Re: [Libreoffice-qa] LO 4.2.0.2 opens OLH in browser instead of its own OLH
No problem with RC2 64bits deb version on Ubuntu/gnome-shell 13.10 and french locale for LO. Raymond -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Libreoffice-qa-LO-4-2-0-2-opens-OLH-in-browser-instead-of-its-own-OLH-tp4091348p4091602.html Sent from the QA mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LibreOffice 4.2.0 RC2 test builds available
Hi everyone, Le 2014-01-08 12:41, Christian Lohmaier a écrit : Hi *, for the upcoming new version 4.2.0, the builds for rc2 are now available on pre-releases (windows helppacks still uploading) Besides the usual builds, there are also 64bit builds for Mac available for testing. Reminder: Starting with 4.2.0rc1, developers (and people doing some low-level QA) on windows can make use of the symbol server to get pdb files for debugging the release builds. The symbol server's URL is http://dev-downloads.libreoffice.org/symstore/symbols and starting with 4.2.0rc2 the symbol files are also source-indexed¹. This means the debugger can now download and display the sourcecode that corresponds to the build². see https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/How_to_get_a_backtrace_with_WinDbg on how to make use of it See https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan/4.2#4.2.0_release for the complete schedule. Grab the builds from here here: http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/pre-releases/ The builds include the full set of languages. If you've a bit of time, please give them a try report any severe bugs not yet in bugzilla here, so we can incorporate them into the release notes. Please note that it takes approximately 24 hours to populate the mirrors, so that's about the time we have to collect feedback. Any idea when the test build for rc2 will show on our Pre-release webpage?[1] Cheers, Marc [1] http://www.libreoffice.org/download/pre-releases/ -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] The term Online Help (was: Use of abbreviations in this ML)
Le 2014-01-11 08:05, Christian Lohmaier a écrit : Hi Pedro, *, Am 11.01.2014 12:50 schrieb Pedro pedl...@gmail.com mailto:pedl...@gmail.com: [abbreviations or the term Online Help] ... So let's hear some suggestions. I assume everyone will understand which one is meant when they read the term Offline Help in isolation. If you disagree, please also suggest a different term for that. Ciao Christian I have been following this discussion and the only worry I have is that the doc team is not included on it. IMO, Jean should be aware of this discussion as the acronyms and any potential changes may have an effect on the various documentation terminology that is being used in our docs. It would be nice if any changes were coordinated with all affected groups. From my point of view OLH (Online Help), and, from a vernacular point of view for most users, would mean that once you choose that particular link/menu item, that you would be sent online on the internet for the help files. The OLH menu link, when viewed in context in any particular software package, usually means to a user that she/he will be taken to help files for that particular software available on the internet. IMO, if we would want to make it clearer that the help files are NOT online, then another name/acronym should be created to properly describe the menu choice. Making as short, descriptive, obvious and as literal as possible, IMO, should be our primary goal; this will ensure that all competency levels of users (whether newbies or knowledgeable users) are clear as to the menu choice they are making. Perhaps just labelling Help Documents would be sufficient enough. The fact that there is no online will be obvious enough that the user is not being sent online for help docs and that the local files are always accessible to the user. Cheers, Marc -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LibreOffice 4.2.0 RC2 test builds available
Hi Marc, Le 12/01/2014 13:14, Marc Paré a écrit : Hi everyone, Le 2014-01-08 12:41, Christian Lohmaier a écrit : Hi *, for the upcoming new version 4.2.0, the builds for rc2 are now available on pre-releases (windows helppacks still uploading) Besides the usual builds, there are also 64bit builds for Mac available for testing. Reminder: Starting with 4.2.0rc1, developers (and people doing some low-level QA) on windows can make use of the symbol server to get pdb files for debugging the release builds. The symbol server's URL is http://dev-downloads.libreoffice.org/symstore/symbols and starting with 4.2.0rc2 the symbol files are also source-indexed¹. This means the debugger can now download and display the sourcecode