Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2017-08-31 Thread Michael Meeks
Hi there,

On 31/08/17 16:35, khagaroth wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 4:49 PM, Michael Meeks
> mailto:michael.me...@collabora.com>> wrote:
> 
>+ calc/PDF – wrt. line-breaking: most concern
>   + Khaled ? driven away by annoying reporter ?
>   *+ calc issue appears to affect only him → ignore it?
> (Xisco)*
>  + declared strategy to annoy people to fix his bugs
> (Thorsten)
> + should we mute / give him a stern talk ?
> 
> 
> Care to elaborate how it only affects him? I have hundreds of existing
> calc documents with multiline text that are now broken (ie they
> display/print/export badly)

Did you file a bug or two ? I imagine this is based on Xisco's
extensive bug reading.

Of course, it is a shame that one person's bad attitude causes people
to get upset; if it is not something affecting just them - then its
worthy of wider examination I guess.

The more help with this class of bugs - poking the code, investigating
causes, and/or when the regression got introduced, reading the patches &
coming up with a solution the better - much appreciated.

ATB,

Michael.

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[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2017-08-31 Thread Michael Meeks
* Present:
+ Jan-Marek, Stephan, Caolan, Heiko, Miklos, Shinnok, Thorsten,
  Xisco, Michael M, Eike, Armin, Christian, Kendy, Olivier

* Completed Action Items:
+ find out if we have projects & mentors for Capstone (Shinnok)
[ no-one replied – sent a follow-up E-mail, no replies
  could mentor himself – but perhaps a stretch now ]
+ Update the roadmap wiki with new 5.3.6/7 dates (Christian)
+ https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/ScreenshotsAtInstall
+ work out what a good idea is here (Kendy, Thorsten)
  + no actual actions → drop it.
+ create redirect / transparent proxy so that we can use
  help.libreoffice.org directly even for the new stuff (Christian)
 [ now done – can use help.libreoffice.org domain to get help 
 e.g 
https://help.libreoffice.org/latest/en-US/text/swriter/main.html ]
+ build a write-up of the differences cross-platform (Xisco)
  [ write-up is done
people are reading it (Heiko)
   + where to go next
   + concerns wrt. multiplier from Thorsten
   + couple of tickets related to Khaled patch
   + a Norbert spamming Telegram channel on this topic
   + affects UI & text – inconsistent spacing.
   + also export to PDF; different to display.
Looked for related bugs in Bugzilla (Xisco)
   + didn’t look in too much detail
+ 
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Minutes-of-ESC-call-2017-08-17-tt4220768.html#a4221038
AI:+ dialog / cropping → perhaps have a look / Caolan ?
   + web view – a bug here ...
   + calc/PDF – wrt. line-breaking: most concern
  + Khaled ? driven away by annoying reporter ?
  + calc issue appears to affect only him → ignore it? (Xisco)
 + declared strategy to annoy people to fix his bugs (Thorsten)
+ should we mute / give him a stern talk ?
  + a couple of others reporting issues (Heiko)
 + waiting.
   + multiplier suggestion / add it ? (Thorsten)
  + no code proposal to examine. ]

* Pending Action Items:

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.3.6 RC2 & 5.4.1 RC2
+ annoucned as final today & out of the door.
+ 5.3.7 - 1st week of October as initially scheduled
+ 5.4.2 RC1 – week after next Sept 12th
+ Online
+ up-loaded a 5.4.2 – and published.

* Documentation (Olivier) 
+ Updates in helponline
+ now receiving part of the traffic from help wiki
+ changes in HTML per cloph recommendation
+ search-engine tweakage for specific languages in progress
+ Updates in help pages to reflect consistency/completness
+ (bubli, G. Kelemen. A.Barrientos, ohallot)
+ Project to deliver Getting Started Guide 6.0 on-going
+ weekly meeting
+ team contributing with updates
+ aproaching revision time.

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
256(256) (topicUI) bugs open, 408(408) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months   
 added  5(-2)17(2) 33(2)  141(-205)
 commented 36(-8)   166(-4)   492(8) 3024(-287)
   removed  0(0)  1(-1) 5(0)   44(0)   
  resolved  5(-1)25(-6)70(1)  287(0)   
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 146 changes in 1 month, and 1619 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 45 changes in 1 month, and 602 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 44 changes in 1 month, and 442 changes in 1 year
  Philips, Yousuf made 41 changes in 1 month, and 1454 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 36 changes in 1 month, and 356 changes in 1 year
  Adolfo Jayme Barrientos made 35 changes in 1 month, and 64 changes in 
1 y
  Faulí Tarazona, Xisco made 15 changes in 1 month, and 469 changes in 
1 y
  Buovjaga made 12 changes in 1 month, and 353 changes in 1 year
  Telesto made 11 changes in 1 month, and 73 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 9 changes in 1 month, and 47 changes in 1 year

+ Mascot accepted 270 proposals (this morning); 1st voting phase next
+ who makes the decision ? (Michael)
+ prepared in bite-able pieces (Heiko)
   + should be easy & reasonably quick.
+ Survey with open source questions: 1500 participants and analyis to be 
done
+ Direct formatting in ToC: not recommended by UX team
+ someone requested this enhancement
+ talked; Miklos commented in the ticket.
+ design meeting: not recommend this change.
   + not open the Pandora’s Box
+ to some extent already the case (Miklos)
   + just for a restricted set of character attributes
+ Default spacing between columns (gutter): from 0cm

[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of the Design meeting: 2017-Aug-31

2017-08-31 Thread Heiko Tietze
Present: Jay, Eric, Tomaz, Stuart, Heiko

 * LibO mascot
   + Competition finishing today
   * So far 270 valid contributions
   + First voting phase coming up

 * Use direct formatting and character style in ToC
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87604
   + Limitation unclear, e.g. font size?
   + Scope unclear, alphabetical index, figures, tables...
   + implementation issues to pick single properties and not use font size, for 
example (Stuart, Jay)
   + Take all properties (Heiko)
   + running into trouble with direct formattings (Stuart)
   + font size can be relative; ToC should stay plain (Eric)
   + optionally, all properties excluding font size (Jay)
   + likely not possible to modify the ToC (clear direct formatting) (Jay)
   + compatibility with Windows not paramount here (Stuart)
   => keep ticket open

 * Menu organization: move Compare and Merge Documents into Edit
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=109302
   + Track changes is different to document operations (Eric, Heiko)
 + Both are related (Jay, Stuart)
   + Not enough space in edit menu (Jay)
   + Benjamin's wouldn't look for this function so root of menu is not needed 
(Stuart)
   => WF

 * New Tango icons
   + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/41688/
   + glossy or not
   => no glossyness (Jay)
   => Andreas: please make the icons plain

 * Default spacing at columns
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90191
   + depending on font between 3-5mm - so 0.04cm (Regina)
   + Word uses 0.5in/1.27cm, Calligra: 0.6cm, WPS: 0.75cm or two characters
   => agreed on 0.6cm



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