[Libreoffice-qa] how to contact website team
Well i was browsing through the website a noticed a few issues i wanted to put to the website team and wondered how to contact them. -- Jay Philips ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] how to contact website team
I guess a note on the WWW list would be nice (websiteglobal.libreoffice.org) subscribe/Unsubscribe of all the ML: http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/ Liebe Grüße, / Yours, Florian Reisinger Am 02.05.2014 um 09:23 schrieb Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com: Well i was browsing through the website a noticed a few issues i wanted to put to the website team and wondered how to contact them. -- Jay Philips ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/ ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] how to contact website team
Thanks Florian. Jay Philips On 05/02/2014 11:27 AM, Florian Reisinger wrote: I guess a note on the WWW list would be nice (websiteglobal.libreoffice.org http://global.libreoffice.org) subscribe/Unsubscribe of all the ML: http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/ https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/ Liebe Grüße, / Yours, Florian Reisinger Am 02.05.2014 um 09:23 schrieb Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com mailto:philip...@hotmail.com: Well i was browsing through the website a noticed a few issues i wanted to put to the website team and wondered how to contact them. -- Jay Philips ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org mailto:Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/ ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/ ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] 4.3 Upgrade unusable!
Hi dE, *, On Thursday, May 1, 2014, dE de.tec...@gmail.com wrote: On 05/01/14 21:33, V Stuart Foote wrote: Hay, is 4.3 using QT for the Windows build? Or is GTK still in? Windows never used GTK for its UI, and neither does it use QT. It uses its own abstraction that hooks up into the native controls. ciao Christian ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] What should I do with a bug, where I got a file to test and can confirm it, but are not allowed to attach the file to the bug?
Hi Thomas, *, On Thursday, May 1, 2014, Thomas Hackert thack...@nexgo.de wrote Oh, to be clear: Just randomly mailing documents to people is not the way to go. Instead up show up on the #libreoffice-dev channel sigh ... Maybe I will find the time this weekend, and than I will try to join IRC. No need to sigh - just meant as it is just not nice to just randomly mail documents to people without asking first. That basically means I expect you to fix it, no matter how many other things you need to do and that's just not nice. IRC just is easiest medium for quick feedback regarding this - you're not forced to used IRC. [discus, disk or something else?] Ring, CD, but not discus or disk - that is misleading. And write that it is one with big radius, otherwise the screenshot in the bug doesn't make it clear what is being talked about. And no need to rewrite the comment again. It depends, how you do define easily done ... ;) They are named something like U1.E1.001.odt up to U8.E1.001.odt (not to forget a copyright and a copyright file for something else) ... :( I would not know an easy way to do this ... :( for file in *.odt; do cp -f my-one-sample.odt $i; done i.e. for each file U1 whatever, it copies (and overwrites, that's what the -f switch does) a single document, in this case my-one-sample.odt. over the file. I get an quote cp: cannot stat 'my-one-sample.odt': No such file or directory /quote here ... :( Well - that is the placeholder for the one filename you want to use. Obviously I have no idea how you name your documents / how the documents in the example are all called :-) but it might just be a drawing shape. for file in *.odt; do zipgrep 'draw:type=ring' $file /dev/null echo Ringshape in file $file; done Again, only an error message: quote bash: syntax error near unexpected token `' /quote PS: - Just use a blank line - that makes it easier to parse quickly (at least for me :-)) the lenghty quote isn't necessary. And yes, it is a copy'n'paste error. the whole commans is meant to be put on a single line. And it is meant to be run from the directory where all the odts are - otherwise the *.odt won't match anything. for file in *.odt; means get a list of all files with odt extension and run a loop with it. For each file you encounter, assign the filename to the variable file do zipgrep 'draw:type=ring' $file /dev/null echo Ringshape in file $file means: for each file, run the command zipgrep. Search for the string 'draw:type=ring' in the file named $file (that is where we reuse the variable define in the previous part), and discard the output if it matches (redirect stdout to /dev/null , that is the /dev/null part. content.xml has no linebreaks, and when the zipgrep matches, it would pint a hge line to the terminal that we're not interested in anyway. If zipgrep did find something, then output the name of the file with the echo statement. means. If the previous command returned without error, then run the second one. || would be the opposite: if the previous command returned with error (in the case of zipgrep: string wasn't found), then run the second one. ; is the third way: No matter whether previous command was successful or not, just run the second one anyway. done marks the end of the statement that should be repeated. so everything between the do and done is executed for each file. ... :( First I thought, some kind of cp errors with your commands, changed any quotation mark and inverted comma, but this does not solve the problem ... :( /me thinks, I should learn a little bit more of these Bash internals ... ;) Wouldn't hurt to know some basic shell-scripting :-)) ciao Christain ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] What should I do with a bug, where I got a file to test and can confirm it, but are not allowed to attach the file to the bug?
