Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Feedback page
On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 2:28 AM, Thomas Hackert thack...@nexgo.de wrote: What about some kind of stream with Latest feedback, showing the last entries in short, and which are linked to the mail in the mail archive? Would this be doable? http://gmane.org/rss.php https://github.com/pteichman/mailman-rss http://jmason.org/software/scripts/mailman-archive-to-rss.txt Or is this too much work? looks straightforward :-) --R ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Feedback page
Hello Robinson, *, On Samstag, 16. November 2013 09:11 Robinson Tryon wrote: On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 2:28 AM, Thomas Hackert thack...@nexgo.de wrote: What about some kind of stream with Latest feedback, showing the last entries in short, and which are linked to the mail in the mail archive? Would this be doable? http://gmane.org/rss.php but this is for gmane only ... :( What about our own archives below http://listarchives.libreoffice.org? Will it work with it as well? https://github.com/pteichman/mailman-rss http://jmason.org/software/scripts/mailman-archive-to-rss.txt Both are rather dated ... Are you sure, they will work with our version of mailman? Or is this too much work? looks straightforward :-) I hope so :) Have a nice day Thomas (who has to leave in a couple of minutes ... ;) ). -- Fraud is the homage that force pays to reason. -- Charles Curtis, A Commonplace Book ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...
+ turn on mergedlibs LTO for Windows - any objections ? (Michael) Jesús already replied about the LTO bit, thanks for reviewing. As for --enable-mergelibs, it doesn't look good. Apparently that has never been tried for Windows? Or at least not recently? The option has a help message which says it works for Linux only. OK, it mentioned Android, too, which was wrong information, so maybe the lack of mention of Windows is also just a mistake, and mergelibs has worked for Windows at some stage? (We do build one single merged library for each Android app (and one single merged executable for each iOS app), but not using the mergelibs mechanism.) Anyway, I tried building on Windows with --enable-mergelibs=all, did not succeed. Build stops when linking the chartcontrollerlo library, no imerged.lib found. And indeed I don't see any *merge*.lib anywhere in workdir or instdir. This once again shows how harmful it is to have tons of configuration options. They don't get tested and bit-rot. Each binary option doubles the number of possible configurations. If some change in how LO is built is good, then we should just do it, unconditionally (on some or all platforms, depending on case), not make it into an option that will bit-rot. --tml ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...
This once again shows how harmful it is to have tons of configuration options. And before somebody else replies but you have yourself introduced several 'experimental' configuration options: Sure I need to be re-educated. --tml ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Feedback page
Hi, Am 15.11.2013 20:52, schrieb Robinson Tryon: We've had some great discussion/planning on IRC today, so I want to sum-up what we've said and make some notes for the future: - We like the idea of a feedback page ++1 sounds an excellent idea for me, too. One critical point seems to be the content/look feel of the landing page, so thank you for the draft! (IMHO the page should be nice, short and comprehensive.) And IMHO the community should be given sufficient opportunity to comment on this page and to translate it before it goes life. Did you ask for comments in ux-advice? [...] - First draft: http://testing.eagleeyet.net/~qubit/www-feedback/ How about changing the three primary sign posts to + ASK a QUESTION + REPORT a BUG / file an enhancement request (combine the two as both go to bugzilla/BSA) + GET IN CONTACT with the community / Contribute (with Links to mailing lists/IRC/whatever...) Nino ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Tinderbox builds
Hi Thorsten, On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 12:48 AM, Thorsten Behrens t...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Christian Lohmaier wrote: So my guess it is the extension integration, the bundling of the dictionaries, the enabling of the mozab connector (that then also bundles additional microsoft-runtimes) Yes, indeed that is the case. While the TDF-bots use the --with-distro switch the @42 one uses a minimalistic configure line. That explains the difference in size. Not necessarily a bad thing to have bots build with different switches, so the below statement: @thorsten - bug in the tinderbox scripts? was not related to the different options, but that the bot did only send empty logs to tinderbox and didn't provide any info on its configure switches with the uploaded binaries. If anything, then the setup. Someone throw me over a autogen.input to use, and I stick it in. ;) Oh, not about you should switch to some other flags, just that your bot doesn't upload the build-info along with the binaries (configure options/configure output) and also the logs on tinderbox are empty. They only contain the metadata and the tinderboxprint statment that specifies the revision that was built, but no actual console output of the builds. http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/master/Win-x86@42/2013-11-16_00.17.12/ or empty buildlogs like this: http://tinderbox.libreoffice.org/cgi-bin/gunzip.cgi?tree=MASTERfull-log=1384557601.3379 So buildresults now have been fixed, recent builds actually have a log, but there is no build-info snippet uploaded along with the msis. ciao Christian ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Tinderbox builds
Hi Thomas, On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 7:41 AM, Thomas Hackert thack...@nexgo.de wrote: On Freitag, 15. November 2013 20:39 Christian Lohmaier wrote: On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 7:57 PM, Thomas Hackert thack...@nexgo.de wrote: is this also the reason, why TB 46 still does not build new dailies? this is nothing the thread mentions, so no :-) pardon? I seem not to understand your nothing the thread mentions Don't mind it. That was just nitpicking about language/the citation style. Use of this to refer to something where it is totally unstated what this is. You quoted parts that were about why builds from one bot were larger than others/different configure flags used, and what configure flags are used have nothing to do with the uploading problem. Again: Just nitpicking. Tried to make that clear with the smily, but failed, Just forgot that I wrote it :-) ... :( Do you mean, that this thread is not about TB 46 or something else? That when you tell somebody: Have I already told you about this?, then the other person needs to have a clue what you mean with this before that person can give an answer. So yes, this thread is about some tinderboxes not providing dailies, and yes, all should have been fixed. ciao Christian ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Feedback page
