[Libreoffice-qa] how to contact website team

2014-05-02 Thread Jay Philips
Well i was browsing through the website a noticed a few issues i wanted 
to put to the website team and wondered how to contact them.


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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] how to contact website team

2014-05-02 Thread Florian Reisinger
I guess a note on the WWW list would be nice 
(websiteglobal.libreoffice.org) subscribe/Unsubscribe of all the ML: 
http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/

Liebe Grüße, / Yours,
Florian Reisinger

 Am 02.05.2014 um 09:23 schrieb Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com:
 
 Well i was browsing through the website a noticed a few issues i wanted to 
 put to the website team and wondered how to contact them.
 
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] how to contact website team

2014-05-02 Thread Jay Philips

Thanks Florian.

Jay Philips

On 05/02/2014 11:27 AM, Florian Reisinger wrote:
I guess a note on the WWW list would be nice 
(websiteglobal.libreoffice.org http://global.libreoffice.org) 
subscribe/Unsubscribe of all the ML: 
http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/ 
https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/


Liebe Grüße, / Yours,
Florian Reisinger

Am 02.05.2014 um 09:23 schrieb Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com 
mailto:philip...@hotmail.com:


Well i was browsing through the website a noticed a few issues i 
wanted to put to the website team and wondered how to contact them.


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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] 4.3 Upgrade unusable!

2014-05-02 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi dE, *,

On Thursday, May 1, 2014, dE de.tec...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 05/01/14 21:33, V Stuart Foote wrote:

 Hay, is 4.3 using QT for the Windows build? Or is GTK still in?


Windows never used GTK for its UI, and neither does it use QT. It uses its
own abstraction that hooks up into the native controls.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] What should I do with a bug, where I got a file to test and can confirm it, but are not allowed to attach the file to the bug?

2014-05-02 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Thomas, *,

On Thursday, May 1, 2014, Thomas Hackert thack...@nexgo.de wrote

 
  Oh, to be clear: Just randomly mailing documents to people is not
  the way to go. Instead up show up on the #libreoffice-dev channel

 sigh ... Maybe I will find the time this weekend, and than I will
 try to join IRC.


No need to sigh - just meant as it is just not nice to just randomly mail
documents to people without asking first. That basically means I expect
you to fix it, no matter how many other things you need to do and that's
just not nice.
IRC just is easiest medium for quick feedback regarding this - you're not
forced to used IRC.



 [discus, disk or something else?]


Ring, CD, but not discus or disk - that is misleading. And write that it is
one with big radius, otherwise the screenshot in the bug doesn't make it
clear what is being talked about.
And no need to rewrite the comment again.


  It depends, how you do define easily done ... ;) They are named
  something like U1.E1.001.odt up to U8.E1.001.odt (not to
  forget a copyright and a copyright file for something else) ...
  :( I would not know an easy way to do this ... :(
 
  for file in *.odt; do cp -f my-one-sample.odt $i; done
 
  i.e. for each file U1 whatever, it copies (and overwrites,
  that's what the -f switch does) a single document, in this case
  my-one-sample.odt. over the file.

 I get an
 quote
 cp: cannot stat 'my-one-sample.odt': No such file or directory
 /quote
 here ... :(


Well - that is the placeholder for the one filename you want to use.
Obviously I have no idea how you name your documents / how the documents in
the example are all called :-)


  but it might just be a drawing shape.
 
  for file in *.odt; do zipgrep  'draw:type=ring' $file
  /dev/null  echo Ringshape in file $file; done

 Again, only an error message:
 quote
 bash: syntax error near unexpected token `'
 /quote


PS: - Just use a blank line - that makes it easier to parse quickly (at
least for me :-)) the lenghty quote isn't necessary.

And yes, it is a copy'n'paste error. the whole commans is meant to be put
on a single line.
And it is meant to be run from the directory where all the odts are -
otherwise the *.odt won't match anything.

for file in *.odt;

means get a list of all files with odt extension and run a loop with it.
For each file you encounter, assign the filename to the variable file

do zipgrep  'draw:type=ring' $file  /dev/null  echo Ringshape in
file $file

means: for each file, run the command zipgrep. Search for the
string 'draw:type=ring' in the file named $file (that is where we reuse
the variable define in the previous part), and discard the output if it
matches (redirect stdout to /dev/null , that is the  /dev/null part.
content.xml has no linebreaks, and when the zipgrep matches, it would pint
a hge line to the terminal that we're not interested in anyway. If
zipgrep did find something, then output the name of the file with the echo
statement.

 means. If the previous command returned without error, then run the
second one.
|| would be the opposite: if the previous command returned with error (in
the case of zipgrep: string wasn't found), then run the second one.
; is the third way: No matter whether previous command was successful or
not, just run the second one anyway.

done

marks the end of the statement that should be repeated. so everything
between the do and done is executed for each file.