Hi Thomas, *, On Thursday, May 1, 2014, Thomas Hackert thack...@nexgo.dejavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','thack...@nexgo.de'); wrote Oh, to be clear: Just randomly mailing documents to people is not the way to go. Instead up show up on the #libreoffice-dev channel sigh ... Maybe I will find the time this weekend, and than I will try to join IRC. No need to sigh - just meant as it is just not nice to just randomly mail documents to people without asking first. That basically means I expect you to fix it, no matter how many other things you need to do and that's just not nice. IRC just is easiest medium for quick feedback regarding this - you're not forced to used IRC. [discus, disk or something else?] Ring, CD, but not discus or disk - that is misleading. And write that it is one with big radius, otherwise the screenshot in the bug doesn't make it clear what is being talked about. And no need to rewrite the comment again. It depends, how you do define easily done ... ;) They are named something like U1.E1.001.odt up to U8.E1.001.odt (not to forget a copyright and a copyright file for something else) ... :( I would not know an easy way to do this ... :( for file in *.odt; do cp -f my-one-sample.odt $i; done i.e. for each file U1 whatever, it copies (and overwrites, that's what the -f switch does) a single document, in this case my-one-sample.odt. over the file. I get an quote cp: cannot stat 'my-one-sample.odt': No such file or directory /quote here ... :( Well - that is the placeholder for the one filename you want to use. Obviously I have no idea how you name your documents / how the documents in the example are all called :-) but it might just be a drawing shape. for file in *.odt; do zipgrep 'draw:type=ring' $file /dev/null echo Ringshape in file $file; done Again, only an error message: quote bash: syntax error near unexpected token `' /quote PS: - Just use a blank line - that makes it easier to parse quickly (at least for me :-)) the lenghty quote isn't necessary. And yes, it is a copy'n'paste error. the whole commans is meant to be put on a single line. And it is meant to be run from the directory where all the odts are - otherwise the *.odt won't match anything. for file in *.odt; means get a list of all files with odt extension and run a loop with it. For each file you encounter, assign the filename to the variable file do zipgrep 'draw:type=ring' $file /dev/null echo Ringshape in file $file means: for each file, run the command zipgrep. Search for the string 'draw:type=ring' in the file named $file (that is where we reuse the variable define in the previous part), and discard the output if it matches (redirect stdout to /dev/null , that is the /dev/null part. content.xml has no linebreaks, and when the zipgrep matches, it would pint a hge line to the terminal that we're not interested in anyway. If zipgrep did find something, then output the name of the file with the echo statement. means. If the previous command returned without error, then run the second one. || would be the opposite: if the previous command returned with error (in the case of zipgrep: string wasn't found), then run the second one. ; is the third way: No matter whether previous command was successful or not, just run the second one anyway. done marks the end of the statement that should be repeated. so everything between the do and done is executed for each file. ... :( First I thought, some kind of cp errors with your commands, changed any quotation mark and inverted comma, but this does not solve the problem ... :( /me thinks, I should learn a little bit more of these Bash internals ... ;) Wouldn't hurt to know some basic shell-scripting :-)) ciao Christian ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] ODF compatibility tests
Hi All, I was curious what compatibility tests are being run to ensure that LibO displays ODF accurately. I had asked a similar question a few days back on the LibO QA mailing list but never got a response. Is there an archive of standard compliant odf 1.0/1.1 and 1.2 files that is available? Alternatively, is there an ODF test to validate if a ODF file outputted by an ODF compatible software complies to the ODF standard and can output the file as a pdf to show how it should be rendered, somewhat similar to the Acid test for CSS. As part of my extensive testing of .docx files in LibO, i'm currently testing ODF outputted by LibO to see how well its imported into Word 2010 and 2013, as well as testing ODF outputted by Word 2010 and 2013 to see how well its imported into LibO. It would be nice to have a ODF software that i could use its output as a reference to compare these results against, as i've found ODF outputted by word 2010 that doesnt open correctly in LibO but did in Calligra Words and i've also found ODF files on libreoffice.org that displayed differences in LibO 4.1 and 4.2. Currently if a .doc, .docx or .rtf loads different between LibO and ms word, i report these bugs, but if there are load differences for .odt files its difficult to know if its a LibO or ms word problem. -- Jay Philips ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] ODF compatibility tests
