Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Another Round of Interoperability

2014-08-05 Thread Marina Latini


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 Da: Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com
 A: libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org
 Inviato: Lunedì, 4 agosto 2014 22:05:07
 Oggetto: Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Another Round of Interoperability
 
 Hi Marina,

Hi Jay, All

 
 I have added all my recent non-fixed RTF bugs to the meta bug and will
 add my older list as well shortly. Thanks for confirming the bugs. :)

Thank you :)
Well done!

Referring to fdo#82067 (https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=82067)
I can confirm the problem but, according to 
http://opengrok.libreoffice.org/xref/core/sw/source/filter/ww8/writerhelper.hxx#75
this is a feature not our bug. 
We are anchoring all the images as character for compatibility reason because 
the anchor as character is the only one present in all MS rtf versions.
I think this isn't the right behaviour but I'm not a dev and these are only my 
2 cents. We could try to import the selected type of anchor specified in the 
document and use the as character one as a legacy mode. While creating a new 
rtf file we could try to use only the anchor as character, after informing 
the user of this kind of choice.

Best,
Marina

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[Libreoffice-qa] Someone with Kubuntu / KDE

2014-08-05 Thread Jay Philips
Hi All,

Stumbled on this Kubuntu UI bug in calc and wondered if someone can have
a look at it. It may also effect other KDE desktops.

https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=82036

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Someone with Kubuntu / KDE

2014-08-05 Thread Luc Castermans
I am running Debian/KDE I can check later today. OK?

2014-08-05 10:17 GMT+02:00 Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com:
 Hi All,

 Stumbled on this Kubuntu UI bug in calc and wondered if someone can have
 a look at it. It may also effect other KDE desktops.

 https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=82036

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 Regards,
 Jay Philips
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Update whiteboard wiki page

2014-08-05 Thread Aleksandr P
Hello.

 Some weeks ago there was a discussion about whiteboard, but
 information in wiki is incomplete. For example, I can not find
 information about such statuses as filter:doc or filter:rtf.

 Indeed I see them missing ;) Good thing about wiki is that anyone can update
 it :-D The filter:xxx decision was made not too long ago - feel free to add
 it.

Well, I have added information about filter:xxx and changed examples
in BugTriage to use tags from the current list.

Best regards,
Alexandr
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Another Round of Interoperability

2014-08-05 Thread Jay Philips
Thanks for the workflow info. Regarding the second case, are there more
problems opening or saving the RTF documents. Can you send me some
sample second and third case files for me to do some testing on?

Regards,
Jay Philips

On 08/05/2014 02:41 PM, Marina Latini wrote:
 
 
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 Da: Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com
 A: libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org
 Inviato: Martedì, 5 agosto 2014 10:56:42
 Oggetto: Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Another Round of Interoperability

 Hi Marina,

 About fdo#82067, i'm not a dev as well, but i think if the RTF opens in
 Word, Kingsoft Writer, and in the old RTF importer that libreoffice had
 in 3.3, then it should work now. Lets see what the devs think of it. :)
 
 ok :)
 

 You mentioned previously that Italy's Public Adminstrations uses rtf
 files for their workflow, is it just opening rtfs to convert them to odf
 or saving them also in rtf?
 
 the workflow is a little bit complicated. :(
 They use some third party softwares to generate the documents. These various 
 softwares use rtf format as a template and through a mail merge produce the 
 final rtf document with all the required fields.
 
 * First case: the software produces a doc file for editing and a pdf for 
 storage. the users can edit the doc, send and store it. our doc filter works 
 fine :)
 * Second case: the software produces a rtf file for editing and a pdf for 
 storage. The user can edit the rtf and here we have a huge of 
 interoperability problems. The versions of MS Office are heterogeneous and 
 the final rtf files can be different. :(
 * Third case: the software uses a set of templates generated with MS Office. 
 We have a lot of interoperability problems again :(
 * Fourth case: the software uses a set of handmade templates. We have 
 interoperability problems but we can try to solve them ;)
 
 The biggest problems are related to the anchoring of the images and to tables 
 or nested tables.
 In my speech in Bern I'll describe the Italian state of art. 
 
 Best,
 Marina
 
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Another Round of Interoperability

2014-08-05 Thread Aleksandr P
Hello.

 Is useful expecially in Italy. Our Public Administrations use a lot of rtf 
 files for their workflow
 and we have a lot of problem with this orrible file format. :(
 Often the bug report doesn't contain the whiteboard tag or the description is 
 not so clear.
 so, a meta is useful for quickly identify and verify a new interoperability 
 problem.

Yes, I am meeting this problem too. Working with rtf in LibreOffice is
painfull. If you believe that metabug helps developers - let it be. I
add some old bugs. We should not foget about them.

Best regards,
Alexandr
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Another Round of Interoperability

2014-08-05 Thread Joel Madero
 Hello.

  Is useful expecially in Italy. Our Public Administrations use a lot of
 rtf files for their workflow
  and we have a lot of problem with this orrible file format. :(
  Often the bug report doesn't contain the whiteboard tag or the
 description is not so clear.
  so, a meta is useful for quickly identify and verify a new
 interoperability problem.

 Yes, I am meeting this problem too. Working with rtf in LibreOffice is
 painfull. If you believe that metabug helps developers - let it be. I
 add some old bugs. We should not foget about them.


Before opening a meta bug I suggest pinging the dev list (and particularly
the rtf expert(s) and ask them if it will help at all. We have quite a few
meta bugs that are literally never looked at. How would this be better than
just putting filter:rtf on all of them? Would it do something extra?

Best,
Joel
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