... :( First I thought, some kind of cp errors with your commands,
 changed any quotation mark and inverted comma, but this does not
 solve the problem ... :( /me thinks, I should learn a little bit
 more of these Bash internals ... ;)


Wouldn't hurt to know some basic shell-scripting :-))

ciao
Christain
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[Libreoffice-qa] What should I do with a bug, where I got a file to test and can confirm it, but are not allowed to attach the file to the bug?

2014-05-02 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Thomas, *,

On Thursday, May 1, 2014, Thomas Hackert
thack...@nexgo.dejavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','thack...@nexgo.de');
wrote

 
  Oh, to be clear: Just randomly mailing documents to people is not
  the way to go. Instead up show up on the #libreoffice-dev channel

 sigh ... Maybe I will find the time this weekend, and than I will
 try to join IRC.


No need to sigh - just meant as it is just not nice to just randomly mail
documents to people without asking first. That basically means I expect
you to fix it, no matter how many other things you need to do and that's
just not nice.
IRC just is easiest medium for quick feedback regarding this - you're not
forced to used IRC.



 [discus, disk or something else?]


Ring, CD, but not discus or disk - that is misleading. And write that it is
one with big radius, otherwise the screenshot in the bug doesn't make it
clear what is being talked about.
And no need to rewrite the comment again.


  It depends, how you do define easily done ... ;) They are named
  something like U1.E1.001.odt up to U8.E1.001.odt (not to
  forget a copyright and a copyright file for something else) ...
  :( I would not know an easy way to do this ... :(
 
  for file in *.odt; do cp -f my-one-sample.odt $i; done
 
  i.e. for each file U1 whatever, it copies (and overwrites,
  that's what the -f switch does) a single document, in this case
  my-one-sample.odt. over the file.

 I get an
 quote
 cp: cannot stat 'my-one-sample.odt': No such file or directory
 /quote
 here ... :(


Well - that is the placeholder for the one filename you want to use.
Obviously I have no idea how you name your documents / how the documents in
the example are all called :-)


  but it might just be a drawing shape.
 
  for file in *.odt; do zipgrep  'draw:type=ring' $file
  /dev/null  echo Ringshape in file $file; done

 Again, only an error message:
 quote
 bash: syntax error near unexpected token `'
 /quote


PS: - Just use a blank line - that makes it easier to parse quickly (at
least for me :-)) the lenghty quote isn't necessary.

And yes, it is a copy'n'paste error. the whole commans is meant to be put
on a single line.
And it is meant to be run from the directory where all the odts are -
otherwise the *.odt won't match anything.

for file in *.odt;

means get a list of all files with odt extension and run a loop with it.
For each file you encounter, assign the filename to the variable file

do zipgrep  'draw:type=ring' $file  /dev/null  echo Ringshape in
file $file

means: for each file, run the command zipgrep. Search for the
string 'draw:type=ring' in the file named $file (that is where we reuse
the variable define in the previous part), and discard the output if it
matches (redirect stdout to /dev/null , that is the  /dev/null part.
content.xml has no linebreaks, and when the zipgrep matches, it would pint
a hge line to the terminal that we're not interested in anyway. If
zipgrep did find something, then output the name of the file with the echo
statement.

 means. If the previous command returned without error, then run the
second one.
|| would be the opposite: if the previous command returned with error (in
the case of zipgrep: string wasn't found), then run the second one.
; is the third way: No matter whether previous command was successful or
not, just run the second one anyway.

done

marks the end of the statement that should be repeated. so everything
between the do and done is executed for each file.

... :( First I thought, some kind of cp errors with your commands,
 changed any quotation mark and inverted comma, but this does not
 solve the problem ... :( /me thinks, I should learn a little bit
 more of these Bash internals ... ;)


Wouldn't hurt to know some basic shell-scripting :-))

ciao
Christian
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[Libreoffice-qa] ODF compatibility tests

2014-05-02 Thread Jay Philips

Hi All,

I was curious what compatibility tests are being run to ensure that LibO 
displays ODF accurately. I had asked a similar question a few days back 
on the LibO QA mailing list but never got a response. Is there an 
archive of standard compliant odf 1.0/1.1 and 1.2 files that is 
available? Alternatively, is there an ODF test to validate if a ODF file 
outputted by an ODF compatible software complies to the ODF standard and 
can output the file as a pdf to show how it should be rendered, somewhat 
similar to the Acid test for CSS.


As part of my extensive testing of .docx files in LibO, i'm currently 
testing ODF outputted by LibO to see how well its imported into Word 
2010 and 2013, as well as testing ODF outputted by Word 2010 and 2013 to 
see how well its imported into LibO. It would be nice to have a ODF 
software that i could use its output as a reference to compare these 
results against, as i've found ODF outputted by word 2010 that doesnt 
open correctly in LibO but did in Calligra Words and i've also found ODF 
files on libreoffice.org that displayed differences in LibO 4.1 and 4.2. 
Currently if a .doc, .docx or .rtf loads different between LibO and ms 
word, i report these bugs, but if there are load differences for .odt 
files its difficult to know if its a LibO or ms word problem.


