Re: [tdf-internal] ESC meeting minutes: 2024-04-04

[Michael Meeks]

Hi Eyal,

On 04/04/2024 22:37, Eyal Rozenberg wrote:

Shame on the BoD - current and previous - for carrying out the entire
hiring process for a RTL/CTL/CJK develop while completely shutting out


	I've no real insight into the process and was not involved, but I've 
interviewed and hired a very large set of developers. That is a 
thankless, and really tricky thing - saying 'no' to many hopeful 
applicants while selecting one is just really hard.


	So from my perspective a big thank-you is due to everyone who did the 
tough job of coming up with a decision here - both staff and board - 
rock on ! =)


	To me it was never entirely clear what you hoped to gain by trying to 
insert tens more people into that process ? Was there some specific 
thing that could be improved in the job spec. Surely that could have 
been included.


	My vague recollection was that Khaled was involved in interviewing 
which if correct would be awesome and anchor the process in a place of 
raw competence :-)


	Getting the right mix of skills into the project to work on a topic 
like this is an extremely tricky job, that needs to be done fairly, 
while keeping lots of information confidential, and needs to be done at 
pace - otherwise people are not on the market by the time you make the 
decision.


	I would suggest that the best approach is to celebrate having someone 
in post again for this role, to welcome Jonathan, to support getting him 
up-to-speed, and to adopt a winsome approach to helping out making his 
life as easy and effective as possible. I would also want to encourage 
all those who were involved in "doing something", and then if absolutely 
necessary frame any constructive suggestions for how to improve hiring 
in the future in a more friendly way.


	For my part - welcome Jonathan ! :-) looking forward to seeing the 
impact you'll make :-)


Regards,

Michael.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] ESC meeting minutes: 2023-06-01

[Michael Meeks]

On 01/06/2023 15:57, Miklos Vajna wrote:

* ESC tender project proposal process (Thorsten & Florian)

...

   + process draft, full text:
     https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/YprpsFP45z7a7p3


	Having spent time reading and providing feedback, when it was solicited 
on this draft, and having collected a number of obvious problems & 
suggested associated improvements - I'm surprised to have had no 
feedback on these:


https://www.mail-archive.com/libreoffice@lists.freedesktop.org/msg37.html

It was proposed as:

+ this is not a fait-a-compli from the board perspective
+ not necessary for the ESC to adopt something that may change
  in a week or two anyway.
+ for the moment - just play by the rules.

	And fair enough to follow even a somewhat flawed process in parallel 
with the next steps for getting a more workable process - ideally before 
this is adopted. What is the bottleneck there? legal time? or something 
else?


Thanks,

Michael.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [libreoffice-accessibility] Re: ESC meeting minutes: 2022-05-26

[Michael Meeks]

Hi there,

On 07/06/2022 10:25, Michael Weghorn wrote:

Thanks, Christophe, that's really helpful.


Completely agree with Christophe =)


For Windows, we currently support IAccessible2, but not UIA.
That's fine for NVDA, but I have heard/read at times that other screen 
readers/AT rely more on UIA. (But I haven't done any further research so 
far.)


	IIRC IBM encouraged Freedom Scientific to implement some support for 
IAcc2 for use with Lotus Symphony in the past - whether that is still 
extant I don't know. And of course NVDA is the future =)


Does anybody know more about this and whether it would actually be 
necessary to implement native UIA support in LO for those AT to properly 
interact with LO?


	My take is no. There should be an MSAA <-> UIA bridge built into 
windows - after all, there are a -lot- of deep legacy things in the 
windows world, and so that should work reasonably well.


	Ultimately - I would suggest that providing good, IAcc2 access (which 
is a sub-classing of the MSAA interfaces) and then we'll provide UIA 
support at some level for anyone using that, and if people want to go 
deeper IAcc2 would be fine.


	I forget whether implementing UIA requires wrestling with managed code 
and/or the CLR - perhaps it used to.


HTH,

Michael.

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[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
 + Caolan, Michael W, Michael M, Michael S, Kendy, Miklos, Eike, Heiko,
   Thorsten, Christian, Kaishu, Gabriel

* Completed Action Items:
+ send out list of papers to conference committee (Sophie)
+ https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/HowTo/MigrateFromHSQLDB
   [ wiki page now has some content – thanks to all involved ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ add an alias configure switch & rename KDE backend (Jan-Marek)
   [ another patch depends on this one, needs tweaking (Michael W)]
+ upgrade Android reqs to NDK19 (Kendy)
   [ patch needs pushing ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.2.6 rc1, next week
+ 6.3.0 rc2
  + branching-off for libreoffice-6-3-0 – due this week
  + planning to tag later today.
  + UI freeze, 1 review needed on libreoffice-6-3 from now on
  + can I push some UI patches
https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/75637/
  + link is highlighted in error (Heiko)
 + focusing something different no issue (Christian)
  + string change / polish (Heiko)
 https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/75632/
 + abandoned it, not too important.
 + good to talk to /ask the translations/l10n (Michael)
   + if they’re happy, push it (Christian)
  + would like in today for rc2
  + there will be a 3rd rc3 as planned.
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online

* Documentation
+ Olivier was missed.

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
241(241) (topicUI) bugs open, 219(219) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month3 months   12 months  
 added  8(-3)19(-10)38(-4)  82(-4) 
 commented 52(1)180(-25)   427(6) 1439(-2) 
   removed  2(2)  2(2)   2(0)   20(2)  
  resolved  0(-2) 5(-3) 24(-3) 130(-3) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Heiko Tietze made 64 changes in 1 month, and 81 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 49 changes in 1 month, and 243 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 35 changes in 1 month, and 273 changes in 1 year
  Timur made 30 changes in 1 month, and 81 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 27 changes in 1 month, and 130 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 25 changes in 1 month, and 230 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 17 changes in 1 month, and 200 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 13 changes in 1 month, and 248 changes in 1 year
  Budea, Áron made 13 changes in 1 month, and 29 changes in 1 year
  New needsUXEval between Jul/11-18

-> * Tabbed UI (Writer): Division/section-per-tab (similar to Lotus 
WordPro) 
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33173  
 + MUFFINi-ze 
https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/2019-July/083144.html 
   * Context menu "open file location" from StartCenter thumbnail views 
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126404  
   * Writer styles: Addressee and Sender group in subgroup Envelope 
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126258  
   * Move Add/Edit/Delete buttons to right side in AutoRedact dialog 
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126431  
   * Rework Add/Edit AutoRedaction subdialogs 
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126432  
   * Add a confirmation for deleting of target in AutoRedaction dialog 
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126433  
   * select shapes with the same style 
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126451 
   => in discussion  
   
   * Sidebar Styles get style Icon support 
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126450  
   * Ctrl-clicking hyperlink does not work in cell/text edit modes 
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121039  
   => new 
   
   * Add opportunity for deleting of not existing file to "file does not
 exist" dialog in the Start Center 
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126423  
   * Revise layout of HTML color palette swatches 
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126403 
   => dup, wfm 
   
-> * LibreOffice components should be single apps on macOS 
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=97946  
 + only a single icon, you don’t get single module icons
 + request to split the install into single modules.
 + only a matter of adding launchers (Christian)
 + provide a template and pull it into your dock easily
 + D installer gets you 1 application
 + 

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Kendy, Xisco, Olivier, Jan-Marek, Heiko, Christian, Michael W,
  Michael M, Michael S, Sophie, Gabriel

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.2.6 rc1, in 2 weeks
+ 6.3.0 rc2 – due soon ...
  + and branching-off there for libreoffice-6-3-0
  + UI freeze, 1 review needed on libreoffice-6-3 from now on
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help (No news)
+ Helpcontent2
   + New page for REDACTION (ohallot)
+ Google Seasons of Doc 2019
   + 27 proposals submitted
   + Triaging them with Sophie
   + deadline is July 23rd
+ Calc Guides
   + Working

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ just back from vacation, lots of work to catch up with.
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
237(237) (topicUI) bugs open, 224(224) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added 11(5) 29(7) 42(10)  86(11) 
 commented 51(17)   205(45)   421(40)1441(47) 
   removed  0(0)  0(0)  2(0)   18(0)  
  resolved  2(1)  8(0) 27(1)  133(1)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Foote, V Stuart made 62 changes in 1 month, and 241 changes in 1 year
  dieterp made 55 changes in 1 month, and 150 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 53 changes in 1 month, and 293 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 40 changes in 1 month, and 248 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 37 changes in 1 month, and 222 changes in 1 year
  Timur made 37 changes in 1 month, and 88 changes in 1 year
  Heiko Tietze made 34 changes in 1 month, and 48 changes in 1 year
  Tietze, Heiko made 15 changes in 1 month, and 477 changes in 1 year
  Telesto made 14 changes in 1 month, and 48 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 11 changes in 1 month, and 196 changes in 1 year
+ New needsUXEval between Jun/27-Jul/11








  Tooltip for new drop-down widget in Formula bar in Calc should be another

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126315
 
  Exhibition of Headings sub levels are allowed

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126325
 
  Tab colors in Calc should show the line version when inactive and full
  version when active to be more intuitive

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125729
 
  PDF shows only two pages of a document with three pages (one page is
  hidden in the odf document)

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126284
 
  Writer styles: Heading subgroup for TOC related stuff

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126257
 
  Writer Character Styles are not intuitive to read

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126277
 
  Double-clicking fill handle should also overwrite down the entire range
  (until empty cells)

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=66890
 
  Enhance autofill to better sense data blocks with empty cells or columns

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126189
 
  Show in Styles sidebar only use specific styles

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126278
 
  In "Tools - Address Book Source" the Button "Address Data Source…"
  should be renamed

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126232
 
  User customization of the styles displayed in Toolbar Paragraph 
  styles combobox droplist

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126196
 
  User customization of the styles displayed in the Sidebar 'Styles' deck

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126204
 
  Copy plus paste special with shift cells updates formulas after cells 
  are shifted

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44383
 
  Handling protected space (U+00a0) at word bounds

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125887
 
  Command and labels for Select to Start of Word, select to End of Word
  need correction

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126166
 
  Maximum header height and maximum footnote height conflict

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126011
 
  => unconfirmed/new








  Writer Character Styles: remove Rubies character style

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126276
 
  => invalid




* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ missing Caolan.
+ 6(+0) import failure, 0(+0) export failures
+ ??? coverity issues
+ Google / ossfuzz: ?? fuzzers active now
* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
  + https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.5.2
+ (-74) 1026 1100 

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Sophie, Kendy, Oliver, Christian, Stephan, Michael S, Michael W
  Michael M, Caolan, Gabriel, Eike, Xisco, Thorsten, Heiko

* Completed Action Items:
+ send Arkadij a welcome mail (Stephan)

* Pending Action Items:

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.2.5 rc2
  + tagged yesterday
  + 2 patches in gerrit that didn’t make it
  + builds on the pre-release server → mirror network later today
+ 6.2.6 rc1 – due end of July
+ 6.3.0 rc1 – next week
  + hard string & UI freeze.
  + from rc1 – 1x review required for fixes libreoffice-6-3
  + for now no review, just fixes.
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help (no news)
   + seems to work correctly.
+ Helpcontent2
   + Housekeeping, de-dup bookmarks (G. Kelemen)
   + Bug fixes and updates (olivier, LibreOfficiant)
+ Google Seasons of Doc
   + Deadline for Tech writer submission is tomorrow (28)
+ Guides 
   + Update Calc Guide
  + more chapters updated
  + Need support on Solver engines (mail to list) (Steve Fanning)
  + would love help from a calc developer.

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
236(236) (topicUI) bugs open, 217(217) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  6(-5) 27(3) 38(4)   81(3)  
 commented 54(-31)   200(36)   441(20)1410(33) 
   removed  0(0)   0(0)  3(0)   18(0)  
  resolved  1(-3)  9(-1)31(-4) 135(0)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Thomas Lendo made 60 changes in 1 month, and 246 changes in 1 year
  Heiko Tietze made 47 changes in 1 month, and 50 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 43 changes in 1 month, and 222 changes in 1 year
  Tietze, Heiko made 42 changes in 1 month, and 522 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 35 changes in 1 month, and 131 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 35 changes in 1 month, and 217 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 22 changes in 1 month, and 117 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 21 changes in 1 month, and 250 changes in 1 year
  Mehrbrodt, Samuel made 19 changes in 1 month, and 87 changes in 1 year
  Telesto made 19 changes in 1 month, and 53 changes in 1 year
 + New needsUXEval between Jun/21-27

   * TABLE AUTOFORMAT: Rename dialog to table styles
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126050 
   * FORMATTING
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126047 
   => WFM

   * CHAPTER NUMBERING DIALOG: Give option to seperate different chapter
 levels with a dash
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125993 
   * [Website] Download page should support non-English users better
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125961 
   * Implement the Sidebar in Math formula editor, with decks for format
 options and Greek and special symbols
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125931 
   * Enhancement: Tables, Pagebreak: "keep with next row" feature
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125972 
   => UNCONFIRMED/in discussion

-> * Show short tooltip before the extended tooltip
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125999 
   * Increasing margin size does not reflect new constraints for header
 values without closing and reopening the Page Style dialog
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126009 
   => NEW

-> * Icon styles should not modify official application icons in start
 center (and other relevant places)
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126074 
   + should we have a strong branding of app-icons ?
   + different views, easy-recognized branded icons or … customizable.
 + no technical basis here (Michael)
   => interesting

+ blog-post published yesterday about easy-hacking:
   + examples on how to create a new dialog:
   + 
https://design.blog.documentfoundation.org/2019/06/26/how-to-create-a-new-dialog/
   + really useful – good work (Michael)


* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ Crash testing:
  + 8(-1) import failure, 3(-186) export failures
  + stable, Michael S fixed an assert in here
  + 2 are crashers in pivot table export
  + writer are exceptions / problems in non-idle layout case
+ Google / ossfuzz:
  + 11 failures, 1 OOM, 10 TimeOut.
+ waiting for coverity
  + builds, but submission still not available.
+ 2x security reports
  + have pushed dates out to 16th July to avoid vacations
+ fuzzit https://fuzzit.dev/ available
  + offering 

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Gabriel, Christian, Stephan, Miklos, Drew, Thorsten, Caolan, Heiko
  Thorsten, Kendy, Michael S, Michael M, Xisco, Eike, Olivier

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.2.5 rc1
  + on the way to the mirrors
+ 6.2.5 rc2
  + tagging next week.
+ 6.3.0 beta2
  + tagging later this evening.
  + no reviews required for fixes still on libreoffice-6-3
  + late features
 + Apple notarization feature for 10.4.15 (Christian)
   + no negative feedback → can drop this item.
 + Zip parallelism (Miklos)
   + last complaints were resolved last week → can drop this.
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online
 + 6.3.0 beta2 up-loaded.

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help (nothing to report)
   + Bug https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125956
  “LibreOffice-6.x Off-Line Help Should NOT Require XDG”
+ Helpcontent2 
+ page maintenance )
+ update in new features (ohallo)
+ GS of Doc
+ Candidates are filling their Tech Writer forms
+ Guides
  + Activities in Calc guides
  + Math Guide revision by Kompilainen

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
236(236) (topicUI) bugs open, 213(213) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added 11(-2)24(7) 34(3)   78(0)  
 commented 85(35)   164(52)   421(-4)1377(4)  
   removed  0(0)  0(-2) 3(-5)  18(-6) 
  resolved  4(2) 10(1) 35(1)  135(2)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 63 changes in 1 month, and 541 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 59 changes in 1 month, and 245 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 44 changes in 1 month, and 227 changes in 1 year
  Roman Kuznetsov made 31 changes in 1 month, and 217 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 29 changes in 1 month, and 121 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 23 changes in 1 month, and 252 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 21 changes in 1 month, and 110 changes in 1 year
  Mehrbrodt, Samuel made 15 changes in 1 month, and 83 changes in 1 year
  Nabet, Julien made 10 changes in 1 month, and 16 changes in 1 year
  Wagner, Thorsten made 8 changes in 1 month, and 8 changes in 1 year
+ New tickets with needsUXEval since Jun/13

   + Implement the Sidebar in Math formula editor, with decks for format
 options and Greek and special symbols
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125931
   + Correct/improve tooltips for tools on Drawing toolbar in Draw
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125939
   + Opening Quoted Quotes Not Properly Rendered
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125946
   + [Website] Download page should support non-English users better
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125961
   + Enhancement: Tables, Pagebreak: "keep with next row" feature
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125972
   + Add button name to extended tooltips
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125999
   => unconfirmed / in discussion 
  ->   + Enhancement request: Backport 6.3 FILESAVE dialog to 6.2
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125908
 + only available in expert config
 + not clear what we do, discussion is ~ongoing
   => not a bug (nab)
   + In Impress - Bullets and Numberings submenu not displayed when right
 clicking on a bullet
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125904
   => fixed
   + Print/Export should close cells first
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125932
   => new

* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ Crash testing:
  + 7(-2) import failure, 5(-184) export failures
  + was a big export failure problem, now resolved, down to small numbers
  + an issue with threaded rendering from Armin
 + may need to re-disable it again.
+ Google / ossfuzz:
  + 8 failures, none critical.
+ waiting for coverity
  + new version is now available
- c++2a not supported
- c++17 supported
  + builds under c++17, analysis site down, so builds, but not analyzed
  + can’t up-load the results to the site yet
  + looking forward to submitting the build, seems faster to build too
+ 2x security reports
  + minor one, Stephan looking at some extensions here
  + and a more serious one.
 + pushing dates out to 16th July to avoid vacations.

* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.5.2
+ (+123) 1236 1113 

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[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Drew, Olivier, Miklos, Sophie, Mike K, Xisco, Michael S, Michael W,
  Michael M, Stephan, Heiko, Caolan, Gabriel, Christian, Miklos,
  Kendy, Luke

* Completed Action Items:
+ make Qt5 backend experimental (Jmux)
   [ not possible to check ‘experimental’ at this place (Michael W) ]
+ commit access
   + communication issue wrt. help (Sophie)
+ run the certification script (Kendy)
   [ run it, didn’t send results out yet but will ~now ]

* Pending Action Items:

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.2.5 rc1 week 24 (June 10-16)
  + next week.
+ 6.3.0 beta2 – 2 weeks out
  + no reviews required for fixes still on libreoffice-6-3
+ 6.3.0 beta1 / libreoffice-6-3 branch / feature freeze:
  + so far no reviews required on each side, but no features either:
  + late features
 + Apple notarization feature for 10.4.15 (Christian)
+ now included.
+ so far no reports about something not working
  but still to early to draw conclusions.
+ If you notice any reports, please ping cloph directly
  on irc/telegram/...
 + Zip parallelism (Lubos)
+ see tdf#113042
- 
https://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/crashtest/a42291d0abd14c6c763962a5ae60b02a8552f641/backtraces/task947-core.20261.backtrace.txt
 related ?
   + Lubos working on the bugs …
   + crash traces now showing file-names (Caolan)
   + problem with streams with bad CRCs
   + used to not care during loading, but saving shows the issue
   + discussed on the dev list – awaiting conclusion
+ pulled out files that cause issues for Lubos (Caolan)
   + these files were artificially generated Forcepoint files
   + doesn’t matter which way we go – ignoring them is fine.
 + Online / Sidebar merge – core + online (Ash)
+ extraordinarily busy ~50+ patches
   + and some problems here, breaking things in gerrit
   + another week until it gets there in core, lets see
   + perhaps punt it.
 + HSQLDB vs. Firebird ? (Caolan)
+ last release punted out decision on removing HSQLDB
+ should we do that / who makes that decision ?
+ would like to see it go but – do we think it will work ?
+ not a good idea to remove HSQLDB in 6.3 (Drew)
   + migration assistant is not capable of moving the
 majority of files it can run across.
   + E-mail on dev. list about this.
   + recommend leave firebird active as in 6.2
   + recommend expose migration assistant as it is today
  + but reasonable set of data-types doesn’t work for
   + needs to be fixed & improving SDBC driver to have parity
 with HSQL – spend time to 6.4 to focus activities to
 encourage migration.
   + prefer to drop this for 6.4 ...
+ what is the state ? (Caolan)
   + firebird is the default in 6.2 (Drew)
   + in 6.3 we get the migration assistant out of the box.
   + suggest on the dialog box saying “want to migrate ?” (Drew)
   + link to a wiki page with a tutorial to help there.
   + tie it into some blog posts – to get some urgency here (Drew)
AI:+ add link to the dialog (Caolan)
+ do we have a migration tracking bug ? (Caolan)
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=116968
 + Bullets/Numbering dialog (Heiko)
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=120905
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125642
+ work ongoing by Gulsah, Mike K., Caolan, Miklos, Andras
  scaling issues here (?) Mike K and Caolan poked it.
   + not totally happy on the workflow, but big improvement.
   + Gulsah plans to still work on it but on vacation (Miklos)
  + lets re-visit next week.
  + good for QA to look (Heiko)
 + makes most senese when known issues are fixed (Miklos)
+ UI only, not frozen yet, not really a late feature
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online
 + branched b1 release coming soon.

* Safari issue with sandboxing (Christian)
+ as a sandboxed app Safari can’t access files in LibreOffice distro
+ user can’t click links and load our built-in help anymore.
+ affects existing LibreOffice released versions
+ should we ship a built-in webkit widget (?)
   + horrible that the web is not this cross-platform thing (Michael)
   + use the browser of the system, build our own help viewer again (Cloph)
+ can sandbox’d safari access localhost ports ? (Michael Stahl)
   + could have 

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[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Sophie, Heiko, Caolan, Eike, Stephan, Olivier, Xisco, Michael S,
  Armin, Michael W, Cloph, Miklos, Thorsten, Michael M

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
+ run the certification script (Kendy)
+ make Qt5 backend experimental (Jmux)
+ commit access
   + GSOC mentors ask students (all)
   + communication issue wrt. Help (Sophie)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.2.4 rc2 status 
  released as final this week.
+ 6.2.5 rc1 week 24 (June 10-16)
+ 6.3 alpha1: status
  + feature freeze: next week.
+ 6.3.0 beta1 / libreoffice-6-3 branch / feature freeze: next week
  + late features
 + Apple notarization feature for 10.4.15 (Christian)
+ basic framework is running, but missing gathering
of entitlements for features eg. integrate with AppleScript
 + Zip parallelism (Lubos)
+ should give a nice win for big ODS file saving
+ see tdf#113042
 + Online / Sidebar merge – core + online (Ash)
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
+ enhancements for A11y (buovjaga)
+ Helpcontents2
+ page house keeping (ohallot, LibreOfficiant)
+ Google seasons of Doc
+ Applicants to supply a work plan 
+ ~20 contacts, 3 responses.
+ hopefully more by end of the month
+ Guides
+ Calc Guide under work by doc team.

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
251(251) (topicUI) bugs open, 213(213) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  5(3) 19(-2)37(0)   83(1)  
 commented 61(-7)   241(10)   569(24)1463(35) 
   removed  3(2)  5(2) 16(1)   26(1)  
  resolved  5(4) 11(1) 44(0)  134(3)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 105 changes in 1 month, and 617 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 53 changes in 1 month, and 222 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 48 changes in 1 month, and 223 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 42 changes in 1 month, and 135 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 33 changes in 1 month, and 210 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 27 changes in 1 month, and 234 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 25 changes in 1 month, and 270 changes in 1 year
  dieterp made 13 changes in 1 month, and 128 changes in 1 year
  Mehrbrodt, Samuel made 8 changes in 1 month, and 68 changes in 1 year

+ New needsUXEval between May/16-23

  * For (mail manage wizard) in (Tools) and in the step (Select Address
List) in case where the choice board is empty  and  are activated
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125330 
  * Add a link to FAQ to "JRE missing" message box
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125379 
  * Writer – Aspect Ratio Incorrect When Making Image Fit Paragraph Width
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124888 
  * LibreOffice Theme dialog
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125448 
  => in discussion, unconfirmed, needinfo

  * Tip of the Day dialog has different default controls for tips with and
without links, making different behaviour for simply pressing Enter
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125379 
  * The tabs of the layer tabbar are much too wide in Draw without the
protect icon
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125403 
  * Implement different border colors depending on the LibreOffice app
launched on Windows
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125443 
  * Add Ctr+D and Ctrl+B to populate content from adjacent cells
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125417 
  * Bad layout in "Save As" dialog
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125453 
  * Elements pane: Items not reachable without mouse
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=65587 
  => new

->* The updater has never worked for me (on Linux) and manual
updating is extremely cumbersome
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125451
+ assume this is never seen in distro builds (Michael)
+ always only had the check-for-updates (Christian)
   + are they talking about this feature ?
   + or the un-released experimental incremental update from Markus
   + that’s not on Linux (Heiko)
+ works on Linux – only for daily builds (Xisco)
+ won’t get rid of update is available thing (Christian)
   + can improve the UI of course but … it stays.
  => 

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[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Heiko, Xisco, Kendy, Caolan, Michael S, Gabriel, Eike, Drew,
  Stephan, Cloph, Sophie, Miklos, Armin, Michael M, Olivier, Thorsten,
  Jan-Marek

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
+ run the certification script (Kendy)
+ commit access
   + GSOC mentors ask students (all)
   + communication issue wrt. Help (Sophie)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.3 alpha1: tagged, builds uploaded, except Win32 (had to redo the build)
  + feature freeze: week after the next week
  + please announce late features next week, if there will be any
+ 6.2.4 rc2 – tag planned for today
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help (No news)
+ Helpontent2 
 + XML Fixes, typos (fitoshido, A Gelmini, ohallot)
 + fix contents (bubli)
 + review of l10n issues (A. Timar)
+ Goggle Seasons of Doc
 + 16 Tech Writer candidates, 
 + mostly students
 + Evaluating their tech Writer skills.
+ Guides
 + On going Calc update

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
252(252) (topicUI) bugs open, 211(211) (needsUXEval)
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  2(-4)21(-2)37(1)   82(1)  
 commented 68(13)   231(14)   545(30)1428(21) 
   removed  1(1)  3(-2)15(1)   25(1)  
  resolved  1(-3)10(-1)44(-2) 131(1)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 104 changes in 1 month, and 600 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 48 changes in 1 month, and 219 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 43 changes in 1 month, and 205 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 42 changes in 1 month, and 134 changes in 1 year
  Roman Kuznetsov made 30 changes in 1 month, and 198 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 30 changes in 1 month, and 262 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 29 changes in 1 month, and 237 changes in 1 year
  Brinzing, Oliver made 15 changes in 1 month, and 29 changes in 1 year
  Mehrbrodt, Samuel made 9 changes in 1 month, and 66 changes in 1 year

+ New needsUXEval between May/09-16

  * hyperlink choice should be remembered
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125246 
  * Wrong toolbar colors on Windows classic theme
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124851
  * duplicate assignment of accelerators on a single menu disrupts keyboard
use, eliminate duplicate accelerators
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125227 
  * Footer can not be made to appear only on the first page after it has
been filled with content
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125280 
  => DUP, WF, NAB

  * change default grid size to 25x25 mm = 1x1 zoll
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125275 
  * UX: The Find bar should search in “Current selection only” if a cell
range is selected
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125282 
  => in discussion

  * horizontal separator between notebookbar and main view
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124667 
  => NEW

  ->  * Replace Mozilla themes with a proprietary tool reusing the existing
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125217 
  * Rename tabbed layout to notebookbar
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125009 
  * Provide an option to hide the animation effect
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124477 
  * Insert image not in a new paragraph but in the current position or as
character
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45778 
  * Missing color name(s) in Conditional formatting dialog, hard coded color
values not present on standard.soc
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125289 
  * wrong Bar color name in the Data bar dialog (#FF instead of Blue)
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125288 
  * Replace hard-coded chevron by themable icon
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125296 
  => easyhack

  ->  * Option to turn off autocomplete text in quick find
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124774 
  => needsDevAdvice

+ patch to show a What’s New infobar pointing to the releasenotes
  + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/72218/ (review pending)

  => please carefully update the release notes

 + what version do we include in there ? (Christian)
 + majors so 6.1 or 6.2
 + why not just chat to Christian (Michael)
 + keep it as it is ? (Heiko)
 + use what 

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[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Miklos, Sophie, Olivier, Stephan, Christian, Michael S, Michael W,
  Michael M, Xisco, Gabriel, Caolan, Eike, Heiko, Kendy, Thorsten

* Completed Action Items:
+ send out GSOC welcome mails on Monday & next steps (org admins)
+ poke NISZ to see who would want to attend (Michael)
+ enable gtk3_kde5 for x86_64 distro config (Christian)
[ enabled it for the 6.2.4 rc1 builds
  was missing a sanity check – now fixed in both branches ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ run the certification script (Kendy)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.1.6 rc3
   + released on Tuesday
+ 6.2.4 rc1 – status
   + rc1 on mirrors.
   + rc2 – tagged next week
+ 6.3 alpha1: due this week – perhaps evening
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online
   + 6.1.6 source released.

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help (no news)
+ Helpcontent2 (no news)
+ Google Seasons of Doc
   + Contacting possible mentors
   + TDF will have only 1 project
  + at best 2 projects but 2nd not garanteed
   + Need to select the 1st project
  + LOOL Guide ?
  + Calc Guide ?
   + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/GSoDOC/2019
  
+ Guides (non GSDOC)
   + New community members joining for Calc revision

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
251(251) (topicUI) bugs open, 212(212) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  6(-5) 23(2) 36(1)   81(1)  
 commented 55(-20)   217(1)515(26)1407(10) 
   removed  0(-2)  5(-1)14(0)   24(0)  
  resolved  4(2)  11(0) 46(0)  130(-1) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 106 changes in 1 month, and 590 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 65 changes in 1 month, and 224 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 52 changes in 1 month, and 214 changes in 1 year
  Roman Kuznetsov made 35 changes in 1 month, and 195 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 33 changes in 1 month, and 237 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 31 changes in 1 month, and 260 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 29 changes in 1 month, and 121 changes in 1 year
  Brinzing, Oliver made 15 changes in 1 month, and 29 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 12 changes in 1 month, and 126 changes in 1 year
  Monastirsky, Maxim made 10 changes in 1 month, and 36 changes in 1 
year

+ New needsUXEval between May/02-09

  * shift-click for absolute reference when entering formulas
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125118 
  * New print dialog: Page Format is always A4
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123076 
 ->   * Insert image not in a new paragraph but in the current position or 
as character
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45778 
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87720 
   + change the default from “to paragraph” to “as character”; 
 ask the community about preferences and introduce option in case of 
 a split
=> needinfo, in discussion
   + sounds like a good move (Miklos, Caolan)
   + match the similar default in Word.

