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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of the ESC call 2012-10-11

2012-10-17 Thread Rainer Bielefeld

Thorsten Behrens schrieb:


 + 3.5 MAB needs cherry-picking and folding into 3.6 MAB (some
   don't seem to be valid most annoying)


Hi,

I already started my traditional "End of Lifecycle MAB cleanup", results on

I will shift 3.5 MAB to 3.6 MAB if appropriate of make different 
suggestions.

Keeping current speed this will take until end 2012


 + some thoughts around another 3.5 release


Although I was one of those who brought up these thoughts, I believe 
it's not realistic to hope that an other 3.5 release with 2 or 3 
additional bugfixes will bring significant benefit.
But I believe for 3.6 we should rethink our release policy. We should 
not terminate work on a version  3.6 because most people loose interest 
(because they are busy with next release 3.7), that leads to a situation 
as we have with 3.5.7 that still 77 MAB are unfixed and nobody know why, 
but because the version is ready.


Of course I know that it never will be possible to get really all Bugs 
fixed, but selection what these "remaining unfixed bugs" should be done 
by a founded decision and not by coincidence.


May be something like this can help to avoid surprises 8only a first 
thought):


final release -4 is out:
---
QA does all possible efforts to sort out inappropriate MAB and and to 
add all required info to those bug so that they are really "ready for 
fixing" by developers.


final release -3 is out:

Remaining well prepared MAB will be deployed to developers similar to 
the HardHack proceeding. (QA-calls, ESC-calls, ...)


final release -2 is out:

If developers recognize that it will not be possible to fix particular 
bugs with acceptable "costs" and risk, they add them to a Wiki table 
(prepared by QA) with a short statement concerning these problems.
That will allow additional efforts to get fixes "somehow" overcoming 
these problems


final release -1 is out:

Same as before

Final is out

final discussion concerning remaining unfixed MAB, shift to next 
version's MAB, if appropriate, or what ever else, even may be to do a 
"Final + 1 release" because a solution to fix important remaining MAB 
has been found.


Best regards

Rainer
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2012-10-17 Thread Lionel Elie Mamane
On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 12:14:18PM +0100, Michael Meeks wrote:

> * Meeting organisation / minuting
>   + weekly calls ok ?
>   + better than async mail.

I'm a much more "written word" person than an "oral" person. In a
meeting where people *speak* (and not write), I often have
difficulties keeping track of what is being discussed. The fact I did
not catch that we were discussing that subject and arrived at a
conclusion of "better than async mail" is just an example to the case
in point :-|

So some kind of *written* medium, be it synchronous or not, would be
preferable for me. I've been assuming I'm a small minority in that
regards, so never brought it up. I've actually been regularly reading
the minutes myself to see if I've missed anything :)

This would *also* bring the problems around "written stuff is logged
and never disappears", so I guess we'll want to keep *some* kind of
oral/speech channel around even if everybody is like me :-(

-- 
Lionel
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