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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] ODF compatibility tests

2014-05-02 Thread Michael Meeks
Hi Jay,

First - thanks for your work helping to test LibreOffice ! =) that's
always appreciated. Of course, its -most- appreciated when the results
of your work are easiest to fix - ie. as of now, testing 4.3 is rather
more useful than 4.2. Nevertheless - it's some great work.

On Fri, 2014-05-02 at 16:21 +0400, Jay Philips wrote:
 Alternatively, is there an ODF test to validate if a ODF file 
 outputted by an ODF compatible software complies to the ODF standard and 
 can output the file as a pdf to show how it should be rendered, somewhat 
 similar to the Acid test for CSS.

ODF doesn't specify layout, so no there are no tests of that sort.
Naturally we do our best to retain layout compatibility and there are a
number of tweaks and compatibility options too tedious to enumerate to
achieve that for LibreOffice. 

 Currently if a .doc, .docx or .rtf loads different between LibO and ms 
 word, i report these bugs, but if there are load differences for .odt 
 files its difficult to know if its a LibO or ms word problem.

Well - I'd blame MS Word of course :-) at least if you want to fairly
reflect the concern that our layout of DOCX is different to that in MS
Office (DOCX also does not specify precise layout).

Anyhow - thanks for your work ! hopefully it results in some good
improvements over time.

ATB,

Michael.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [documentliberation-discuss] ODF compatibility tests

2014-05-02 Thread Charles-H. Schulz

Hello Jay,

I do not believe that there's a single tool or test suite ensuring that 
an ODF implementations display ODF correctly. We did/do have ODF 
PLugfests that rely on a set of rather empirical data (aka: get your 
computer and let's exchange ODF documents edited by several ODF 
implementations) and they tend to help. See here: 
http://plugfest.opendocsociety.org/doku.php


However I do not believe what you're looking for does exist.

Best,

Charles.


Le 2014-05-02 14:21, Jay Philips a écrit :

Hi All,

I was curious what compatibility tests are being run to ensure that
LibO displays ODF accurately. I had asked a similar question a few
days back on the LibO QA mailing list but never got a response. Is
there an archive of standard compliant odf 1.0/1.1 and 1.2 files that
is available? Alternatively, is there an ODF test to validate if a ODF
file outputted by an ODF compatible software complies to the ODF
standard and can output the file as a pdf to show how it should be
rendered, somewhat similar to the Acid test for CSS.

As part of my extensive testing of .docx files in LibO, i'm currently
testing ODF outputted by LibO to see how well its imported into Word
2010 and 2013, as well as testing ODF outputted by Word 2010 and 2013
to see how well its imported into LibO. It would be nice to have a ODF
software that i could use its output as a reference to compare these
results against, as i've found ODF outputted by word 2010 that doesnt
open correctly in LibO but did in Calligra Words and i've also found
ODF files on libreoffice.org that displayed differences in LibO 4.1
and 4.2. Currently if a .doc, .docx or .rtf loads different between
LibO and ms word, i report these bugs, but if there are load
differences for .odt files its difficult to know if its a LibO or ms
word problem.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [documentliberation-discuss] ODF compatibility tests

2014-05-02 Thread Charles-H. Schulz

Jay,

Replying in more details: there are a few ODF validators out there but 
they are neither autoritative nor maintained. And ODF 1,2 has evolved 
after they were released:

http://plugfest.opendocsociety.org/doku.php?id=validators:overview

Cheers,

Charles.


Le 2014-05-02 14:56, Charles-H. Schulz a écrit :

Hello Jay,

I do not believe that there's a single tool or test suite ensuring
that an ODF implementations display ODF correctly. We did/do have ODF
PLugfests that rely on a set of rather empirical data (aka: get your
computer and let's exchange ODF documents edited by several ODF
implementations) and they tend to help. See here:
http://plugfest.opendocsociety.org/doku.php

However I do not believe what you're looking for does exist.

Best,

Charles.


Le 2014-05-02 14:21, Jay Philips a écrit :

Hi All,

I was curious what compatibility tests are being run to ensure that
LibO displays ODF accurately. I had asked a similar question a few
days back on the LibO QA mailing list but never got a response. Is
there an archive of standard compliant odf 1.0/1.1 and 1.2 files that
is available? Alternatively, is there an ODF test to validate if a ODF
file outputted by an ODF compatible software complies to the ODF
standard and can output the file as a pdf to show how it should be
rendered, somewhat similar to the Acid test for CSS.