Hi Jay, First - thanks for your work helping to test LibreOffice ! =) that's always appreciated. Of course, its -most- appreciated when the results of your work are easiest to fix - ie. as of now, testing 4.3 is rather more useful than 4.2. Nevertheless - it's some great work. On Fri, 2014-05-02 at 16:21 +0400, Jay Philips wrote: Alternatively, is there an ODF test to validate if a ODF file outputted by an ODF compatible software complies to the ODF standard and can output the file as a pdf to show how it should be rendered, somewhat similar to the Acid test for CSS. ODF doesn't specify layout, so no there are no tests of that sort. Naturally we do our best to retain layout compatibility and there are a number of tweaks and compatibility options too tedious to enumerate to achieve that for LibreOffice. Currently if a .doc, .docx or .rtf loads different between LibO and ms word, i report these bugs, but if there are load differences for .odt files its difficult to know if its a LibO or ms word problem. Well - I'd blame MS Word of course :-) at least if you want to fairly reflect the concern that our layout of DOCX is different to that in MS Office (DOCX also does not specify precise layout). Anyhow - thanks for your work ! hopefully it results in some good improvements over time. ATB, Michael. -- michael.me...@collabora.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [documentliberation-discuss] ODF compatibility tests
Hello Jay, I do not believe that there's a single tool or test suite ensuring that an ODF implementations display ODF correctly. We did/do have ODF PLugfests that rely on a set of rather empirical data (aka: get your computer and let's exchange ODF documents edited by several ODF implementations) and they tend to help. See here: http://plugfest.opendocsociety.org/doku.php However I do not believe what you're looking for does exist. Best, Charles. Le 2014-05-02 14:21, Jay Philips a écrit : Hi All, I was curious what compatibility tests are being run to ensure that LibO displays ODF accurately. I had asked a similar question a few days back on the LibO QA mailing list but never got a response. Is there an archive of standard compliant odf 1.0/1.1 and 1.2 files that is available? Alternatively, is there an ODF test to validate if a ODF file outputted by an ODF compatible software complies to the ODF standard and can output the file as a pdf to show how it should be rendered, somewhat similar to the Acid test for CSS. As part of my extensive testing of .docx files in LibO, i'm currently testing ODF outputted by LibO to see how well its imported into Word 2010 and 2013, as well as testing ODF outputted by Word 2010 and 2013 to see how well its imported into LibO. It would be nice to have a ODF software that i could use its output as a reference to compare these results against, as i've found ODF outputted by word 2010 that doesnt open correctly in LibO but did in Calligra Words and i've also found ODF files on libreoffice.org that displayed differences in LibO 4.1 and 4.2. Currently if a .doc, .docx or .rtf loads different between LibO and ms word, i report these bugs, but if there are load differences for .odt files its difficult to know if its a LibO or ms word problem. -- Jay Philips ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [documentliberation-discuss] ODF compatibility tests
Jay, Replying in more details: there are a few ODF validators out there but they are neither autoritative nor maintained. And ODF 1,2 has evolved after they were released: http://plugfest.opendocsociety.org/doku.php?id=validators:overview Cheers, Charles. Le 2014-05-02 14:56, Charles-H. Schulz a écrit : Hello Jay, I do not believe that there's a single tool or test suite ensuring that an ODF implementations display ODF correctly. We did/do have ODF PLugfests that rely on a set of rather empirical data (aka: get your computer and let's exchange ODF documents edited by several ODF implementations) and they tend to help. See here: http://plugfest.opendocsociety.org/doku.php However I do not believe what you're looking for does exist. Best, Charles. Le 2014-05-02 14:21, Jay Philips a écrit : Hi All, I was curious what compatibility tests are being run to ensure that LibO displays ODF accurately. I had asked a similar question a few days back on the LibO QA mailing list but never got a response. Is there an archive of standard compliant odf 1.0/1.1 and 1.2 files that is available? Alternatively, is there an ODF test to validate if a ODF file outputted by an ODF compatible software complies to the ODF standard and can output the file as a pdf to show how it should be rendered, somewhat similar to the Acid test for CSS. As part of my extensive testing of .docx files in LibO, i'm currently testing ODF outputted by LibO to see how well its imported into Word 2010 and 2013, as well as testing ODF outputted by Word 2010 and 2013 to see how well its imported into LibO. It would be nice to have a ODF software that i could use its output as a reference to compare these results against, as i've found ODF outputted by word 2010 that doesnt open correctly in LibO but did in Calligra Words and i've also found ODF files on libreoffice.org that displayed differences in LibO 4.1 and 4.2. Currently if a .doc, .docx or .rtf loads different between LibO and ms word, i report these bugs, but if there are load differences for .odt files its difficult to know if its a LibO or ms word problem. -- Jay Philips ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] ODF compatibility tests