that corresponds to the build². see https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/How_to_get_a_backtrace_with_WinDbg on how to make use of it See https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan/4.2#4.2.0_release for the complete schedule. Grab the builds from here here: http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/pre-releases/ The builds include the full set of languages. If you've a bit of time, please give them a try report any severe bugs not yet in bugzilla here, so we can incorporate them into the release notes. Please note that it takes approximately 24 hours to populate the mirrors, so that's about the time we have to collect feedback. Any idea when the test build for rc2 will show on our Pre-release webpage?[1] When Cloph will announce it, he will make the changes to the page too I guess. There is two announcement, one on this list to check for the installation of the package, another one some days later for the availability of the release. We are at the first one, if I'm right :) Cheers Sophie ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Manual tests prepared for RC2
2014/1/10 Sophie gautier.sop...@gmail.com Hi Henri, Sorry for the delay, Le 07/01/2014 14:36, M Henri Day a écrit : 2014/1/3 Sophie gautier.sop...@gmail.com Hi all, I've prepared a Moztrap run for 4.2.0 RC2. I've corrected the tests that have ambiguities, added pdf documents to the MS2ODF tests, and also added regression tests on Writer wizards. I'll activate the run next week. Thanks to all who participates to the previous runs! Cheers Sophie Sophie, I've looked at the MozTrap Tutorial, but it seems to be directed at those who. like yourself, wish to set up one for a particular product. Myself, I have a more modest goal - I'd like to participate in the testing of 4.2.0 RC2. I'm presently running LO 4.1.4.2 Build ID: 410m0(Build:2) on 64-bit Linux Mint 16. Could I ask you to point me to a tutorial which shows how to use MozTrap - or some similar device - to test 4.20 RC2 ?... There is an explanation here: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/MozTrap/User_Guide Also, there is the Mozilla documentation: https://moztrap.readthedocs.org/en/latest/userguide/index.html Don't hesitate to ask if you have any question and thanks for your tests :) Cheers Sophie Sophie, I'm not quite certain that I'm doing the right thing, but after downloading and installing the base package ( LibreOffice_4.2.0.2_Linux_x86-64_deb.tar.gzhttp://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/pre-releases/deb/x86_64/LibreOffice_4.2.0.2_Linux_x86-64_deb.tar.gz), which went fine, and then downloading the Swedish helppack ( LibreOffice_4.2.0.2_Linux_x86-64_deb_helppack_sv.tar.gzhttp://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/pre-releases/deb/x86_64/LibreOffice_4.2.0.2_Linux_x86-64_deb_helppack_sv.tar.gz), which also went fine, but where my subsequent attempt at installation failed due to dependency problems (a notice to the effect that libobasis4.2-sv was not installed appeared in my terminal), I opened a MozTrap account, clicked «Run tests», chose 4.2.0 RC2, and then selected an environment, which included the following parametres : «Arch» (in my case, x86_64), «Locale» (I chose «En_GB», and «Platforms» (Linux), after which a further 49 report parametres appeared, starting with «Install LibreOffice», which, alas, I was forced to report as having failed, due to the dependency problem mentioned above. I copied in the relevant portions of the terminal log by way of explanation. Is this the sort of reporting you and MozTrap had in mind, or have I utterly misunderstood ? I'd be most grateful if you could take a look at the my MozTrap report and tell me whether I'm on the right track or no À bientôt Henri ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Manual tests prepared for RC2
2014/1/12 Sophie gautier.sop...@gmail.com Hi Henri, Le 12/01/2014 15:36, M Henri Day a écrit : 2014/1/10 Sophie gautier.sop...@gmail.com Hi Henri, Sorry for the delay, Le 07/01/2014 14:36, M Henri Day a écrit : 2014/1/3 Sophie gautier.sop...