As part of my extensive testing of .docx files in LibO, i'm currently
testing ODF outputted by LibO to see how well its imported into Word
2010 and 2013, as well as testing ODF outputted by Word 2010 and 2013
to see how well its imported into LibO. It would be nice to have a ODF
software that i could use its output as a reference to compare these
results against, as i've found ODF outputted by word 2010 that doesnt
open correctly in LibO but did in Calligra Words and i've also found
ODF files on libreoffice.org that displayed differences in LibO 4.1
and 4.2. Currently if a .doc, .docx or .rtf loads different between
LibO and ms word, i report these bugs, but if there are load
differences for .odt files its difficult to know if its a LibO or ms
word problem.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] ODF compatibility tests

2014-05-02 Thread Jay Philips

On 05/02/2014 04:46 PM, Michael Meeks wrote:

Hi Jay,


Hi Michael,

First - I enjoyed your FOSDEM 2011 and osC14 talks (especially the 
german two sausage ends joke) and look forward to seeing more. :)



First - thanks for your work helping to test LibreOffice ! =) that's
always appreciated. Of course, its -most- appreciated when the results
of your work are easiest to fix - ie. as of now, testing 4.3 is rather
more useful than 4.2. Nevertheless - it's some great work.


Your welcome and it has been fun. :) My tests now do include testing 
master (4.3).



On Fri, 2014-05-02 at 16:21 +0400, Jay Philips wrote:

Alternatively, is there an ODF test to validate if a ODF file
outputted by an ODF compatible software complies to the ODF standard and
can output the file as a pdf to show how it should be rendered, somewhat
similar to the Acid test for CSS.

ODF doesn't specify layout, so no there are no tests of that sort.
Naturally we do our best to retain layout compatibility and there are a
number of tweaks and compatibility options too tedious to enumerate to
achieve that for LibreOffice.


Well ODF does specify page size, page orientation, image positioning on 
the page, etc. which ultimately is defining layout, but there has to be 
a means to know whether the output of software reading or writing ODF is 
correct, or else how would one detect that the display is correct or not.



Currently if a .doc, .docx or .rtf loads different between LibO and ms
word, i report these bugs, but if there are load differences for .odt
files its difficult to know if its a LibO or ms word problem.

Well - I'd blame MS Word of course :-) at least if you want to fairly
reflect the concern that our layout of DOCX is different to that in MS
Office (DOCX also does not specify precise layout).


I too blame MS word first, but if Calligra Words whose native format is 
ODF is showing it the same as MS word, where do i go from there. There 
was also problems opening Calligra Words files in LibO, which i have 
reported as bugs, but dont know whether i should blame Calligra or LibO.



Anyhow - thanks for your work ! hopefully it results in some good
improvements over time.


Its been my pleasure. 43 bugs and counting, mainly just compatibility 
issues and a few crashes.Wish i could send in more enhancement 
suggestions, but i dont use office suits. :)



ATB,

Michael.



Jay
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] ODF compatibility tests

2014-05-02 Thread Regina Henschel

Hi Jay,

Jay Philips schrieb:

Hi All,

I was curious what compatibility tests are being run to ensure that LibO
displays ODF accurately.


There exists no reference implementation for ODF.

 I had asked a similar question a few days back

on the LibO QA mailing list but never got a response. Is there an
archive of standard compliant odf 1.0/1.1 and 1.2 files that is
available? Alternatively, is there an ODF test to validate if a ODF file
outputted by an ODF compatible software complies to the ODF standard and
can output the file as a pdf to show how it should be rendered, somewhat
similar to the Acid test for CSS.


Please keep in mind, that LibreOffice writes ODF1.2 extended as 
default. That contains more than currently specified in ODF1.2. Likely 
not all, but the most differences are documented in 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/ODF_Implementer_Notes




As part of my extensive testing of .docx files in LibO, i'm currently
testing ODF outputted by LibO to see how well its imported into Word
2010 and 2013, as well as testing ODF outputted by Word 2010 and 2013 to
see how well its imported into LibO. It would be nice to have a ODF
software that i could use its output as a reference to compare these
results against, as i've found ODF outputted by word 2010 that doesnt
open correctly in LibO but did in Calligra Words and i've also found ODF
files on libreoffice.org that displayed differences in LibO 4.1 and 4.2.
Currently if a .doc, .docx or .rtf loads different between LibO and ms
word, i report these bugs, but if there are load differences for .odt
files its difficult to know if its a LibO or ms word problem.



Perhaps validator
http://odf-validator2.rhcloud.com/odf-validator2/
or
http://officeshots.org/
might help.

For MS Word you should consider the information from Microsoft as well.
http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=20601


The normative reference is the spec itself.
https://www.oasis-open.org/standards#opendocumentv1.2
If you cannot resolve it using the spec, you can write to 
opendocument-us...@lists.oasis-open.org, or if you can already point to 
the place where something is not precise enough specified write to 
office-comm...@lists.oasis-open.org.