On 05/02/2014 04:46 PM, Michael Meeks wrote: Hi Jay, Hi Michael, First - I enjoyed your FOSDEM 2011 and osC14 talks (especially the german two sausage ends joke) and look forward to seeing more. :) First - thanks for your work helping to test LibreOffice ! =) that's always appreciated. Of course, its -most- appreciated when the results of your work are easiest to fix - ie. as of now, testing 4.3 is rather more useful than 4.2. Nevertheless - it's some great work. Your welcome and it has been fun. :) My tests now do include testing master (4.3). On Fri, 2014-05-02 at 16:21 +0400, Jay Philips wrote: Alternatively, is there an ODF test to validate if a ODF file outputted by an ODF compatible software complies to the ODF standard and can output the file as a pdf to show how it should be rendered, somewhat similar to the Acid test for CSS. ODF doesn't specify layout, so no there are no tests of that sort. Naturally we do our best to retain layout compatibility and there are a number of tweaks and compatibility options too tedious to enumerate to achieve that for LibreOffice. Well ODF does specify page size, page orientation, image positioning on the page, etc. which ultimately is defining layout, but there has to be a means to know whether the output of software reading or writing ODF is correct, or else how would one detect that the display is correct or not. Currently if a .doc, .docx or .rtf loads different between LibO and ms word, i report these bugs, but if there are load differences for .odt files its difficult to know if its a LibO or ms word problem. Well - I'd blame MS Word of course :-) at least if you want to fairly reflect the concern that our layout of DOCX is different to that in MS Office (DOCX also does not specify precise layout). I too blame MS word first, but if Calligra Words whose native format is ODF is showing it the same as MS word, where do i go from there. There was also problems opening Calligra Words files in LibO, which i have reported as bugs, but dont know whether i should blame Calligra or LibO. Anyhow - thanks for your work ! hopefully it results in some good improvements over time. Its been my pleasure. 43 bugs and counting, mainly just compatibility issues and a few crashes.Wish i could send in more enhancement suggestions, but i dont use office suits. :) ATB, Michael. Jay ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] ODF compatibility tests
Hi Jay, Jay Philips schrieb: Hi All, I was curious what compatibility tests are being run to ensure that LibO displays ODF accurately. There exists no reference implementation for ODF. I had asked a similar question a few days back on the LibO QA mailing list but never got a response. Is there an archive of standard compliant odf 1.0/1.1 and 1.2 files that is available? Alternatively, is there an ODF test to validate if a ODF file outputted by an ODF compatible software complies to the ODF standard and can output the file as a pdf to show how it should be rendered, somewhat similar to the Acid test for CSS. Please keep in mind, that LibreOffice writes ODF1.2 extended as default. That contains more than currently specified in ODF1.2. Likely not all, but the most differences are documented in https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/ODF_Implementer_Notes As part of my extensive testing of .docx files in LibO, i'm currently testing ODF outputted by LibO to see how well its imported into Word 2010 and 2013, as well as testing ODF outputted by Word 2010 and 2013 to see how well its imported into LibO. It would be nice to have a ODF software that i could use its output as a reference to compare these results against, as i've found ODF outputted by word 2010 that doesnt open correctly in LibO but did in Calligra Words and i've also found ODF files on libreoffice.org that displayed differences in LibO 4.1 and 4.2. Currently if a .doc, .docx or .rtf loads different between LibO and ms word, i report these bugs, but if there are load differences for .odt files its difficult to know if its a LibO or ms word problem. Perhaps validator http://odf-validator2.rhcloud.com/odf-validator2/ or http://officeshots.org/ might help. For MS Word you should consider the information from Microsoft as well. http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=20601 The normative reference is the spec itself. https://www.oasis-open.org/standards#opendocumentv1.2 If you cannot resolve it using the spec, you can write to opendocument-us...@lists.oasis-open.org, or if you can already point to the place where something is not precise enough specified write to office-comm...@lists.oasis-open.org. Or write an issue about the difference and attach a small(!) test document. Some people here are involved in the OASIS OpenDocument TC. Kind regards Regina ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [documentliberation-discuss] ODF compatibility tests
Hey, On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Jay, Replying in more details: there are a few ODF validators out there but they are neither autoritative nor maintained. And ODF 1,2 has evolved after they were released: http://plugfest.opendocsociety.org/doku.php?id=validators:overview Cheers, Charles. Just to follow-up on this. Inside Libreoffice's automated tests we use officeotron for OOXMl validation and odfvalidator for ODF validation. There are not many automated tests that check the layout (limited to Impress and charts) but quite a few that make sure that we don't loose content during import or export. Normally we add them after fixing a bug to prevent the same error in the future. Additionally we have a script that imports all bugzilla documents and exports them to different formats and runs a validation on the exported files to find export problems. Except for these tests we have currently no tests that check either validation or our filters. As some people already pointed out there is neither a official set of test documents nor is the layout specified in either ODF or OOXML. Regards, Markus ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] ODF compatibility tests