  * Customizations made to Writer are not present in Master Document view
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=67014 
  => WF

  * UI: Show 'Go to first/last page' in new print dialog
  ->+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125130 
  => easyHack, needsDevEval

* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ Google / ossfuzz:
  + 7 (+0,-0) issues  
+ Crash testing:
  + 82(+72) import failure, 54(+44) export failures
  + big jump this week – single set of assets from starmath
 + backed out since lets see …
  + other crashers – some fixes in gerrit.
  + one writer crash – not reproducing even on test machine
outside of the run.
  + don’t expect to get back to zero for a couple of iterations.
+ CNA bits – got 1st batch of CVE numbers.
  + CVE-2019-9847 public – hyperlink bits
  + MITRE pushback on description, resubmitted
+ need to duplicate versions in the text.
+ ForcePoint #9 Completed
  + recontacted them, launched fuzzing again vs. master
+ waiting
  + coverity scan – until new version that supports c++17(?)

* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.4.2
+ 895 (+3)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.5.2
+ 1294 (-30)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.6.3
+ 68 (-)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.2.2.2
+ 1832 (-88)
  + 

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[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
  + Sophie, Thorsten, Olivier, Christian, Michael W, Eduard A, Caolan,
Michael M, Michael S, Xisco, Heiko, Eike

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
+ run the certification script (Kendy)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.1.6 rc2 – status
+ tagged, but bug found by fuzzing, so will be an rc3
+ 6.2.4 rc1 – this week starting April 29th
+ 6.3 alpha1: next week
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
 + Added “copy-to-clip” for BASIC and Python code (ohallot)
 + fixes in Javascript (buovjaga)
+ HelpContent2
 + New pages for Calc functions (ohallot)
 + Add release info on Calc functions (ohallot, M Kaganski)
 + refactoring of some Help pages (buovjaga)
 + More pages on Python (libreofficiant, ohallot)
+ Google seasons of Doc
 + TDF accepted as mentor org – Yay!
 + Please forward your name for mentoring !
 + spike in interest too.
+ Books
 + New interested Authors/revisors

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
252(252) (topicUI) bugs open, 209(209) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added 11(0) 21(1) 35(1)   80(2)  
 commented 75(4)216(-1)   489(-4)1397(7)  
   removed  2(2)  6(1) 14(1)   24(2)  
  resolved  2(-1)11(0) 46(-4) 131(-1) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 93 changes in 1 month, and 577 changes in 1 year
  Roman Kuznetsov made 64 changes in 1 month, and 191 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 62 changes in 1 month, and 216 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 48 changes in 1 month, and 211 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 30 changes in 1 month, and 251 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 29 changes in 1 month, and 125 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 16 changes in 1 month, and 218 changes in 1 year
  Brinzing, Oliver made 15 changes in 1 month, and 29 changes in 1 year
  Rasmus Jonsson made 8 changes in 1 month, and 10 changes in 1 year

* New needsUXEval between Apr/25-May/02

  + Feature request: A similar approach of Dark mode like in MS Office which
do not override any document color & picture.
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124969 
  + The descriptions of Safe Mode options are misleading
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=120269 
   -> + Rename tabbed layout to notebookbar
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125009 
   -> + Replace single toolbar with contextual single
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125040 

   -> + Cell Formatting for URL websites, or other URI schemes
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124994
   -> + Custom page size missing from print dialog
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=78916 
   -> + Insert > Data Labels opens wrong dialog for all data series 
(as opposed to individual data series)
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124995 
  => needsDevAdvice

  + uno:Hyphenate toggle in calc, draw, impress but not in writer menubar
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125032 
  => Easyhack

  + looking at recent files list we should see the path info
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125076
  + Default shape name should refer to kind of shape instead of just Shape
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124989 
  => DUP/NAB

* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ Google / ossfuzz:
  + 7 (-5,-0) issues
  + found a new issue that was back-ported to 6.1 - can fix before it got 
out.
+ Crash testing:
  + 10(+4) import failure, 10(-12) export failures
  + new pivot-table issue, some bits from Noel's optimization
+ CNA bits – got 1st batch of CVE numbers.
  + CVE-2019-9847 assigned
+ ForcePoint #9 Completed
  + recontacted them, launched fuzzing again vs. master
+ waiting
  + coverity scan – until new version that supports c++17(?)

* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.4.2
+ 992 (+114)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.5.2
+ 1264 (+161)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.2.2.2
+ 1920 (-93)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.2.3.2
+ 1503 (+634)

  + No symbols for win 6.2.3.2 updated → https://paste.ee/p/wJqrW
+ talked with Moggi who was on vacation
+ checked - symbols for latest version were not updated.
+ could swear I didup-load (Christian)
+ if not there, symbols 

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[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
  + Olivier, Christian, Eike, Kendy, Thorsten, Heiko, Xisco, Caolan,
Michael S, Michael M, Michael W, Stephan

* Completed Action Items:
+ mentors to check through the list here (All)
+ https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/
+ drop ESC advice on alien formats into relevant bug ticket (Heiko)
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=115291#c15 

* Pending Action Items:
+ run the certification script (Kendy)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.2.4 rc1 – next week starting April 29th
+ 6.1.6 rc2
   + tagged before the call – builds triggered
+ 6.3 alpha1: early May, week 19
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
+ fixes in build (sberg, himanjin1)
+ Fixes in search (buovjaga)
+ Helpcontent2
+ fixes (ohallot)
+ updates in function names (kompilainen)
+ Google Seasons of DOC
+ Awaiting April 30th for response
+ Guides:
+ Stalled. Will interact with GSoD

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
251(251) (topicUI) bugs open, 211(211) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added 11(7) 20(10)34(9)   78(11) 
 commented 71(30)   217(34)   493(35)1390(66) 
   removed  0(-3) 5(-1)13(0)   22(-1) 
  resolved  3(1) 11(-4)50(-5) 132(2)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 89 changes in 1 month, and 568 changes in 1 year
  Roman Kuznetsov made 70 changes in 1 month, and 188 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 63 changes in 1 month, and 208 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 36 changes in 1 month, and 201 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 33 changes in 1 month, and 149 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 33 changes in 1 month, and 254 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 24 changes in 1 month, and 223 changes in 1 year
  Brinzing, Oliver made 20 changes in 1 month, and 26 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 15 changes in 1 month, and 113 changes in 1 year
  Mehrbrodt, Samuel made 10 changes in 1 month, and 67 changes in 1 year

   + New needsUXEval between Apr/18-25

  * Context toolbar make jumping ui
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124835 
  * Formatting: Formula result has different alignment than regular values
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124860 
  * close button on menubar didn't use the color of the menubar
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124928 
  * Save icon breaks icon customization
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=98193  
  => in discussion

  * Help->About LibreOffice dialog does not specify whether 32 or 64 bit 
is installed
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124936
+ proposal is to add 32bits when its not 64.
  * UI: the wording around tools - options - LibreOffice Calc - Formula -
Recalculation on File Load is questionable
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124784 
  => new/easyhack
+ currently option is Never
   + it is dangerous currently (Heiko)
 + might need an update.
 + can re-calculate alien formats
   + Is there a good reason to break calcs ? (Michael)
   + no way to detect if you need re-calculation (Eike)
 + would be there always for Alien formats.
   + sometimes we have to calculate this (Eike)
 + can have some other wording, but …
+ suggestion is two-fold (Heiko)
   + not having a blocking dialog
 → info-bar is not controversial (Michael)
   + ask the user or not.
 → asking the user is controversial (Michael, Eike)
+ problem can be with files stored in an older version (Eike)
   + these can need re-calculating from an old version.
   + if we add a bug & then save it – things break (Kendy)
   + perhaps safest always recalculate – but poor performance (Eike)
  + could depend on the version – before 6.2.3 
eg. but not a friend of that.
   + new, older + alien format options ? (Heiko)
  + not clear to the user why he should choose any of them (Eike)
   + should do something familiar (Michael)

  * Option to turn off autocomplete text in quick find
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124774 
  => wfm

* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ Google / ossfuzz:
  + 12 (+2,-0) issues
  + fix in gerrit.
+ Crash testing:
  + 6(-2) import failure, 22(+18) export failures
- export failures are really 

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[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
  + Eike, Miklos, Xisco, Michael S, Heiko, Gabriel, Christian, Michael W,
Michael M, Caolan, Stephan, Olivier

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
+ mentors to check through the list here (All)
+ https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.2.3 – announced as final today.
+ 6.2.4 rc1 – week after next starts April 29th
+ 6.1.6 rc2
  + to be tagged next week – last one of 6.1.x
+ 6.3 alpha1: early May, week 19
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
   + Maven repo is now updated for Java SDK
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
   + Fixes (sberg)
+ Help content2
   + New pages for Python (libreofficiant)
   + Housekeeping (ohallot)
   + reviewing some clunky patches in gerrit (ohallot)
+ Google Season of Doc
   + please add your ideas in the wiki (‘til 4/22/2019)
 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/GSoDOC/2019
+ Guides
+ slow improvements on Calc guide update
+ “Tip of the day” as GSDoc ? (Heiko)
+ add some mentor to the page for that (Olivier)

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
250(250) (topicUI) bugs open, 207(207) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month3 months   12 months  
 added 11(6)  17(5)  32(4)   74(3)  
 commented 46(-20)   192(-19)   481(-1)1351(19) 
   removed  3(3)   6(0)  13(2)   23(2)  
  resolved  3(2)  16(-5) 56(-3) 131(1)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 67 changes in 1 month, and 539 changes in 1 year
  Roman Kuznetsov made 65 changes in 1 month, and 179 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 47 changes in 1 month, and 259 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 36 changes in 1 month, and 147 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 36 changes in 1 month, and 181 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 22 changes in 1 month, and 187 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 20 changes in 1 month, and 220 changes in 1 year
  Mehrbrodt, Samuel made 15 changes in 1 month, and 67 changes in 1 year
  Rasmus Jonsson made 10 changes in 1 month, and 10 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 9 changes in 1 month, and 105 changes in 1 year
+ New needsUXEval between Apr/11-18

  * menubar show icon in an separte column next to text
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124789
  * UI: the wording around tools - options - LibreOffice Calc - Formula -
Recalculation on File Load is questionable
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124784 
  * Paste structured text without format but with styles
 -> + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124764 
  * Option required to show low resolution preview instead of full
resolution for smooth navigation of documents with high resolution
linked images
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=117754 
  * Unable to use keyboard to activate the header/footer frame menu button
pop up menu from header/footer edit window
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124113 
  * PARAGRAPH BORDER: Modification border always adds a new border
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124748 
  => unconfirmed/in discussion

  * Update to version 6.2 broke personalisation (theme)
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123911 
  => dup

  * Hyperlinks' fonts keep changing when saved/exported as PDF
  ->+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123777 
  => new/bug

 needsDevAdvice
  * List incompatible features when saving to alien formats in detail
  ->+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=115291 
+ prototype for solution in c5; feasability unclear
+ trad. answer is – better to fix the interop problems (Michael)
+ 15 highlighting colors doens’t go to MSO (Heiko)
+ why do we have so many ? (Michael)
+ its lots of work scanning the doc to find problems (Michael)
+ two sides – better to spend energy supporting (Miklos)
+ on other side – the CSV filter “only current sheet”
+ some merit to this.
+ in the past did have some scanner code to detect
+ this was removed.
+ remember the filter collection / warning (Caolan)
+ back in the day – more effort to detect missing than impl. It
+ perhaps for big features works, but micro-level tricky.
+ PDF export has something like this too.
AI: + drop chunk into the bug & send to QA (Heiko)

* Crash Testing 

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[Michael Meeks]

From last Thursday - somehow I forgot to post; thanks to
buovjaga for the reminder:

* Present:
+ Olivier H, Christian, Xisco, Michael S, Kendy, Miklos, Sophie,
  Heiko, Caolan, Michael W, Stephan, Gabriel, Michael M, Eike

* Completed Action Items:
+ add monitoring for build bot daily failure rates (Christian)
  [ have a script that creates number of consecutive failures,
needs to be hooked up to alerts ]

* Pending Action Items:

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.2.3 rc2 – status
   + tagged and built; being up-loaded to pre-releases then mirrors
+ 6.1.6 rc1 - status
   + tagging later today – final release for 6.1.x line
+ 6.3 alpha1: early May
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
   + Maven repo is published up to 6.0.4 – rest later today (Christian)
+ Online:
   + 6.2.3 release up-loaded.

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
 + Reverted proposed patch for makefile (ohallot)
+ Helpcontent2
 + page for ‘–convert-to’ filters names (buovjaga, ohallot)
 + Pages for handling events in Python (libreofficiant)
 + Fixes in pages (ohallot)
+ GSoDOC
 + Compiling projects
+ Guides
 + On going Calc Guide

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
248(248) (topicUI) bugs open, 206(206) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  5(0) 12(-2)27(-4)  70(-8) 
 commented 78(31)   203(28)   482(-15)   1326(-58)
   removed  1(0)  6(0) 11(1)   21(1)  
  resolved  2(-2)21(0) 60(0)  130(-3) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 75 changes in 1 month, and 539 changes in 1 year
  Roman Kuznetsov made 60 changes in 1 month, and 171 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 33 changes in 1 month, and 241 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 30 changes in 1 month, and 175 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 28 changes in 1 month, and 136 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 26 changes in 1 month, and 233 changes in 1 year
  Jim Raykowski made 19 changes in 1 month, and 37 changes in 1 year
  Mehrbrodt, Samuel made 15 changes in 1 month, and 64 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 14 changes in 1 month, and 175 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 13 changes in 1 month, and 107 changes in 1 year

   New needsUXEval between Apr/04-Apr/11

   * why toggle function DrawText, HyperlinkDialog and Horizontal Line
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124673 
   * remove formular toolbar from writer -> view -> toolbars
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124642 
   * tabs in calc (for sheets) and draw (for layer) style
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124572 
   => in discussion

   * 7x
   => resolved dup, wfm, nab, wf

   * OPTION DIALOG: Add option to show page margins
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124510 
   * jumping ui in calc (pastespecial drop down menu with/without arrow)
  -> + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124561 
   => new

   * writer>menubar>Edit> .uno:ShadowCursor isn't related to select subgroup
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124665 
   * HideWhiteSpace should be positive Show Whitespace
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124686 
   * Menubar: Show icons for the most important items
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124649 
   * Add a spellout outline numbering style
  -> + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124608 
   * Easier use of CSV in Wizards->Address Data Source
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113753 
   * FORMATTING: paragraph alignment options position is unintuitive
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=65473 
   * UX: Handling of empty textboxes
  -> + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=107825 
   => accepted, easyhack

   * Fix accessibility warnings in .ui files
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=119931 
   * Print dialog: margin and distance input are mixed up
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124567 
   => fixed, work in progress

   + always a good idea to test the defaults (Michael)
 + same used for file I/O & UI (Miklos)
+ test this with documents.

* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ Google / ossfuzz:
  - 10 (+20,-21) issues
+ dynamic calc col change seems to cause these
  + back to where we started.
+ Crash testing:
  + 27(+21) import failure, 6(+5) export failures
 + jump 

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[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Stephan, Caolan, Christian, Michael M, Gabriel, Eduard A, Miklos,
  Heiko, Kendy, Xisco, Sophie, Olivier, Michael S, Eike, Sophie,
  Thorsten, Olivier, Michael W

* Completed Action Items:
+ take a look at symbol / crashtest bits (Markus, Christian)
  [ server ran out of disk-space so couldn’t process them → now fixed ]
+ get Laurent Alonso commit access (Miklos)
+ talk to Tor / Nicolas if avoiding UNCONFIRMED for iOS makes sense (Miklos)
  [ seems like it is sorted ]
+ looking for mentor for idea “Calc Functions Sidebar” (Heiko)
  + 
https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/2019-March/082315.html
  [ too late ]
+ review/update GSOC ideas page! (Mentors)
  + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GSoC/Ideas
  [ also expired ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ add monitoring for build bot daily failure rates (Christian)
[ done manually for now – should be done next week ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ no release this week.
+ 6.2.3 rc1 available on mirrors
+ 6.2.3 rc2 – available next week.
+ 6.1.6 rc1: April 9 next week
   + tagging Thur after 6.2.3
+ 6.3 alpha1: early May
+ Remotes → no updates
+ Android viewer
   + Maven repo is published up to 6.0.4 – rest later today (Christian)
+ Online:

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
   + Replacement icons now in gbuild (ohallot, buovjaga)
   + have a donation button in the help too now.
+ Help contents 2
   + Housekeeping and maintenance (ohallot, libreofficiant, A.Gelmini)
+ Google season of Code / Docs
   + registered TDF as organization (ohallot)
   + working on projects (ohallot djredaux)
   + would love suggestions for simple projects so 
 we can find tech. writers
   + “Easy-doc”.
   + not for students but for technical writers.
   + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/GSoDOC/2019
+ Guides 
   + more updated on Calc Guide (J. Weber)  

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
243(243) (topicUI) bugs open, 225(225) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  5(0) 14(0) 31(1)   78(-1) 
 commented 47(-7)   175(9)497(55)1384(8)  
   removed  1(1)  6(1) 10(1)   20(0)  
  resolved  4(-4)21(-3)60(1)  133(1)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 70 changes in 1 month, and 567 changes in 1 year
  dieterp made 39 changes in 1 month, and 157 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 32 changes in 1 month, and 217 changes in 1 year
  Roman Kuznetsov made 31 changes in 1 month, and 144 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 29 changes in 1 month, and 241 changes in 1 year
  Mehrbrodt, Samuel made 25 changes in 1 month, and 80 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 10 changes in 1 month, and 108 changes in 1 year
  Jim Raykowski made 9 changes in 1 month, and 27 changes in 1 year
  和尚蟹 made 9 changes in 1 month, and 17 changes in 1 year
  Alexander Farrow made 8 changes in 1 month, and 8 changes in 1 year
  New needsUXEval between Mar/28-Apr/04

* Sidebar Separator lines
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124376
* calc menubar: SheetCommentMenu should be in EditMenu instead of
  SheetMenu
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124523
* LO request to enhancement: make the '?' sign workable in Help -> About
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124541
=> in discussion

* Tabbed: Missing Some Required Functions from Previous Pop Up Toolbar
  in Tabbed interface
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122751
* FRAME-DIALOG: Add an apply button
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124278
   ->   * 'Pick a Color' dialog: Give option to add a color to the custom
  palette
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124418
   ->   * Change case -> Sentence case doesn't honor selection; case of entire
  sentence changes
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49033
* Redundant undo/redo items in grouped compact bar
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124392
=> accepted/forwarded

   ->   * Change bullet styles names in Style section of Sidebar in Writer
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124471
=> fixed today.

* toggeling settings - e.g. threaded calculations - need restart, UI
  unclear about this
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124323
* Unable to use keyboard navigation to 

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[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Caolan, Miklos, Michael M, Michael W, Heiko, Kendy, Christian,
  Olivier, Xisco

* Completed Action Items:
+ commit access for Grzegorz Araminowicz (Miklos)
+ next time we see write_tests5 fail - chop out that sub-test (Miklos)
  [ keeping an eye on it ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ talk to Tor / Nicolas if avoiding UNCONFIRMED for iOS makes sense (Miklos)
  [ number to zero – so perhaps solved ? ]
+ add monitoring for build bot daily failure rates (Christian)
  [ not applied yet, but monitoring jenkins build slaves due to
connectivity issues at Manitu ]
+ review/update GSOC ideas page! (Mentors)
  + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GSoC/Ideas
+ looking for mentor for idea “Calc Functions Sidebar” (Heiko)
  + 
https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/2019-March/082315.html
  + mentors much appreciated.

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.2.3 rc1 → tagging this evening.
+ 6.1.6 rc1: April 9 week after next.
+ 6.3 alpha1: early May
+ Remotes → no updates
+ Android viewer
   + Maven repo is being updated (Christian)
+ Online:

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
+ Fixes support for IE11 (buovjaga, himajin10)
+ Added module name to Contents links (ohallot)
+ housekeeping (A. Gelmini)
+ Helpcontent2
+ No news
+ Guides
+ more chapters reviewed for Calc Guide
+ Ch 7 (ohallot)
+ Ch 2 (D. Barton)
+ Ch 6 (Jean Weber)
+ Need a new chapter for Calc Statistics
+ anyone interested?

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
246(246) (topicUI) bugs open, 226(226) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  5(1) 14(0) 30(3)   79(1)  
 commented 54(-3)   166(-9)   442(20)1376(-7) 
   removed  0(-1) 5(-1) 9(1)   20(0)  
  resolved  8(0) 24(5) 59(8)  132(4)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 73 changes in 1 month, and 558 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 36 changes in 1 month, and 254 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 26 changes in 1 month, and 145 changes in 1 year
  Roman Kuznetsov made 25 changes in 1 month, and 133 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 23 changes in 1 month, and 206 changes in 1 year
  Mehrbrodt, Samuel made 20 changes in 1 month, and 73 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 13 changes in 1 month, and 250 changes in 1 year
  Jim Raykowski made 12 changes in 1 month, and 30 changes in 1 year
  和尚蟹 made 9 changes in 1 month, and 21 changes in 1 year
  Alexander Farrow made 8 changes in 1 month, and 8 changes in 1 year

+ New needsUXEval between Mar/20-28

   * Sidebar Separator lines
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124376
 => in discussion

   * Tabbed: Missing Some Required Functions from Previous Pop Up Toolbar 
 in Tabbed interface
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122751
   * FRAME-DIALOG: Add an apply button
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124278
 => accepted/forwarded

   * toggling settings - e.g. threaded calculations - need restart, 
 UI unclear about this
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124323
   * Unable to use keyboard navigation to access Brochure radio button 
 in Print dialog
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124249
 => WFM, NAB

* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ 2(+0) import failure, 0(-2) export failures
  + suspect export failures are transient / intermittent.
+ coverity suspended – until it supports c++17
+ Google / ossfuzz:
  - 12 (+0) issues, 9 timeouts, 1 OOM
  + build got broken there, fixed now again
  + some deep stack issue.
+ ForcePoint, round 9
  + ?? a few minor issues lingering
+ CNA bits – got 1st batch of CVE numbers.

* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.4.2
+ 837 (+46)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.5.2
+ 875 634 (+241)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.2.0.3
+ 1295 (+59)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.2.1.2
+ 1227 (+79)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.2.2.2
+ 724 (-)
  + looks good for latest version, still have a symbol issue
  + not a generic issue with all reports (Christian)
+ just a display issue – all on the same category
+ all current versions should be handled correctly.
+ when searching for crash reports in libmerged: plenty have
  symbols resolved.
+ problem is 6.2.2.2 (Michael)

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[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Caolan, Olivier, Heiko, Michael M, Kendy, Michael W,
  Miklos, Christian, Eike, Xisco, Sophie,

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
+ add monitoring for build bot daily failure rates (Christian)
  [ not applied yet, but monitoring jenkins build slaves due to
connectivity issues at Manitu ]
+ review/update GSOC ideas page! (Mentors)
  + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GSoC/Ideas

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.2.2 rc2
   + this week – will tag today/tomorrow
+ 6.1.6 rc1: April 9
+ 6.3 alpha1: early May
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
   + Mavern repo is not up-to-date, working on it.
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
   + Improvements in donation button for online Help (buovjaga)

+ Help Contents 2
   + Updates in pages, fixes (ohallot, S. Goyal, LibreOfficiant)

+ Guides
   + New volunteers arriving

+ Google Summer of Documentation
   + looking into how to participate  

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
251(251) (topicUI) bugs open, 236(236) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  4(2) 13(1) 27(-2)  85(-2) 
 commented 45(22)   155(28)   415(14)1407(-1) 
   removed  2(2)  5(2)  9(2)   19(2)  
  resolved  4(-2)16(0) 49(2)  128(1)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 103 changes in 1 month, and 602 changes in 1 year
  Mehrbrodt, Samuel made 42 changes in 1 month, and 81 changes in 1 year
  dieterp made 36 changes in 1 month, and 153 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 26 changes in 1 month, and 202 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 17 changes in 1 month, and 299 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 15 changes in 1 month, and 250 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 12 changes in 1 month, and 119 changes in 1 year
  Brinzing, Oliver made 9 changes in 1 month, and 15 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 9 changes in 1 month, and 87 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 7 changes in 1 month, and 155 changes in 1 year
+ New needsUXEval between Mar/06-14
  * highlights to copy blocks will not go disappear after operation is done
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123799
  * Paste into a protected Calc sheet should not paste the cell 
Protected status
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123974
  * alt key should open and highlight menubar
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124048
  * Maybe place focus on header/footer frame menu button when 
header/footer is empty
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124041
  => in discussion

  * Code insertion in LibreOffice Writer
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124070
  => WF

  * Allow user-defined ordering of user-defined document properties
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123918
  => NEW

+ New easyhacks
  * UI: lock toolbar by default
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92484
  * Allow user-defined ordering of user-defined document properties
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123918
   
* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ 1(-6) import failure, 1(-1) export failures
  + apparently all redlining issues are sorted out
  + close to the noise area again
+ coverity suspended
  - back but we now need c++17
+ Google / ossfuzz:
  - 12 (+1) issues, 9 timeouts, 1 OOM, 1 Build Failure
  + need to find time to look at these
  + some deep stack issue.
+ ForcePoint, round 9
+ a few minor issues lingering
+ CNA process
+ positive progress.

* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.4.2
+ 912 (-283)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.5.2
+ 656 (-63)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.2.0.3
+ 1498 (-1034)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.2.1.2
+ 1073 (-)
  + numbers looking good – but have a problem where we get dynamic libs
instead of crash signatures.
 + not informative: ‘libmergedlo.dll’ is all we get.
 + unclear what happens there.

* Hackfests & Events
   + this year hackfests coming up:
+ Tirana perhaps (Xisco)
  + April 25th/28th → overlaps Orthodox Easter
 => so will not be these days.
  + May 4th / 5th  → conflict with German meetings
  + https://forum.openlabs.cc/t/libreoffice-hackfest-tirana-2019/1658
  + poke Bjoern / Eike / Xisco to chase / decide…
 + date is still not 

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[Michael Meeks]

o:   0 fail ratio:  0.00 % break:   0 
broken duration: 0.00%
master gerrit lin jobs: 541 ok: 388 ko:  28 fail ratio:  5.18% time for ok: 
mean:  21 median:  19
master gerrit plg jobs: 557 ok: 329 ko: 109 fail ratio: 19.57% time for ok: 
mean:  43 median:  39
master gerrit win jobs: 584 ok: 322 ko: 109 fail ratio: 18.66% time for ok: 
mean:  67 median:  67
master gerrit mac jobs: 568 ok: 376 ko:  80 fail ratio: 14.08% time for ok: 
mean:  42 median:  28
master gerrit all jobs: 502 ok: 237 ko: 192 fail ratio: 38.25% time for ok: 
mean: 124 median:  92
   + https://dev-www.libreoffice.org/tmp/gerrit_190307.html 
   + connectivity issues with our hoster
 external buildslaves keep loosing connection
  + have to keep re-launching bots
  + disconnects are auto-retried, no manual re-scheduling involved.
   + no major problems last week – cywin box issue.

* l10n (Sophie)
+ weblate still in testing
+ deadline for LibreOffice Asia conference CFP is March 10

* auth-plugin on gerrit was updated (Christian)
+ the Google+ method will be disabled completely soon
+ hopefully no-one noticed.
+ SSO magic ? (Michael)
   + will be hooked up in future – but left for now (Christian)
  + getting closer to having this populated with devs. 

* QA update (Heiko)

+ Please help flesh out the monthly reports:
  https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/2qbepFYXXan4ief

+ Xisco off for the next week; Heiko updating us on QA.
+ no new most pressing bugs.
+ UNCONFIRMED: 581 (+36)
+ enhancements: 78  (+2)
+ needsUXEval: 0 (-1)
+ haveBackTrace: 2 (+0)
+ needsDevAdvice: 14 (-1)
+ documentation:  10 (+1)
+ android:  11 (+0)
+ Most pressing bugs:

+ New
[ none ]


+ Older
+ Crash in: ScFormulaResult::GetMatrixFormulaCellToken()
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123479
+ Benjamin Ni / Markus taking a look

+ PRINTING Crash calling print config dialog in specific case
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121439
+ potential fix thanks to Luboš – needs testing ...

+ Crash after accepting all changes from compared documents
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=109376
+ M. Stahl ? Two different crashes (?)

+ Crashes on UNDO
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=120754
+ dtardon / Caolan. Its an extension, so I'm guessing that
  one of the steps is outside undo control

+ Fixed
+ Writer crashes after undoing + redoing ToC insertion...
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123446
+ thanks to Michael S

+ Crash in: libc-2.27.so after setting Named Ranges to e.g. F:F
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122643
+ thanks to Luboš Luňák

+ Crash in: libsclo.so Copy block of cells to clipboard with focus
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121949
+ thanks to Luboš Luňák

+ Crash when cutting some content
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=118707
+ thanks to Lubos

+ LibreOffice opens but crashes when entering data on macOS 10.14
  Mojave
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121778
+ thanks to Miklos / Stephan (?) 