Or write an issue about the difference and attach a small(!) test 
document. Some people here are involved in the OASIS OpenDocument TC.


Kind regards
Regina


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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [documentliberation-discuss] ODF compatibility tests

2014-05-02 Thread Markus Mohrhard
Hey,


On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Charles-H. Schulz 
charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote:

 Jay,

 Replying in more details: there are a few ODF validators out there but
 they are neither autoritative nor maintained. And ODF 1,2 has evolved after
 they were released:
 http://plugfest.opendocsociety.org/doku.php?id=validators:overview

 Cheers,

 Charles.



Just to follow-up on this. Inside Libreoffice's automated tests we use
officeotron for OOXMl validation and odfvalidator for ODF validation.

There are not many automated tests that check the layout (limited to
Impress and charts) but quite a few that make sure that we don't loose
content during import or export. Normally we add them after fixing a bug to
prevent the same error in the future. Additionally we have a script that
imports all bugzilla documents and exports them to different formats and
runs a validation on the exported files to find export problems.

Except for these tests we have currently no tests that check either
validation or our filters. As some people already pointed out there is
neither a official set of test documents nor is the layout specified in
either ODF or OOXML.

Regards,
Markus
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] ODF compatibility tests

2014-05-02 Thread Sophie
Hi Jay,
Le 02/05/2014 14:21, Jay Philips a écrit :
 Hi All,
 
 I was curious what compatibility tests are being run to ensure that LibO
 displays ODF accurately. I had asked a similar question a few days back
 on the LibO QA mailing list but never got a response. Is there an
 archive of standard compliant odf 1.0/1.1 and 1.2 files that is
 available? Alternatively, is there an ODF test to validate if a ODF file
 outputted by an ODF compatible software complies to the ODF standard and
 can output the file as a pdf to show how it should be rendered, somewhat
 similar to the Acid test for CSS.
 
 As part of my extensive testing of .docx files in LibO, i'm currently
 testing ODF outputted by LibO to see how well its imported into Word
 2010 and 2013, as well as testing ODF outputted by Word 2010 and 2013 to
 see how well its imported into LibO. It would be nice to have a ODF
 software that i could use its output as a reference to compare these
 results against, as i've found ODF outputted by word 2010 that doesnt
 open correctly in LibO but did in Calligra Words and i've also found ODF
 files on libreoffice.org that displayed differences in LibO 4.1 and 4.2.
 Currently if a .doc, .docx or .rtf loads different between LibO and ms
 word, i report these bugs, but if there are load differences for .odt
 files its difficult to know if its a LibO or ms word problem.

If you are interested, I'm maintaining a tool for the QA team, mainly
for manual regression tests, but also to tests new features. It's called
MozTrap and you can find it here :
http://manual-test.libreoffice.org/results/runs/
I would like to add more regression tests on import/export to Office
formats, but I don't have Windows or Office so it makes it difficult for
me to write accurate tests. Would you be interested to help me to write
them correctly and add some samples to tests.
Here is MozTrap guide:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/MozTrap/User_Guide

Kind regards
Sophie

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] 4.3 Upgrade unusable!

2014-05-02 Thread Florian Reisinger

Hi,

I got a PM with a rtf file. I will comment on it I will enclose the 
quotes in # at the beginning and end



4.  the vital [Ctrl][Sh]  and  for changing font size is not set up in 
any other WP.




Enhancement request (trivial, maybe easyhack)

Cannot find it in list found @ Tools-Customize-Keyboard


I have gone on far too long about these basics.  If you feel some 
sympathy with my assertion of the fundamental importance of these 3 
points I will be happy to contribute other more detailed suggestions; 
otherwise I will have to struggle along with things as they are!



Suggestions always welcome, but better to be discussed in public. I will 
keep it for now on the QA ML, but we might want to switch to the global 
user list



Supporting the above does not exclude other options, but would require 
an easy to use /obvious choice (probably an addition to the menu bar) 
between say 5 (max) preset interfaces/views which cover some well 
thought out favoured compatibility setups, such as Classic, XP, Mac, 
Latest, plus Accessible.




What is the difference between those? Aren't most of them the same. I 
could see Classic, Sidebar, Accessibility, where the latter one is 
invisible, as this is a 3rd party tool




An option to change the colour scheme similar to the provided for the OS 
via Control Panel /Display would be excellent.



Whats wrong with: Tools → Options → LibreOffice(Dev) → Appearence. Feel 
free to change anything here



A few Detailed suggestions:  Some default autocorrect actions could 
usefully be “improved” over Word’s, eg. Suppress this automatic 
capitalisation after a stop as the default, and prevent the automatic 
change of - to – by context (see also in para. 2 above); these are the 
two I find irritating; occasionally I find setting ‘’   and “”  goes 
wrong when not used in the straightforward ways in this document.