@gmail.com Hi all, I've prepared a Moztrap run for 4.2.0 RC2. I've corrected the tests that have ambiguities, added pdf documents to the MS2ODF tests, and also added regression tests on Writer wizards. I'll activate the run next week. Thanks to all who participates to the previous runs! Cheers Sophie Sophie, I've looked at the MozTrap Tutorial, but it seems to be directed at those who. like yourself, wish to set up one for a particular product. Myself, I have a more modest goal - I'd like to participate in the testing of 4.2.0 RC2. I'm presently running LO 4.1.4.2 Build ID: 410m0(Build:2) on 64-bit Linux Mint 16. Could I ask you to point me to a tutorial which shows how to use MozTrap - or some similar device - to test 4.20 RC2 ?... There is an explanation here: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/MozTrap/User_Guide Also, there is the Mozilla documentation: https://moztrap.readthedocs.org/en/latest/userguide/index.html Don't hesitate to ask if you have any question and thanks for your tests :) Cheers Sophie Sophie, I'm not quite certain that I'm doing the right thing, but after downloading and installing the base package ( LibreOffice_4.2.0.2_Linux_x86-64_deb.tar.gz http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/pre-releases/deb/x86_64/LibreOffice_4.2.0.2_Linux_x86-64_deb.tar.gz ), which went fine, and then downloading the Swedish helppack ( LibreOffice_4.2.0.2_Linux_x86-64_deb_helppack_sv.tar.gz http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/pre-releases/deb/x86_64/LibreOffice_4.2.0.2_Linux_x86-64_deb_helppack_sv.tar.gz ), which also went fine, but where my subsequent attempt at installation failed due to dependency problems (a notice to the effect that libobasis4.2-sv was not installed appeared in my terminal), I'm not sure you have seen the post from Christian saying that he corrected the dependencies issue and rebuilt clean install set http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/2014-January/006327.html I opened a MozTrap account, clicked «Run tests», chose 4.2.0 RC2, and then selected an environment, which included the following parametres : «Arch» (in my case, x86_64), «Locale» (I chose «En_GB», and «Platforms» (Linux), after which a further 49 report parametres appeared, starting with «Install LibreOffice», which, alas, I was forced to report as having failed, due to the dependency problem mentioned above. I copied in the relevant portions of the terminal log by way of explanation. Is this the sort of reporting you and MozTrap had in mind, or have I utterly misunderstood ? I'd be most grateful if you could take a look at the my MozTrap report and tell me whether I'm on the right track or no Yes, it's allright, you're doing all well :) adding details when the test fails is really a good thing. So thanks a lot, and don't hesitate if you have other questions. Cheers Sophie Thanks, Sophie ! Good to know that I hadn't entirely misunderstood ! As a matter of fact, I did use Christian's link to access the clean install set, but alas, it would seem that the dependency issue remains alive and well, at least for the Swedish helppack. I'm hoping Christian will take a further look at this matter and report back on this thread when the dependency issue has been corrected ; I'll then try once again to install the helppack and, in the event I succeed run further MozTrap tests À bientôt Henri ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] SIGSEV after clicking through different QuickStarter entries and closing it
Hello @ll, I found an interesting bug (I think ... ;) ) and I need someone, who could try it on his/her machine ... ;) Steps to reproduce: 1. Start LO 2. Activate the QuickStarter (Tools – Options – LibreOffice – Memory on the right below LibreOffice QuickStarter) 3. Press Ctrl+Q to close LO completely 4. Close the QuickStarter, if it is still open 5. Start LO via command prompt (/opt/libreoffice4.2/program/soffice). I used Konsole Version 2.11.3 and KDE 4.11.3, but it would be nice, if someone with a different desktop manager could try it as well ... ;) The QuickStarter should be visible alongside LO's StartCenter 6. Close LO via Ctrl+Q 7. Click on the QuickStarter and open each item there (Text Document, Spreadsheet etc.) and close it promptly without doing anything else. 8. Skip Disable systray QuickStarter, but do not forget to open all other items ... ;) 9. Close the QuickStarter via Exit QuickStarter On my system (Debian Testing AMD64 and LO with installed Germanophone lang- as well as helppack (Version: 4.2.0.2 Build ID: 601a398b803303d1a40a3299729531824fe0db56) ) Java spits out the message quote # A fatal error has been detected by the Java Runtime Environment: # # SIGSEGV (0xb) at pc=0x7fad73ebdd54, pid=11928, tid=140382963963968 # # JRE version: Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (8.0-b118) (build 1.8.0-ea-b118) # Java VM: Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM (25.0-b60 mixed mode linux-amd64 compressed oops) # Problematic frame: # C [libpthread.so.0+0x9d54] pthread_mutex_lock+0x4 # # Failed to write core dump. Core dumps have been disabled. To enable core dumping, try ulimit -c unlimited before starting Java again # # An error report file with more information is saved as: # ~./LO/hs_err_pid11928.log # # If you would like to submit a bug report, please visit: # http://bugreport.sun.com/bugreport/crash.jsp # [error occurred during error reporting , id 0xb] /quote Would someone be so kind to try to reproduce it, please? Though it does not affect any work with LO (as far as I see, that is ... ;) ), but I am not sure, if it could have any further impact for our users ... :( Thanks for testing Thomas. -- BOFH excuse #11: magnetic interference from money/credit cards ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] SIGSEV after clicking through different QuickStarter entries and closing it