Hi Jay, Le 02/05/2014 14:21, Jay Philips a écrit : Hi All, I was curious what compatibility tests are being run to ensure that LibO displays ODF accurately. I had asked a similar question a few days back on the LibO QA mailing list but never got a response. Is there an archive of standard compliant odf 1.0/1.1 and 1.2 files that is available? Alternatively, is there an ODF test to validate if a ODF file outputted by an ODF compatible software complies to the ODF standard and can output the file as a pdf to show how it should be rendered, somewhat similar to the Acid test for CSS. As part of my extensive testing of .docx files in LibO, i'm currently testing ODF outputted by LibO to see how well its imported into Word 2010 and 2013, as well as testing ODF outputted by Word 2010 and 2013 to see how well its imported into LibO. It would be nice to have a ODF software that i could use its output as a reference to compare these results against, as i've found ODF outputted by word 2010 that doesnt open correctly in LibO but did in Calligra Words and i've also found ODF files on libreoffice.org that displayed differences in LibO 4.1 and 4.2. Currently if a .doc, .docx or .rtf loads different between LibO and ms word, i report these bugs, but if there are load differences for .odt files its difficult to know if its a LibO or ms word problem. If you are interested, I'm maintaining a tool for the QA team, mainly for manual regression tests, but also to tests new features. It's called MozTrap and you can find it here : http://manual-test.libreoffice.org/results/runs/ I would like to add more regression tests on import/export to Office formats, but I don't have Windows or Office so it makes it difficult for me to write accurate tests. Would you be interested to help me to write them correctly and add some samples to tests. Here is MozTrap guide: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/MozTrap/User_Guide Kind regards Sophie -- Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org Tel:+33683901545 Membership Certification Committee Member - Co-founder The Document Foundation ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] 4.3 Upgrade unusable!
Hi, I got a PM with a rtf file. I will comment on it I will enclose the quotes in # at the beginning and end 4. the vital [Ctrl][Sh] and for changing font size is not set up in any other WP. Enhancement request (trivial, maybe easyhack) Cannot find it in list found @ Tools-Customize-Keyboard I have gone on far too long about these basics. If you feel some sympathy with my assertion of the fundamental importance of these 3 points I will be happy to contribute other more detailed suggestions; otherwise I will have to struggle along with things as they are! Suggestions always welcome, but better to be discussed in public. I will keep it for now on the QA ML, but we might want to switch to the global user list Supporting the above does not exclude other options, but would require an easy to use /obvious choice (probably an addition to the menu bar) between say 5 (max) preset interfaces/views which cover some well thought out favoured compatibility setups, such as Classic, XP, Mac, Latest, plus Accessible. What is the difference between those? Aren't most of them the same. I could see Classic, Sidebar, Accessibility, where the latter one is invisible, as this is a 3rd party tool An option to change the colour scheme similar to the provided for the OS via Control Panel /Display would be excellent. Whats wrong with: Tools → Options → LibreOffice(Dev) → Appearence. Feel free to change anything here A few Detailed suggestions: Some default autocorrect actions could usefully be “improved” over Word’s, eg. Suppress this automatic capitalisation after a stop as the default, and prevent the automatic change of - to – by context (see also in para. 2 above); these are the two I find irritating; occasionally I find setting ‘’ and “” goes wrong when not used in the straightforward ways in this document. Maybe Options → AutoCorrectOptions ### “Improvements” such as transferring “Page Setup” to the Format menu as in LO would really be such ONLY IF they were also retained in the “default” location – having some actions accessible by different routes should not be considered a failure, but a logical requirement of the fallibility of our design process – not to mention user logic! ### Where was it? I only know it from Format -- Page Finally, we did think about a easier UI for the settings, but we can't force anyone to work at this (Regarding setup help at start of LibO) I hope I did cover the most important points and the email doesn't look crazy (Lot of format and paste) Yours, Florian ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] ODF compatibility tests