* QA stats
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/page.cgi?id=weekly-bug-summary.html
  +144  +13 (-111) overall)
  many thanks to the top bug squashers:
   Heiko Tietze11
   Eike Rathke 8
   Caolán McNamara 5
   Mark Hung   5
   Mike Kaganski   4
   V Stuart Foote  4
   Aron Budea  4
   Katarina Behrens (CIB)  4
   Aleksei Nikiforov   4
       Michael Meeks   4

+ top 10 bugs reporters:
   Nicolas Christener  8
   Aron Budea  4
   NISZ LibreOffice Team   4
   Pablo   3
   raal3
   Tor Lillqvist   3
   Samuel Mehrbrodt (CIB)  3
   Michael Weghorn 2
   laurent.terrosi 2
   david.cortes.rivera 2

+ top 10 bugs fixers:
   McNamara, Caolán4
   Budea, Áron 4
   Aleksei Nikiforov   4
   Meeks, Michael  3
   Hung, Mark  3
   Behrens, Katarína   2
   Michael Stahl   2
   Aditya Sahu 2
   roumanet2
   Weghorn, Michael2

+ top 10 bugs confirmers:
   *UNKNOWN*   9
   Brinzing, Oliver8
   D

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[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Olivier,Sophie, Eike, Stephan, Michael W, Heiko, Michael S, Michael M
  Christian, Caolan, Miklos, Thorsten, 

* Completed Action Items:
+ disable popups for development-build only in 6.2/.3 (Justin L)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123270
  + not done → abandoning for now.

* Pending Action Items:
+ review/update GSOC ideas page! (Mentors)
  + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GSoC/Ideas
  + deadline: early next week   

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.2.1 rc2 status
   + delayed a little – some external library fixes 
   + on mirrors now and ready to be distributed.
+ 6.2.2 rc1
   + tagging it this weekend sometime.
+ 6.1.6 rc1: April 9 
+ 6.3 alpha1: early May
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
 + pages CSS tweaks (fitoshido)
 + improvements in build robustness (sberg)
 + updates XLST

+ Helpcontent2
 + updates in contents (libreofficiant, ohallot, fitoshido, Mark
   Robbinson, Mike Kaganski, A Gelmini)
 + Most screenshot are currently useless (tdf#123765)
  + dialogs with tabs are collapsed – missing other tabs
  + can’t use the images.   

+ Help editor
 + Investigating the integration of editor with gerrit
 + lots of work to do here.

+ Guide books
+ Team is growing with arrival of US based volunteers
+ willing new contributors here - shifted meeting for them

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
254(254) (topicUI) bugs open, 257(257) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  6(-1)17(0) 36(-1)  98(1)  
 commented 55(19)   135(-3)   428(17)1440(15) 
   removed  3(3)  3(3)  7(0)   18(4)  
  resolved  2(-2)14(-6)44(2)  124(2)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 83 changes in 1 month, and 586 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 36 changes in 1 month, and 113 changes in 1 year
  Mehrbrodt, Samuel made 30 changes in 1 month, and 73 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 27 changes in 1 month, and 152 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 24 changes in 1 month, and 221 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 18 changes in 1 month, and 163 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 18 changes in 1 month, and 348 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 17 changes in 1 month, and 290 changes in 1 year
  Telesto made 15 changes in 1 month, and 63 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 10 changes in 1 month, and 112 changes in 1 year

  + New needsUXEval between Feb/21-28

* Envelope dialog: Make dialog more a11y friendly
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=107625
=> New

* Proposal of Enhancement for Writer / Table of Contents, Index or
  Bibliography
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123673
* Proposed Scale Tool feature
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123713
=> WFM

  + New proposed easyhacks – help with code pointers appreciated. 

* Disable "Close Bezier" when multiple objects are selected
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90373
* Cartesian System
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=120582
* Reorganizing “Border” tab on “Format Cells” window in Calc
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=100548
* add "coil" to draw basic shape menu
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=50998
* Add opportunity to open Autofilter window uses shortcut
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123560


* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ 1(+0) import failure, 4(+0) export failures
  - no change: redline-related (?)
+ coverity issues
  - coverity is back up
  - but we now need c++17, which isn’t working yet
  - asked coverity, and “new version will be deployed in the coming few
months”
+ Google / ossfuzz:
  - 8 issues, 7 timeouts, 1 OOM 
  - down one from last week
+ ForcePoint, round 9
+ had a run, but did not get any new ones; probably fixed
+ CVE issues
+ will be able to handle CVE’s ourselves (Caolán)
+ CNA process
+ asked in the meeting wrt. stupid stuff in the past
   + all not expected
+ positive progress.

* Crash Reporting (Xisco, Heiko)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.3.2
+ 1064 1039 (-25)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.4.2
+ 1478 1260 (-218)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.5.2
+ 382 444 (+62)
  + 

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[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Olivier, Michael S, Caolan, Michael M, Christian, Kendy, Miklos, Sophie
  Xisco, Eike, Stephan, Michael W, Heiko, Thorsten

* Completed Action Items:
+ poke OpenLabs for a hackfest room in Tirana (Xisco)
[ posted to their forum:
https://forum.openlabs.cc/t/libreoffice-hackfest-tirana-2019/1658
no response in a week, do we have interest ? ]
+ poke Rene before bumping to Java 1.6 baseline (Thorsten)
  [ all happy in gerritpatch merged ]
+ add commit access for Aleksei from basealt (Thorsten)
+ work with Mert to build an android l10n plan (Cloph)
  [ will use same process as for the remote
will convert XML files to po for translators]  
+ add screenshot builder to basic build stats (Cloph)
  [ Japanese is disabled manually for now to get the stats ] 

* Pending Action Items:
+ review/update GSOC ideas page! (Mentors)
  + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GSoC/Ideas
+ disable popups for development-build only in 6.2/.3 (Justin L)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123270
  [ sent some code pointers ]
+ send code pointers to Olivier on UNO commands ↔ UI XML mapping (Kendy)
  [ best to connection IRC to remind Kendy ] 

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.2.1 rc1 status
  + tagged, up on mirrors but not made public yet.
  + rc2: Feb 19 – next week; as planned.
+ 6.1.6 rc1: April 9
  + a bit further out.
+ 6.3 release schedule updated in the wiki
  + early April we have the 1st Alpha.
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
  + stuck on this during testing … release this week.
  + recently started on Online / iOS approach (Kendy)
 + committing bits, noticed that currently using 14 as min SDK ver.
 + this is very low; anything with an SDK14 device – can’t run it.
 + even for NDK need Android 16 (Christian)
 + is it ok to bump it to 21 eg. ? (Kendy)
+ 16 would be ok – already there (Christian)
   + 16 is ok.
 + committing to master, hope we don’t break normal build
 + Q for GSOC (Thorsten)
+ long-term maintain in parallel ?
+ would like to kill Fennec / Java monster (Michael)
+ is it in a state where GSOC can work ? (Thorsten)
   + asked student to talk to Gulsha (Michael)
+ ATM – depends how far we get with iOS version (Kendy)
   + lets see next ESC.
   + not worth pointing at the old code, lacks features
+ if moving too fast – perhaps not GSOC at it ? (Christian)
   + de-couples mobile-UI from mobile quite nicely (Kendy)
 + easier for students to develop.
 + new approach, Android Studio is much nicer.
+ does anyone feel particularly strongly wrt. Java ver ? (Thorsten)
   + if didn’t have Moz gecko stuff – rather stick with Android (Cloph)
  + fear is a version that doesn’t follow
Android semantics / usability
   + Tomaz & Miklos co-mentored Mert last year (Miklos)
  + everyone happy to see this.
   + trying to do it so both apps continue to work for now (Kendy)
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
+ fix glitch in 6.2 online version (ohallot).
+ not working on Mac (Xisco)
   + patch in gerrit. 
+ Help contents
+ Fixes in pages (vmiklos, fitoshido) 
+ New pages on python (libreofficiant, ohallot)
+ Guides
+ resuming activities after FOSDEM

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
248(248) (topicUI) bugs open, 268(268) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added 10(4) 22(6) 43(0)  102(6)  
 commented 51(24)   176(-6)   422(-5)1440(25) 
   removed  0(0)  2(0)  9(-2)  15(0)  
  resolved  5(4) 23(-4)42(3)  122(1)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 99 changes in 1 month, and 570 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 40 changes in 1 month, and 113 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 38 changes in 1 month, and 103 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 37 changes in 1 month, and 175 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 33 changes in 1 month, and 302 changes in 1 year
  dieterp made 24 changes in 1 month, and 140 changes in 1 year
  Telesto made 22 changes in 1 month, and 69 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 22 changes in 1 month, and 207 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 19 changes in 1 month, and 346 changes in 1 year
  BogdanB made 18 changes in 1 month, and 33 changes in 1 year
+ New needsUXEval between Feb/06-14

* Menubar -> File -> Versions, save group combine

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[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Sophie, Eike, Caolan, Michael M, Stephan, Christian, Miklos, Thorsten,
  Michael S, Xisco, Aditya, Olivier, Jan-Marek, Showroom, Heiko

* Completed Action Items:
+ PVS Stdio
  [ MikeK plodding through remaining issues & will ask for re-trigger ] 

* Pending Action Items:
+ disable popups for release-build only in 6.2/.3 (Justin L)
  [ sent some code pointers ]
+ send code pointers to Olivier on UNO commands ↔ UI XML mapping (Kendy)
+ work with Mert to build an android l10n plan (Christian)
  [ didn’t connect with him yet ]
+ mail BoD wrt. MS store update (Christian)
+ add screenshot builder to basic build stats (Christian)
  [ it fails with Japanese locale – but it’s not in the translation
can build with all of these – and build runs fine, but with just
ja it fails – needs further research  ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.1.5 RC2 status
  + tagging next week, final release announce with 6.2 final after FOSDEM
+ 6.2 RC3
  + tagged, need to re-build windows source checkout.
  + mac build is up-loaded,afterbuildwill up-load Linux
  + marketing put announcement back until after FOSDEM   
  + people want to be at home and react properly  
  + libreoffice-6-2-0 branch created
  + still require 1 review for libreoffice-6-2
  + and another 2 reviews for libreoffice-6-2-0   
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
  + new builds planned for the stores this week.
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
 + tweak in Search box (buovjaga) 
+ Helpcontent2
 + Several pages for Python + Basic Programming (A. Romedenne, ohallot)
 + Typos and cleanups (A Gelmini, A. Barrientos)
 + Graphics updates to svg (Mark Robbinson) 
+ Guides
 + Calc guide updates 
+ Prep for FOSDEM

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
255(255) (topicUI) bugs open, 270(270) (needsUXEval)
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  8(2) 12(0) 49(-2)  97(-3) 
 commented 71(25)   158(30)   437(20)1451(2)  
   removed  1(0)  2(1) 11(1)   15(0)  
  resolved  8(-3)23(3) 38(5)  119(6)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 67 changes in 1 month, and 556 changes in 1 year
  Roman Kuznetsov made 47 changes in 1 month, and 108 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 28 changes in 1 month, and 285 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 26 changes in 1 month, and 136 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 25 changes in 1 month, and 216 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 17 changes in 1 month, and 72 changes in 1 year
  Aditya Sahu made 16 changes in 1 month, and 16 changes in 1 year
  Adolfo Jayme Barrientos made 15 changes in 1 month, and 29 changes in 
1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 12 changes in 1 month, and 342 changes in 1 year
  Timur made 12 changes in 1 month, and 68 changes in 1 year

  * New needsUXEval between Jan/17-24

 * notebookbar tabbed switch with keyboard shortcut to different tab
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121586
=> NAB
   
 * Shortcuts for shapes in Draw/Impress
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122928

 * Add shortcut keys / hotkeys to set zoom level?
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=82679

 * When opening the navigator, the caret is no longer positioned on the list
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122900
   => unconfirmed/in discussion
   
 * Custom Shortcut not working properly on OSX
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122391
   => bug

 * Styles dropdown menu has wrong tooltip: "Create style from selection"
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=74446
   => new, easyhack

 * Writer does not include a key combination to insert thin spaces
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121596
   => patch submitted, input welcome (U+202F NNBSP too wide with Liberation
Serif, U+200A HAIR SPACE too small maybe)
   + is it an ‘insert character’ UNO command with a parameter ? (Michael)
  + ideal not to add large numbers of UNO commands 1 per character  

* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ 15 (+0) import failures, 15(+0) export failures
  + crashtesting vm suspended, causing problems:
- https://status.documentfoundation.org/incident/140/
  + pretty sure mstahl has one fixed, and another is isolated & reproducible
+ ?? was 8(+0) coverity issues
  + coverity was not working with C++17
  + https://community.synopsys.com/s/article/Coverity-Scan-Update actually
now coverity is completely down for everybody with no ETA for
  

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[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Olivier, Miklos, Michael W, Stephan, Michael S, Michael M, Heiko,
  Xisco, Caolan, Eike, Christian

* Completed Action Items:
+ disable popups for 6.1 for now (Justin L)

* Pending Action Items:
+ disable popups for release-build only in 6.2/.3 (Justin L)
+ send code pointers to Olivier on UNO commands ↔ UI XML mapping (Kendy)
+ work with Mert to build an android l10n plan (Christian)
  [ didn’t connect with him yet ] 
+ mail BoD wrt. MS store update (Christian)
+ add screenshot builder to basic build stats (Christian)
  [ it fails with Japanese locale – but it’s not in the translation
can build with all of these – and build runs fine, but with just
ja it fails – needs further research  ]
+ discuss PVS Stdio on dev list – someone look into it ? (Thorsten, MikeK)
  [ report came attached to a bug – need to ask for a re-run ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.1.5 RC1 status
  + tagged yesterday, builds are all up except win32 (building)
  + RC2 during the week of FOSDEM – plan to tag on Wed 30th
+ 6.2 RC3
  + tagging due next week.
  + libreoffice-6-2-0 branch created
  + still require 1 review for libreoffice-6-2
  + and another 2 reviews for libreoffice-6-2-0   
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
  + new builds planned for the stores this week.
+ Online
  + up-loaded rc2 source

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
+ more WIP for Help Editor:
+ https://olivierhallot.blogspot.com/2019/
+ https://newdesign.libreoffice.org/help_editor/index.html
+ Using to check XHP and page rendering.
+ Helpcontents2
+ several fixes in page (SophiaS, A Gelmini)
+ Pages on Python (A Romedenne)
+ Updates pages for deprecated resources (ohallot)
+ pages for undocumented resources - eg. shift-F5 (ohallot)
+ Some refactor to spare L10n workload (ohallot)
+ Guides
+ Stalled

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
255(255) (topicUI) bugs open, 271(271) (needsUXEval)
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month3 months   12 months  
 added  6(1) 12(-2) 51(-4) 100(-5) 
 commented 46(-8)   128(-16)   417(-20)   1449(-7) 
   removed  1(0)  1(-2) 10(-1)  15(-1) 
  resolved 11(8) 20(7)  33(6)  113(4)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 39 changes in 1 month, and 543 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 38 changes in 1 month, and 296 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 20 changes in 1 month, and 134 changes in 1 year
  Roman Kuznetsov made 19 changes in 1 month, and 79 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 18 changes in 1 month, and 242 changes in 1 year
  Aditya Sahu made 16 changes in 1 month, and 16 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 14 changes in 1 month, and 348 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 13 changes in 1 month, and 79 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 12 changes in 1 month, and 142 changes in 1 year
  Timur made 8 changes in 1 month, and 62 changes in 1 year
 + New needsUXEval between Jan/10-17

* LibreOffice 6.2 notebook tabbed bar is missing RTL and LTR buttons
  after enabling CTL
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121589
* Notebookbar context related toolbars are visible
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122087
* context Menu: remove tabletext.xml from sd modules
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=120844
* Explain in the style dialog that Outline & Numbering options are
  disabled due to style being assigned to Chapter Numbering
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122637
=> NEW

* Print (selected) pages harder to use in new printer dialog in 6.3+
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122707
* calc and draw sheet tab hardcoded black color actions
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122734
* UI: Shape background color depends on template
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122725
* Table background color not changing
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122486
=> in discussion

* Add zig-zag lines for table borders
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122766
=> unconfirmed

* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ 15 (+9) import failures, 15(+15) export failures
  + import issue should be fixed in the next round.
  + export looks like related to redlining
  + but not isolated a reproducer yet -
+ ?? 8(+0) coverity issues
  + coverity was not working with C++17
  + 

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[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Kendy, Miklos, Xisco, Sophie, Caolan, Michael S, Michael M,
  Olivier, Heiko, Christian, Jan-Marek

* Completed Action Items:
+ reach out to Zotero (Michael)
  [ not obvious how to move ahead; technology & license (AGPL)
installed it (Heiko)
   + Java - 100Mb install, connectors to different apps
   + LibreOffice connector – as an extension ]
+ blog poll with ~50/50 acceptance to drop bibliography (Heiko)
  [ some accept getting rid of it, others say minimum func.
makes sense for basic users without online connection.
Could do a GSOC project (Samuel volunteered) ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ work with Mert to build an android l10n plan (Christian)
  [ didn’t connect with him yet ] 
+ mail BoD wrt. MS store update (Christian)
+ add screenshot builder to basic build stats (Christian)
  [ it fails with Japanese locale – but it’s not in the translation
can build with all of these – and build runs fine, but with just
ja it fails – needs further research  ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.1.4 RC2 status
+ 6.2 RC 1 status
  + ready for the bug hunting Friday tomorrow.
+ 6.2 RC 2 – due week 2 – Jan 17th  
  + still require 1 review for libreoffice-6-2
  + libreoffice-6-2-0 after RC2.
  + Late Features
 + red-lining paragraph attribute re-work (Thorsten)
+ merged into master & 6.2 branch in time for RC1
+ except for document indexes – still being worked on
  which should be finished by tomorrow.
+ is it enabled by default ? (Xisco) 
 + yes enabled by default (Michael S)
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
  + will provide a new version to the app store but no up-loaded yet.
 + Online
+ 6.2 rc1 source up-loaded.

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
+ Added  for proper rendering of python code (ohallot)
+ Work on online editor: render XHP page while editing (ohallot)
+ Help contents2
+ many fixes by translators (S. Horacek, Sabri Unai, ohallot)
+ miscellaneous fixes (erAck, ohallot)
+ additions and corrections for Basic and Python pages (libreofficiant)
+ Issue: How to add menus and toolbars for new UIs such as:
Notebook bar, simple bar, grouped bars, etc.
   + Huge work to describe UNO commands in new UIs. 
   + each page describes where a tool is eg. “menu → format → character”
   + considering all the cmds in an interface – quite a lot of work.
   + also confusing to list several (Michael)
  + the resulting is the same but the way to get it different.
  + should be able to do it programatically from
.uno:Format to a path in the UI.
   + menu never changes (Heiko)
  + help on notebookbars – perhaps just drop that.
  + concerned about the workflow around notebookbar,
too many options in the UI – and not close to usability.
  + we have five variants of similar UIs – which goes in &
is documented ?
+ development of new ones is easy.
  + propose to ship 1, not an arbitrary number of them.
 + making it an extension kills it (Michael)
+ few people install them
+ why should that be ? (Heiko)
   + practically it is – fixing that is hard (Michael)
 + if we get XML somewhere – can get it on pages (Olivier)
+ right transformation to find the files & simplify docs here.
 + in the end it is all .uno:Foo commands (Kendy)
+ menu/toolbar/sidebar
AI: + send some quick code pointers to Olivier (Kendy)
+ Guides.
+ Updates ongoing on Calc guides

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
259(259) (topicUI) bugs open, 278(278) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month3 months   12 months  
 added  4(-6) 19(-3) 61(-1) 102(-1) 
 commented 35(-21)   147(-19)   435(-1)1444(-8) 
   removed  1(1)   6(0)   9(1)   13(1)  
  resolved  3(2)   7(1)  22(0)  111(-1) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 92 changes in 1 month, and 547 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 37 changes in 1 month, and 284 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 32 changes in 1 month, and 227 changes in 1 year
  Pedro made 32 changes in 1 month, and 91 changes in 1 year
  dieterp made 24 changes in 1 month, and 122 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 21 changes in 1 month, and 353 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 21 changes in 1 month, and 61 changes in 1 year
  himajin10 made 9 changes in 1 month, and 14 changes in 1 year
  

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[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Miklos, Caolan, Christian, Jan-Marek, Eike, Michael W, Heiko,
  Stephan, Sophie, Xisco, Kendy, Thorsten, Mert

* Completed Action Items:
+ poke Guilhelm wrt gandalf → to poke admins (Christian)
  [ Markus volunteered to look at this & ~all is well (Stephan) ]
+ run certification script (Kendy)
  [ run the script – and mailed it out ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ add screenshot builder to basic build stats (Christian)
  [ still failing when languages are enabled.
Not sure if it is related to langtag things –
perhaps a coincidence ? - more digging required ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.1.4 RC2 status
  + will up-load builds during the day.
+ 6.2 RC 1 – Dec 17th
  + want to tag early to help out bug-hunting with builds before Friday
 + aiming for Tuesday evening – please help out reviewing patches.
  + currently require 1 review for libreoffice-6-2
  + Late Features ?
 + red-lining paragraph attribute re-work (Thorsten)
+ a flurry of activity in the private branch private/mst/redlining4b
+ pretty confident.
+ running mass-comparison framework from Milos 
+ should be in a good shape next week.
+ with consent of ESC – if none of the BZ docs trigger problems.
+ as close to production ready as possible.
+ crash testing ? (Michael)
   + input documents are the set of bugzilla docs (Thorsten)
  + lots of overlap
  + also using it with no experimental (Xisco)
  + don’t without the branch (Thorsten)
=> merge it into RC1 – not experimental anymore.
   + easy to turn off later – just a 1 liner.
   + happy to have a kill-switch too (Miklos)
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
  + thanks to Stephan for fixing C++ exceptions here
  + updated tinderbox to recent debian so it now builds.
  + Christian has access to recovery console too now.
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
 + New Help
 + Updates in XSLT + DTD for Python code fragments
 + writing python documentation / help
 + Help
 + Fix typos from translators review (ohallot, Sabri Unal)
 + some refactor (SophiaS)
 + Fix menu paths for recent UI (S. Horacek)
 + New pages for Python Scripts (ohallot, libreofficiant)
 + New pages for StarDesktop, Enum objects (libreofficiant)
 + Guides
 + Work in progress

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
260(260) (topicUI) bugs open, 286(286) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added 10(1)  22(-6)62(4)  103(1)  
 commented 56(-12)   166(-2)   436(12)1452(-16)
   removed  0(0)   6(-2) 8(0)   12(-1) 
  resolved  1(-1)  6(1) 22(-1) 112(-1) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 91 changes in 1 month, and 534 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 53 changes in 1 month, and 292 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 38 changes in 1 month, and 348 changes in 1 year
  Pedro made 33 changes in 1 month, and 89 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 25 changes in 1 month, and 226 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 25 changes in 1 month, and 124 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 17 changes in 1 month, and 57 changes in 1 year
  Henschel, Regina made 13 changes in 1 month, and 77 changes in 1 year
  Raal made 10 changes in 1 month, and 31 changes in 1 year
  himajin10 made 8 changes in 1 month, and 13 changes in 1 year

   + New needsUXEval between Dec/06-Dec/12

   * Wasting of time and bad behaviour when you use the 'clone' of the cell
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121876
 => NAB
   * Mail Merge toolbar hidden on next run if it was manually enabled
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122002
 => NEW
   * default padding around Images
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122063
   * Some enhancement request for customization dialog
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121939
   * Some enhancement request and issues for the Personas dialog
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121937
   * Can't select/pick multiples shapes or images in
 Writer/Calc/Impress/Draw with CTRL key
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121967
   * Data loss risk referencing slides from external impress presentation
 (Menu Insert -> File, selecting link)
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51554
 => in discussion

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

Hi Markus,

On 06/12/2018 16:46, Markus Mohrhard wrote:
>          + minor complaint wrt. single Chart save removal in calc
> (Heiko)
>             + how to know ? - checkout release notes
>  
> These people should feel free to complain to me. However the removal was
> necessary and long overdue. Actually, the feature was responsible for
> many regressions and was originally intended by me for debugging purposes.

Amusing =) Heiko would know those involved I guess.

> perftest is not running on gandalf, instead on vm139. 
> 
> As I'm one of the main users of gandalf (e.g. update, UI testing, random
> config) and some more exotic builds not managed by jenkins I will try to
> take care of the update during the weekend.

Thanks so much for that ! seems like that one machine does a lot.

ATB,

Michael.

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[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Jmux, Michael S, Kendy, Stephan, Heiko, Christian, Michael M,
  Thorsten, Olivier, Xisco, Eike 

* Completed Action Items:
+ fwd port experimental firebird migration patch to -6-2 (Xisco)

* Pending Action Items:
+ run certification script (Kendy)
  [ hope to have run for next time ]
+ add screenshot builder to basic build stats (Christian)
  [ still WIP] 

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.2 Beta 2 – no request → skip  
+ 6.1.4 RC2
  + due next week tagging expected Tues.  
+ 6.2 RC 1 – Dec 17th
  + Late Features ?
 + donation infobar: merged to master & -6-2 (Heiko)
 + red-lining paragraph attribute re-work (Michael S)
+ trying to aim for UI freeze on Dec 17 for switching the 
default
+ preparing a back-port of parts already done to -6-2 branch
   + can merge this branch tomorrow
+ doing some testing / fixing of crashers from printing & 
formatting 
+ have a few more issues to fix
+ can we turn it out of experimental in master ? (Thorten)
   + then we get crash-testing – next week perhaps.
 + showstopper fixed for Notebookbar (Heiko)
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103226
+ thanks to Mike K.
 + minor complaint wrt. single Chart save removal in calc (Heiko)
+ how to know ? - checkout release notes
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
 + tinderbox off-line while it is updated to gcc7 baseline.
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help (nothing this week)
+ Help contents
+ pages fixes and refactor (A. Gelmini, erAck,
M. Kaganski, LibreOficiant, ohallot)
+ New help page on OpenPGP encryption (ohallot, bubli).
+ Guides
+ Team working in updating Calc Guide to 6.2

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
260(260) (topicUI) bugs open, 285(285) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  9(1) 28(-4)58(2)  102(3)  
 commented 68(34)   168(7)424(37)1468(30) 
   removed  0(-5) 8(0)  8(0)   13(-1) 
  resolved  2(2)  5(-3)23(1)  113(-3) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 114 changes in 1 month, and 551 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 60 changes in 1 month, and 303 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 50 changes in 1 month, and 342 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 21 changes in 1 month, and 63 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 16 changes in 1 month, and 115 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 11 changes in 1 month, and 81 changes in 1 year
  himajin10 made 9 changes in 1 month, and 13 changes in 1 year
  Pedro made 9 changes in 1 month, and 64 changes in 1 year
  Henschel, Regina made 9 changes in 1 month, and 72 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 8 changes in 1 month, and 135 changes in 1 year
   + 11 new needsUXEval between Nov/29-Dec/06

   * Rework tab Header/Footer in dialogue Page style in Calc
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121777
   * Autocorrect: an option to avoid auto-capitalization of some words
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121779
   * Doesn't active menu item Insert->Headers and Footers in Calc 6.2
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121759
   * Table with no styles created by table picker differs from a table 
 with no styles created by insert table dialog
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121816
   * UI: Name of options section "HTML Compatibility" doesn't match 
 the wider scope of available options
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121837
   * The problem of drawing trapezoidal graphs
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=116672
   * Gutters
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121883
   * Horizontal table borders appear slightly fatter compared to 
 vertical lines and compared to previous versions
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121026
   * Unsaved changes to document indicator invisible
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121814
   => New/In discussion
   
   * UX - Simplify Page Border Menu & Provide Basic Cover Page Templates
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121864
   => Accepted
   
   * Tabbed UI in Windows does not get theme color - remains white.
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121877
   => Dup

* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ 1 (+0) 

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Eike, Miklos, Stephan, Michael S, Olivier, Xisco, Caolan
  Michael W, Sophie, Michael M, Drew, Christian, Heiko,
  Thorsten, Jan-Marek

* Completed Action Items:
+ add commit access & welcome Mert Tumer (Michael M)
+ mend Android tinderbox (Christian)
  [ has build failures, but is back ] 

* Pending Action Items:
+ run certification script (Kendy)
  [ not run yet ]
+ add screenshot builder to basic build stats (Christian)
  [ set it up on the build-bot that was Kendy’s no results yet ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.1.4 RC1 status
  + tagged yesterday, uneventful – collecting builds to up-load 
+ 6.2 Beta 2 slot (?)
  + any requests for this – else skip it.
  + are daily builds sufficient for Notebookbar testing ?
  + Andreas K proposed to have a B2 (Xisco)
 + Notebookbar enabled in B1 already
 + not particularly worried about having one (Heiko)
  => no beta 2 planned.
 + can request next monday if big changes.
+ 6.2 RC 1 – Dec 17th
  + Late Features ?
 + donation infobar (Heiko)
+ https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/63883/
+ terminology in discussion, review pending
+ agreement to have this – 90 days alternation with get-involved.
+ how do we label / approach the people.
+ an option to turn it off ? (Michael W)
   + yes → lots of ways to do that (Heiko)
   + prefer to have this as a compile time option (Michael M)
=> merge it.
 + red-lining paragraph attribute re-work (Michael S)
- trying to aim for UI freeze on Dec 17 for switching the 
default
+ hoping to finish a few 10’s of patches to get interactive editing
  bits into a state where basic things work.
+ will be some more complex bits to do after that.
+ autoformat pieces – makes splitting paragraphs harder.
 + showstopper for Notebookbar (Heiko)
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103226
+ Kshitij’s patch was reverted – seems like a show-stopper.
+ a problem with toolbars that pop-up or not
+ marketing people are doing work, and disappointment is great.
+ MikeK may be looking in his spare time (Caolan)
   + patch at https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/64256/
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
 + Online

* Base / Firebird migration assistant (Xisco)
+ was experimental in 6.1 – now it’s on in 6.2
+ should it be on by default ?
+ also triggers the conversion dialog when a macro is run (Christian)
+ this breaks a number of external projects:
  https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121599 
+ rather important (Drew)
+ why don’t we make it experimental still in 6.2 ? (Miklos)
+ so more time to fix in master.
+ not convinced it is ready without a code update (Drew)
+ will we have it in another six months if experimental again ? (Xisco)
+ if not on in master – no test coverage, so good to have on (Thorsten)
+ don’t think it’s a bad thing on master (Drew) 
   + if the issue on when it prompts to start the conversion
 then could have it on in 6.2
   + waiting for someone to take an interest here (Michael M)
=> fwd port patch so it’s experimental again in 6.2 (Xisco)

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
 + added new (extended) XML tags for simpler markup (ohallot)
 + Added code highlight for BASIC code (ohallot)
+ Helpcontents
 + New pages for Basic and VBA (A. Romedenne)
 + Fixes in help pages (A Gelmini, ohallot, fitoshido)
 + Help entry pages on using Python scripts (ohallot)
+ Guides
 + Team delivering first updates on Calc book
 + discussing on how to bypass bugs.
+ updated wiki pages on how to write help pages.
 + also documenting new XML extensions.