On Sun, 2014-01-12 at 19:26 +0100, Thomas Hackert wrote: Hello @ll, I found an interesting bug (I think ... ;) ) and I need someone, who could try it on his/her machine ... ;) I did not have any crash using a recent debug build on debian-wheezy using gnome desktop. Terry. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] SIGSEV after clicking through different QuickStarter entries and closing it
Hi Thomas Thomas Hackert wrote # JRE version: Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (8.0-b118) (build 1.8.0-ea-b118) # Java VM: Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM (25.0-b60 mixed mode linux-amd64 compressed oops) No problem under Windows XP. But my system is x86 and I'm using Java 7 (build 45). Could it be a problem with Java 8? Is LO ready for Java 8? Cheers, Pedro -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Libreoffice-qa-SIGSEV-after-clicking-through-different-QuickStarter-entries-and-closing-it-tp4091856p4091876.html Sent from the QA mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] The term Online Help (was: Use of abbreviations in this ML)
On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 10:31 PM, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote: Le 2014-01-11 08:05, Christian Lohmaier a écrit : Hi Pedro, *, Am 11.01.2014 12:50 schrieb Pedro pedl...@gmail.com mailto:pedl...@gmail.com: [abbreviations or the term Online Help] ... So let's hear some suggestions. I assume everyone will understand which one is meant when they read the term Offline Help in isolation. If you disagree, please also suggest a different term for that. Ciao Christian I have been following this discussion and the only worry I have is that the doc team is not included on it. IMO, Jean should be aware of this discussion as the acronyms and any potential changes may have an effect on the various documentation terminology that is being used in our docs. It would be nice if any changes were coordinated with all affected groups. From my point of view OLH (Online Help), and, from a vernacular point of view for most users, would mean that once you choose that particular link/menu item, that you would be sent online on the internet for the help files. The OLH menu link, when viewed in context in any particular software package, usually means to a user that she/he will be taken to help files for that particular software available on the internet. IMO, if we would want to make it clearer that the help files are NOT online, then another name/acronym should be created to properly describe the menu choice. Making as short, descriptive, obvious and as literal as possible, IMO, should be our primary goal; this will ensure that all competency levels of users (whether newbies or knowledgeable users) are clear as to the menu choice they are making. Perhaps just labelling Help Documents would be sufficient enough. The fact that there is no online will be obvious enough that the user is not being sent online for help docs and that the local files are always accessible to the user. I've been following this thread, as it relates to a (minor) concern that I've had for some time. (My computer use goes back far enough that to me, online means on the computer (not on the Internet) versus in a book; but I'm well aware that the term means something different these days, especially to younger users. So, yes, we need a better one; and yes, the term needs to be the same in the user guides as it is in the program and elsewhere. I haven't done any research to see what might be a common term these days, so I don't immediately have a suggestion. I'll get back to you later today when I've had a chance to consider this a bit more. --Jean ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LibreOffice 4.2.0 RC2 available
