly appreciated - and validation that those bugs are really fixed. Thanks a lot for your help, Fridrich ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] LibreOffice QA call 2012-07-12
Hi all, the next LibreOffice QA call is on 2012-07-13 14:00 UTC. See prototype agenda below. pending action items: - write update scenario testcase in Litmus/MozTrap (Kendy) - merge 3.5 and 3.6 in one big bibisect repo (Bjoern) - recheck and tweak bibisect details (Bjoern) - research how it is done on SUSE/if there is a ready-to-use-extension for bugzilla email search improvements (Petr) - draft the NEEDINFO cleanup proposal (Rainer) - quantify: how much potential is there for new l10n/voluteer contributors? (Sophie) structured manual testing (Yifan/Petr?) ... bug wrangling (Rainer): - own bugzilla requirements/improvement tasks http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/How_to_Improve_Bugzilla - NEEDINFO cleanup - 3.5.5 release - 3.6 beta 3 release - resolved/NOANSWER - fr bug hunting session results community building/communication: - upvote important questions on ask.lo.org! ... bibisect for 3.5 release branch and 3.6 master (Bjoern/Korrawit): ... Dial-in numbers for countries outside Germany can be found at: http://www.talkyoo.net/main/telefonkonferenz_internationale_rufnummern Dial-in numbers inside Germany are: +49 40 18881000 (Hamburg, landline) +49 40 95069970 (Hamburg, landline) +49 89 60893 (Munich, landline) +49 1570 3336000 (vistream mobile network) Room: Room number: 53 71 38 No participant PIN is required All calls will be recorded All participants can speak Note that you can also use Skype to join the call. Comments and additions most welcome. Best, Bjoern ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...
* Present: + Pierre-Eric, Stephan, Lionel, Eike, Bjoern, Michael, Cedric, Astron, Thorsten, Rainer, Caolan, David, Petr * Completed Action Items + fix gerrit moderation issues (Bjoern) + help Mirek update Mac installer artwork (Thorsten) + always official artwork in RC1, needs thoufgth + adapt & bring closer the 3.5.6 schedule (Petr) + design team made nice google+ post about new templates (Mirek) https://plus.google.com/u/0/102673546895803839652/posts/B69SRVVi89t * Pending Action Items + notify all committers when we have a nice simple, minimal statement of what is required for gerrit written (Bjoern) + pending Norbert's return + check new templates are using auto-fitting functionality (Thorsten) + crediting: can we separate templates in the credits page (Spaetz?) * Release Engineering update (Petr) + 3.5.5 retrospective + went well, modulo needing another release-candidate + should we extend the gap between RC's - or not ? + prolly not we get few of these fix regressions + 3.5.6 RC1 - July 14th - 2 weeks time. + 3.6.0 RC1 + builds ready, pending Mac PPC builds, announce tomorrow + looking good, but plenty of bugs to fix + 3.6.0 RC2 - Monday deadline AI: + quest for kind volunteer to update the website (Michael) + Unique IP's using 3.6.0 betas so far: + B1 - 1100 + B2 - 1000 + B3 - 220 * GSOC update (Cedric) + time to ensure all evaluations are in; only 2 pending. * UI / design update (Astron) + concerns about green-ness of new branding + leave it as-is for now; fix later in 3.6.2 if people havn't acclimatised to the brightness. + more tweaks to meet branding / alignment requirements => new splashes coming + progress bar appearance on OS/X is poor + about-box / background image work in progress AI: + Mango icons - not in yet, going in ~tomorrow (Astron) AI: + fix CC-By-SA licensing requirements (Michael) * re-basing update (Michael) + 76 modules ~complete, 59 to go + ~17k files re-based. * Solaris compile / status update (Pierre-Eric) + friendly French chap working for Lanedo + couple of weeks of work to make it compile on Solaris with gcc + so far, starts, looks pretty and crashes + involved on IRC (pepp) - debugging and improving things there + focused on Intel initially * un-merged patches in bugzilla (Michael S / Caolan) + halved the numbers of open bugs * cppunit / build issues (Michael) + deferred for Markus / David to be present. * QA update (Rainer) + business as usual + no un-expected problems in 3.6 + no real blockers known currently + Tollef's bugzilla improvements + migrated database to faster & virtualised hardware. + fewer error-message problems so far. * Windows / ldap (Fridrich) + porting from mozilla ldap library to native windows API + moving to openldap included for linux / generic builds + leave mozilla code for addressbook integration, and/or re-write to avoid big chunk of mozilla bundled + use NSS for security pieces * gerrit update (David / Bjoern) + E-mail firehose + initially a bit much, turned it down a bit. + send mails for 'new change' and 'merged' now. + 'merged' is buggy, if you push directly without signing-off on gerrit before; bug filed. + gerritbot: scripting to eg. send mails etc. is in: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/contrib/dev-tools/tree/gerritbot + can we have the patch in the 'new change' mail (Lionel) + would be nice ! + two ways to do mailing - better to move to using stream object and generate our own mails (Bjoern) + change templates on server-side; would affect all subscribing to a watched project. + could we not send mails for committers' changes (Petr) + hard to do (Bjoern) + some benefits + only a few more steps (Eike) + confusion from several routes through the flow + patches are well-formed & apply (Michael) + unwelcome transactional cost (Fridrich) + others havn't tried it yet but should. + still some teething troubles from startup costs (Bjoern) + lots of supposed / bogus patch inter-dependency + multiple commits when pushed are marked dependent, even if they are not etc. + please use the './logerrit nextchang
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Excel Function Meta Bug?