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
260(260) (topicUI) bugs open, 284(284) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month3 months   12 months  
 added  8(-2) 32(-3) 56(-1)  99(-1) 
 commented 34(-41)   161(-42)   387(-22)   1438(-28)
   removed  5(4)   8(5)   8(5)   14(5)  
  resolved  0(-4)  8(-2) 22(-3) 116(-5) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 114 changes in 1 month, and 551 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 80 changes in 1 month, and 349 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 52 changes in 1 month, and 283 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 38 changes in 1 month, and 141 changes in 1 year
  Henschel, Regina made 15 changes in 1 month, and 79 changes in 1 year
  Pedro made 

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Michael W, Eike, Stephan, Caolan, Christian, Xisco, Michael M,
  Heiko, Kendy, Thorsten, Olivier

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
+ run certification script (Kendy)
  [ not run yet ]
+ add screenshot builder to basic build stats (Christian)
  [ didn’t get to the build failure ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ all well.  
+ 6.2 Beta 1
  + cherry-pick from master to 6.2 branch
  + feature frozen, but no reviews needed yet for 6-2
  + optional beta 1st week in Dec. 
  + otherwise RC1 is due Dec 17th.
  + Late Features ?
 + donation infobar (Heiko)
+ not decided yet if we go with it.
+ can we get the strings in ? (Michael M)
   + still a couple of weeks here.
 + red-lining paragraph attribute re-work (Michael S) 
- trying to aim for UI freeze on Dec 17 for switching the 
default 
+ 6.1.4 RC1 next week 48, Nov 26
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
 + Online
+ 6.2 branch & Beta1 source release  

* Printing dialog (Kompi - not here)
+ status update on:
  https://gist.github.com/danielfaleiro/992aa39557f8475b8f4daa3af4bb3052
+ anything actionable here ? (Thorsten)
   + dislike the "hassle things into the project" approach (Michael)
+ expect to get plenty of bugs when it hits real users (Thorsten)
   + need someone to step up to own / fix issues.
   + easy part is the merge conflicts.
+ similar story with GSOC side-bar (Xisco)
   + completely understand not merging it.
+ any volunteers to shared fixing ? (Thorsten)
   + can do a fix or two, but not all of it myself.
   + may have a look (Michael W)
=> looking forward to Daniel continuing to finish this & merge it.

* CentOS base-line for KDE bits ? (Christian)
+ had already bumped it for 6.2 – for gtk3 / KDE5
+ 64bit Linux build on CentOS7
+ 32bit Linux still on CentOS6
   + platform is missing these newer pieces.
   + not got the new gtk/kde support but has new compiler.

* Compiler baselines (Stephan)
+ Plan at 
 
“Re: Compiler baselines”:
+ If nobody objects, we'd update the build baselines on master
  (towards LO 6.3) as follows (cf README.md):
+ Windows: from Visual Studio 2017 to Visual Studio 2017 version 15.7
+ macOS: from Xcode 8 to Xcode 9.3
   + expect tinderbox / builders are at 9.3 anyway. 
+ Linux GCC: from GCC 4.8.1 to GCC 7
+ Linux Clang: from Clang to Clang 5.0.2
+ Clang compiler plugins: from Clang 3.8 to Clang 5.0.2
+ flex: from 2.5.35 to 2.6.0
+ gperf: from 3.0.0 to 3.1
 + any objections ? otherwise impl. thus.
 + Android ? (Michael)
+ tinderbox is dead too …
+ using the NDK-16 (Christian)
   + C++ run-time deprecated,
 and bump to NDK18 to llvm C++ runtime
 where exception handling is broken.  
AI: + mend tinderbox (Christian)
 + MacOS / toolchain ? (Thorten)
+ if dropping unmaintained stuff - no problem.

* Documentation (Olivier)
 + New Help
  + fixes and enhancements in Index (buovjaga)
 + Helpcontents
  + Typos (SophiaS)
  + Pages updates (S. Horacek, M. Kaganski)
 + Guides,
  + many discussions on templates 
  + procedures for guides updates
 + plenty of activity.

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
255(255) (topicUI) bugs open, 298(298) - needsUXEval
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added 10(-5)35(0) 57(3)  100(4)  
 commented 75(8)203(0)409(18)1466(-9) 
   removed  1(-1) 3(1)  3(1)9(1)  
  resolved  4(2) 10(-2)25(-1) 121(-4) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Thomas Lendo made 118 changes in 1 month, and 368 changes in 1 year
  Tietze, Heiko made 115 changes in 1 month, and 550 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 52 changes in 1 month, and 147 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 44 changes in 1 month, and 273 changes in 1 year
  和尚蟹 made 31 changes in 1 month, and 31 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 29 changes in 1 month, and 217 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 15 changes in 1 month, and 83 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 15 changes in 1 month, and 55 changes in 1 year
  Muhammet Kara made 12 changes in 1 month, and 15 changes in 1 year
  Zolnai, Tamás made 11 changes in 1 month, and 147 changes in 1 year
   New needsUXEval between Nov/16-22th 

 * Standard (Viewing Mode) toolbar does not have the close icon
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121490
   => Assigned/Fixed
 * Add button in tabbed mode
  

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Kendy, Michael M., Olivier, Miklos, Sophie, Xisco, Heiko,
  Michael W, Stephan, Eike, Michael S., Christian, Thorsten 

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
+ run certification script (Kendy)
  [ not run yet ]
+ add screenshot builder to basic build stats (Christian)
  [ didn’t get to the build failure ]

* Release Engineering update (Xisco)
+ 6.2 Beta 1 & feature freeze status
  + Late Features ?
 + donation infobar (Heiko)
 + red-lining paragraph attribute re-work (Michael S) 
- trying to aim for UI freeze on Dec 17 for switching the 
default 
  + will create branch and tag later today
  + merged red-lining branch (Michael S)
 + can display documents in document view properly.
 + more bits to do – wrt. applying paragraph properties
 + still an experimental mode option
 + hope to be done by then end of the year
 + can kill the ‘too many red-lines’ dialog.
 + can’t get rid of removal when export to ODF (yet)
 + perhaps get it on by default in 6.2.0 – decide on 
   Dec 17th at UI freeze deadline (Thorsten)
   + need to update build-slaves for 6.3 ? (Stephan)
 + best to update LODE first to make it easy (Christian)   
+ 6.1.4 RC1 week after the next (week 48, Nov 26)
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
   + exception handling issue in libstdc++ ?
   + needs to be fixed for ARM to use the latest NDK.
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
   + Improvement in index search (buovjaga, sberg)
   + Fix png → svg icon replacement logic in XSLT (ohallot)
+ Helpcontent2
   + New page on VBA FormatNumber (ohallot)
   + how to use the VBA compatibility option. 
   + REGEX calc function (ohallot)
   + OpenType font features (ohallot)
   + Typos in contents (SophiaS, Agelmini)
   + http → https in links (SophiaS)
   + Fixes after translators review (ohallot)
   + clarifications in text (caolán, M. Kaganski)
+ Literature (Guides)
   + wiki page for writing Help contents (Sophie)
   + wiki page on Using NC client (ohallot)
   + review of Calc chapters (D. Barton, D. Jensen, C. Crumbley)
+ tests on mathml for equations in help pages
   + seems only to be there in firefox, but works quite well.  

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
254(254) (topicUI) bugs open, 296(296) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added 15(10)35(12)54(14)  96(14) 
 commented 67(39)   203(37)   391(64)1475(51) 
   removed  2(2)  2(2)  2(2)8(3)  
  resolved  2(-2)12(0) 26(-1) 125(-1) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Thomas Lendo made 136 changes in 1 month, and 356 changes in 1 year
  Tietze, Heiko made 95 changes in 1 month, and 526 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 46 changes in 1 month, and 141 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 44 changes in 1 month, and 290 changes in 1 year
  Zolnai, Tamás made 21 changes in 1 month, and 174 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 20 changes in 1 month, and 83 changes in 1 year
  Roman Kuznetsov made 15 changes in 1 month, and 53 changes in 1 year
  和尚蟹 made 15 changes in 1 month, and 15 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 14 changes in 1 month, and 206 changes in 1 year
  Pedro made 14 changes in 1 month, and 69 changes in 1 year
  * New needsUXEval between Nov/09-15

* Paragraph settings are unavailable when an image is selected
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=120520
  => WF
* Autocorrect strikeout writing convention potential for unintended changes
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121377
  => WFM
* The buttons "convert to ODP format" or "use PPT format" are ordered
  differently
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121311
  => NAB
* Table Design from Impress should be available in Calc and Writer
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121307
  => DUP
* Tooltip for Color Bar interactions missing
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121437
  => ENH
* Groupedbar Audio or video contextual menu is deformated
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=117689
  => BUG
* Change the AutoFormat Table Style button in Calc for several icon sets
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=120918
  => ASSI
* StarOffice fonts still in use in wizard templates
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113720
  => ASSI
* Group Header and Footer styles together at the hierarchical view
   + 

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[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Heiko, Caolan, Kendy, Olivier, Miklos, Xisco, Sophie, Stephan,
  Michael W, Michael M  

* Completed Action Items:
+ characterize perf. Impact of changing icon scaling algorithm (jmux)
[ tweaked the makefiles, takes a while to load PNG to SVG
  is cached, takes a few seconds – happens (Heiko)
 + PNGs were in ZIP files and sorted to improve I/O ? (Michael) ]
+ investigate missing crash report signatures in 6.1.2 (Cloph)
  [ fixed in 6.1.3 – missing up-loads (Markus) ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ run certification script (Kendy)
  [ not run yet ]
+ add screenshot builder to basic build stats (Cloph)
  [ build still fails ]

* Release Engineering update (Xisco)
+ 6.0.7.3 and 6.1.3.2 released this week.
+ 6.2 Beta 1 & feature freeze next week
  + Late Features ?
 + donation infobar (Heiko)
+ 6.1.4 RC1 week after
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
  + exception handling issue in libstdc++ ?
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
+ No news
+ Andres K is up-loading new icons for new help.
+ Help contents
+ Typos and fixes (SophiaS, ohallot)
+ Guides
+ Reformulating workflow with NextCloud + LooL
+ Working and templates for Calc Guide
+ support for newcomers.

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
254(254) (topicUI) bugs open, 286(286) (needsUXEval)
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month3 months   12 months  
 added  5(-9) 23(-5) 40(-7)  82(-14)
 commented 28(-63)   166(-35)   327(-41)   1424(-77)
   removed  0(-1)  0(-1)  0(-1)   5(-1) 
  resolved  4(0)  12(0)  27(0)  126(-2) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Thomas Lendo made 132 changes in 1 month, and 336 changes in 1 year
  Tietze, Heiko made 70 changes in 1 month, and 485 changes in 1 year
  Zolnai, Tamás made 60 changes in 1 month, and 175 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 33 changes in 1 month, and 128 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 20 changes in 1 month, and 275 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 16 changes in 1 month, and 202 changes in 1 year
  和尚蟹 made 15 changes in 1 month, and 15 changes in 1 year
  Muhammet Kara made 13 changes in 1 month, and 15 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 12 changes in 1 month, and 75 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 11 changes in 1 month, and 48 changes in 1 year
   + New tickets with flag needsUXEval between Nov/01-08

 + Change name (description) of 4th argument to VLOOKUP and HLOOKUP to
   "Sorted range lookup"
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121090
 ++ TRACK CHANGES: linked files changes are not shown in the master document
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121166
 + Western acronyms not correctly formatted in RTL context
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121182
   => WFM
 + Single page not centered when in multiple-page view
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=95076
 + In CALC, the Data autofilter GUI does not have consistent controls
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=76882
   => WFM
 + [Feature request] Search on Options
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121160
   => DUP
 ++ LO Impress: Option Double Underline is disabled
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121233
 + LO Calc -> Format -> Text -> there is no checkbox for option Double
   Underline
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121239
 + personas different header/fooder files for different LibO apps
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121174

   + Bring Notebookbar out of experimental state for 6.2 (Heiiko)
  + META ticket https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=102062
(missing customizable, extensions cannot register icons, 
 chart and other sections missing, resize issues, a11y, macOS glitches)
  + Patch https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/62959/
  + Agreement from marketing & QA
  + hope to attract more development when it is non-experimental
  + would like to see it by default (Xisco)
  + when people report issues – if no-one fixes them then what ?
  + should ensure we have a means of improving it quickly.
  + don’t see ~any development here – just minor changes.
  + Jim is looking at the a11y issues (Heiko)
  => put this option on for 6.2 betas / Rcs for now & re-visit later

* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ 7 (+2) import failure, 2(-2) export failures
+ found webdav problem and fixed it
+ ?? 8 (+0) coverity issues
+ ?? Google / ossfuzz:
+ 15 

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Kendy, Stephan, Caolan, Xisco, Olivier, Heiko, Eike, Andras,
  Thorsten, Michael

* Completed Action Items:
+ give Rizal Muttaqin commit access & welcome (Heiko)

* Pending Action Items:
+ investigate missing crash report signatures in 6.1.2 (Cloph)
  [ not yet sure what’s happening ]
+ add screenshot builder to basic build stats (Cloph)
  [ build still fails ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian, Xisco)
+ 6.0.7 rc3 status, release on Monday
+ 6.1.3 status, release on Monday
+ 6.2 Beta 1 & feature freeze due Nov 12th
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
  + exception handling issue in libstdc++ ?
+ Online

 * Backport tdf#119020 "Icons are corrupted on Windows when scaling UI / OpenGL"
+ https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/62686/
+ 6.0 has been tagged so this patch comes to late
+ welcome for 6.1 as late feature

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
   + Corner cases of handling legacy PNG images, potential easy hack
   + will split the bug into multiple smaller bugs   
+ Help contents
   + updated pages in Base reports (olivier)
   + Fix typos, bugs (Fitoshido, olivier)
   + Add warning for experimental features (buovjaga)
+ Calc guide
   + Discussions WRT handling massive amount of styles in docs, e.g. 
updating the calc guides

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
254(254) (topicUI) bugs open, 297(297) (needsUXEval)
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added 14(3) 28(3) 47(-1)  96(-7) 
 commented 91(46)   201(43)   368(5) 1501(-33)
   removed  1(1)  1(1)  1(1)6(0)  
  resolved  4(2) 12(4) 27(-3) 128(-1) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Thomas Lendo made 122 changes in 1 month, and 326 changes in 1 year
  Zolnai, Tamás made 96 changes in 1 month, and 200 changes in 1 year
  Tietze, Heiko made 70 changes in 1 month, and 525 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 37 changes in 1 month, and 223 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 28 changes in 1 month, and 139 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 24 changes in 1 month, and 282 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 16 changes in 1 month, and 79 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 13 changes in 1 month, and 127 changes in 1 year
  Muhammet Kara made 13 changes in 1 month, and 15 changes in 1 year
  Roman Kuznetsov made 11 changes in 1 month, and 45 changes in 1 year
New needsUXEval between Oct/26-31

 * Access to the language property at paragraph settings
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=120932

 * Make font size field in styles dialogs toggleable between percentage and pt
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121011

 * Appearing of GtkSeparator on Notebookbars is different to standard rulers
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121050

 * Toolbar: Remove oleobjectbar.xml and use frameobjectbar.xml
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=120985


* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ 5 (+0) import failure, 4(+0) export failures
+ 8 (+0) coverity issues
+ HsqlBinaryImportText::testBinaryImport failure
+ didn’t get a build
+ Google / ossfuzz:
+ 15 issues, 1 serious, lots of timeout issues
+ did something get slower on our or their side ?
+ ForcePoint, round 9
+ 4 writer layout issues
+ couple of other issues
+ end of Jan. embargo for one lower prio issue.
   + hopefully Miklos can poke at it post spec. update.
   + connecting to other related developers.
+ another issue in progress at higher prio.
  Still struggling to agree an embargo with AOO
   + but got a reply
+ PVS Studio
 + mikekaganski fixing lots of the remaining minor nits.
 + can we get them to run it again at some stage ? ...

* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.7.2
 + 421 (last 7 days) (-20)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.6.2
 + 1076 (last 7 days) (-241)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.0.3
 + 1127 (last 7 days) (-1114)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.1.2
 + 1034 (last 7 days) (-192)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.2.1
 + 4167 (last 7 days) (+144)

* Hackfests & Events (Thorsten)
   + Munich was nice, details & achievements on the wiki:   
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/Muenchen2018
   + next year hackfests coming up:
+ FOSDEM in February
+ Tirana perhaps in March/April
+ Paris in summer
+ tentative Dresden: late autumn (past mid-October, for having students)
   + hope to have one each quarter.

* 

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [libreoffice-projects] Re: Next QA meeting: Oct 30 at 15:00 UTC

[Michael Meeks]

On 30/10/2018 14:53, Xisco Fauli wrote:
>> I'd love to discuss Ilmari's email [1] more in detail to see how
>> we should handle this.

Communicating more clearly and in an easy-to-consume way is brilliant
=) of course its real work trying to get that done - can't help out
there myself (sadly not even time for the under-the-hood-ness anymore).

But I'd love to read more of what Ilmari wrote =) encouraging stuff -
and I love the crediting of the people doing the work too.

ATB,

Michael.

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[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Xisco, Sophie, Caolan, Christian, Michael W, Michael M, Eike, Heiko
  Olivier, Miklos, Kendy, Jan-Marek

* Completed Action Items:
+ disable editing for the android viewer except in alpha programme 
(Christian)
  [ submitted to gerrit – needs review & releasing ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ investigate missing crash report signatures in 6.1.2 (Cloph)
  [ not yet sure what’s happening ]
+ add screenshot builder to basic build stats (Cloph)
  [ build still fails ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian, Xisco)
+ 6.0.7 rc2 status
  + the last of the 6.0 line – built & on mirrors
  + will be an rc3 for this thanks to Xisco.
+ 6.1.3 RC2
  + this week – as scheduled.
+ 6.2 Alpha 1 status
  + tagged and released last week
+ 6.2 Beta 1 & feature freeze due Nov 12th
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
  + exception handling issue in libstdc++ ?
  + disable exceptions as a workaround; not aborting – affects Intel only.
  + new app-store submissions require 64bit Intel versions
  + new ARM ones will require llvm run-time.
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help: 
+ Published proposal for XHP extensions
  + Some feedback (N. Grandin, D. Barton)
+ Help Contents
+ Typo fixing
+ Guides
+ Support for Calc Guide – one of the most demanded guides
+ General
+ Wiki pages updates on documentation, staffing.  

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
255(255) (topicUI) bugs open, 305(305) (needsUXEval)
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added 11(1)  25(-2)48(3)  103(3)  
 commented 45(-12)   158(-4)   363(-21)   1534(-32)
   removed  0(0)   0(0)  0(0)6(1)  
  resolved  2(0)   8(-1)30(0)  129(-2) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Thomas Lendo made 110 changes in 1 month, and 316 changes in 1 year
  Zolnai, Tamás made 106 changes in 1 month, and 202 changes in 1 year
  Tietze, Heiko made 45 changes in 1 month, and 544 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 34 changes in 1 month, and 232 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 18 changes in 1 month, and 287 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 16 changes in 1 month, and 72 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 14 changes in 1 month, and 44 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 10 changes in 1 month, and 133 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 7 changes in 1 month, and 155 changes in 1 year
+ More tickets on harmonization of context menus and toolbar
  (mostly rearrangement)
 + to make appear the same in all modules.
+ Some requests to improve FF persona
  + more tickets about it, and interest.
  + show thumbnail of downloaded firefox bits etc.
+ Undo and redo enhancement
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=120809
+ Table protected cells: Add possibility to disable warning message
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=120726

* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ 5 (-1) import failure, 4(+3) export failures
+ relatively stable
+ bisected a crash for Laszlo 
+ 8 (-1) coverity issues
+ down a bit  
+ Google / ossfuzz:
+ finding more things this week.
+ 12 issues, 2 serious
+ ForcePoint, round 9
+ 4 writer layout issues
+ got one cleared a couple of weeks ago
+ couple of other issues
+ end of Jan. embargo for one lower prio issue.
   + hopefully Miklos can poke at it post spec. update.
+ another issue in progress at higher prio.
  struggling to agree an embargo with AOO
+ PVS Studio
+ got all of their warnings from them in a dump
+ thanks to all who have helped: Caolan, MikeK, Xisco, Michael S
+ a large amount of false positives
   + confusion around operator overloads pwrt. >>= etc.
+ tone was somewhat unhelpful
+ cherry-picked the 1 correct finding of 50 false positives
+ then again – still bugs we can fix; nothing frightening though.

* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.7.2
 + 441 (last 7 days) (-69)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.6.2
 + 1317 (last 7 days) (-82)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.0.3
 + 1241 (last 7 days) (-107)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.1.2
 + 1226 (last 7 days) (-90)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.2.1
 + 4023 (last 7 days) (+655)
+ missing symbols – all mergelo.dll with no traces.
+ some Windows 10 issues related to an upgrade
  higher crashes this week for the same builds / something new

* DINAcon - Bern / 

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of conference ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Xisco, Thorsten, Stephan, Miklos, Cloph, Eike, Michael M,
  Michael S., Olivier, Michael W, Caolan, Kendy
+ plus other conference attendees.

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
+ default bitergia filter for master + libreoffice-* (Christian)
[ enabled for gerrit (default) view enabled, but default git
  view needs improving with external script ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ as per the public wiki, time-based release plan.
+ sub-divided by major releases etc.
+ 6.0.7 RC1 - due next week
+ final planned 6.0 version
+ 6.1.2 RC1 (one release cycle)
+ about to release this.
+ typically announced Thur - today is Thur ...
+ 6.1.3 RC1 - Week start Oct 15th
+ 6.2 Alpha 1
+ due in ~2 weeks.
+ Remotes
+ no news.
+ Android viewer
+ plagued by bug causing crash on K/B input
+ caused(?) by build environment upgrade
+ could reproduce it on an older build that worked in the past
+ discussed removing the editing features from public version
+ have it only for Alpha/Beta programme users
+ either download/side-load, or click
  "want to participate in alpha programme"
+ Isn't it already an option (Ash)
+ yes, but may be enabled already, bigger test set
+ if crashes when you choose to edit
+ hard to stabilize, without sample docs etc.
+ can we add meta-data to crash report ? (Miklos)
+ is editing enabled or not ?
+ used to be possible to throw an exception + text (Kendy)
+ can't get that into the crash dump anymore
+ would need to have a dialog + E-mail instead.
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ finished "Getting Started" book - now published
+ having a break before next release.
+ new help (old help -> HTML, shown in browser)
+ starting new improvements of content & new features
+ continuing to work on documenting new features with no help.
+ a great place to contribute (Michael)
+ developing a help editor to make life easier for newcomers (Olivier)
+ idea - a way to make authoring Help-XML easier
+ also easier to validate
+ have the editor on-line, with link to gerrit submission
+ new help will be shown in next documentation session.

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
247(247) (topicUI) bugs open, 295(295) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months
 added 14(9) 27(2) 41(5)   98(6)
 commented 57(23)   172(2)371(4) 1560(11)
   removed  0(0)  1(1)  2(1)6(-2)
  resolved  2(1)  6(-1)29(-2) 138(-3)
+ top 10 contributors:
  Kainz, Andreas made 87 changes in 1 month, and 184 changes in 1 year
  Tietze, Heiko made 78 changes in 1 month, and 573 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 73 changes in 1 month, and 258 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 21 changes in 1 month, and 288 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 15 changes in 1 month, and 96 changes in 1 year
  Monastirsky, Maxim made 12 changes in 1 month, and 57 changes in 1 
year
  Drew Jensen made 12 changes in 1 month, and 12 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 9 changes in 1 month, and 142 changes in 1 year
  Telesto made 7 changes in 1 month, and 66 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 7 changes in 1 month, and 39 changes in 1 year

 => revert this week unless someone takes an interest in fixing …
 + Nickson submitted a patch https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/60787/
  “[09:01]  Htietze: the commit switches the default caption
   so if its a new document then use figure as the category but if the
   document already uses illustration (i.e, pre 6.1) then make
   illustration the default category”
 + Fix hopefully forthcoming

* Deprecate Mozilla Persona and trust in locally installed only (Heiko)
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=119868
  + thanks to Mohammed we have a patch to update the HTML parser
  + takes ~ages for each thumbnail
  + possible to improve things; still a question if we should
remove ability to retrieve data from the server
 + should we do that ?
  + Mohammed working on making it easier to bundle personas
  + we plan to ship our own personas / customizations in 6.2
  + a great feature
  + like to bundle personas as extensions
  + enriching things like 'dark themes'
  + proposal to deprecate Mozilla's bits
 + up to Mohammed

* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ 4 (-516) import failure, 39(+3) export failures
+ strange 

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Jmux, Caolan, Michael W, Miklos, Michael M, Olivier, Kendy, Stephan,
  Heiko, Christian, Thorsten

* Completed Action Items:
+ discuss Google Code-in at staff meeting (Sophie, Heiko, Xisco)
[ deadline for orgs to be registered on Monday (Xisco)
 + still discussing, but require 150-500 tasks …
 + triage a bug ? (Michael) ]
+ filter out ‘Pootle bot’ and ‘*DUMMY*’ from top reviewers (Xisco)
[ done & updated minutes ]
+ mail reporters directly to ask for help re: (Xisco)
  https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=119250
[ mailed 4, answers from 2 – which Windows version & try master …
  none of them tried master yet ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ default bitergia filter for master + libreoffice-* (Christian)
[ enabled for gerrit (default) view enabled, but default git
  view needs improving with external script ]
  
* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.0.7 – due in October
+ 6.1.1 RC2 status
+ released today.
+ 6.1.2 RC1 (one release cycle)
+ due next week.
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ did work without debug – in release mode.
+ Online
+ 6.1.1 - up-loaded

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
+ fix more bookmark issues (ohallot)
+ replaced PNG icons with SVG in XSLT. (ohallot)
   + SVG Colibre now in Help packages (ohallot)
   [q] Should we change in Help source file instead?
   + will have to review icons for a11y anyway
   + stick with it in the transformation for now ? (Kendy)
   + can’t be automated; need to do it icon-by-icon
 the alt=”” tag needs re-writing (Olivier)
   + alt=”” should have a more meaningful icon description
   + ideal for easy hacks (Michael)
   + best not to focus Olivier on it (Kendy)
+ Helpcontent2
+ fixes and additions (S. Horacek, Fitoshido, M. Kaganski, A. Gelmini)
+ mute L10n on many symbol table entries (ohallot, fitoshido)
+ Guides
+ finished “Getting Started LibreOffice 6.0”
+ working on announcement, blogpost, web pages for download

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
246(246) (topicUI) bugs open, 295(295) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  9(1) 24(3) 37(1)   98(-1) 
 commented 59(7)165(24)   370(7) 1611(-39)
   removed  0(0)  0(0)  1(0)8(-1) 
  resolved  3(1)  8(-1)31(0)  145(0)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Kainz, Andreas made 135 changes in 1 month, and 179 changes in 1 year
  Tietze, Heiko made 84 changes in 1 month, and 616 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 40 changes in 1 month, and 323 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 38 changes in 1 month, and 228 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 20 changes in 1 month, and 255 changes in 1 year
  Monastirsky, Maxim made 16 changes in 1 month, and 57 changes in 1 
year
  dieterp made 14 changes in 1 month, and 138 changes in 1 year
  Henschel, Regina made 8 changes in 1 month, and 86 changes in 1 year
  Roman Kuznetsov made 6 changes in 1 month, and 38 changes in 1 year
  Harald Koester made 6 changes in 1 month, and 16 changes in 1 year
  New tickets since Sep/06 (besides about context menu)
   * UI: "Format" button in outline/chapter numbering dialog not 
self-explanatory
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108890
 + rename button

   * Drawing styles at the sidebar lack of background and border color
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=119729
 + easyHack, needsDevEval

   * CTRL+ALT+E isn't opening the extension dialog but inserts a "é"
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=119676
 + bug?, see also 118269 
 + why do we have a hot-key for that dialog ? (Michael) 
+ not only this – other shortcuts with ctrl-alt (Heiko)
   + can we bisect it, find & prioritize it ? (Michael)

   * Direct formatting control text Highlighting mode  not toggling off
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=119753
 + controversial; discussion postponed

   * Discussion about persona ongoing
 + https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/msg08820.html
 + patch for now submitted by mkara 
https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/60432/
 + do we announce it is deprecated ? Find a better sol’n ?
 + in the past – Mozilla planned a more stable API (Kendy)
+ didn’t happen – some GSOC student worked on that.
+ unclear if it happened.
 + most ideal to proxy their content (Michael)

   * Image caption, inconsistency: caption for images is 

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Stephan, Heiko, Olivier, Miklos, Jan-Marek, Caolan, Xisco, Sophie,
  Christian, Michael M, Michael W, Thorsten

* Completed Action Items:
+ tinderboxes setup with new dev-tools (Christian)
[ done – both 32 and 64bit based on CentOS6 – with official tools
  and 32bit has COPR, also new autotools from PDL repos.
  now up to gcc-7.3.1. 
  mostly brings us into C++ 2017 (Stephan)
  + found guarenteed copy ellision is not there yet on.
  conference decision / discussion on CentOS7 ? (Thorsten)
  + love to discuss it at the conference.
  + having native KDE5 there would be great. ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ default bitergia filter for master + libreoffice-* (Christian)
[ enabled for gerrit (default) view enabled, but default git
  view needs improving with external script ]
  
* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.0.7 – due in October
+ 6.1.1 RC2 status
+ hoping to tag later today.
+ still two waiting in the 6.1.1 queue
+ time until 9pm German time.
+ 6.1.2 shortened cycle to just one RC
+ Remotes
+
+ Android viewer
+ any keyboard input crashes it
+ no obvious change in Android bits
+ debugger not working either
+ perhaps bisecting ...
+ might be nice to have an APK bibisect (Michael)
+ Online
+ needs a 6.1.1

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
 + Patches for improving icons visualization
 + Change icons from PNG to SVG for better resolution
+ Help contents
 + refactor pages on using strings vs numbers
+ Help editor
 + patches for autocompletion (Mike Saunders)
 + wiki pages on Help editing and XML
+ Guides
 + 2 chapters left to handover.
+ preliminary look at a11y linting of web-help.
 + needs xhp updates too.