Dear Community, The Document Foundation is pleased to announce the second release candidate of LibreOffice 4.2.0. The upcoming 4.2.0 will bring new features and lots of bugfixes. Check out https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/4.2 for an (incomplete and work-in-progress) list of the new features. Please be aware that LibreOffice 4.2.0 RC2 is not been flagged as ready for production use yet, you should continue to use LibreOffice 4.1.4 for that. The release is available for Windows, Linux and Mac OS X from our QA builds download page at http://www.libreoffice.org/download/pre-releases/ LibreOffice 4.2.0 RC2 is also available in a 64bit version for Mac OS X 10.8 (or newer) Developers and QA might also be interested in the symbol server for windows debug information (see the release notes linked below for details). Beginning with RC2, the debug symbols are also source-indexed. Should you find bugs, please report them to the FreeDesktop Bugzilla: https://bugs.freedesktop.org A good way to assess the release candidate quality is to run some specific manual tests on it, our TCM wiki page has more details: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Testing/Regression_Tests#Full_Regression_Test For other ways to get involved with this exciting project - you can e.g. contribute code: http://www.libreoffice.org/get-involved/developers/ translate LibreOffice to your language: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice_Localization_Guide or help with funding our operations: http://donate.libreoffice.org/ A list of known issues and fixed bugs with 4.2.0 RC2 is available from our wiki: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Releases/4.2.0/RC2 Let us close again with a BIG Thank You! to all of you having contributed to the LibreOffice project - this release would not have been possible without your help. On behalf of the Community, Christian ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] The term Online Help (was: Use of abbreviations in this ML)
On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 6:54 AM, Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 10:31 PM, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote: Le 2014-01-11 08:05, Christian Lohmaier a écrit : Hi Pedro, *, Am 11.01.2014 12:50 schrieb Pedro pedl...@gmail.com mailto:pedl...@gmail.com: [abbreviations or the term Online Help] ... So let's hear some suggestions. I assume everyone will understand which one is meant when they read the term Offline Help in isolation. If you disagree, please also suggest a different term for that. Ciao Christian I have been following this discussion and the only worry I have is that the doc team is not included on it. IMO, Jean should be aware of this discussion as the acronyms and any potential changes may have an effect on the various documentation terminology that is being used in our docs. It would be nice if any changes were coordinated with all affected groups. From my point of view OLH (Online Help), and, from a vernacular point of view for most users, would mean that once you choose that particular link/menu item, that you would be sent online on the internet for the help files. The OLH menu link, when viewed in context in any particular software package, usually means to a user that she/he will be taken to help files for that particular software available on the internet. IMO, if we would want to make it clearer that the help files are NOT online, then another name/acronym should be created to properly describe the menu choice. Making as short, descriptive, obvious and as literal as possible, IMO, should be our primary goal; this will ensure that all competency levels of users (whether newbies or knowledgeable users) are clear as to the menu choice they are making. Perhaps just labelling Help Documents would be sufficient enough. The fact that there is no online will be obvious enough that the user is not being sent online for help docs and that the local files are always accessible to the user. I've been following this thread, as it relates to a (minor) concern that I've had for some time. (My computer use goes back far enough that to me, online means on the computer (not on the Internet) versus in a book; but I'm well aware that the term means something different these days, especially to younger users. So, yes, we need a better one; and yes, the term needs to be the same in the user guides as it is in the program and elsewhere. I haven't done any research to see what might be a common term these days, so I don't immediately have a suggestion. I'll get back to you later today when I've had a chance to consider this a bit more. --Jean The user guides refer to the built-in Help system which is reached by pressing F1 or choosing Help LibreOffice Help on the menu bar. Built-in may not be the best term but it is short, descriptive, and literal. Is it obvious? Your call. (I still haven't done any research to see what might be a common term these days.) --Jean ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