Maybe Options → AutoCorrectOptions

###

   “Improvements” such as transferring “Page Setup” to the Format menu 
as in LO would really be such ONLY IF they were also retained in the 
“default” location – having some actions accessible by different routes 
should not be considered a failure, but a logical requirement of the 
fallibility of our design process – not to mention user logic!


###
Where was it? I only know it from Format -- Page

Finally, we did think about a easier UI for the settings, but we can't 
force anyone to work at this (Regarding setup help at start of LibO)


I hope I did cover the most important points and the email doesn't look 
crazy (Lot of format and paste)


Yours,

Florian

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] ODF compatibility tests

2014-05-02 Thread Jay Philips

Hi Sophie,

If you are not already aware, you can create office documents at 
office.com as it is free. I have created a few tests there myself, but 
prefer to use ms word myself. I could definitely supply you with any 
sample files that you need to run the tests, but unfortunately i dont 
think i would have the time to manage test runs myself.


Jay Philips

On 05/02/2014 07:20 PM, Sophie wrote:

Hi Jay,
Le 02/05/2014 14:21, Jay Philips a écrit :

Hi All,

I was curious what compatibility tests are being run to ensure that LibO
displays ODF accurately. I had asked a similar question a few days back
on the LibO QA mailing list but never got a response. Is there an
archive of standard compliant odf 1.0/1.1 and 1.2 files that is
available? Alternatively, is there an ODF test to validate if a ODF file
outputted by an ODF compatible software complies to the ODF standard and
can output the file as a pdf to show how it should be rendered, somewhat
similar to the Acid test for CSS.

As part of my extensive testing of .docx files in LibO, i'm currently
testing ODF outputted by LibO to see how well its imported into Word
2010 and 2013, as well as testing ODF outputted by Word 2010 and 2013 to
see how well its imported into LibO. It would be nice to have a ODF
software that i could use its output as a reference to compare these
results against, as i've found ODF outputted by word 2010 that doesnt
open correctly in LibO but did in Calligra Words and i've also found ODF
files on libreoffice.org that displayed differences in LibO 4.1 and 4.2.
Currently if a .doc, .docx or .rtf loads different between LibO and ms
word, i report these bugs, but if there are load differences for .odt
files its difficult to know if its a LibO or ms word problem.

If you are interested, I'm maintaining a tool for the QA team, mainly
for manual regression tests, but also to tests new features. It's called
MozTrap and you can find it here :
http://manual-test.libreoffice.org/results/runs/
I would like to add more regression tests on import/export to Office
formats, but I don't have Windows or Office so it makes it difficult for
me to write accurate tests. Would you be interested to help me to write
them correctly and add some samples to tests.
Here is MozTrap guide:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/MozTrap/User_Guide

Kind regards
Sophie



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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] ODF compatibility tests

2014-05-02 Thread Sophie
Hi Jay,,
Le 02/05/2014 17:40, Jay Philips a écrit :
 Hi Sophie,
 
 If you are not already aware, you can create office documents at
 office.com as it is free. I have created a few tests there myself, but
 prefer to use ms word myself.

Yes, thanks, but it's not exactly the same as local version and I don't
know what version is used online so it makes the test less trustful on a
QA perspective.

 I could definitely supply you with any
 sample files that you need to run the tests, but unfortunately i dont
 think i would have the time to manage test runs myself.

Of course, I don't want you to manage test runs :) but if you could
supply me with few docs and what needs to be tested based on your
experience, it would be great.

Cheers
Sophie
 
 Jay Philips
 
 On 05/02/2014 07:20 PM, Sophie wrote:
 Hi Jay,
 Le 02/05/2014 14:21, Jay Philips a écrit :
 Hi All,

 I was curious what compatibility tests are being run to ensure that LibO
 displays ODF accurately. I had asked a similar question a few days back
 on the LibO QA mailing list but never got a response. Is there an
 archive of standard compliant odf 1.0/1.1 and 1.2 files that is
 available? Alternatively, is there an ODF test to validate if a ODF file
 outputted by an ODF compatible software complies to the ODF standard and
 can output the file as a pdf to show how it should be rendered, somewhat
 similar to the Acid test for CSS.

 As part of my extensive testing of .docx files in LibO, i'm currently
 testing ODF outputted by LibO to see how well its imported into Word
 2010 and 2013, as well as testing ODF outputted by Word 2010 and 2013 to
 see how well its imported into LibO. It would be nice to have a ODF
 software that i could use its output as a reference to compare these
 results against, as i've found ODF outputted by word 2010 that doesnt
 open correctly in LibO but did in Calligra Words and i've also found ODF
 files on libreoffice.org that displayed differences in LibO 4.1 and 4.2.
 Currently if a .doc, .docx or .rtf loads different between LibO and ms
 word, i report these bugs, but if there are load differences for .odt
 files its difficult to know if its a LibO or ms word problem.
 If you are interested, I'm maintaining a tool for the QA team, mainly
 for manual regression tests, but also to tests new features. It's called
 MozTrap and you can find it here :
 http://manual-test.libreoffice.org/results/runs/
 I would like to add more regression tests on import/export to Office
 formats, but I don't have Windows or Office so it makes it difficult for
 me to write accurate tests. Would you be interested to help me to write
 them correctly and add some samples to tests.
 Here is MozTrap guide:
 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/MozTrap/User_Guide

 Kind regards
 Sophie

 
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] What should I do with a bug, where I got a file to test and can confirm it, but are not allowed to attach the file to the bug?