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
246(246) (topicUI) bugs open, 295(295) (needsUXEval)
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month3 months   12 months  
 added  8(-3) 21(1)  36(2)   99(2)  
 commented 52(-14)   141(-10)   363(6) 1650(-33)
   removed  0(0)   0(0)   1(0)9(0)  
  resolved  2(-1)  9(-4) 31(1)  145(0)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Kainz, Andreas made 120 changes in 1 month, and 162 changes in 1 year
  Tietze, Heiko made 53 changes in 1 month, and 603 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 27 changes in 1 month, and 317 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 21 changes in 1 month, and 216 changes in 1 year
  Monastirsky, Maxim made 19 changes in 1 month, and 57 changes in 1 
year
  dieterp made 12 changes in 1 month, and 134 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 12 changes in 1 month, and 254 changes in 1 year
  Nabet, Julien made 12 changes in 1 month, and 35 changes in 1 year
  Kaganski, Mike made 9 changes in 1 month, and 73 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 7 changes in 1 month, and 36 changes in 1 year
  + menu reorganization: depth of rational ...
+ comments in 
+ reverted & Andreas started again from scratch
+ ideal to have harmonization over modules.
+ priority is that it is familiar (Michael)
+ important to make things more usable (Thorsten)
   + but familiarity of hot-key sequences is really important.
+ are there changes at all ? (Heiko)
   + would ideally like a choice of UI pieces.

New needsUXEval from Aug/30-Sep/05

 * No keyboard shortcuts for next/previous heading
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=119665

 * There isn't tool Gradient from toolbar Transformations on Sidebar
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=119689

 * Document comparison option not to take into account style changes
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=119605

 * Implement "Most recent fields inserted"
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=119594

For discussion

 * Personas not found again (seems root cause is different than tdf#114731)
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=118881
   + remove the feature or make it an extension
   + replace by (hard-coded?) color schemes (night mode alike)
   + can we ship a few by default (Michael)
  + allow to modify it later by extension (Heiko)
 + don’t like to move things to an extension (Stephan)
 + data-content has to be incorporated
 + its an interface; hard to spot and break etc.
 + careful with these.
  + reasonably well specified XML + imgs (Michael)
 + not against it – but want it done well (Stephan)
 + extensions not a panacea etc.
  + current state – parse HTML from Mozilla manually 

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[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Heiko, Stephan, Olivier, Michael S, Michael M, Sophie, Xisco,
  Christian, JMux

* Completed Action Items:
+ get download numbers for 32bit Linux (Christian)
https://downloadcounter.libreoffice.org/chart/install_by_os 
[ Windows 4:1 for 64:32 bit
  Linux 3:1 for 64:32 bit or so
  5k-7k 32bit downloads per week on Linux ]
+ build stats on Wed. vs. Thur moving meetings (Heiko)

* Pending Action Items:
+ default bitergia filter for master + libreoffice-* (Christian)
[ no info after the fact for which branch a commit was done.
  Unclear which way – add to data gathering daemon or add
  additional data later.
+ Useful to filter early (Michael)
+ should be possible to add raw data to filter command (Christian)
   bool for master or not ]
+ add 6.2 release plan to the overview in the wiki (Christian)
[ pending, along with 6.1 update ]
  
* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.0.7 – due in October
+ 6.1.1 RC1 update
+ still not tagged; fixed for numbertext data in gerrit 
+ now ready to do a new tag, need to shift release of RC2 date.
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New help
 + fixes in screenshot handling in XLST (ohallot)
 + several tweaks in JS and HTML (kendy)
 + fixes in bookmarks
+ Helpcontent
 + Help pages for image compression w. screenshots (ohallot)
 + fixes in help contents (M. Kagansky, ohallot, S. Shröder, S. 
Horacek) 
+ Guides
 + More chapters reviewed.

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
246(246) (topicUI) bugs open, 292(292) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month3 months   12 months  
 added  6(-2)17(2)  30(4)   94(3)  
 commented 31(-7)   153(-13)   310(2) 1666(-48)
   removed  0(0)  0(0)   1(0)9(0)  
  resolved  1(-1)15(0)  27(-1) 147(-5) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 48 changes in 1 month, and 608 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 40 changes in 1 month, and 253 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 32 changes in 1 month, and 318 changes in 1 year
  Nabet, Julien made 26 changes in 1 month, and 40 changes in 1 year
  Kaganski, Mike made 24 changes in 1 month, and 73 changes in 1 year
  Timur made 24 changes in 1 month, and 81 changes in 1 year
  Telesto made 19 changes in 1 month, and 83 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 12 changes in 1 month, and 47 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 12 changes in 1 month, and 150 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 10 changes in 1 month, and 232 changes in 1 year
New tickets Aug/17-22

  + 117972 Empty string (solved)
  + 119360 Inconsistent labels protect/protected in Insert/Edit
  + some tickets on harmonization of context menu (in review)

  + 79022 Italic weight for Source Sans Pro available 
(https://github.com/adobe-fonts/source-serif-pro/issues/2#issuecomment-413925880
 )

Changes done

 + Writer templates are generated during build now (Laurent BP)
    + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/58787/
+ https://opengrok.libreoffice.org/xref/core/extras/README 
+ a first step for template localisation ?

 + Menu reorganization in Calc (Andreas K)
    + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/56912/
    + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/6.2#Calc
+ have release notes that show what is new.
+ to check – there is significant benefit
  to outweigh muscle-memory pain ? (Michael)
+ no-one complained beforehand (Heiko)
+ idea of harmonization of menus accepted.
+ change is carefully done.

* Crash Reporting (missing Caolan)
+ 0(-2) import failure, 0(-5) export failures
+ ??? 0 coverity issues
+ Google / ossfuzz: down for a while, build fixed again
  - ?? 15 issues, 5 series
  - build fixed now again
+ ForcePoint, round 9
  - ?? 38 issues, 5 unfixed, all writer layout
  - complicated, slow progress
  
* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.7.2
 + 434 (last 7 days) (+22)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.4.2
 + 731 (last 7 days) (+94)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.5.2
 + 1042 (last 7 days) (+73)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.6.2
 + 434 (last 7 days) (+100)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.0.3
 + 1626 (last 7 days) (+481)
 + top new crash in 6.1.0.3 in GL – looks like locking

* GSoC schedule (Heiko)
   + Mentors Submit Final Evaluations: 

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[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Olivier, Sophie, Christian, Heiko, Xisco, Michael W, Stephan,
  Michael S, Michael M, Caolan, Eike

* Completed Action Items:
+ mail budget spreadsheet to the board (Thorsten)

* Pending Action Items:

* Release Engineering update (Christian) 
+ 6.0.6 – rc2 this week
+ only 2 patches submitted earlier today -so prlly not tag it today
  + more like tomorrow evening to tag it.  
+ 6.1.0 RC3 update
+ next week – going as scheduled.  
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online
+ need an rc3 – Timar back soon.

* Documentation (Olivier)
 + New Help
+ missing icons fixed
+ more bookmarks fixing
+ some progress with Help editing online (M Saunders)
   + Added code snippets to editor CodeMirror (M Saunders)
+ People joining to improve new help
   + e.g. change PNG icons to SVG icons (tdf#117551)
   + needs a change in pootle too – to avoid re-translation
+ please help review 6.1.x help patches
 + Help contents
+ Some updates bits (g. Kelemen, ohallot, Caolan, Miklos, A. Gelmini)
 + Guides
+ New chapters ready (Chapter 5 – Calc)
+ Assembling book
 + did we solve the link.txt issue ? (Heiko)
+ yes – created an XSL transform that re-maps these (Olivier H)
+ shouldn’t need to re-do this
+ we can change icons inside XHP files and drop link.txt (ohallot)
+ eager to get rid of linkstxt (Heiko)
+ duplication is bad – don’t like that (Michael)

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
250(250) (topicUI) bugs open, 288(288)  (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  5(-10)16(-8)24(-6)  92(-5) 
 commented 60(12)160(20)   311(25)1695(-7) 
   removed  0(-1)  1(0)  1(0)   10(-1) 
  resolved  2(-2)  9(0) 19(-1) 155(-15)
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 60 changes in 1 month, and 673 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 41 changes in 1 month, and 206 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 33 changes in 1 month, and 257 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 25 changes in 1 month, and 318 changes in 1 year
  Timur made 19 changes in 1 month, and 62 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 16 changes in 1 month, and 42 changes in 1 year
  muso made 15 changes in 1 month, and 15 changes in 1 year
  Nabet, Julien made 13 changes in 1 month, and 29 changes in 1 year
  Henschel, Regina made 12 changes in 1 month, and 93 changes in 1 year
  Faure, Jean-Baptiste made 11 changes in 1 month, and 47 changes in 1 
year

 + 118881 Personas not found again (seems root cause is different than 
tdf#114731)
   + 
http://document-foundation-mail-archive.969070.n3.nabble.com/About-Persona-lightweight-themes-td4244320.html
   + https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2018/07/12/upcoming-changes-for-themes/
   + suspect that this has been blocked.  
   + are personas used at all ?
+ yes they are used (Heiko)
 + keep it & it should be usable.
   + depending on someone else’s service is not great (Michael)
+ would love to have a few pre-canned personas shipped
+ and allow new ones in extensions or somesuch.

 + 118854 Style not Visible in List of Styles if Font is White
   and Background is not White
   + previous decision is WYSIWYG – will discuss it again etc.

 + design request for a banner for 6.1 
http://document-foundation-mail-archive.969070.n3.nabble.com/Banner-for-AMA-and-6-1-release-tc4244462.html
   + needed for the 6.1 release. 

* Fuzz / Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ 17(-3) import failures, 114(+110) export failures
+ exploded – but have fixed the ~110 excel export failures
 + nothing thread related there.
+ coverity
+ 0 (+0, -17)
+ down to zero for 1st time in 12 months. 
+ forcepoint round #8
+ smaller set of issues here – only 7
+ now all fixed, 0 outstanding.
+ oss-fuzz 10 (-3), 0 major, 10 minor
+ 3 fixed there, nothing major outstanding. 
   + lots of OOM stuff here – but not real
 + can’t release memory from excessive string concats
 + great way to find perf. issues here ...
  
* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.7.2
 + 535 (last 7 days) (+1)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.4.2
 + 851 (last 7 days) (-116)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.5.2
 + 1360 (last 7 days) (+68)

+ Fix for top / 4th  cherry-picked to 6-0-6
 + Thanks to Markus Mohrhard
+ 

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[Michael Meeks]

  + thanks to Caolan.

+ EDITING: Crash while selecting cell format with double-click
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=115950
+ thanks to Eike & Kendy

+ PivotTable: the last row of a worksheet can't be used:
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=118620
    + thanks to Michael Meeks.

+ CRASH: Writer crashes inserting a section
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=118377
+ thanks to Armin.

+ CRASH: Draw just closes if to try select table in file
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=118354
+ Thanks to Armin


* QA stats
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/page.cgi?id=weekly-bug-summary.html
  +137  +7 (-125) overall)
  many thanks to the top bug squashers:
   Xisco Faulí 19
   Buovjaga18
   V Stuart Foote  15
   andreas_k   7
   Markus Mohrhard 7
   Timur   7
   Eike Rathke 5
   Justin L4
   Adolfo Jayme4
   Mark Hung   3

+ top 10 bugs reporters:
   Telesto 22
   Gabor Kelemen   8
   Xisco Faulí 6
   Drew Jensen 5
   Aron Budea  3
   Harald Koester  2
   Timur   2
   Mark Hung   2
   Jim Raykowski   2
   Hikmet Baş  2

+ top 10 bugs fixers:
   Foote, V Stuart 10
   Xisco Faulí 8
   Kainz, Andreas  7
   Adolfo Jayme Barrientos 4
   Mohrhard, Markus4
   Hung, Mark  3
   McNamara, Caolán3
   Justin L2
   Buovjaga2
   Rathke, Eike2

+ top 10 bugs confirmers:
   Buovjaga44
   Xisco Faulí 42
   Dieter Praas14
   Foote, V Stuart 5
   Telesto 4
   Timur   3
   Raal3
   Drew Jensen 3
   Kelemen, Gabor  3
   Kaganski, Mike  3


* Highest-Priority bugs (aka "MABs"):
   + http://bit.ly/2lJAAJI
 6.0 : 4/45 - 8 %  (+4)
 5.4 : 2/38 - 5 %  (+0)
 5.3 : 1/53 - 1 %  (+0)
 5.2 : 1/41 - 2 %  (+0)
 5.1 : 0/35 - 0 %  (+0)
 5.0 : 2/63 - 3 %  (+0)
 4.4 : 1/76 - 1 %  (+0)
 4.3 : 2/73 - 2 %  (+0)
 4.2 : 5/134 -3 %  (+0)
 4.1 : 3/84 - 3 %  (+0)
 4.0 : 4/83 - 4 %  (+0)
 old : 19/257 -   7 %  (+0)


* Bisected bugs open: keyword 'bisected'
   + more accurate - down to a single commit.
   + http://bit.ly/2dyIfDy
   + 561/2371 549/2337 538/2301 537/2290 539/2275 530/2253 519/2225 

 done by:
Xisco Faulí   22
Buovjaga   8
Telesto1
Budea, Áron1
Raal   1
 

* Bibisected bugs open: keyword 'bibisected'
   + http://bit.ly/2cSCXlS
   + 731/3091 710/3046 678/2988 654/2953 656/2936 648/2910 630/2873 

 done by:
Xisco Faulí   25
Buovjaga  15
Telesto1
Budea, Áron1
Raal   1


* all bugs tagged with 'regression'
   + 969(+6) bugs open of 7311(+36) total 17(+2) high prio.

 done by:
Xisco Faulí   18
Buovjaga   6
Telesto5
Timur  2
MM 1
Jacques Guilleron  1
Budea, Áron1
perie_gut  1
Raal   1


* ~Component   count net * high severity regressions
   + http://bit.ly/1HWHb3E
 Writer- 9(+4)
 Impress   - 2(+0)
 Calc  - 2(-1)
 LibreOffice   - 2(-1)
 framework - 1(+0)
 Draw  - 1(+0)

   by OS:
 Mac OS X  - 0(+0)
 Linux - 0(-1)
 Windows   - 5(+3)
 All   - 12(+0)


* ~Component   count net * all regressions
   + http://bit.ly/1BUdI8i
 Writer: other- 221(+6)
 Calc - 164(+2)
 Impress  - 106(-3)
 Writer: docx filter  - 81(+1)
 LibreOffice  - 68(-2)
 UI   - 46(+0)
 Base - 33(+3)
 Borders  - 33(+0)
 Crashes  - 33(+2)
 Draw - 33(-1)
 Writer: doc filter   - 32(-1)
 graphics stack   - 30(-2)
 filters and storage  - 29(+1)
 Writer: other filter - 27(+0)
 Writer: perf - 26(+1)
 Chart- 22(+0)
 BASIC- 19(-1)
 Pr

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[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Michael W, Michael M, Olivier, Michael S, Kendy, Thorsten,

* Completed Action Items:
+ poke Jmux; https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=117936 
(Xisco)
+ Fixed in 
+ fad862e290d727fc9fefe206f6e4b807482c4175
+ b22244a2eb8d558499d2ffdb2cca5ddb44f3
+ ca4e75d694a5fb41a1c800146319aa6ba34d8bab
+ Thanks to Jan-Marek   
+ Run meeting on TDF Jitsi http://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/esc 
(Christian)
+ Jitsi – URL not case sensitive luckily.

* Pending Action Items:
+ Submit Tirana / conference papers:
 + https://libocon.org/2018/call-for-papers/ 
 + extended deadline is July 15th – this Sunday [!]
+ Windows tinderbox/build-bot owners to parallel install VS2017
+ on ESC share - “Budget2018” - add your ranking before this week’s call [!]
 + Cudos to Eike, Olivier, Bubli, Stephan, Michael W, Noel, Xisco, 
Miklos
 + hard stares at others … still – have some ranking
 + push out to next Thursday call (better attended)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ [ Christian sady missing … ]
+ 6.0.6 – rc1 due this week (Jul 10)
+ 6.1.0 RC2 – next week – July 17
+ now commits to 6-1 branch need review  
  + also string freeze
 + also includes html help switch for distro branches
+ 6.1 late features
+ calc threading default / fixing (Miklos)
   + *DONE*, just bugfixing
 + Eike: question to disable precautiously?
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online
+ simplifying iOS build re translations

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New help in RC1
 + Windows installation bug found, bug fixed. (many thanks to mst)
 + enhancement in page UI CSS + JS (buovjaga, fitoshido)
 + interesting new features.
 + latest 6.1 snapshot uploaded for online help
+ Help contents
 + Corrections (fitoshido, ohallot)
 + also feedback from the translators
+ Guides,
 + assembling book with available revised chapters
+ hit some bugs with master documents
+ one already fixed thanks to mst
 + revisions stalled again

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
249(249) (topicUI) bugs open, 278(278) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  3(2)10(3)  17(1)   83(3)  
 commented 31(10)   90(21)240(-18)   1656(-3) 
   removed  0(0) 0(0)   0(0)   10(0)  
  resolved  1(0) 7(1)  17(-4) 171(1)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 38 changes in 1 month, and 723 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 28 changes in 1 month, and 252 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 24 changes in 1 month, and 171 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 18 changes in 1 month, and 38 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 11 changes in 1 month, and 326 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 10 changes in 1 month, and 34 changes in 1 year
  Henschel, Regina made 7 changes in 1 month, and 95 changes in 1 year
  Timur made 6 changes in 1 month, and 49 changes in 1 year

+ personal note: on vacation for the next two weeks

* Fuzz / Crash Testing (Caolan on vacation)
+ 44(-16) import failure, 3(+0) export failures 
+ new numbers from last friday
+ 3 export crashers
+ all writer failures.
+ 45 import crashers
+ 3 writer, rest spreadsheets.
+ expect all calc crashes fixed (Michael M)
+ crash testing script now running normally again (Michael S)
+ 1st thing did pull dev-tools repo from an invalid URL.
+ was in state of 2015 on this server.
+ new stuff broke things for a while then fixed it.
+ now working again.
+ validation now connected into here.
+ same custom schema as used in unit-tests …
+ quite a few issues reported.
+ coverity
+ ??
+ forcepoint ??
+ oss-fuzz ?? (?? outstanding, ?? minor)
  
* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.7.2
 + 489 (last 7 days) (0)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.4.2
 + 1127 (last 7 days) (-327)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.5.2
 + 1095 (last 7 days) (+205)

 + Updater was enabled, looks better than for previous version
 + Top 2 and Top 4 crashes in 6.0.5.2 fixed for 6.0.6
* Budget ranking (Thorsten)
   + on ESC share - “Budget2018” - add your ranking.
   + please rank stuff … before next week – but ~no-one here ...

* GSoC schedule (Kendy)
   + Coding: May 14 - August 6
   + please tell students to send a 

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[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Sophie, Olivier, Michael W, Michael M, Heiko, Christian, Kendy,
  Xisco, Caolan, Stephan, Eike, Michael S, Thorsten

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
+ disable HSQLDB auto-migration for now except for experimental (Tamas B)
   [ ongoing ]
+ Budget ranking by next week (All)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ no releases planned this week.
+ 6.0.5 – RC2 status
+ tagged this week; all builds except Linux-32 on pre-release server
   + re-building Linux-32
   + expect to announce it as final tomorrow
   + very few patches vs. rc1.
+ 6.1.0 beta 2 status
+ released it on Sunday.
+ 6.1 late features
+ calc threading default / fixing (Michael)
   + pleased with progress, few issues open
   + recursion issues nailed, cleaned-up.
   + suggest leaving it on for the .0 release
  + hesitant yes (Eike)   
   + crash-testing done (Caolan)
  + before “extra threading” 2-3 moved to 37 issues
  + will continue to work on that (Michael)
 + easy to turn off in an RC if necessary.
+ writer – red-lining re-factoring (Michael S)
   + nothing happened last week,
   + thorsten merged stuff to 6.1 – in disabled state 
  + easy to play with environment variable.  
   + not on as experimental feature – doesn’t work well enough yet.
   + got a new crash (Xisco)
  + Michael to poke soon.  
+ Help format (Stephan/Olivier)
   + with extension, dialog, we load old-style help viewer
 for all extensions installed
   + extension help still not integrated well.
   + not added into the hierarchy or integrated into indexes.
   + fixes very old bug wrt. on-line help usage too.
   + slightly less featureful, but somewhat working. 
   + extended tooltips don’t work with the new help
  + not going to work on that from now (Stephan)
   + discussion to move tooltips to a field in the dialogs (Olivier)
  + placeholder in dialog widgets for tooltips.
  + Tomaz V has some scripts that might help.
   + what should we do ?
  + go ahead & fix things when we get time (Olivier)
 + lots of advantages from new help
 + main issue is to disconnect from the old help
   => lets go with it and hope for resource to fix tooltips
AI:   + enable new help for tinderboxes (Christian)
+ Get-involved info-bar & Help/About menu (Kendy)
   + merged.
+ Making the Notebookbar non-experimental (Heiko)
   + will not be ready – needs communicating   
   => will not happen in 6.1
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
   + tweaks in CSS (fitoshido, buovjaga)
   + Fixes in some XML/XSLT rendering (ohallot)

+ Help pages contents
   + some cleanups, fix typos, fix contents (SophiaS, A Gelmini, ohallot)
   + New pages on Basic Internal Libraries (ohallot)
   + undocumented since OO.o
   + Handy macros for the Basic programmer
   + Question raised: Are these libs supported ?
   + if present & used for decades sounds sensible (Michael)

 + Guides: More reviews arriving for publication
   + 60% review done
   + Working on migrating ODFAuthors PLONE to TDF’s NC+LOOL.   

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
246(246) (topicUI) bugs open, 290(290) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  5(5) 5(3)  21(1)   87(-1) 
 commented 23(10)   48(2) 315(-26)   1694(-43)
   removed  0(0) 0(0)   1(-1)  10(-1) 
  resolved  1(0) 4(0)  24(-1) 172(-3) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 19 changes in 1 month, and 741 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 17 changes in 1 month, and 36 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 13 changes in 1 month, and 300 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 10 changes in 1 month, and 321 changes in 1 year
  dieterp made 8 changes in 1 month, and 129 changes in 1 year
  Timur made 7 changes in 1 month, and 48 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 6 changes in 1 month, and 241 changes in 1 year
  Raal made 6 changes in 1 month, and 17 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 4 changes in 1 month, and 158 changes in 1 year
  eisa01 made 4 changes in 1 month, and 7 changes in 1 year

   + Drop IME (File > View > Input Method Status and underlying code)
   + 

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[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Kendy, Miklos, Sophie, Christian, Michael S, Michael M, Eike, Lionel,
  Heiko, Olivier, Caolan, Stephan, Thorsten, Xisco, Tamas B

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ no releases planned this week.
+ 6.0.5 – RC2
+ early next week
+ 6.1.0 beta 2 next week …
+ was optional, but worth having near end of week.
+ 6.1 late features
+ calc threading default / fixing (Miklos)
   + ongoing – more fixes this week.
+ writer – red-lining re-factoring (Michael S)
   + doesn’t quite work yet, but want to get it into master soon
  + get it in tomorrow, and continue later to finish it
  + expect another couple of weeks until it can be enabled
in experimental mode. 
   + desirable to get it into 6.1 (Thorsten)
  + have kill-switch to turn it off
   + lets get it into master & decide next week wrt. 6.1 
+ Help format (Stephan)
   + various make file dependency fixes
+ Get-involved info-bar & Help/About menu (Kendy)
   + plan to get it before next ESC.  
+ flat MIME icons (Andreas K)
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=117456
   + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/54990/
   + documentation team informed
+ Renewed the Windows certificate for another year (watch out QA).
   + everything working nicely. 
+ Remotes
+ iOS remote pending Apple’s approval.
+ Android viewer
+ Online
+ up-loaded a beta1

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
+ Fixes in Makefiles for media (thanks to Stephan Bergman)
+ Tweaks in UI CSS (Adolfo Barrientos)
+ Fix  in XSLT
+ Help contents
+ New Pages for MAXIFS, MINIFS, (ohallot)
+ refactoring of ‘IFS functions (ohallot)
+ reduces workload for translation
+ files cleanups and visual enhancements (S Schröder)
+ Fixes and typos (Adolfo, ohallot)
+ Master vs 6.1: backport help pages?, New Help?
+ no approval needed yet (Michael)
+ Guides and Books
+ Further reviews on GS 6.0 chapters by Jean Weber
+ Assembling book on going (ohallot)
+ spent some days in São Paulo with the local team 

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
247(247) (topicUI) bugs open, 309(309) (needsUXEval)
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  2(1) 3(-4) 25(-8)  99(-4) 
 commented 10(2)56(-54)   409(-52)   1812(-78)
   removed  0(0) 0(0)   2(0)   11(0)  
  resolved  1(-1)5(0)  29(-2) 177(-3) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 28 changes in 1 month, and 795 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 13 changes in 1 month, and 333 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 12 changes in 1 month, and 381 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 9 changes in 1 month, and 26 changes in 1 year
  Pedro made 8 changes in 1 month, and 25 changes in 1 year
  Ilhan Yesil made 7 changes in 1 month, and 10 changes in 1 year
  Timur made 7 changes in 1 month, and 59 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 5 changes in 1 month, and 265 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 4 changes in 1 month, and 153 changes in 1 year
  A.Holtsmark made 4 changes in 1 month, and 8 changes in 1 year
  + Guideline for floating widgets
+ should clearly identified as detachable, stay on top, 
  close on escape, look like a tool-window
+ https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Selection#Appearance

  + Keyboard shortcut to move cols/rows in Calc
+ Proposal via mode switch; enable a different / movement mode (?)
+ surely WYSIWYG editors try to avoid modes ? (Michael)

  + Mojave dark mode request (tdf#118017)

* Fuzz / Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ 10(+4) import failures, 9(+6) export failures
+ 2 exports – mst layout asserts.
+ expect related to Bitmap / threading changes.
+ coverity
+ 3 (+0, -13)
+ forcepoint round 7.
+ 11 docs → 4 root issues.
+ 1 outstanding
   + a hang – intractable layout loop
+ oss-fuzz ?? (15 outstanding, 12 minor, lots of font cache unreproducibles)
+ lots of irreproducible ones.

* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.6.2 
  + 547 (last 7 days) (-177)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.7.2
  + 489 (last 7 days) (+149)

+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.3.2
  + 993(last 7 days) (-174)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.4.2
  + 1793 (last 7 days) (+565)

+ Top 1 crash: MultiSalLayout::AdjustLayout(ImplLayoutArgs &)

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[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
  + Michael M, Lionel, Sophie, Heiko, Eike, Caolan, Olivier,
Stephan, Michael W, Miklos, Sophie, Kendy, Christian, Kendy

* Completed Action Items:
+ poke people who didn’t fill out the evening (Thorsten)
+ fill out (both) polls:
+ run dev-certification script again (Kendy)
+ turn budget ideas into a spreadsheet for ranking (Thorsten)
[ on the ESC share ... ]

* Pending Action Items:

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.0.5 – RC1 – next week.
+ 6.1.0 beta 1 – Feature Freeze May 24th 
+ not tagged yet - planned after the call. 
+ looks ok, some Jenkins hiccups
+ tinderboxes mended 
+ 6.1 late features
+ calc threading default / fixing (Miklos)
   + ongoing - lots of fixes this week.
   + hope to run crash-testing again … some pending patches.
   + clearly getting closer
   + updated #’s – left threading enabled (Caolan)
   + run – before the last fix from Dennis.
   + expect to go down tomorrow, day after.
+ writer – red-lining re-factoring (Michael S)
+ KDE5 work (Bubli/Thorsten)
+ Help format (Stephan)
   + looking better this week
   + one outstanding issue with duplicated files
+ Renewed the Windows certificate for another year (watch out QA).
+ Remotes
+ iOS remote pending Apple’s approval.
+ Android viewer
+ Online
+ waiting for -6-1 branch.