Hi Joel, On Wed, 2012-07-11 at 23:03 -0700, Joel Madero wrote: > I tend to agree and disagree. I think that ultimately it could dampen > creativity but we have to consider some of the facts: Heh - well, there is ongoing work to make us more interoperable. Last I looked there were some patches on the dev list in this vein. I would ask the developers in that area eg. Eike whether they want to have to deal with the hassle of managing dozens of bugs in this area; AFAICS that is unlikely to improve their productivity, even if it tracks the current state better :-) But of course if they want that / would find it helpful that's fine. Thanks ! Michael. -- michael.me...@suse.com <><, Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Excel Function Meta Bug?
On 07/12/12 10:35, Rainer Bielefeld wrote: Joel Madero schrieb: I'd like to make a meta bug for functions that Excel has but that aren't currently supported Hi, I am a little waffing. Such a Meta Bug would allow to get some objective data comparing capabilities of LibO Calc and Excel. But I hate this staring to excel and the boring "Excel does it so and so", that damps all creativity. Without more urgent arguments I currently would not create such a task bug. BTW, I can't see relation of Bug 47164 with such a Task bug. Best Regards Rainer ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/ As of the current time, it appears LO has more functions than Excel (as per the attached document in the bug). So it's kind of a good comparison favouring LO. Also this's good work! ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] LibreOffice Website Bug Hunting Session
Team One, whom I represent, is organizing a bug hunting session for the website. We're inviting everyone to participate. Those invited can send me an email in order to invite you to the event. It will be held online, on Friday the 20th, form 3:30 to 5:30 PM CET. Thanks. Jean. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice-Website-Bug-Hunting-Session-tp3995071.html Sent from the QA mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Excel Function Meta Bug?
I tend to agree and disagree. I think that ultimately it could dampen creativity but we have to consider some of the facts: 1. Our goal (IMO) should be to make the transition from paid/closed source software, to open source software as easy as possible. 2. Most people start with MS Office, just an unfortunate reality 3. If one of our goals is to get more businesses/corporations using LO, increasing the compatibility and ease of transition with MS Excel is a must 4. One of the most consistent complaints that I've personally heard (and after complaints abandonment) of LO and OOo is when something "doesn't work" when it comes from Excel. I think that the reality is that if we push for both creativity and compatibility with Excel we can accomplish both. As for FDO #, my mistake, working on too many things at once. Here is the proper bug: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46918 Just my two cents. Joel On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 10:05 PM, Rainer Bielefeld < libreoff...@bielefeldundbuss.de> wrote: > Joel Madero schrieb: > > > I'd like to make a meta bug for functions that Excel has but that aren't >> currently supported >> > > Hi, > > I am a little waffing. Such a Meta Bug would allow to get some objective > data comparing capabilities of LibO Calc and Excel. But I hate this staring > to excel and the boring "Excel does it so and so", that damps all > creativity. Without more urgent arguments I currently would not create such > a task bug. > > BTW, I can't see relation of Bug 47164 with such a Task bug. > > Best Regards > > > Rainer > ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