2014-05-02 Thread Thomas Hackert
Hello Christian, *,
On Fr, 2. Mai 2014 12:46 Christian Lohmaier wrote:
 On Thursday, May 1, 2014, Thomas Hackert
thack...@nexgo.dejavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','thack...@nexgo.de');
 wrote
[randomly sending documents to devs]
 sigh ... Maybe I will find the time this weekend, and than I will
 try to join IRC.
 
 No need to sigh - just meant as it is just not nice to just
 randomly mail documents to people without asking first. That

I would not mail documents randomly to our devs  ;) I just 
wanted to find out, who of the devs is responsible for the master 
document code to ask him, if it is OK to send it after I have 
explained the problem to him ... ;)

 basically means I expect you to fix it, no matter how many other
 things you need to do and that's just not nice.

He, do you really think, I am that evil ;?

 IRC just is easiest medium for quick feedback regarding this -
 you're not forced to used IRC.

It depends: I remember times during bug hunting parties, where you 
have to wait, until someone ansered there ... :( Then again ... This 
is the same with mail ... ;)

 [discus, disk or something else?]
 
 Ring, CD, but not discus or disk - that is misleading. And write
 that it is one with big radius, otherwise the screenshot in the
 bug doesn't make it clear what is being talked about.
 And no need to rewrite the comment again.

O.K.

[How to find a string in one ODT]
  for file in *.odt; do cp -f my-one-sample.odt $i; done
 
  i.e. for each file U1 whatever, it copies (and overwrites,
  that's what the -f switch does) a single document, in this case
  my-one-sample.odt. over the file.

 I get an
 quote
 cp: cannot stat 'my-one-sample.odt': No such file or directory
 /quote
 here ... :(
 
 Well - that is the placeholder for the one filename you want to
 use. Obviously I have no idea how you name your documents / how
 the documents in the example are all called :-)

But ... I understood this command that way, that it will create my-
one-sample.odt, if it does not exist. And this was my intention :) 
I just copied your example as is to prevent any typos ... ;) Does it 
mean, that I have to create this file beforehand?

  but it might just be a drawing shape.
 
  for file in *.odt; do zipgrep  'draw:type=ring' $file
  /dev/null  echo Ringshape in file $file; done

 Again, only an error message:
 quote
 bash: syntax error near unexpected token `'
 /quote
 
 PS: - Just use a blank line - that makes it easier to parse
 quickly (at least for me :-)) the lenghty quote isn't
 necessary.

O.K.

 And yes, it is a copy'n'paste error. the whole commans is meant to
 be put on a single line.
 And it is meant to be run from the directory where all the odts
 are - otherwise the *.odt won't match anything.

I had run it in the directory with all the odt files ... ;)

 for file in *.odt;
 
 means get a list of all files with odt extension and run a loop
 with it. For each file you encounter, assign the filename to the
 variable file

O.K.

 do zipgrep  'draw:type=ring' $file  /dev/null  echo
 Ringshape in file $file
 
 means: for each file, run the command zipgrep. Search for the
 string 'draw:type=ring' in the file named $file (that is where
 we reuse the variable define in the previous part), and discard
 the output if it matches (redirect stdout to /dev/null , that is
 the  /dev/null part. content.xml has no linebreaks, and when
 the zipgrep matches, it would pint a hge line to the terminal
 that we're not interested in anyway. If zipgrep did find
 something, then output the name of the file with the echo
 statement.

Ah, O.K.

  means. If the previous command returned without error, then run
 the second one.
 || would be the opposite: if the previous command returned with
 || error (in
 the case of zipgrep: string wasn't found), then run the second
 one. ; is the third way: No matter whether previous command was
 successful or not, just run the second one anyway.

O.K.

 done
 
 marks the end of the statement that should be repeated. so
 everything between the do and done is executed for each file.