Hi Sophie, If you are not already aware, you can create office documents at office.com as it is free. I have created a few tests there myself, but prefer to use ms word myself. I could definitely supply you with any sample files that you need to run the tests, but unfortunately i dont think i would have the time to manage test runs myself. Jay Philips On 05/02/2014 07:20 PM, Sophie wrote: Hi Jay, Le 02/05/2014 14:21, Jay Philips a écrit : Hi All, I was curious what compatibility tests are being run to ensure that LibO displays ODF accurately. I had asked a similar question a few days back on the LibO QA mailing list but never got a response. Is there an archive of standard compliant odf 1.0/1.1 and 1.2 files that is available? Alternatively, is there an ODF test to validate if a ODF file outputted by an ODF compatible software complies to the ODF standard and can output the file as a pdf to show how it should be rendered, somewhat similar to the Acid test for CSS. As part of my extensive testing of .docx files in LibO, i'm currently testing ODF outputted by LibO to see how well its imported into Word 2010 and 2013, as well as testing ODF outputted by Word 2010 and 2013 to see how well its imported into LibO. It would be nice to have a ODF software that i could use its output as a reference to compare these results against, as i've found ODF outputted by word 2010 that doesnt open correctly in LibO but did in Calligra Words and i've also found ODF files on libreoffice.org that displayed differences in LibO 4.1 and 4.2. Currently if a .doc, .docx or .rtf loads different between LibO and ms word, i report these bugs, but if there are load differences for .odt files its difficult to know if its a LibO or ms word problem. If you are interested, I'm maintaining a tool for the QA team, mainly for manual regression tests, but also to tests new features. It's called MozTrap and you can find it here : http://manual-test.libreoffice.org/results/runs/ I would like to add more regression tests on import/export to Office formats, but I don't have Windows or Office so it makes it difficult for me to write accurate tests. Would you be interested to help me to write them correctly and add some samples to tests. Here is MozTrap guide: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/MozTrap/User_Guide Kind regards Sophie ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] ODF compatibility tests
Hi Jay,, Le 02/05/2014 17:40, Jay Philips a écrit : Hi Sophie, If you are not already aware, you can create office documents at office.com as it is free. I have created a few tests there myself, but prefer to use ms word myself. Yes, thanks, but it's not exactly the same as local version and I don't know what version is used online so it makes the test less trustful on a QA perspective. I could definitely supply you with any sample files that you need to run the tests, but unfortunately i dont think i would have the time to manage test runs myself. Of course, I don't want you to manage test runs :) but if you could supply me with few docs and what needs to be tested based on your experience, it would be great. Cheers Sophie Jay Philips On 05/02/2014 07:20 PM, Sophie wrote: Hi Jay, Le 02/05/2014 14:21, Jay Philips a écrit : Hi All, I was curious what compatibility tests are being run to ensure that LibO displays ODF accurately. I had asked a similar question a few days back on the LibO QA mailing list but never got a response. Is there an archive of standard compliant odf 1.0/1.1 and 1.2 files that is available? Alternatively, is there an ODF test to validate if a ODF file outputted by an ODF compatible software complies to the ODF standard and can output the file as a pdf to show how it should be rendered, somewhat similar to the Acid test for CSS. As part of my extensive testing of .docx files in LibO, i'm currently testing ODF outputted by LibO to see how well its imported into Word 2010 and 2013, as well as testing ODF outputted by Word 2010 and 2013 to see how well its imported into LibO. It would be nice to have a ODF software that i could use its output as a reference to compare these results against, as i've found ODF outputted by word 2010 that doesnt open correctly in LibO but did in Calligra Words and i've also found ODF files on libreoffice.org that displayed differences in LibO 4.1 and 4.2. Currently if a .doc, .docx or .rtf loads different between LibO and ms word, i report these bugs, but if there are load differences for .odt files its difficult to know if its a LibO or ms word problem. If you are interested, I'm maintaining a tool for the QA team, mainly for manual regression tests, but also to tests new features. It's called MozTrap and you can find it here : http://manual-test.libreoffice.org/results/runs/ I would like to add more regression tests on import/export to Office formats, but I don't have Windows or Office so it makes it difficult for me to write accurate tests. Would you be interested to help me to write them correctly and add some samples to tests. Here is MozTrap guide: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/MozTrap/User_Guide Kind regards Sophie ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/ -- Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org Tel:+33683901545 Membership Certification Committee Member - Co-founder The Document Foundation ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] What should I do with a bug, where I got a file to test and can confirm it, but are not allowed to attach the file to the bug?