On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 6:51 AM, Nino nn.l...@kflog.org wrote: One critical point seems to be the content/look feel of the landing page, so thank you for the draft! (IMHO the page should be nice, short and comprehensive.) And IMHO the community should be given sufficient opportunity to comment on this page and to translate it before it goes li[v]e. Right now the 'Give Feedback' link in the program just goes to the BSA, so IMHO think that any (halfway decent) feedback page would be an improvement over just a link to the bugtracker. Sophie is taking the lead on the l10n aspects of the feedback page. I think that addition l10n support should be pretty straightforward, but I'm quite happy to have some additional help. Because the feedback page is server-side, we can add translations to the website as they are completed by the individual language teams. Did you ask for comments in ux-advice? Not yet! [ux-advise list cc'd now :-] Hiya UX peeps: Here's the mockup, if people want to take a gander: http://testing.eagleeyet.net/~qubit/www-feedback/ Here's the code: https://github.com/colonelqubit/www-feedback Yes, it needs a little love (especially some padding -- those sentences look so unhappy crammed in to those tiny boxes!). Just send me a pull request and I'll review and merge. How about changing the three primary sign posts to + ASK a QUESTION + REPORT a BUG / file an enhancement request (combine the two as both go to bugzilla/BSA) I like the idea of having two separate 'sign posts' for Bug and Enhancement, because I think that most people see them differently. This also will help us to get enhancements tagged properly as such, which reduces work for QA. (Which is the primary reason I'm pushing this project forward: To get bugs, enhancement request, and questions filed in the right tool) Yes, both 'Bug' and 'Enhancement' buttons will (currently) redirect to the same BSA page, but in the future I hope that we can give a customized bug reporting experience that will be slightly different for bugs and for enhancements. + GET IN CONTACT with the community / Contribute (with Links to mailing lists/IRC/whatever...) I think that some kind of Join the Community sign post would be a great addition. I think it should take a more background role, as it's not exactly a type of feedback and probably won't address the feedback that most site visitors want to leave for us, but I definitely think it should be there. I think we need to offer our users more opportunities to join the community. As an example, I'd love for us to offer some options to bug reporters after they're finished reporting a bug: * Have another bug or question for us? (take them back to the feedback page) * Got some programming chops? Want to take a crack at fixing this bug yourself? (link to Dev get-started page) * File a bug, Confirm a bug: If you help us confirm another bug in our system, we'll be able to fix your bug even faster! (link to some fisher-price instructions on how to find/triage/confirm a bug in Bugzilla) I'd like to keep the 'Give (general) Feedback' sign post on the list for two reasons 1) Some people just like to say 'thanks' to us, and there's no way to do that right now (or give any other general feedback) 2) It gives people a separate place to rant (and might keep some of the fluff out of our bugtracker and Ask site) Best, --R ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Tinderbox builds
Good morning Christian, *, On Samstag, 16. November 2013 17:29 Christian Lohmaier wrote: On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 7:41 AM, Thomas Hackert thack...@nexgo.de wrote: On Freitag, 15. November 2013 20:39 Christian Lohmaier wrote: On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 7:57 PM, Thomas Hackert thack...@nexgo.de wrote: is this also the reason, why TB 46 still does not build new dailies? this is nothing the thread mentions, so no :-) pardon? I seem not to understand your nothing the thread mentions Don't mind it. That was just nitpicking about language/the citation style. Use of this to refer to something where it is totally unstated what this is. ah, O.K. You quoted parts that were about why builds from one bot were larger than others/different configure flags used, and what configure flags are used have nothing to do with the uploading problem. Again: Just nitpicking. Tried to make that clear with the smily, but failed, Just forgot that I wrote it :-) O.K. ... :( Do you mean, that this thread is not about TB 46 or something else? That when you tell somebody: Have I already told you about this?, then the other person needs to have a clue what you mean with this before that person can give an answer. O.K. So yes, this thread is about some tinderboxes not providing dailies, and yes, all should have been fixed. O.K. Thank you for your explanation Thomas. -- The Briggs-Chase Law of Program Development: To determine how long it will take to write and debug a program, take your best estimate, multiply that by two, add one, and convert to the next higher units. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] Does someone have access to ftp server?
Hi All, I'm hoping someone will grant me (or test for themselves) temporary ftp access to a server. https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=62981 I need to verify that this is still a problem with 4.1 - bug is super old and I'd like to just take care of it once and for all. I tried a couple public servers and I just got I/O errors - could be because of limited rights on those public servers. Please let me know if there is a server available and/or if you can test yourself. We need it tested with nautilus and libreoffice 4.1 (no other setup is the same as what they have reported against). Thanks all! Best, Joel ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] Bugzilla Migration: IRC Bots
In preparation for our upcoming Bugzilla migration, the various IRC bots should get an update: 1) Bots should know about bugs.libreoffice.org urls 2) Bots that listen to the channel (e.g. IZBot) should recognize the shorthand (e.g. blo#1234, or whatever we pick...) 3) Bot should spit-out bugs.libreoffice.org urls by the migration day (sooner is fine). Cheers, --R ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