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
 + Packaging patches from Stephan
 + thanks ! will test.
 + addresses moving files in media/ sub-folder to lang-packs 
(Stephan)
 + unclear how to address extensions.
 + Fix media path issues for XSLT (ohallot)
 + avoiding glitches in the transformation
+ Helpcontent2
 + New pages on digital signature line (ohallot)
 + Many fixes in help pages (SophiaS, A Gelmini, ohallot)
+ Guides:
 + This week is Sprint Review Week for “Getting Started 6.0”
 + Effort to review chapters and finish work.

* New meeting time:
+ evening: https://doodle.com/poll/wdbvtt8rgyn8z5bg
 + 11 filled it out.
+ daytime: https://doodle.com/poll/567nszb5tfzfxue4
 + 22 filled it out.

+ Proposal do it always on Wed (Michael)
 + not a fan of Wed’s (Eike)
 + evening – people far less enthusiastic (Michael)
 + expectation is that few people will attend ? (Miklos)

+ Proposal try a new scheme for a month alternating:
 + Wednesdays 6-7 pm Paris/Berlin/Prague [ 18 people ]
 + Thursday, current time slot (4 pm Paris/Berlin/Prague)
AI: + send out some appointments for next month (Michael)

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
247(247) (topicUI) bugs open, 323(323) (needsUXEval)
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month3 months   12 months  
 added  3(2) 14(-1) 38(-2) 108(-4) 
 commented 40(14)   177(-17)   512(-33)   1954(-50)
   removed  0(0)  0(0)   2(0)   11(0)  
  resolved  1(1)  6(-1) 30(-2) 180(-1) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 63 changes in 1 month, and 828 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 43 changes in 1 month, and 291 changes in 1 year
  Pedro made 42 changes in 1 month, and 44 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 19 changes in 1 month, and 155 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 16 changes in 1 month, and 339 changes in 1 year
  dieterp made 15 changes in 1 month, and 140 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 15 changes in 1 month, and 401 changes in 1 year
  Timur made 13 changes in 1 month, and 75 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 13 changes in 1 month, and 195 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 12 changes in 1 month, and 26 changes in 1 year

+ changed the UX design team meeting time to be later for US
   + not many people turned up.

+ Karasa Jaga icon theme added to core
   + said to be complete – he counted SVGs
   + a LGPLv3 licensed theme, and SVG not yet in the core
  + some SVGs have compressed bitmaps in them.
   + positive feedback on the look.
 
+ Support columns in RTF ?
  https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=117734
   + discussed on Telegram, upset at lack of support.
   + a non-standard update.
   + completely out of scope asking for random fixes here (Michael)
   + seems like a normal filter bug (Miklos)
  + nothing special here.

* Crash Reporting (Caolan)
+ 17 import failure, 3 export failures
   + 2 exports – mst layout asserts.
   + fast-parser fix integrated.
   + calc threading enabled in these runs
  + hope for some more fixes in the next run.
  + seems to 

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[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Caolan, Stephan, Sophie, Miklos, Thorsten, Kendy, Michael S, Eike,
  Olivier, Michael M, Heiko (late)

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
+ fill out (both) polls:
+ evening: https://doodle.com/poll/wdbvtt8rgyn8z5bg
+ daytime: https://doodle.com/poll/567nszb5tfzfxue4
+ run dev-certification script again (Kendy)
[ forgot to run it
  should poke Italo wrt. Renewing ? (Thorsten)
 + a number of expired ones
 + normally Italo pokes us here (Kendy)
+ if you’re aware please poke us ]
+ turn budget ideas into a spreadsheet for ranking (Thorsten)
[ not got to it yet ] 

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.4.7 released earlier today 
+ 6.0.5 – RC1
+ 6.1.0 alpha1 – Feature Freeze May 24th
+ beta1 this week, for tag ~next week depending on state of master
   + currently mac failures
   + libreoffice-6-0 branch will be created, but no review mandatory
 while still in beta phase – remember to cherry-pick bugfixes 
+ 6.1 late features
+ calc threading default / fixing (Miklos)
   + lots of fixes this week.
+ writer – red-lining re-factoring (Michael S)
   + to stop it moving things in the document model.
   + so layout & text formatting doesn’t show deleted stuff
   + how long more will it take.
   + have a contingency plan to use existing way of doing it
   + mostly new extra code.
   + changes to existing code should be bisectable.
   + sounds like a great win (Michael M)
   + love to have it in (Thorsten)
   + does it make it easier for Outline view ? (Michael M)
   + working to make completely deleted frames invisible (Michael S)
   + would help with that too …
   + should help de-bong undo/redo/redline mess (Miklos)
   + avoids hide-red-line mess (Michael S)
+ KDE5 work from Bubli (Thorsten)
   + TDF builds – have no effect on release bits …
   + some changes to font subsystem not sure if a good idea to merge
   + perhaps depending on distro interest –
 add some bits to KDE5 sal subsystem.
   + unclear – sitting on the fence.
   + windows GL font-regression there ? (Michael)
   + nice to have it in one place to fix (Thorsten)
   + Bubli’s call (Thorsten)
+ Help format ? (Stephan)
   + old or new ?
   + some trouble wrt. getting media files packaged (Olivier)
   + re-working how image files go into the help.
   + need more time.
   + two things in mind (Stephan)
  + media/localization
  + extensions help – currently not working.
  + having no media not a blocker (Kendy)
  + didn’t have that before – videos can come later.
  + videos in un-localized bundle increasing its size (Stephan)
  + did some work to get help help into pkgs (Stephan)
  + media folder not differentiated per language.
  + wiki page with structure of the folder (Olivier)
  
+https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/NewHelpMedia
  + how large are the per-language blobs ? (Stephan)
  + if big should go into localized packages.
  + can try to help out (Stephan)
  + extension pieces – how to fix that (Stephan)
  + when we have online help – it never showed extension (Olivier)
  + if only have HTML help loose them completely – not good 
(Stephan)
  + didn’t remove the help-viewer code (Kendy)
  + we can fallback in extremis to old-help for extensions eg.
+ Remotes
+ got logo image source & cleanup fixes from Siqi
+ now a menu-bar rendering issue – orange shade etc.
+ Android viewer
+ endless recursion bug
+ number-text feature causing grief: disabled
+ what happened to the Android tinderbox ? (Miklos)
  + prolly got stuck and no-one noticed (Christian) 
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
+ Tweaks for the UI (fitoshido, buovjaga)
+ wiki page for community contribution of collateral files
+ Help contents
+ Several fixes by translators
+ HIDs fixed by Caolan
+ New pages on digital signature + Signature Line (ohallot)
+ Guides:
 + Sprint Review Week next week to boost revision of
   Getting Started (GS) 6.0 (ohallot,  D. Barton and Drew Jensen)
 + almost there – but need a final review push here.

* New meeting time:
+ evening: https://doodle.com/poll/wdbvtt8rgyn8z5bg
 + 11 filled it out.
+ daytime: https://doodle.com/poll/567nszb5tfzfxue4
 + 22 filled it out.
+ People 

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[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Olivier, Michael W, Caolan, Michael M, Mike K, Miklos, Kendy,
  Christian, Heiko (late)

* Completed Action Items:
+ discuss help / video options with the l10n teams for a decision (Olivier)
  [ sent the message, and got a couple of replies 
not completely conclusive – but some directions to take.
Perhaps too early for videos in 6.1 (?)
Is there no workaround ? (Michael)
  + would like new features video + captions (Olivier)
 + would like an overview of each module
 + but can’t give too much work to Mike ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ circulate an evenings poll (Thorsten)
  + to complement https://doodle.com/poll/567nszb5tfzfxue4
+ Fill out new doodle poll (everyone)
+ run dev-certification script again (Kendy)
+ turn budget ideas into a spreadsheet for ranking (Thorsten)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.4.7 – RC2 status
+ tagged yesterday & builds being up-loaded
+ 6.0.4 – RC2 status
+ released as final already
+ 6.1.0 alpha1 – Feature Freeze May 24th
+ 6.1 late features
+ calc threading default / fixing (Miklos)
+ Dennis & Lubos looking at Caolan’s list
+ halved the count there, and have more fixes.
+ hope to fix these & re-enable that.
+ others – after holiday break ...
+ Remotes
+ waiting for Siqi to update artwork.
+ Online
+ did a 6.0.3 src release

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ Videos in help: Message sent to list, few responses so far cf. above
  + New help
+ Added page UI to Pootle frameworks for l10n (ohallot)
+ Tweaks in CSS (fitoshido)
+ Colibre is now the default icon set (Rene Engelhard)
+ some icons missing though
+ some pages show default-alt-text not icons – in help navigator
+ Working on a process for localization of example files
+ Online editor: pending.
   + what needs building here ? (Kendy)
  + need it installed locally so can tweak it (Olivier)
   + do we have a short-list ? (Kendy)
  + seems tinymce is the most popular (Olivier)
  + also ckeditor
+ Help pages
+ fixes by G. Kelemen, Sophia S., S. Horacek, fitoshido, A 
Gelmini
+ Added screenshots for Math modules (ohallot, bubli)
+ bug triaging
+ Guides
Week 5/21 5/27 will be the Review Sprint Week for final 
revision of
   Getting started 6. book.


* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
247(247) (topicUI) bugs open, 325(325) (needsUXEval)
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  7(3) 19(2) 41(5)  116(3)  
 commented 56(-5)   217(2)565(23)2053(37) 
   removed  0(0)  0(0)  2(0)   11(0)  
  resolved  2(-1) 8(-6)34(-1) 181(0)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 84 changes in 1 month, and 851 changes in 1 year
  Pedro made 38 changes in 1 month, and 40 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 33 changes in 1 month, and 427 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 33 changes in 1 month, and 292 changes in 1 year
  dieterp made 29 changes in 1 month, and 150 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 27 changes in 1 month, and 345 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 19 changes in 1 month, and 158 changes in 1 year
  Faure, Jean-Baptiste made 15 changes in 1 month, and 34 changes in 1 
year
  kompilainenn made 10 changes in 1 month, and 26 changes in 1 year
  Dr. Matthias Weisser made 9 changes in 1 month, and 9 changes in 1 
year

  + Colibre finally merged
 + still filling out the last icons …
 + strange symphony folder – 3D icons
 + looking good to me too (Michael)
   
 + Gradients 
   + introduced new gradients with the std. Colors
   + hope they are nicer & more usable – happy to get feedback too.

 + Draw styles
   + hope to update these in the next two weeks for 6.1

* Crash Reporting (Caolan)
+ 44(+42) import failure, 4(+3) export failures
   + turns out there is another crash related to
 the last forcepoint issue
   + now fixed; expect to be down to a handful.
   + temporary calc threading run - 114 / 3
   + two assertions from FastParser still left
  + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/52720/ 
   + and some mst layout issue asserts.
+ coverity
+ 18 (+11, -8)
+ a few more – mostly fixed.
+ forcepoint round 6, complete.
+ will get back to them.
+ oss-fuzz (17 outstanding, 14 minor)
+ fixed some bits, found some more.
+ 

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[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Stephan, Michael W, Olivier, Sophie, Michael M, Caolan, Heiko,
  Thorsten, Cloph, Xisco, Miklos, Christian, Lionel, Michael S, Kendy,
  Eike (>16:20)

* Completed Action Items:
+ create & circulate new ESC time poll & CC dev list (Heiko)
  => https://doodle.com/poll/567nszb5tfzfxue4
  [ what is the answer ? - hard to know, Thorsten didn’t fill it out.
Rene has time in the morning / lunchtime (Heiko)
+ no Monday / Friday ? (Michael)
   + typically used by other meetings,travel (Heiko)
  + can run another poll of course.
   + would like to include people who can’t make it (Thorsten)
  + 18:00 Berlin time might be good.
+ just saw the ‘want it later than 4pm’ option (Thorsten)
+ lets re-run – what periods ? (Michael)
   + evening not ideal for East Asia / India (Thorsten)
   + concern with early morning (Olivier, Lionel)
   + 6am or 6pm to avoid work (Michael)
   => propose do a separate evening poll: 
AI:   6pm – 10pm Berlin time Mon→Fri (Thorsten) ]
+ come up with a plan for help / video l10n, translation (Olivier)
+ in discussion with l10n team
[ listening to the l10n discussion – will now interact with them]

* Pending Action Items:
+ Fill out new doodle poll (everyone)
+ run dev-certification script again (Kendy)
+ turn budget ideas into a spreadsheet for ranking (Thorsten)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.4.7 – RC2 status
   + delayed, not tagged yet.
   + patches submitted to -5-4 but not -5-4-7
+ important to get a chance to review those.   
+ 6.0.4 – RC2 status
   + planned for this week
   + all patches are now in.
   + can tag after the ESC call.
+ 6.1.0 alpha1 – Feature Freeze May 24th
+ Remotes
   + iOS built with xcode8 – but wrong ver for iOS 11
   + downloaded xcode9  
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ Help contents:
+ help pages for PIVOT CHARTS (ohallot)
+ Improvements on EPUB help (ohallot)
+ fixes, fixes, fixes… (fitoshido, ohallot, Sophia_s, A. 
Gelmini)
+ New Help
+ New help is packageable (sberg)
+ CSS enhancements to prettify (fitoshido)
  + investigating on-line editors
+ no conclusion yet.

+ Proposal for handling multimedia.

Objective of Multimedia:
• Will NOT replace textual description of LO resource or feature.
• Be a rich support for textual contents
• Introduce examples, use cases or tutorials on feature / resource.
• Indirectly: motivate communities to produce contents and contribute.

Issue: 
• Multimedia contents is asked to be localized on release,
  for some languages.

   Concerns:
   • Not every community has resource for localization or
 local contents production to match release deadlines.
   • Localized captions not even accepted in some languages.

   Further information on New Help
   • New help is now build-able and package-able
 (thanks to Stephan Bergman and David Tardon)
   • New Help build distinct when ONLINE or OFFLINE
  ◦ Offline is package-able.
   • OFFLINE help already has no multimedia ( tag is not rendered)
   • ONLINE help has multimedia (master).
 ◦ https://help.libreoffice.org/6.1/en-US/text/scalc/main.html

   Options:
   1. Remove all multimedia from Help either online and offline: 
  1. Problem vanish.
   2. Remove all multimedia from offline Help.
  => Done already
   3. Implement language based multimedia enabler in XSLT / makefile
  1. --without-help-multimedia=fr
  2. if $lang = “fr” then multimedia > /dev/null
   4. Have multimedia enabled and localize 
  1. Change href= to localized contents
  2. set width=”0” and height=”0” if no localized contents.

 + was this built in discussion with l10n team ? (Michael)
 + not presented the options to them (Olivier)
+ would like to have ESC input

 + l10n team are waiting for his proposals (Sophie)
 + can we add – when video scripts are made available.
 + where are these published before embedding ?
 + expect each community to decide if they want it ? (Olivier)

 + a 5th option ? Different flavours of help  with & without ? (Heiko)
 + off-line help has no MM enabled already (Olivier)
+ the on-line site can have this. 

 => discuss this with the l10n teams for a decision.

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
247(247) (topicUI) bugs open, 319(319) (needsUXEval)
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  4(-3)17(0) 36(-2) 113(1)  
 

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[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Michael W, Caolan, Heiko, Miklos, Olivier, Michael M, Lionel,
  Bubli, Kendy, Sophie, Xisco, Eike, Christian

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
+ create & circulate new ESC time poll & CC dev list (Heiko)
  => https://doodle.com/poll/567nszb5tfzfxue4
+ turn budget ideas into a spreadsheet for ranking (Thorsten)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.4.7 RC2
   + tag planned this week too
   + but focused on 6.1 for testers first.
+ 6.0.4 – RC2 status
   + plan this next week
+ 6.1.0 alpha1 – April 24th… Feature Freeze May 24th
   + being built – a problem with the 32bit Linux build
   + problem with Junit tests failing
   + other platforms built and being up-loaded
   + testers will have something to play with.  
+ Remotes
   + iOS update didn’t happen yet.
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New help: 
+ Several tweaks for handling tables (Adolfo, buovjaga, ohallot)
+ Contribution to packaging offline help (TBA, sberg)
+ online XHP editor: evaluating options for rich text editors
+ Helpcontent2
+ many help pages fixes (Sophia_S, Adolfo, ohallot, cloph, 
jpledure)
+ Guides:
+ resuming activities 
+ GS 06 Review week to be announced for May.
+ contributions from Drew Jensen.
+ Other: Wiki page for Firebird migration:
+ 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/FirebirdMigration
  thanks to RobertG

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
249(249) (topicUI) bugs open, 316(316) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  7(5) 17(5) 38(1)  112(3)  
 commented 61(36)   209(8)535(14)2017(6)  
   removed  0(0)  0(-2) 2(0)   12(-2) 
  resolved  2(-2)12(-4)35(-3) 178(-5) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 78 changes in 1 month, and 823 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 49 changes in 1 month, and 231 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 39 changes in 1 month, and 426 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 32 changes in 1 month, and 341 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 23 changes in 1 month, and 139 changes in 1 year
  Faure, Jean-Baptiste made 21 changes in 1 month, and 34 changes in 1 
year
  Foote, V Stuart made 17 changes in 1 month, and 267 changes in 1 year
  Mehrbrodt, Samuel made 16 changes in 1 month, and 49 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 10 changes in 1 month, and 146 changes in 1 year
  Dr. Matthias Weisser made 9 changes in 1 month, and 9 changes in 1 
year

   + Terminology in file format dropdown
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108894
 + old: “Microsoft Word 2007-2013 XML”
 + suggested: "Word 2007-2016 (*.docx)" (without Microsoft)
 + check if "Office Open XML Text (docx)" is an extra filter
+ yes, it is a different filter (Miklos)
   + strictness is orthogonal
   + specification vs. reality.
   + suggest hiding the Office Open XML Text (Michael, Miklos)
 + classic bike-shed; removing Microsoft.  

* Crash Reporting (Caolan)
+ 2(-26) import failure, 4(+1) export failures
   + two assertions from FastParser still left
  + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/52720/ 
+ coverity
+ 5 (-19, +2)
+ forcepoint round 6, still not complete.
+ one nasty layout one remaining
+ oss-fuzz
   + builds were not working properly
   + mergelib for andoid style now mended
   + waiting to see new issues.

* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.4.2 
  + 747 (last 7 days) (up)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.5.1 
  + 828 (last 7 days) (down)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.6.2 
  + 662(last 7 days) (up)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.1.1 
  + 563 (last 7 days) (down)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.2.1 
  + 1353 (last 7 days) (down)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.3.2
  + 1433 (last 7 days) (up)

+ similar to last week; top crash is OpenGL related.
  + Miklos fixed the top issue.
  + would be good to have it in 6.0.4
  + happy but need it in -6-0 first (Miklos)

+ Review needed:
+ https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/53434/
+ https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/53329/

* ESC proto-agenda (Michael)
   + send it to the public / dev-list instead of private CC
   + should get more engagement & interest there.
   + 

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Christian, Eike, Michael S, Lionel, Stephan, Xisco, Olivier, Caolan,
  Miklos, Heiko, Sophie, Michael W, Michael M, Kendy

* Completed Action Items:
+ come up with slot count (Heiko, Markus, Thorsten)

* Pending Action Items:

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.4.7 RC1 – status
   + tagged yesterday, Windows builds up-loaded
+ 6.0.4 – RC1 – due to tag next week.
+ 6.1.0 alpha1 – April 24th… Feature Freeze May 24th
+ Android
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
   + wiki page for direct gerrit edition
   + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/GerritEditing
   + useful for fixing typos and linguistic of help pages.
   + many patches from Hamburg Hackfest from SophiaS & co.
   + Patch to allow new Help to be installed as UNO package (extension)
  + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/52700/3 
  + 
https://olivierhallot.blogspot.com.br/2018/04/new-libreoffice-help-is-also-uno.html
   + review & submission of corrections to help-pages on-going   
   + poor presence in guides meetings.

* Timing – Thorsten requested:
+ new doodle poll; can we find a better time ?
AI: + create the poll(Thorsten) 

* HSQLDB -> Firebird migration plan (Lionel, Miklos)
+ reverted initial removal of HSQLDB
+ based on feedback – Tomi will add a warning dialog (Miklos)
   + user can choose whether the migration is wanted or not.
   + would be good to know what the transition period should be too.
+ would be good to wait until firebird is present in LTS releases (Lionel)
   + before removing HSQLDB
   + how long ? (Miklos)
  + Ubuntu – every 2 years (Lionel)
  + say 2-3 years, if Debian.
   + other questions (Michael)
  + what is default ?
  + do people really exchange DB’s by E-mail ?
  + we migrate data – how much do we need it ?
   + eager to keep HSQLDB syntax / engine (Lionel)
  + for transition - something like a programming tool
  + 2-3 years looks good for Lionel.
+ when do we make firebird the default ? (Lionel)
   + can be for the next release when its ready.
   + need to get an overview of the bugs
+ Metabug: 
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51780
   + may already be in a better state than HSQLDB
   + not opposed with this being a default for next release.
+ exchanging DB’s by E-mail can happen (Lionel)
   + know some groups that do.

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics 
250(250) (topicUI) bugs open, 328(328) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  8(1) 16(-1)41(-1) 117(0)  
 commented 70(26)   219(27)   535(41)2040(44) 
   removed  1(1)  3(2)  3(2)   16(3)  
  resolved  6(3) 18(3) 38(3)  182(2)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 114 changes in 1 month, and 860 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 62 changes in 1 month, and 447 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 40 changes in 1 month, and 234 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 36 changes in 1 month, and 135 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 26 changes in 1 month, and 315 changes in 1 year
  Mehrbrodt, Samuel made 25 changes in 1 month, and 49 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 24 changes in 1 month, and 291 changes in 1 year
  Henschel, Regina made 19 changes in 1 month, and 129 changes in 1 year
  Kaganski, Mike made 11 changes in 1 month, and 44 changes in 1 year
  Faure, Jean-Baptiste made 10 changes in 1 month, and 21 changes in 1 
year

   + Sifr for Hicontrast
 https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/52772/
 + this is there for a11y reasons
 + agreed by Hypra
 + Sifr is small compared to hicontrast (Michael)
+ so if you want to see things with hicontrast you need these
 + hicontrast for people with color / contrast disability (Kendy)
+ from what recall from Sifr – grey not high contrast.
 + Possibly solved by more modern hardware / shaders cf. The bug:
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=75398#c14
 + was concerned too (Caolan)
 => turn it into an extension.

   + Badly readable styles at sidebar tdf#115507 and similar
 Closed as WFM now
 
* Crash Reporting (Caolan)
+ 28(+22) import failure, 3(+0) export failures
+ big jump here. Old bug not showing up until std::unique_ptr
   + could have been a cause of random crashes; now fixed.
+ one outstanding assert caused by FastParser (Michael S)
   + NS handling in xmloff not quite right
   + only works with the normal namespace prefixes
   + prefix → integer → string; 2nd mapping is static
   + have CC’d Azorpid on it.
  

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Eike, Cloph, Stephan, Sophie, Caolán, Olivier, Michael W,
  Miklos, Michael M, Heiko, Xisco, Michael S, Thorsten, 
  Chris Sherlock  

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.4.7 RC1 – April 10th
   + will be tagged next week – final 5.4 line release
+ 6.0.3 – RC2 status
   + released as final earlier today.
+ Android
   + impress remote crash with wifi on Android
   + fix in repo will release to play store shortly. 
+ Online
   + 6.0.3 release of online too.

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ Help pages updated /fixes (G. Kelemen. S. Horacek, buovjaga,
  D. Roscek, ohallot, atimar, A. Gelmini)
+ (on going) wiki page on direct inline help page editing in gerrit
  (thanks to D. Ostrovsky, M. Kaganski, buovjaga)
   + should make fixing typos & small updates very easily.
   + should significantly improve editing efficiency & flow.
   + finishing wiki page with instructions & building a video on this:
   + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/GerritEditing

+ Bug triaging for Help
+ Guides: stalled.

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
248(248) (topicUI) bugs open, 330(330) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated
by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  7(4)  17(-4)42(1)  117(-1) 
 commented 44(-23)   192(-1)   494(-6)1996(-16)
   removed  0(-1)  1(0)  1(0)   13(0)  
  resolved  3(0)  15(0) 35(-1) 180(-6) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 67 changes in 1 month, and 824 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 44 changes in 1 month, and 303 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 44 changes in 1 month, and 235 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 41 changes in 1 month, and 420 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 40 changes in 1 month, and 304 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 35 changes in 1 month, and 125 changes in 1 year
  Henschel, Regina made 16 changes in 1 month, and 136 changes in 1 year
  Rainer Fiebig made 14 changes in 1 month, and 14 changes in 1 year
  Kaganski, Mike made 10 changes in 1 month, and 46 changes in 1 year
  m.a.riosv made 9 changes in 1 month, and 26 changes in 1 year

   * Terminology modifications to Paste Special format 
 http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Design-f1935996.html
   + we have eg. calc8 as a format presented to user here.
 + updated the strings here. hopefully easier to understand

   * Ctrl/cmd+Tab & shift+ctrl/cmd+tab introduced for customization
 and assigned to next/prev sheet in Calc (wip)
  + good; be careful of tab/shift-tab for focus/a11y (Michael)

   * tdf#116695 Make Elementary the default on Gnome
 patch merged to see if “gnome” works as DE
  + discussion ongoing in the bug.
  + think Sifr better than Elementary (Cloph)
  + also think Colibre would be better on more platforms.
   + better choice (Heiko)
   + but want to keep Breeze on KDE.
  + best to get someone to test it rather than pushing to master (Michael)
  + why not use Colibre on GNOME ? (Michael)
  + important to use what we have (Heiko)
  + lets pick the best, and use that (Michael)
  + UX team want Elementary for GNOME → do that.

* Crash Reporting (Caolan)
+ 6(+0) import failure, 3(+0) export failures
+ 25 (-3, +20) coverity issues
+ Google / ossfuzz:
+ wheels have fallen off the wagon wrt integer overflows
  and 32bit rect/point/etc, 28+
+ change to 32bit on all platforms (used to be 64bit on 64bit)
+ will switch to 64bit on all platforms instead to avoid this (Stephan)
+ lots of noise from this
+ forcepoint round 6, still not complete.
+ reviews of backports much appreciated.

* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.4.2 
  + 688 (last 7 days) (down)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.5.1 
  + 1048 (last 7 days) (-)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.6.2 
  + 346 (last 7 days) (-)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.1.1 
  + 636 (last 7 days) (down)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.2.1 
  + 2052 (last 7 days) (-)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.3.2
  + 18 (last 7 days) (-)
+ quite surprised in 5.4.6.2 – numbers of crashes are low in last week
  + 5.4.x continues to go down
+ fix for SetUpdateMode pending (Michael)

* GSoC Application (Thorsten, Heiko)
   + 42 final applications – deadline is over, please review!
  + somewhat down on previous years; similar to other projects.
   + 16+ mentors
   + 

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Xisco, Stephan, Jan-Marek, Heiko, Olivier, Caolan, Michael W,
  Michael M, Tomaz, Miklos, Christian, Kendy

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
+ chase old security - viva tool / company via Vasily (Thorsten)

* ImageURL bits (Tomaz)
+ 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Budget2017#Image_handling_re-work
+ Graphic pieces were handled by string in the API
+ properties in the API – used to be a string URL, now XGraphic.
+ question is – how to handle it for back-compatibility 
+ probably old macros use the old API.
+ is there some way we can get strings still ? (Michael)
+ was previously an embedded URL – this will now go away (Tomaz)
+ if the URL is external – still makes sense. 
+ some APIs eg. fillbitmap – used only internal URLs before.
+ how can we warn the user of this ?
+ Thorsten had some concerns wrt. existing macros (Stephan)
+ on the mailing list.
+ what should continue to work is common use-case:
+ URL for graphic to include somewhere, could in the past
  set that property to a URL-name; make sure it still works.
+ how would I put an image in a document from a file ? (Michael)
+ put a URL in the property – and it works (Tomaz)
+ for setting – it makes sense still.
+ getting the properties back not such a big deal (Tomaz)
+ if used to set external URL ? (Stephan)
+ reading it should get that back then.
+ in un-linked graphics case (Miklos)
+ sending the URL – an un-linked graphics is created
+ can’t return much – except the unique-id of the graphic
+ we want to kill that.
+ the vnd.sun.star ID ? (Stephan)
 + that’s correct (Tomaz)
 + we don’t want to get that back (for read) (Stephan)
+ good new things (Tomaz)
 + image loss is much harder to achieve.
 + GraphicObject unique-id is not used anymore
 + re-working GraphicObjects
 + XGraphic now used instead
 + the Swap functionality goes to Graphic itself 
 + and gets simplified
 + external link handling & handling of source graphics
   should be simplified too.
 + so Graphic will work much better, and be easier to maintain.
 + lots done in SdrGraphicObject that doesn’t belong there.
 + swapping triggered from there – can be transparent inside
   the Graphic itself
 + interested to get faster image sizing (Michael) 
 + best thing – getting swapping transparent to the code (Tomaz)
 + created a meta-bug to track issues wrt. refactoring (Xisco)
   https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=116280 

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.4.6 – released as final today
+ 5.4.7 RC1 – April 10th
   + last of the 5.4 release line
+ 6.0.3 – RC1
   + delayed by build failures.
   + fix for windows done yesterday.
   + passes the JUnit tests nicely
   + will tag RC2 on Thur not Tue next week.
+ Android
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
* New Help
+ Enabled YouTube videos in New Help pages (ohallot)
e.g. 
https://help.libreoffice.org/6.1/en-US/text/swriter/main.html 
+ Enable ODF files in New Help pages (ohallot)
e.g. 
https://help.libreoffice.org/6.1/en-US/text/scalc/01/func_imsin.html 
+ fixes in New help XSLT.
* Help contents
+ Help page for Calc XML Source features (ohallot + Kohei contents)
+ bug triaging
* Guides
+ More chapter revisions from community
  
* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
248(248) (topicUI) bugs open, 337(337) (needsUXEval)
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  7(-4) 28(-2)48(-2) 125(-1) 
 commented 62(-16)   229(13)   535(14)2041(-10)
   removed  0(0)   0(0)  0(0)   12(0)  
  resolved  4(-3) 14(2) 39(-2) 192(3)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 84 changes in 1 month, and 854 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 83 changes in 1 month, and 266 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 71 changes in 1 month, and 322 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 62 changes in 1 month, and 449 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 55 changes in 1 month, and 316 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 46 changes in 1 month, and 134 changes in 1 year
  Telesto made 17 changes in 1 month, and 99 changes in 1 year
  Rainer Fiebig made 14 changes in 1 month, and 14 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 12 changes in 1 month, and 35 changes in 1 year
  

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Xisco, Stephan, Sophie, Heiko, Caolan, Olivier, Kendy, Christian, Thorsten

* Completed Action Items:
+ come up with a plan for un-blocking peak CI in future (Christian)
   [ one plan – have variants of the job to disable linux / gcc builder
 with high load, and have Windows VMs on them to handle Windows load.
 Can be done manually quite easily – enable 1 config vs. the other.
 Can be automated by querying the queue size etc.
 Could we spin-up cloud VMs here ?
 Is it better to revert more aggressively ? (Michael)
 + yes, was looking at a queue of dependent patches
 + things getting merged when queue is long (Thorsten)
 + would be ideal to scale higher for a day eg. ]

* Pending Action Items:

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.4.6 - RC2 next week (beginning of week March 13/Tue)
+ tagged and built yesterday, up-loading builds now.