Hello Christian, *, On Fr, 2. Mai 2014 12:46 Christian Lohmaier wrote: On Thursday, May 1, 2014, Thomas Hackert thack...@nexgo.dejavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','thack...@nexgo.de'); wrote [randomly sending documents to devs] sigh ... Maybe I will find the time this weekend, and than I will try to join IRC. No need to sigh - just meant as it is just not nice to just randomly mail documents to people without asking first. That I would not mail documents randomly to our devs ;) I just wanted to find out, who of the devs is responsible for the master document code to ask him, if it is OK to send it after I have explained the problem to him ... ;) basically means I expect you to fix it, no matter how many other things you need to do and that's just not nice. He, do you really think, I am that evil ;? IRC just is easiest medium for quick feedback regarding this - you're not forced to used IRC. It depends: I remember times during bug hunting parties, where you have to wait, until someone ansered there ... :( Then again ... This is the same with mail ... ;) [discus, disk or something else?] Ring, CD, but not discus or disk - that is misleading. And write that it is one with big radius, otherwise the screenshot in the bug doesn't make it clear what is being talked about. And no need to rewrite the comment again. O.K. [How to find a string in one ODT] for file in *.odt; do cp -f my-one-sample.odt $i; done i.e. for each file U1 whatever, it copies (and overwrites, that's what the -f switch does) a single document, in this case my-one-sample.odt. over the file. I get an quote cp: cannot stat 'my-one-sample.odt': No such file or directory /quote here ... :( Well - that is the placeholder for the one filename you want to use. Obviously I have no idea how you name your documents / how the documents in the example are all called :-) But ... I understood this command that way, that it will create my- one-sample.odt, if it does not exist. And this was my intention :) I just copied your example as is to prevent any typos ... ;) Does it mean, that I have to create this file beforehand? but it might just be a drawing shape. for file in *.odt; do zipgrep 'draw:type=ring' $file /dev/null echo Ringshape in file $file; done Again, only an error message: quote bash: syntax error near unexpected token `' /quote PS: - Just use a blank line - that makes it easier to parse quickly (at least for me :-)) the lenghty quote isn't necessary. O.K. And yes, it is a copy'n'paste error. the whole commans is meant to be put on a single line. And it is meant to be run from the directory where all the odts are - otherwise the *.odt won't match anything. I had run it in the directory with all the odt files ... ;) for file in *.odt; means get a list of all files with odt extension and run a loop with it. For each file you encounter, assign the filename to the variable file O.K. do zipgrep 'draw:type=ring' $file /dev/null echo Ringshape in file $file means: for each file, run the command zipgrep. Search for the string 'draw:type=ring' in the file named $file (that is where we reuse the variable define in the previous part), and discard the output if it matches (redirect stdout to /dev/null , that is the /dev/null part. content.xml has no linebreaks, and when the zipgrep matches, it would pint a hge line to the terminal that we're not interested in anyway. If zipgrep did find something, then output the name of the file with the echo statement. Ah, O.K. means. If the previous command returned without error, then run the second one. || would be the opposite: if the previous command returned with || error (in the case of zipgrep: string wasn't found), then run the second one. ; is the third way: No matter whether previous command was successful or not, just run the second one anyway. O.K. done marks the end of the statement that should be repeated. so everything between the do and done is executed for each file. O.K. Thank you for your crash course with Bash oneliners :) ... :( First I thought, some kind of cp errors with your commands, changed any quotation mark and inverted comma, but this does not solve the problem ... :( /me thinks, I should learn a little bit more of these Bash internals ... ;) Wouldn't hurt to know some basic shell-scripting :-)) Sure :) Just need an easy to understand and fast too read guide ... ;) And one, which is not a shell scripting guide, but only an advanced luser guide ... ;) But still, if I use your example as a oneliner, I get zipinfo: cannot find or open , .zip or .ZIP. /usr/bin/zipgrep: 97: test: -eq: unexpected operator /usr/bin/zipgrep: 100: test: Illegal number: as an message ... :( Does this mean, zipgrep does not recognize ODTs as zip files? Do I have to either change all file extensions to zip instead of odt, or find some kind of file to tell zip(grep), that
