Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...
2015-03-16 0:42 GMT+02:00 Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com: Hi Joel, Of course these are my wishes on user side :) And 1,2 are missing features for enterprise usage which we extensively used in companies. IMHO - GSoC should not be used in order to subsidize enterprise users desires. If this is an enterprise feature - let them pay for support to get it enabled. Just my two cents - I'm not a fan of subsidizing others to make money off of LibreOffice. This only encourages these companies to continue to sit on the sidelines instead of becoming a member of the community by using some of the funds that they save by using LibreOffice (over our competitors) to help fund development within the project. I understand you. But there is no a certain borders between enterprise usage and regular usage, it is an office software and most of regular users (also small companies) should benefit from them too. Can you clearly seperate personale needs and corporate needs? For example improved docx support, is it a corporate need or personal need? Should it be left as corporates interchanges docs more often? In addtion these are not new or innovative needs for certain compaines, these are the functionalities those are already exists in other office software, and creates gaps with LibreOffice. I cannot ask a small company owner to donate thousands of euros (may be greater then their licence cost for years) to have such basic needs while i promote LibreOffice them to reduce their licencing costs. I ask them for a decent and regular donation... It is really hard to do marketing in developing countries such as our country, and it can take years to us to find corporate sponsors to add such 'old' functionalites to LibreOffice. It can be a long discussion and has many perspectives; marketing, free software awareness, free riders etc. I don't know if there is a policy that seperates enterprise needs and leaves them to be funded from companeis, if so having a funding pool may be good and we can drive SME's to donate there, otherwise it becomes irrational to promote LibreOffice to them. Regards, Zeki ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...
On 03/15/2015 03:39 PM, Zeki Bildirici wrote: Hi Micheal, 2015-03-12 18:19 GMT+02:00 Michael Meeks michael.me...@collabora.com: * GSoC (Cedric/Thorsten) + Wiki page there; we still have time to add tasks here: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Gsoc/Ideas + more ideas much appreciated I am not a dev and nor an expert about GSoC, but i want to ask if the following issues are suitable to propose: 1- Improve filtering/sorting in Calc -- Filtering by cell color, search in filter dialog etc. (https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=76258, https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=89908) 2- Enhancement of Watermark Feature (https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Enterprises_nice-to-have#Enhancement_of_Watermark_Feature ) 3- Converting presentations to impress https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34959 4- Add narration support to Impress Of course these are my wishes on user side :) And 1,2 are missing features for enterprise usage which we extensively used in companies. IMHO - GSoC should not be used in order to subsidize enterprise users desires. If this is an enterprise feature - let them pay for support to get it enabled. Just my two cents - I'm not a fan of subsidizing others to make money off of LibreOffice. This only encourages these companies to continue to sit on the sidelines instead of becoming a member of the community by using some of the funds that they save by using LibreOffice (over our competitors) to help fund development within the project. Best, Joel ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...
Hi Zeki, As always you raise interesting points :) 2015-03-16 0:42 GMT+02:00 Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com: Hi Joel, Of course these are my wishes on user side :) And 1,2 are missing features for enterprise usage which we extensively used in companies. IMHO - GSoC should not be used in order to subsidize enterprise users desires. If this is an enterprise feature - let them pay for support to get it enabled. Just my two cents - I'm not a fan of subsidizing others to make money off of LibreOffice. This only encourages these companies to continue to sit on the sidelines instead of becoming a member of the community by using some of the funds that they save by using LibreOffice (over our competitors) to help fund development within the project. I understand you. But there is no a certain borders between enterprise usage and regular usage, it is an office software and most of regular users (also small companies) should benefit from them too. Can you clearly seperate personale needs and corporate needs? For example improved docx support, is it a corporate need or personal need? Should it be left as corporates interchanges docs more often? Sure my general definition is something along the lines of a feature or enhancement that would predominantly benefit enterprise users and which day to day users would either not notice at all, or not find entirely useful. You said that the items you listed were enterprise items - I didn't think much about them to determine if I agree, but since you said they were enterprise items, I'll trust your judgment and stick to my previous remark :-D In addtion these are not new or innovative needs for certain compaines, these are the functionalities those are already exists in other office software, and creates gaps with LibreOffice. I cannot ask a small company owner to donate thousands of euros (may be greater then their licence cost for years) to have such basic needs while i promote LibreOffice them to reduce their licencing costs. I ask them for a decent and regular donation... Some basic needs is not entirely useful. Let's say a company with 20 employees switch from Microsoft Office to LibreOffice - we're talking about $2k a year that they'll be saving. If they put 20% back into the ecosystem to build these basic needs items we'll be in good shape. What would be best is if people like you (who advocate that they donate) - get a group together of these small companies to share resources to get these things implemented. If you could get 100 small companies together, each giving $1k a year - and who speak with one voice as to what these basic needs items areyou'd make *tremendous* progress. It is really hard to do marketing in developing countries such as our country, and it can take years to us to find corporate sponsors to add such 'old' functionalites to LibreOffice. It can be a long discussion and has many perspectives; marketing, free software awareness, free riders etc. Sure - that's a marketing issue. This is about spreading the message about the benefit of openness, transparency, and a *different* kind of software where we collectively seek the best solutions and to grow an ecosystem that sustains people's livelihoods. I don't know if there is a policy that seperates enterprise needs and leaves them to be funded from companeis, if so having a funding pool may be good and we can drive SME's to donate there, otherwise it becomes irrational to promote LibreOffice to them. +1 to funding pool - but that should be separate from TDF proper and maybe could be a pool that does tenders about specific things that a collective group of people/small businesses want to see. If such an organization arises (which I highly encourage) - I would be the first one within TDF to support them and try to find ways to assist in their success. If you try to do such a thing - feel free to contact me (personally, outside of the mailing list) to brainstorm about possibilities. I know Robinson is also quite interested in this subject. Best, Joel ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