+ 6.0.3 – RC1 and branch next week (end of week March 15/Thu)
+ plan to tag late this evening.
+ SalGraphics / jmux assert bits – have a patch, causes another issue
 + is another test breakage related or not (?)
 + unclear if the fix is effective.
+ ought to get this into RC1 if we can:
 + currently over 30x patches waiting for 6.0
 + a reviewing stall there:
https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/q/status:open+branch:libreoffice-6-0 
+ reviews much appreciated.
+ Android
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
 + Fixes in Help Content from translators (ohallot, fitoshido, kelemen, 
gelmini)
 + Fixed / clarification in HC pages (ohallot)
 + improved calc descriptions.
 + New Help
 + Fix for New Help navigation (ohallot)
 + Refactor offline help eliminating extra ver# (ohallot, sberg) 
 + Packaging: pending. 
 + Books / Guides: 
 + stalled due to team member’s availability.
 + will dedicate more time to packaging next.
  
* UX Update (Heiko)
   + Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
248(248) (topicUI) bugs open, 338(338) (needsUXEval)
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added 11(2) 30(9) 50(10) 126(8)  
 commented 78(36)   216(59)   521(75)2051(63) 
   removed  0(0)  0(0)  0(0)   12(-1) 
  resolved  7(4) 12(3) 41(3)  189(4)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 86 changes in 1 month, and 847 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 82 changes in 1 month, and 272 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 75 changes in 1 month, and 330 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 56 changes in 1 month, and 456 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 45 changes in 1 month, and 319 changes in 1 year
  Telesto made 19 changes in 1 month, and 97 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 18 changes in 1 month, and 42 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 14 changes in 1 month, and 101 changes in 1 year
  Rainer Fiebig made 14 changes in 1 month, and 14 changes in 1 year
  Philips, Yousuf made 9 changes in 1 month, and 767 changes in 1 year

* Crash Hunting (Caolan)
+ 2301 (+2301) import failure, 10(+9) export failures
  + a big jump, PDF import has a recent crash
  + new assert from mst accounts for most of it.
+ ?? 4(+0) coverity
  + coverity scan is still down “for synopsys rebranding” (maybe)
+ still completely dead. Down and out ?
  + how vital is that ? (Thorsten)
+ could do some of this in clang plugins (Caolan)
   + eg. intialize member in one constructor, but not another
   + worth making a list of common problems next.
AI: + chase some old paper of another tool via Vasily (Thorsten)
   + https://www.viva64.com/en/b/0308/ 
+ forcepoint round #5
  + fixed all their stuff, modulo DLP bits that need releases.
  + from 6000 → 300.
+ 45 fuzzers * 3 sanitizers+engine combos (asan+libfuzzer,
ubsan+libfuzzer, asan+afl), font parser last added
  + 1-2 per day coming in.

* Crash Reporter (Xisco)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.4.2
  + 917 (last 7 days) (up)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.5.1
  + 1066 (last 7 days) (up)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.1.1
+ 1347 (last 7 days) (up)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.2.1
+ 1492 (last 7 days) (up)
+ slightly up this week - service down 2x days last week.  
+ nothing unexpected.

* ODF versioning / compat fix (Michael)
   + Michael S’ caveats should prolly be engraved in stone somewhere.

* GSoC Application (Thorsten, Heiko)
   + 16 mentors
   + have only 4 proposals so far
   + 2 blank, 2 Android.
   + expect some 

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[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Olivier, Caolan, Stephan, Miklos, Xisco, Eike, Sophie, Michael S
  Kendy, Michael M, Jan-Marek, Thorsten

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
+ come up with a plan for un-blocking peak CI in future (Christian)
   [ still pending ]
+ come up with a list of retiring committers to mail (Norbert)

* Release Engineering update (Xisco)
+ No builds this week.
+ Next up:
  + 6.0.3 – RC1 and branch next week (end of week March 15/Thu)
  + 5.4.6 - RC2 next week (beginning of week March 13/Tue)
  + Android
  + Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
 + Help pages contents: 208 Open bugs (+1)
  + 2 unconfirmed
 + 22 patches for Help contents by (G Kelemen, fitochido, A Gelmini)
 + New help: improvements in OS detection in  (ohallot)
  + Pending: new help packaging (tdf#116240)
  + Meta bug: tdf#97629
 + Help online editor : resuming with Mike Saunders and Liongold.
 + Guides:
  + progress in revision for GS 6.0 (+ 3 chapters reviewed)
 + should the help directory contain the version # ? (Stephan)
  + would be better to remove redundant ver in install set.
  + will open a bug and fix it (Olivier)
  
* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Heiko on vacation next ~two weeks.
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
248(248) (topicUI) bugs open, 326(326) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month3 months   12 months  
 added  9(1) 21(1)  40(3)  118(6)  
 commented 42(13)   157(-22)   446(-13)   1988(-13)
   removed  0(0)  0(0)   0(-2)  13(-1) 
  resolved  3(2)  9(-2) 38(-2) 185(-3) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 94 changes in 1 month, and 869 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 44 changes in 1 month, and 234 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 38 changes in 1 month, and 432 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 38 changes in 1 month, and 310 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 16 changes in 1 month, and 290 changes in 1 year
  Telesto made 11 changes in 1 month, and 88 changes in 1 year
  Philips, Yousuf made 11 changes in 1 month, and 767 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 10 changes in 1 month, and 38 changes in 1 year
  Kevin Suo made 9 changes in 1 month, and 9 changes in 1 year
  Benes, Luke made 8 changes in 1 month, and 11 changes in 1 year

* Crash Hunting (Caolan)
+ 0 (+0) import failure, 1(+0) export failures
  + last week’s value.
+ ?? 4(+0) coverity
  + coverity scan is still down for synopsys rebranding (maybe)
  + down permanently ? Over a week being re-branded.  
+ forcepoint
  + fixed the last set of reports, lots of nullptr de-referencing
  + sent sample docs to AOO for reference.
+ 45 fuzzers * 3 sanitizers+engine combos (asan+libfuzzer,
ubsan+libfuzzer, asan+afl), font parser last added
  + addressed a number of timeout issues
  + down to ~20 fuzzing issues there.
  + test case documents are sometimes used by other doc fuzzers
 + causing issues for other people

* Crash Reporter (Xisco)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.3.7.2
+ 764 (last 7 days) (down)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.4.2
  + 665 (last 7 days) (down)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.5.1
  + 706 (last 7 days) (down)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.0.3
  + 2002 (last 7 days) (down)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.1.1
+ 1053 (last 7 days) (down)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.2.1
+ 714 (last 7 days) (-)

+ The crash report service was down for 2 days last weekend

+ Jmux & Michael worked on the virtual-pointer issue
+ discovered mpGraphics2 – was never freed on Windows
  since it was introduced in 2000 – the cause.
+ pushed patch to master & -6-0 – hopefully will improve.

* GSoC Application (Thorsten, Heiko)
   + 14 mentors so far (+8 pending)
   + would be good to check that people are responding to their mentor mails
   + if you want to mentor: add yourself to wiki page & check for invites.

 * GSoC schedule
   + Student Application Period: March 12 – 27
   + Application Review Period: March 27 - April 23
   + [libo] Deadline for EasyHack submission - March 31st  
   + [libo] Deadline for merge of EasyHack – April 7th 
   + Student Projects Announced: April 23
   + Community Bonding: April 23 - May 14
   + Coding: May 14 - August 6
   + Evaluation 1: June 11 - 15
   + Evaluation 2: July 9 - 13
   + Students Submit Code and Final Evaluations: August 6 - 14
   + Mentors Submit Final Evaluations: August 14 - 21
   + Results Announced: August 22

   + 

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[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Heiko, Sophie, Caolan, Cloph, Christian, Eike, Stephan, Miklos, David
  Olivier, Xisco, Kendy, Thorsten, Michael M, Michael S

* Completed Action Items:
+ go over the past budget ideas & cleanup as a base (Thorsten)
+ do a libreoffice-6-0-1 branch on the tag (Christian)
+ get input from Sophie on https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/49914/ 
(Olivier)
   [ put Sophie on copy of the gerrit commit and Sophie +1’d ].

* Pending Action Items:
+ come up with a list of retiring committers to mail (Norbert)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.0.2 - RC1 – tag Feb 20
+ released as final earlier today
+ 6.0.3 – RC1 – 3 weeks out.
+ 5.4.6 - RC1 update
+ tagged by Xisco yesterday
+ various builds up-loading
+ will up-load them today
+ 5.4.6 RC2 – week after next
+ Android
+ completed roll-out on the play store.  
+ Online
+ up-loaded a 6.0.2 final.

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ Updates in help contents (G. Kelemen, Tagezi, ohallot, caolan, Laurent 
BP, A Gelmini)
   + 35 patches
+ 92 open bugs on Help Contents (tdf#80430)
   + 5 closed
   + problems understanding many reporters. 
+ Improvements in help online reading (buovjaga)
   + New new-help meta bug - tdf#97629
   + Pending: packaging for distros for off-line use.
+ Changes from new GTK3 (caolan)
+ Books
   + resumed more chapters for final proofreading
  
* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
248(248) (topicUI) bugs open, 322(322) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month3 months   12 months  
 added  8(2)  20(5)  37(4)  112(5)  
 commented 29(-20)   179(-17)   459(-15)   2001(-15)
   removed  0(0)   0(0)   2(0)   14(0)  
  resolved  1(-2) 11(-1) 40(-4) 188(-4) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 111 changes in 1 month, and 887 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 47 changes in 1 month, and 241 changes in 1 year
  Philips, Yousuf made 27 changes in 1 month, and 773 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 22 changes in 1 month, and 425 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 20 changes in 1 month, and 293 changes in 1 year
  Telesto made 16 changes in 1 month, and 87 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 12 changes in 1 month, and 288 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 11 changes in 1 month, and 91 changes in 1 year
  Ekansh Jha made 11 changes in 1 month, and 22 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 10 changes in 1 month, and 39 changes in 1 year

+ Blog posts for easyhackers about Set-up and Terminology
  + 
https://design.blog.documentfoundation.org/2018/02/22/easyhacking-set-environment/
  + 
https://design.blog.documentfoundation.org/2018/02/28/easyhacking-all-about-terminology/

  + Suggestion from l10n member to have a checkbox in Jenkins to approve 
texts
  + so experienced person checks text in new translatable strings.
  + prefer to get best-practice on strings written-up (Michael)
  + if we have police – want blocking policy on UX guidelines (Heiko)
   + joke.
  + nice to have people aware of everything but we don’t work this way.
  + what is the underlying complaint ? (Michael)
   + that we change things too often in the code (Heiko)
   + sounds like feature-not-bug to me (Michael)
  + encourage a mail to the dev list to give examples
of bad changes (Michael)

+ Should export to HTML keep formatting per white-space?
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=115326
  + Recommendation: NOTOURBUG/WONTFIX
  + if someone has a patch they’re welcome to contribute (Michael)
  + similar issue with empty-paragraphs (Miklos)
  + we already insert a .

+ on vacation the next two weeks

* Crash Hunting (Caolan)
+ 0 (-1) import failure, 1(+1) export failures
  + can’t reproduce the export crash.
+ ?? 4(+0) coverity
  + coverity scan is down for synopsys rebranding (maybe)
+ 45 fuzzers * 3 sanitizers+engine combos (asan+libfuzzer,
ubsan+libfuzzer, asan+afl), font parser last added
  + oss-fuzz back online again
  + tried to splitup our fuzzers – since they were too large
+ had an individual config per fuzzer.
+ forcepoint runs, various credits in commits
  + do we continue to get good stuff ?

* Crash Reporter (Xisco)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.3.7.2
+ 955 (last 7 days) (down)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.4.2
  + 954 (last 7 days) (-)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.5.1
  + 881 (last 7 days) (up)
+ 

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[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Stephan, Heiko, Michael M, Christian, Olivier, Miklos, Caolan
  Eike, Kendy, David, Kendy, Michael S, Jmux, Xisco, Thorsten

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
+ come up with a list of retiring committers to mail (Norbert)
+ go over the past budget ideas & cleanup as a base (Thorsten)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.0.2 - RC1 – tag Feb 2 0
+ will be done by Xisco later today
+ a 1 RC only release.
+ move back to normal branching further down the release.
+ problems with crash-reporter (Michael)
AI:  + do a branch on the tag (Christian)
+ 6.0 kill ? (Heiko)
+ on our download page – have access to 6.0
+ not sure it is a problem – hard to find (Cloph, Michael)
 + will disappear when builds go from the mirror directory.
+ 5.4.6 - RC1 tag Feb 27 next Tues. 
+ regular 2x RC schedule.
+ Android
+ roll out covers all users
+ crash reports looking much better
+ Online
+ should do a 6.0.2 RC1/final next week.

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ Catching up the help pages gap x features updates (ohallot, LaurentBP)
+ Published 3/8 Macro BASIC ref. cards (JF Nifenecker, ohallot)
   + written in French; now translated to English.
+ Resuming book review for Getting Started 6 (D. Barton, Jrodriguez, 
ohallot)
+ Please advise on https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/49914/
   + massive change, terminology: removing the word Runtime
   + is there a reason for that ? (Eike)
   + bothers the authors (Olivier)
   + “Runtime” doesn’t seem to be needed in text.
   + can we do this with a sed script across the translations ? 
(Michael)
   + yes, if only a script – but did translators translate it ? 
(Cloph)
   + if not – mostly tricky.
   + is “catagiries” in commit Categories in change? (Michael)
   + yes (Olivier)
AI:   + ask Sophie (Olivier)

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
250(250) (topicUI) bugs open, 322(322) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month3 months   12 months  
 added  6(-2)15(-6) 33(-4) 107(-9) 
 commented 49(8)196(-37)   474(-28)   2016(-48)
   removed  0(0)  0(0)   2(0)   14(-1) 
  resolved  3(1) 12(1)  44(-2) 192(-23)
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 94 changes in 1 month, and 887 changes in 1 year
  Philips, Yousuf made 28 changes in 1 month, and 782 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 22 changes in 1 month, and 220 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 19 changes in 1 month, and 286 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 19 changes in 1 month, and 296 changes in 1 year
  Budea, Áron made 19 changes in 1 month, and 58 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 19 changes in 1 month, and 433 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Linard made 18 changes in 1 month, and 65 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 15 changes in 1 month, and 89 changes in 1 year
  Telesto made 15 changes in 1 month, and 85 changes in 1 year

  + Easyhacking: How to set up your environment

https://design.blog.documentfoundation.org/2018/02/22/easyhacking-set-environment/
   + collection of links to the wiki: so people can install code and hack 
on it
   + first of a series Heiko plans on this
   + since some GSOC students don’t know how to do it.

  + Improvements to Font Listing
https://design.blog.documentfoundation.org/2018/02/18/improvements-font-listing/
   + outcome of design session last week
   + how to filter out un-interesting fonts in the font-name drop-down.
   + 3 options; poll in the blog – give your feedback to inform the devs
 ultimate decisions as they implement.

  + New backgrounds gallery theme in 6.1
   + Extensions for legacy bitmaps available
   + now can install the old background images via extensions.

* Crash Hunting (Caolan)
+ 0 (-1) import failure, 0(+0) export failures
+ good news.
+ 4(+0) coverity
+ ?? 45 fuzzers * 3 sanitizers+engine combos (asan+libfuzzer,
ubsan+libfuzzer, asan+afl), font parser last added
+ something wrong up-stream; not producing results.
+ unclear what changed; exception suggests no config files.
+ forcepoint – have been finding things in master
+ also in DLP libraries
+ finding some bits in filter-detection
+ lots of overlap between fuzzing & crash-testing & coverity
+ finding the same things.
+ added a fuzzer for PDF importing and finding bits in PDF export.

* Crash Reporter (Xisco)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.3.7.2
+ 1004 (last 7 days) (down)
+ 

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[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Caolan, Thorsten, Miklos, Sophie, Stephan, Heiko, Eike, Christian,
  Kendy, Michael S, Michael M, Xisco, Jmux

* Completed Action Items:
+ Check availability of people for GSOC / UI mentoring (Heiko) 
[ asked people and updated as explained ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ come up with a list of retiring committers to mail (Norbert)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
   + 6.0.0 retrospective ?
  + crashes on windows quite a lot.
   + 6.0.1.1
  + tagged a build quickly here before release, and it does fix crashers.
  + test build for en_US on pre-release server
  + release builds available later today/tomorrow
  + starting a flatpak build too (Stephan)
  + will push to download pages without blocking on QA.
  + seems to fix the known crashes (Xisco)
 + thanks to V. Stuart & Buovjaga for testing.
   + 6.0.2 – at the time of what was 6.0.1 before this & renumber upwards.
  + keeping the schedule intact.
   + 5.4.5.1
  + releasing this as final – no fixes for RC2 anyway
  + pushing this as of now on the download page.
   + thanks to Caolan & team @ RedHat
  + will update pages on release.
   + Android
  + Beta version appears to have solved all the top crashes
  + need to check how many are using the beta. (260 as of today)
   + Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
   + assumed in the air.

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
249(249) (topicUI) bugs open, 320(320) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  7(4) 17(3) 34(2)  111(2)  
 commented 63(18)   211(35)   492(-3)2078(8)  
   removed  0(0)  0(0)  2(0)   15(0)  
  resolved  3(-2)15(1) 47(-5) 220(-3) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 86 changes in 1 month, and 908 changes in 1 year
  Philips, Yousuf made 44 changes in 1 month, and 792 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 35 changes in 1 month, and 435 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 26 changes in 1 month, and 418 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 24 changes in 1 month, and 195 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 21 changes in 1 month, and 318 changes in 1 year
  Budea, Áron made 18 changes in 1 month, and 61 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Linard made 18 changes in 1 month, and 64 changes in 1 year
  Telesto made 14 changes in 1 month, and 80 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 13 changes in 1 month, and 93 changes in 1 year

   + Trouble with announced but missing features 
+ table styles depend on user settings
+ have to delete the user-directory to enable it.
+ special character was a decision
+ introduced a new button which is hidden, new one
  with floating widget is not visible.
+ some discussion on horizontal space here.
   + design people wanted to keep it.

   + Paragraph break
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=68271
→ keep current state – the old way

   + Bypassing import dialogs
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=74580
→ want a fast/default case for CSV import. Dropped needs-ux

   + ‘100 paper cuts’ GSoC project suggestion
+ ask on the design ML to submit their own top-10 cuts.
+ some sort of voting, to see what are relevant
+ get a prioritised list of student-solve-able topics.
+ some may be harder than easy-hacks.

* Crash Hunting (Caolan)
+ 0(-18) import failure, 1(+1) export failures
+ calc issues gone with different default
+ Dennis’ implicit intersection work ongoing.
+ can dig the docs out of previous crash-testing results.
   + using the BZ markup (Caolan)
   + should be there for some months.
+ mst has a fix for the 1 export issue. 
+ 4 (+0) coverity
+ 44 fuzzers * 3 sanitizers+engine combos (asan+libfuzzer,
ubsan+libfuzzer, asan+afl), writer html last added
working on embedded font parsing
+ busy funding the same issues that crash-testing find.
+ fun font parsing bits ongoing.

* Crash Reporter (Xisco)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.3.6.1
+ 951 (last 7 days) (-)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.3.7.2
+ 1451 (last 7 days) (-)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.3.2
  + 2098 (last 7 days) (-)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.4.2
  + 1529 (last 7 days) (-)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.5.1
  + 7 (last 7 days) (-)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.0.3
  + 7966 (last 7 days) (up)
   

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[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Olivier, Stephan, Eike, Sophie, Samuel T, Heiko, Caolan, Christian,
  Michael M, Miklos, Kendy, Xisco

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
+ come up with a list of retiring committers to mail (Norbert)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
   + 5.4.5 RC1 – last week of Jan – right before FOSDEM.
+ tag planned Tuesday evening.
   + 6.0 RC3 – due this week
+ tagged & built, up-loaded to pre-release server
+ announce planned last week of Jan.
+ no late features left.
+ all patches are reviewed.
+ everything looks good for a final release next week.
+ please remember to cherry-pick to libreoffice-6-0-0 +2 reviews for
  the final release.
   + Android
+ builds prepared for ARM & Intel
+ looking good → play store as an alpha version
 + hopefully crash-rates will improve a lot.
   + Online
+ some patches needing review, before RC3

* Documentation (Olivier)
   + New Help:
   + More tweaks: index results pagination (buovjaga)
   + now supports all LO languages in page UI (Olivier)
   + pending: building packages for distribution
   + building msi / RPM / DEB
   + poking at scp2 but still WIP
   + can we bootstrap from existing help packs ? (Michael)
   + Updates on traditional help pages (Laurent BP, Adolpho, Olivier)
   + Info: 96 open bugs related to help page

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
250(250) (topicUI) bugs open, 316(316) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  5(4) 13(4) 31(-1) 109(0)  
 commented 60(26)   162(8)480(-34)   2059(-25)
   removed  0(0)  0(0)  2(0)   15(-3) 
  resolved  3(-2)15(-4)51(-3) 223(-4) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 72 changes in 1 month, and 944 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Linard made 48 changes in 1 month, and 48 changes in 1 year
  Philips, Yousuf made 36 changes in 1 month, and 797 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 29 changes in 1 month, and 413 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 25 changes in 1 month, and 184 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 25 changes in 1 month, and 327 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 24 changes in 1 month, and 424 changes in 1 year
  Telesto made 13 changes in 1 month, and 77 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 13 changes in 1 month, and 218 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 9 changes in 1 month, and 44 changes in 1 year

   + LibO branding present at https://demo.identihub.co/project/libreoffice#/
   + organized by Albanian team (Ura Design)
   + possible issue with Vanilla in Mac app-store
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=115206
+ internal file-dialog showing up 
   + thanks to Gülşah Köse for improvements to Calc context
 menus (48067, 47925, 48417)

* Crash Hunting (Caolan)
+ 76(-4) import failure, 4(+0) export failures
+ couple of new export failures fixed.
+ still some calc threading issues pending.
   + Dennis patch this week to work around one type
+ implicit intersection patch pending
+ 7 (-5) coverity
+ pretty stable.
+ 44 fuzzers * 3 sanitizers+engine combos (asan+libfuzzer,
ubsan+libfuzzer, asan+afl), writer html last added
+ html seems to be tailing off finally
+ seems to be dying down here
+ very easy to get OOM with large col/row claims in tables
  + work-around patch in gerrit.
+ calc html and a few more outstanding.
+ most of the work on calc already done too.

* Crash Reporter (Xisco)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.3.6.1
+ 734 (last 7 days) (down)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.3.7.2
+ 1273 (last 7 days) (-)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.3.2
  + 1764 (last 7 days) (down)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.4.2
  + 1359 (last 7 days) (-)

+ Service down on Jan 21, 2018
+ fewer reports than usual – numbers look good.

* GSOC Application (Heiko)
+ finished registration
+ should be ready to submit this week.
+ page on wiki has been updated.
+ next deadline ? (including for ideas)

* Hackfests & Events (Michael)
+ FOSDEM hack-fest / meetings
+ dates confirmed (Monday + Tuesday), book your travel!
+ Hotel: La Grande Cloche over the street.
  + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/FOSDEM2018
+ Hamburg TNG – 1st new-style hackfest
+ outlined for April 7/8th.
+ https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfests/HackfestTNG
+ checkout the tender for 

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[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Miklos, Xisco, Olivier, Heiko, Stephan, Eike, Sophie, Christian,
+ Samuel, Michael S, Caolan, Michael M, Thorsten, David, Kendy

* Completed Action Items:
+ review HTML patch and submit
 [ tested on Mac & Windows and will merge to master (Olivier) ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ come up with a list of retiring committers to mail (Norbert)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
   + no release this week
   + 5.4.5 RC1 – last week of Jan – right before FOSDEM.
   + 6.0 RC3 – due next week
+ announce planned last week of Jan.
+ late features
+ gpg4libre branch (Thorsten)
   [ should all be in plus a bug-fix corner-case crash
 when people don’t have gpg installed, looks good for 6.0 ]
+ please remember to cherry-pick to libreoffice-6-0-0 +2 reviews for
  the final release.
   + Android
+ patches getting committed now; some reviews from Thorsten.
+ poking the Android tinderbox before doing a test release.
+ builds with bundled cairo: some memory wins (Michael)
   + Online
+ pending rc3 next.

* Documentation (Olivier)
   + Patch for activating new local help (olivier)
  + next: test packaging.
   + Books:
  + Still working on GS 6.0 book w/ community.
  + Started Calc Guide Update

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
254(254) (topicUI) bugs open, 317(317) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  1(-4)  9(-2)32(-4) 109(-2) 
 commented 34(-11)   154(8)514(-25)   2084(-39)
   removed  0(0)   0(0)  2(0)   18(-3) 
  resolved  5(3)  19(2) 54(1)  227(-7) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 56 changes in 1 month, and 985 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Linard made 46 changes in 1 month, and 46 changes in 1 year
  Philips, Yousuf made 39 changes in 1 month, and 803 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 25 changes in 1 month, and 324 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 19 changes in 1 month, and 184 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 18 changes in 1 month, and 399 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 18 changes in 1 month, and 219 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 12 changes in 1 month, and 414 changes in 1 year
  Henschel, Regina made 10 changes in 1 month, and 127 changes in 1 year
  Telesto made 9 changes in 1 month, and 81 changes in 1 year

  + Discussed how direct formatting and styles are applied and reverted
+ (tdf#112852) with the suggestion of a style inspector
→ good topic for newbies
+ another one might be to rework shortcut assignment
+ KEY_A = A != KEY_ = some non-latin char

+ two new people are showing up looking for easyhacks
+ (Abhishek Shrivastava – quickstarter & another).

* Crash Hunting (Caolan)
+ 80(+2) import failure, 760 (+760) export failures
+ still some calc threading issues pending.
+ 12 coverity
+ 44 fuzzers * 3 sanitizers+engine combos (asan+libfuzzer,
ubsan+libfuzzer, asan+afl), writer html last added
+ html an exciting set

* Crash Reporter (Xisco)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.3.6.1
+ 1020 (last 7 days) (down)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.3.7.2
+ 1347 (last 7 days) (-)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.3.2
  + 2297 (last 7 days) (down)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.4.2
  + 1353 (last 7 days) (up)


* GSOC Application (Thorsten)
+ Markus working on it; deadline Tues 23rd
+ ~90% done

* Hackfests & Events (Michael)
+ FOSDEM hack-fest / meetings
+ dates confirmed (Monday + Tuesday), book your travel!
+ Hotel: La Grande Cloche over the street.
  + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/FOSDEM2018
+ Hamburg TNG – 1st new-style hackfest
+ outlined for April 7/8th.
+ https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfests/HackfestTNG
+ checkout the tender for mentoring:
+ 
https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2018/01/16/tender-consultancy-libreoffice-feature-implementation-incl-site-development-training-201801-01/
+ layers issues – one a dup; a large problem domain here.
+ still looking for people who want help learning how to fix
  their problems interactively at a hackfest.