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] ODF compatibility tests
On 05/02/2014 07:50 PM, Sophie wrote: Hi Jay,, Le 02/05/2014 17:40, Jay Philips a écrit : Hi Sophie, If you are not already aware, you can create office documents at office.com as it is free. I have created a few tests there myself, but prefer to use ms word myself. Yes, thanks, but it's not exactly the same as local version and I don't know what version is used online so it makes the test less trustful on a QA perspective. I just confirmed that the online version is running word 2013 as i tested a document that opens one way in 2010 and another way in 2013. I could definitely supply you with any sample files that you need to run the tests, but unfortunately i dont think i would have the time to manage test runs myself. Of course, I don't want you to manage test runs :) but if you could supply me with few docs and what needs to be tested based on your experience, it would be great. Yes i could definitely supply you with a few docs, but my experience is quite limited to the tests that i'm currently doing and sending bug fixes in for. Cheers Sophie Jay Philips On 05/02/2014 07:20 PM, Sophie wrote: Hi Jay, Le 02/05/2014 14:21, Jay Philips a écrit : Hi All, I was curious what compatibility tests are being run to ensure that LibO displays ODF accurately. I had asked a similar question a few days back on the LibO QA mailing list but never got a response. Is there an archive of standard compliant odf 1.0/1.1 and 1.2 files that is available? Alternatively, is there an ODF test to validate if a ODF file outputted by an ODF compatible software complies to the ODF standard and can output the file as a pdf to show how it should be rendered, somewhat similar to the Acid test for CSS. As part of my extensive testing of .docx files in LibO, i'm currently testing ODF outputted by LibO to see how well its imported into Word 2010 and 2013, as well as testing ODF outputted by Word 2010 and 2013 to see how well its imported into LibO. It would be nice to have a ODF software that i could use its output as a reference to compare these results against, as i've found ODF outputted by word 2010 that doesnt open correctly in LibO but did in Calligra Words and i've also found ODF files on libreoffice.org that displayed differences in LibO 4.1 and 4.2. Currently if a .doc, .docx or .rtf loads different between LibO and ms word, i report these bugs, but if there are load differences for .odt files its difficult to know if its a LibO or ms word problem. If you are interested, I'm maintaining a tool for the QA team, mainly for manual regression tests, but also to tests new features. It's called MozTrap and you can find it here : http://manual-test.libreoffice.org/results/runs/ I would like to add more regression tests on import/export to Office formats, but I don't have Windows or Office so it makes it difficult for me to write accurate tests. Would you be interested to help me to write them correctly and add some samples to tests. Here is MozTrap guide: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/MozTrap/User_Guide Kind regards Sophie ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/ ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] DOCX Test 4 Results
Hi All, I just wanted to share with you all the results of my latest extended .docx test and hope its okay to do so here in the mailing list. file url: http://download.microsoft.com/documents/customerevidence/Files/71003670/Xiamen_Tungsten_Group_unifies_enterprise.docx file contents: chinese language, text and images, 6 pages, 230Kb Results * docx doc - paragraph spacing is off [reported] - * export doc, docx strict, docx trans, odt - perfect as same as input * export rtf - font name not retained [4.1 - 4.3] and regression in font color not retained [4.2 only] [reported] * exports in word 2010 - all look good except doc/docx have a few bullet points with text on the following line [reported] - * kingsoft doc export - using Sinsum rather than Microsoft Yahei, blue colored text appeared in green, image centered rather than being left aligned, and second image had text wrapping on when it should have been off [reported] * kingsoft docx export - paragraph spacing is off * kingsoft rtf export - font name not retained [4.1 - 4.3] and not openable in versions below 4.1 [reported] - * word 2013/2010 doc, docx trans, docx strict, rtf export - paragraph and line spacing is off * word 2013/2010 odt export - table type lines appeared on the page which are not visible in calligra words [reported] Rating: B as opening/saving rtf/doc had font and image problems, as well as problems with opening ms word odt file -- Jay Philips ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/