O.K. Thank you for your crash course with Bash oneliners :)

 ... :( First I thought, some kind of cp errors with your
 commands,
 changed any quotation mark and inverted comma, but this does not
 solve the problem ... :( /me thinks, I should learn a little bit
 more of these Bash internals ... ;)
 
 Wouldn't hurt to know some basic shell-scripting :-))

Sure :) Just need an easy to understand and fast too read guide ... 
;) And one, which is not a shell scripting guide, but only an 
advanced luser guide ... ;)

But still, if I use your example as a oneliner, I get

zipinfo:  cannot find or open , .zip or .ZIP.
/usr/bin/zipgrep: 97: test: -eq: unexpected operator
/usr/bin/zipgrep: 100: test: Illegal number:

as an message ... :( Does this mean, zipgrep does not recognize ODTs 
as zip files? Do I have to either change all file extensions to zip 
instead of odt, or find some kind of file to tell zip(grep), that 

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] ODF compatibility tests

2014-05-02 Thread Jay Philips

On 05/02/2014 07:50 PM, Sophie wrote:

Hi Jay,,
Le 02/05/2014 17:40, Jay Philips a écrit :

Hi Sophie,

If you are not already aware, you can create office documents at
office.com as it is free. I have created a few tests there myself, but
prefer to use ms word myself.

Yes, thanks, but it's not exactly the same as local version and I don't
know what version is used online so it makes the test less trustful on a
QA perspective.


I just confirmed that the online version is running word 2013 as i 
tested a document that opens one way in 2010 and another way in 2013.



  I could definitely supply you with any

sample files that you need to run the tests, but unfortunately i dont
think i would have the time to manage test runs myself.

Of course, I don't want you to manage test runs :) but if you could
supply me with few docs and what needs to be tested based on your
experience, it would be great.


Yes i could definitely supply you with a few docs, but my experience is 
quite limited to the tests that i'm currently doing and sending bug 
fixes in for.



Cheers
Sophie

Jay Philips

On 05/02/2014 07:20 PM, Sophie wrote:

Hi Jay,
Le 02/05/2014 14:21, Jay Philips a écrit :

Hi All,

I was curious what compatibility tests are being run to ensure that LibO
displays ODF accurately. I had asked a similar question a few days back
on the LibO QA mailing list but never got a response. Is there an
archive of standard compliant odf 1.0/1.1 and 1.2 files that is
available? Alternatively, is there an ODF test to validate if a ODF file
outputted by an ODF compatible software complies to the ODF standard and
can output the file as a pdf to show how it should be rendered, somewhat
similar to the Acid test for CSS.

As part of my extensive testing of .docx files in LibO, i'm currently
testing ODF outputted by LibO to see how well its imported into Word
2010 and 2013, as well as testing ODF outputted by Word 2010 and 2013 to
see how well its imported into LibO. It would be nice to have a ODF
software that i could use its output as a reference to compare these
results against, as i've found ODF outputted by word 2010 that doesnt
open correctly in LibO but did in Calligra Words and i've also found ODF
files on libreoffice.org that displayed differences in LibO 4.1 and 4.2.
Currently if a .doc, .docx or .rtf loads different between LibO and ms
word, i report these bugs, but if there are load differences for .odt
files its difficult to know if its a LibO or ms word problem.

If you are interested, I'm maintaining a tool for the QA team, mainly
for manual regression tests, but also to tests new features. It's called
MozTrap and you can find it here :
http://manual-test.libreoffice.org/results/runs/
I would like to add more regression tests on import/export to Office
formats, but I don't have Windows or Office so it makes it difficult for
me to write accurate tests. Would you be interested to help me to write
them correctly and add some samples to tests.
Here is MozTrap guide:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/MozTrap/User_Guide

Kind regards
Sophie


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[Libreoffice-qa] DOCX Test 4 Results

2014-05-02 Thread Jay Philips

Hi All,

I just wanted to share with you all the results of my latest extended 
.docx test and hope its okay to do so here in the mailing list.


file url: 
http://download.microsoft.com/documents/customerevidence/Files/71003670/Xiamen_Tungsten_Group_unifies_enterprise.docx

file contents: chinese language, text and images, 6 pages, 230Kb

Results

* docx  doc - paragraph spacing is off [reported]
-
* export doc, docx strict, docx trans, odt - perfect as same as input
* export rtf - font name not retained [4.1 - 4.3] and regression in font 
color not retained [4.2 only] [reported]
* exports in word 2010 - all look good except doc/docx have a few bullet 
points with text on the following line [reported]

-
* kingsoft doc export - using Sinsum rather than Microsoft Yahei, blue 
colored text appeared in green, image centered rather than being left 
aligned, and second image had text wrapping on when it should have been 
off [reported]

* kingsoft docx export - paragraph spacing is off
* kingsoft rtf export - font name not retained [4.1 - 4.3] and not 
openable in versions below 4.1 [reported]

-
* word 2013/2010 doc, docx trans, docx strict, rtf export - paragraph 
and line spacing is off
* word 2013/2010 odt export - table type lines appeared on the page 
which are not visible in calligra words [reported]



Rating: B as opening/saving rtf/doc had font and image problems, as well 
as problems with opening ms word odt file


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