* mentoring/easyhack update
  committer...   1 week 1 month  3 months12 months   
  open  73(-3) 137(-13) 139(-15) 142(-15)
   reviews 604(-13)   1762(3)  5008(215)   18666(-9) 
merged 262(-51)   1062(-124)   3686(143)   12013(49) 
 abandoned  21(8) 

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[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ jani, Miklos, Xisco, Sophie, Olivier, milian, Stephan, Heiko,
  Caolan, Cloph, Kendy, Michael S, Michael M, David, Thorsten,

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
+ review HTML patch and submit to 6-0 (Kendy)
+ come up with a list of retiring committers to mail (Norbert)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
   + 5.4.4 – WinXP SDK re-build
+ replaced on the mirrors; in download archive – respin in separate 
folder
  
https://downloadarchive.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/old/5.4.4.2/win/x86/xp_respin/
 
   + 5.4.5 RC1 – last week of Jan – right before FOSDEM.
   + 6.0 RC2 (Xisco)
+ 8 patches in gerrit: 
https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/q/status:open+project:core+branch:libreoffice-6-0
+ tag & branch libreoffice-6-0-0 after the meeting
   + please review patches ASAP.
+ 2nd to last RC.
+ tripple review after the branch for libreoffice-6-0-0
+ one review for libreoffice-6-0
+ late features
+ gpg4libre branch (Thorsten)
   [ almost done with decrypting – if not making
 the deadline for RC2 get it tripple reviewed.
 worst cases disable in the UI – but don’t expect that
 marketing should still market it ? (Michael)
+ yes (Thorsten) ].
+ HTML help pieces (Olivier)
   [ progress, very close to being tested on master,
 needs patches approved & merged to master → 6.0
+ finished the intermediate files to activate help
+ fixed uno commands help too.
+ would appreciate help reviewing patch (Kendy)
+ Xisco giving good feedback.
+ tested it on Mac – with some problems.
+ does the help get into MSI files etc. ? (Michael)
+ should be an add-on, packaged in the same way.
+ Extended tips do they work ? (Cloph)
+ makefile that dtardon did, adds help tips
  to the new help
+ downside of sticking with old-style for 6.0 ? (Miklos)
+ want to improve the help content too (Olivier)
+ editing of help not a blocker (Kendy)
+ merge it ASAP to master, can switch master to it.
+ not a disaster not having it in 6.0, won’t block the
  help changes we want. ]
+ VC Runtime re-distributable installer (Cloph)
   [ merged to 6-0 on monday ]
   + Android (Cloph)
   + some patches causing a conflict, regarding runtime permissions
   + pushed something to fix stray page borders (Michael)
   + proper fix for the rendering issue from Pranav.
   + Online
   + RC2 – needs doing.

* Documentation (Olivier)
   + finally decided on book cover artwork
   + do we have time for a run-off (?)
   + Localization of online UI

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
254(254) (topicUI) bugs open, 325(325) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  5(1) 11(-1)36(-2) 111(0)  
 commented 45(11)   146(-2)   539(-19)   2123(-46)
   removed  0(0)  0(-1) 2(0)   21(0)  
  resolved  2(-3)17(-1)53(-3) 234(-6) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 47 changes in 1 month, and 1006 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Linard made 46 changes in 1 month, and 47 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 28 changes in 1 month, and 344 changes in 1 year
  Philips, Yousuf made 27 changes in 1 month, and 786 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 19 changes in 1 month, and 413 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 16 changes in 1 month, and 219 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 16 changes in 1 month, and 181 changes in 1 year
  Henschel, Regina made 14 changes in 1 month, and 130 changes in 1 year
  Telesto made 11 changes in 1 month, and 92 changes in 1 year
  Budea, Áron made 8 changes in 1 month, and 41 changes in 1 year

 * HIG: “Provide tooltips for unlabeled controls or when the label doesn't make 
the function perfectly clear.”
   + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/PropertyDialog
   + state of our art

 * Paragraph selection with or without breaks
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=68271
   + discussion in progress

 * Update of recovery dialog
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114508
   + mockup provided
   + weird workflow in the dialog.

* Crash Hunting (Caolan)
+ 78(+0) import failure, 0 export failures
+ as before christmas - still some calc threading issues pending.
+ 4 (-1) 

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[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Heiko, Olivier, Stephan, Xisco, Michael M, Miklos, Michael S,
  Kendy, Jan-Marek

* Completed Action Items:
+ ask quikee what he recommends on svg icons on dev list (Heiko)
[ quikee – on ML; some issues – when the bugs are solved,
  we should switch to SVG – plan to make it fully functional. ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ come up with a list of retiring committers to mail (Norbert)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
   + 
   + 5.4.4 – WinXP SDK re-build (?)
   + 5.4.5 
+ 6.0 RC1
+ builds are done, and up-loading
+ no additional branch yet – but on -6-0 branch
+ still in 1x review mode.
+ 6-0-0 branch is due Jan 9th for RC2.
+ late features
+ gpg4libre branch (Thorsten)
   [ almost done with decrypting – but negative time.
 expect things next week. ] 
+ HTML help pieces (Olivier)
   [ still working, not yet ready – fixing l10n issues
 working sfx2 to make it work.
 Kendy has a patch to help out. ]
+ ‘experimental’ Calc / threading UI setting (Michael)
   [ merged option with scary message ]
+ VC Runtime re-distributable installer (Cloph)
   [ change added to master, included in TB builds,
 will cherry-pick to 6-0 branch ]
   + Android
   + Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ Several fixes / additions for help pages contents (Olivier)
+ Patch to open new help locally (Kendy, Olivier, Tomaz)
+ https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/47383/1
+ Needs a bit of advice there.
+ how to set a timer to wait for browser opening.
+ can’t erase the /tmp file before the browser uses it.
+ is this generated on the fly ? (Michael)
 + can’t use the file:/// protocol (Olivier)
   or it opens it inside the file manager
   then open shell with this HTML file.
+ delete temporary folder on exit of LibreOffice (Kendy)
 + easy to catch with a ‘static’ object destructor.
 + already working as-is temp files are cleaned on exit 
(Olivier)
+ better help page layout and display from UX (Andreas K, Buovjaga) .
+ coming real soon 
+ Open question: we use Javascript in our new help pages
+ do users complain wrt. Having NoScript enabled in browser. 
+ should we address this too ?
+ leave this for later / wontfix ?
+ dynamically adapt content for platforms with JS
+ no problem with noscript expected (Kendy)
 + should be able to generate page that works even with no JS
+ Resuming book edition for 6.0 Getting started next Monday.
AI: + review HTML patch and submit to 6-0 (Kendy)

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
254(254) (topicUI) bugs open, 325(325) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month3 months   12 months  
 added  4(0) 12(1)  38(-2) 111(0)  
 commented 34(-1)   148(-13)   558(1) 2169(-9) 
   removed  0(0)  1(-1)  2(0)   21(0)  
  resolved  5(1) 18(-2) 56(1)  240(-1) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 54 changes in 1 month, and 1039 changes in 1 year
  Philips, Yousuf made 31 changes in 1 month, and 780 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 30 changes in 1 month, and 406 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 23 changes in 1 month, and 350 changes in 1 year
  Henschel, Regina made 17 changes in 1 month, and 130 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 17 changes in 1 month, and 180 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 17 changes in 1 month, and 225 changes in 1 year
  Monastirsky, Maxim made 11 changes in 1 month, and 33 changes in 1 
year
  kompilainenn made 10 changes in 1 month, and 25 changes in 1 year
  Zolnai, Tamás made 9 changes in 1 month, and 145 changes in 1 year

+ reworking the color palette based on real math now
+ confusion of what is purple vs. indigo at the start
+ all being re-done; will look similar – but with exact values change
+ will need to adjust gradients, table styles etc.
+ rearranging controls in the customization dialog
+ to have labels on all controls, improves a11y too.
+ looking for code review on https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/46971/
+ tooltips for track-changes, seeking a reviewer.

* Crash Hunting (Caolan)
+ 
+ 81 (-9) import failure, 0 export failures
+ still some calc threading issues pending.
+ 8? (-6) coverity
+ ?? fuzzers * 3 sanitizers+engine combos (asan+libfuzzer,
ubsan+libfuzzer, asan+afl), writer html newly added
+ calc 

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[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Stephan, Olivier, Eike, Michael M, Heiko, Sophie, Cloph,
  Miklos, Kendy, Caolán, Thorsten

* Completed Action Items:
+ remove internal file-picker from the options page (Heiko)
+ add internal file-picker removal to “pending removal”
  release-notes in 6.0 (Heiko)
   + ticket for discussion; Rene has concerns
   https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114484
 commit comment was misleading just disabled file (Michael)
   + the internal print dialog is not shown at all, see comment on
 ticket (Heiko) ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ come up with a list of retiring committers to mail (Norbert)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
   + 5.4.4 RC2
+ released as final yesterday.
+ issue installing on WinXP – forgot the SDK switch to enable it.
   + builds are running, and will replace builds on mirrors when done
   + re-doing and replace & announce on twitter.
+ 6.0 RC1
+ builds are done, and up-loading
+ no additional branch yet – but on -6-0 branch
+ still in 1x review mode.
+ 6-0-0 branch is due Jan 9th for RC2.
+ late features
+ gpg4libre branch (Thorsten)
   [ almost done with decrypting – but negative time.
 expect things next week. ] 
+ HTML help pieces (Olivier)
   [ still working, not yet ready – fixing l10n issues
 working sfx2 to make it work.
 Kendy has a patch to help out. ]
+ ‘experimental’ Calc / threading UI setting (Michael)
   [ disabled threading by default for 6.0
 not got this setting in ? (Michael)
+ apparently patch in 6-0 (Eike)
  + fine with keeping it in if translators are happy
  + no problem (Sophie)
+ seems its not in – lets push it but mark it highly
  experimental (Eike) ]
+ VC Runtime re-distributable installer (Cloph)
   [ change added to master, included in TB builds,
 will cherry-pick to 6-0 branch ]
   + Android
+ patch for unified headers don’t switch to llvm on ARM
+ working for Intel & ARM – but still in gerrit
+ along with patches avoiding Nnullptr exceptions loading docs.
   + Online
+ 6.0.0 RC1 source up-loaded
+ ongoing fixing & polish there.

* Documentation (Olivier)
   + Working on the XSLT transformation to get relative paths for help
  + same pages will serve local and online versions
   + Several corrections and additions to help pages
   + Working on the LO call to the local help in HTML
   + Guides 6.0: Stalled. Holliday season
   + found issue with online docs (Stephan)
  + start page – get a re-direct to somewhere with no-redirect token
  + something broke; filed a red-mine ticket.

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
254(254) (topicUI) bugs open, 328(328) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month3 months   12 months  
 added  2(0) 10(-1) 39(-4) 109(-5) 
 commented 26(-6)   152(-25)   538(-36)   2192(-68)
   removed  0(0)  2(0)   3(-2)  21(0)  
  resolved  5(2) 20(0)  58(2)  243(1)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 63 changes in 1 month, and 1059 changes in 1 year
  Philips, Yousuf made 30 changes in 1 month, and 785 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 22 changes in 1 month, and 395 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 19 changes in 1 month, and 352 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 16 changes in 1 month, and 409 changes in 1 year
  Zolnai, Tamás made 16 changes in 1 month, and 145 changes in 1 year
  Henschel, Regina made 13 changes in 1 month, and 125 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 13 changes in 1 month, and 25 changes in 1 year
  Monastirsky, Maxim made 12 changes in 1 month, and 33 changes in 1 
year
  Cor Nouws made 10 changes in 1 month, and 181 changes in 1 year

  + late changes to Draw main menu
   + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/46867/
   + could also be done without string changes
   + getting very late wrt. freezes (Michael)
   + lets not make a habit of it.
   + if several strings – not important to break freeze (Sophie)
   + can we get it in without the string changes ? (Heiko)
   => lets keep it as is – and do it in -6-1

  + new default colors for shapes, problem with unit tests
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=112541
+ 
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/unit-test-for-COL-DEFAULT-SHAPE-FILLING-tt4229400.html
+ changing the default color – to have a different non-sky-blue name
   + have to 

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[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Stephan, Eike, Heiko, Olivier, Sophie, Miklos, Xisco, Caolan,
  Thorsten, Christian, Michael S

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
+ come up with a list of retiring committers to mail (Norbert)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.0 Beta 2 status
+ late features
+ gpg4libre branch (Thorsten)
   [ largely done, problems decrypting ] 
+ HTML help pieces (Olivier, Cloph)
   [ Shinnok is progressing with the scripts ]
+ ‘experimental’ Calc / threading UI setting (Michael)
   [ add to allow enabling if people want it ]
+ VC Runtime re-distributable installer (Cloph)
   [ will provide builds for testers ]
   + 6.0 RC1 – freeze next Tues Dec 19th
   + 5.4.4 RC2 status
   + Android
+ have a patch for unified headers
+ using llvm C++ crashes on ARM, so using GNU stl for ARM for now.
   + Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
 + Many fixes in help pages, mostly typos and updates (O Hallot, G. 
Kelemen, Fitoshido)
 + New help pages on Presenter Console and Calc’s data form.
 + New Help Makefiles landed thanks to David Tardon
   + working nicely.
   + need to connect LibreOffice to this new help.
   + some sfx2 / sfxhelp.cxx goodness needed.
 + Getting Started Guide stalled.
 + FOSDEM talk accepted.

* Testing Jitsi for ESC calls (Michael)
   + https://meet.jit.si/TDFESC
   + working nicely with 11 people
   + awesome quality (Thorsten)

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
258(258) (topicUI) bugs open, 366(366) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month3 months   12 months   
 added  6(0)  18(2)  46(-1) 115(-3)  
 commented 35(-30)   182(-46)   620(-12)   2313(-109)
   removed  0(0)   0(0)   4(0)   19(0)   
  resolved  5(0)  19(-3) 56(2)  245(2)   
+ top 10 contributors:
  Philips, Yousuf made 66 changes in 1 month, and 802 changes in 1 year
  Tietze, Heiko made 60 changes in 1 month, and 1095 changes in 1 year
  Zolnai, Tamás made 54 changes in 1 month, and 134 changes in 1 year
  Faulí Tarazona, Xisco made 52 changes in 1 month, and 395 changes in 
1 y
  Dieter Praas made 40 changes in 1 month, and 90 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 28 changes in 1 month, and 432 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 16 changes in 1 month, and 267 changes in 1 year
  Christian Lehmann made 16 changes in 1 month, and 20 changes in 1 year
  Henschel, Regina made 16 changes in 1 month, and 126 changes in 1 year
  Krot, Serge made 14 changes in 1 month, and 14 changes in 1 year
   + Gradients submitted
+ some clang compilation problem.
+ https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/46428/
+ UITest_writer_demo failure, probably caused by the change after 
all
   + Elementary icons submitted
+ people working on them; people working on them. 
   + string changes:
+ planning terminology changes for bullet list styles,
+ changing List 1 → Roman List Lowercase
+ formats at find dialog, and customization
+ renaming bits here.
+ getting them ready before the hard string freeze.
   + proposing to flag internal file picker dialogs obsolete
 + many tickets on this topic (tdf#87860), bad usability
 + reasons for the dialog were kde4 – will have Qt5 dialog
 + concept of self-made file-picker not working.
 + we have CMIS dialogs for access to remote servers.
+ Open Remote Files eg.
 + what about http:// webdav URLs ? (Eike)
+ expect open-from-remote to replace that (Thorsten)
 => remove the option from the options page.
+ release-note – add to 6.0 “pending removal” list for 6.1
 + the ‘gen’ backend depends on generic file-picker (Caolan)
+ cancelled plan to drop it for now though.

* Crash Hunting (Caolan)
+ 143 import failure, 38 export failures
+ mstahl has fixed the exports
+ Calc threading crashers (Dennis on it)
+ believe all import crashers are calc
+ MATCH changes dependencies → black-list
+ TextSearch issue, implicit intersection ...
+ 6 coverity
+ 3 old lingering java warnings, see list mail fix/ignore etc.
+ Java lovers’ input appreciated.
+ 43 (+1) fuzzers * 3 sanitizers+engine combos (asan+libfuzzer,
ubsan+libfuzzer, asan+afl)
+ latest is mathtype
+ digging these out of parent documents.
+ (writer) html next but can’t even get a short local run bug free yet
+ leaves calc html import as the last one to do.
+ including two filters here.

* Crash Reporter (Xisco)
+ 

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[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Sophie, Caolan, Heiko, Xisco, Olivier, Miklos, Kendy, Stephan,
  Eike, Christian, Michael S, Jan-Marek, Shinnok, Norbert

* Completed Action Items:
+ look into ulimit -c unlimited-ness on CI slaves (Cloph)
[ done: only 2x didn’t have it set – the others did already.
  Not seen issue again yet (Stephan) ]
+ check for increased crashes when enabling 5.4.3 updating (Christian)
[ not live yet – but will poke Xisco when it is ]
+ find code pointer auto-format table style config merging (Caolan)
[ dropped ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ come up with a list of retiring committers to mail (Norbert)
+ find data for x86 / Linux downloads with view to removing for 6.0 (Cloph)
[ have the data, not broken down yet: termbin.com/2jc2 ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.0 Beta 1
+ tagging delayed until Saturday
   + fixes related win signing / actually packaging etc.
   + got packages for the bug-hunting session
   + a few manual disables of unit tests for windows
   + curl update makes test fail, and win file locking too.
   + now tests non-fatal if can’t delete file thanks to Stephan.
   + back-port to 6.0 if possible (Cloph)
+ late features
   + HTML help pieces (Olivier, Cloph)
   [ started looking at scripts (Shinnok)
+ poked at portability issues.
+ will work with Olivier to fix details.
 Like David T’s approach (Kendy)
+ lets have a CustomTarget to start with first
+ good to sync with him first ‘dtardon’ ]
   + missing piece from customization GSoC (Heiko)
   [ mkara finished it so macros & styles work,
 ready to submit, Bubli reviewing ]
   + 6.0 Beta 2 (optional)
+ due next week in case late-features / big fixes are ready.
+ otherwise, no pressing reason to do one.
+ issue with Mac: Impress/Draw not working: hard to test
   + 5.4.4 RC1: this week
+ not tagged yet, quite a few patches in the queue to review.
+ 9 are left, should be easy to review.
+ https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/q/status:open+branch:libreoffice-5-4 
   + Android
+ have a workaround for the rendering issue in gerrit.
+ disabling the charts on top of tiles as a workaround.
+ have a build with those fixes for QA to test.
   + Online
+ branched and source pushed.

* FOSDEM / Brussels, 3 & 4 February 2018
   + Submit papers: **deadline this Monday: Dec 4**
   + https://penta.fosdem.org/submission/FOSDEM18 
   + Submitted ?
   + Michael M – calc threading
   + Heiko - Proposal for better font handling in LibreOffice
   + Xisco – LibreOffice QA - One Year Overview.
   + Talks ?
   + Caolan – fuzzing talk ?
   + Kendy – Online dialog tunneling (?)
   + Miklos – ePUB talk (?)
   + Samuel – don’t know.
   + Christian – a dashboard talk.
   + Olivier – Converging documentation
   + Stephan – giving thought to topic.
   + Michael S – still planning.
   + mkara - Customization 
   + more most welcome ...

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ Help online
   + remarks on makefiles by D. Tardon
   + some progress with shinnok
   + patch for better UI (G. Chiquinni)
+ Getting start book:
   + progressing towards 6.0, features already set.

* Testing Jitsi for ESC calls (Michael)
   + https://meet.jit.si/TDFESC ?
   + BoD & design people using it for meetings
   + Staff meeting going well with 8-9 people (Xisco)
   + audio is better without cameras (Olivier)
   + would this be ok for phone people ?
   + Stephan, Eike, Sophie, ...
   => try it next time.

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
258(258) (topicUI) bugs open, 366(366) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month3 months   12 months   
 added  6(0)  18(2)  46(-1) 115(-3)  
 commented 35(-30)   182(-46)   620(-12)   2313(-109)
   removed  0(0)   0(0)   4(0)   19(0)   
  resolved  5(0)  19(-3) 56(2)  245(2)   
+ top 10 contributors:
  Philips, Yousuf made 66 changes in 1 month, and 802 changes in 1 year
  Tietze, Heiko made 60 changes in 1 month, and 1095 changes in 1 year
  Zolnai, Tamás made 54 changes in 1 month, and 134 changes in 1 year
  Faulí Tarazona, Xisco made 52 changes in 1 month, and 395 changes in 
1 y
  Dieter Praas made 40 changes in 1 month, and 90 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 28 changes in 1 month, and 432 changes in 1 year
  Henschel, Regina made 16 changes in 1 month, and 126 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 16 changes in 1 month, and 267 changes in 1 year
  

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[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Eike, Christian, Miklos, Heiko, Sophie, Kendy, Stephan, Mike S,
  Xisco, Samuel, Caolan, Michael S, Michael M

* Completed Action Items:
+ ask Norbert wrt. Bisect repos for Mac (Michael)
[ same tooling & commands as on Linux, Windows
+ opened a redmine ticket (Xisco)
+ 
https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/issues/2412#change-13809
+ discussing locally or in a data-center ]
+ mail devs asking if they’d like to be certified (Stephan)
+ script a ‘make check’ clang-format option (Miklos)
[ thanks to Markus for helping & deploying LODE changes ]
+ mail the list wrt. bundling GPG-4-Win (Thorsten)
[ dropped ]
+ fwd build details on Mac / CVE build / test failure to the list (Shinnok)
[ abandoned for now ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ come up with a list of retiring committers to mail (Norbert)
+ find code pointer auto-format table style config merging (Caolan)
+ find data for x86 / Linux downloads with view to removing for 6.0 (Cloph)
[ have the data, not broken down yet: termbin.com/2jc2 ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ back from vacation
+ 6.0 Beta 1 update & feature freeze: week 47 (of Nov 20th)
+ this week will branch for 6.0
   + asked to wait for some fixes.
   + one pending from Samuel this evening
   + splash screen bits too ? (Heiko)
   + like to have it in the Beta.
   + HTML help won’t be ready for B1
   + GPG bits are submitted, but need gcc/cygwin compiler to build.
   + is it a new compile dependency ? (Michael)
   + tried hard not to rely on it (Cloph)
   + think a permanent requirement
+ late features
   + HTML help pieces (Olivier, Cloph)
   [ will do the make integration (Cloph)
 have scripts that work (Olivier) ]
   + GPG / Windows bits (Samuel)
   [ is now in, fixes coming ... ]
   + Calc threading bits (Michael)
   [ merged, fixes coming ... ]
   + Calc column span update from Noel (Michael)
   [ unlikely to make it – needs more design work ]
   + missing piece from customization GSoC (Heiko)
   [ mkara submitted a new patch, it was accepted
 missing piece is macros – still working on it.
 Styles are working, but macros are missing. ]
   + 5.4.4 RC1: week 48 (of Nov 27th)
+ next week.
   + Android
+ patches to use NDK16 and unified headers this introduces
+ font rendering issue still a problem.
   + Online
+ branch and beta source archive coming.

* FOSDEM / Brussels, 3 & 4 February 2018
   + Papers deadline Dec 4
   + https://penta.fosdem.org/submission/FOSDEM18 
   + Coming:
   + Caolan – fuzzing talk ?
   + Heiko - ?
   + Kendy – Online dialog tunneling (?)
   + Mike S – planning to interview people, bringing the camera
   + Miklos – ePUB talk (?)
   + Samuel – don’t know.
   + Xisco – talk to pentabarf quietly.
   + Christian – a dashboard talk.
   + Olivier – Converging documentation
   + Stephan – giving thought to topic.
   + Michael S – still planning.
   + Michael M – calc threading
   + more most welcome ...

* Documentation (Olivier)
   + More work on integration of new help into build
   + (gbuild makefiles not easy to hack !)
   + lots of people coming to help: cloph, dtardon, shinnok
   + talk and action with Mike Saunders to set a prototype XHP editor
   + Getting Started guide 6.0
   + Last meeting was adjourned due to connectivity issues. Resume next 
Monday.
   + awaiting latest 6.0 features to write about.

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
261(261) (topicUI) bugs open, 369(369) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month3 months   12 months  
 added  6(2) 17(-3) 46(-1) 118(0)  
 commented 62(23)   225(-47)   629(-2)2410(-9) 
   removed  0(0)  0(0)   4(-1)  19(-1) 
  resolved  6(4) 22(1)  54(2)  244(3)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Philips, Yousuf made 102 changes in 1 month, and 825 changes in 1 year
  Tietze, Heiko made 82 changes in 1 month, and 1125 changes in 1 year
  Faulí Tarazona, Xisco made 68 changes in 1 month, and 402 changes in 
1 y
  Zolnai, Tamás made 60 changes in 1 month, and 136 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 32 changes in 1 month, and 429 changes in 1 year
  dieterp made 31 changes in 1 month, and 81 changes in 1 year
  Henschel, Regina made 20 changes in 1 month, and 125 changes in 1 year
  Christian Lehmann made 19 changes in 1 month, and 19 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 

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[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Sophie, Michael M, Stephan, Kendy, Heiko, Xisco, Caolan, Miklos,
  Eike, Shinnok, Thorsten

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
+ come up with a list of retiring committers to mail (Norbert)
+ find code pointer auto-format table style config merging (Caolan)
+ mail the list wrt. bundling GPG-4-Win (Thorsten)
+ find data for x86 / Linux downloads with view to removing for 6.0 (Cloph)
[ have the data, not broken down yet: termbin.com/2jc2 ]
+ fwd build details on Mac / CVE build / test failure to the list (Shinnok)
[ Bartoz removed obsolete, non LODE details from the wiki
  removed quick-setup and mac-ports setup, recommends to
  --disable-cve-tests on the Mac. 
  It works for me; what’s the issue (Stephan)
  re-send the mail to the list / Stephan (Shinnok) ]

* Release Engineering update (Xisco)
+ 6.0 Beta 1 & feature freeze: week 47 (of Nov 20th)
+ late features
   + HTML help pieces (Kendy)
   [ still working to integrate some scripts into Makefiles 
(Olivier)
  concern wrt. this getting finished (Kendy)
 anyone interested could help Olivier with gnumake ]
   + GPG / Windows bits (Thorsten)
   [ still not in yet ]
   + bundling GPG-4-Win ? (Thorsten)
   [ removing this item – will link on website somewhere ]
   + Calc threading review with Eike (Michael)
   [ had a call, minutes on the list, doing last fixing before merge
 SvNumberFormatter locking needs fixing first
  + plan to have it enabled for beta (Eike)
 + disabled / experimental for release (Eike) ].
   + KDE5 – merge but perhaps not ready for 6.0 (Thorsten)
   [ ignore this as a late-feature ]
   + Calc column span update from Noel (Michael)
   [ looking for help to get this integrated ]
   + missing piece from customization GSoC (Heiko)
   + mkara will try to submit a new patch by Monday
   + 5.4.4 RC1: week 48 (of Nov 27th) 
   + Android
   + Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
   + More work on integration of new help into build
   + Patch need advise for further improvements and developments
 https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/44793/ 
   + (gbuild makefiles not easy to hack !)
   + Getting Started guide 6.0
   + cover being voted until next Sunday (19)
   + awaiting latest 6.0 features to write about

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
258(258) (topicUI) bugs open, 375(375) (needsUXEval)
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  4(-3) 20(0) 47(-1) 118(0)  
 commented 39(-33)   272(4)631(-43)   2419(-26)
   removed  0(0)   0(0)  5(0)   20(-1) 
  resolved  2(-5) 21(-4)52(-3) 241(1)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Philips, Yousuf made 145 changes in 1 month, and 823 changes in 1 year
  Tietze, Heiko made 117 changes in 1 month, and 1153 changes in 1 year
  Faulí Tarazona, Xisco made 56 changes in 1 month, and 383 changes in 
1 y
  Thomas Lendo made 45 changes in 1 month, and 428 changes in 1 year
  Zolnai, Tamás made 37 changes in 1 month, and 108 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 29 changes in 1 month, and 188 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 28 changes in 1 month, and 78 changes in 1 year
  Christian Lehmann made 18 changes in 1 month, and 18 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 17 changes in 1 month, and 400 changes in 1 year
  Henschel, Regina made 14 changes in 1 month, and 119 changes in 1 year
+ lots of discussion in UX call yesterday
+ Frames set to wrap-trough will be transparent by default tdf#71920
+ UX tweak to the defaults for frames (but not shapes, images)

+ Concerns to use the newly bundled Liberation font in templates
+ instead of Arial/Times? Or rather go with
   Calibri/Cambria/Carlito/Caladea | Noto.
   + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/43625/
+ not blocking it (Kendy)
   + previously the shell extension used Arial
   + concern wrt. metric compatibility
+ don’t create documents as if they’re from a different program (Heiko)
   + Liberation good for branding.
=> go with new templates as is.

* clang-format-ness review (Miklos)
+ discussed versions situation with sberg
   => will give-up on supporting mutiple versions
   + git hook only works with 5.0.0 stable version
+ prints a warning if you modify a non-black-list file.
   + prints out a link to the binaries
+ would be nice to progress on gerrit integration
   + is it useful to have a script in core to validate the latest commit ?
   + ci 

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Jan-Marek, Lionel, Caolan, Heiko, Miklos, Olivier, Xisco, Michael M,
  Sophie, Eike, Stephan, Kendy, Michael S

* Completed Action Items:
+ build new binary table style file for 32bits (Heiko)
[ Michael S patched things so it works now, all working again,
  Nightly builds have the new styles now. ]
+ provide / check web-page on dev certification process (Kendy)
[ poked Italo to find out what to check – unclear (Kendy)
  no idea what this was either (Sophie)
  → drop the task. ]
+ run dev certification script (Kendy/Thorsten)
[ have one name without running the script ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ mail the list wrt. bundling GPG-4-Win (Thorsten)
+ find data for x86 / Linux downloads with view to removing for 6.0 (Cloph)
[ have the data, not broken down yet: termbin.com/2jc2 ]
+ fwd build details on Mac / CVE build / test failure to the list (Shinnok)
[ Bartoz removed obsolete, non LODE details from the wiki
  removed quick-setup and mac-ports setup, recommends to
  --disable-cve-tests on the Mac. 
  It works for me; what’s the issue (Stephan)
  re-send the mail to the list / Stephan (Shinnok) ]

* Release Engineering update (Xisco)
+ 5.4.3 RC2 released today
+ 5.3.7 RC2 released as final last week
+ 6.0 Alpha1 status
+ 6.0 Beta 1 & feature freeze: week 47 (of Nov 20th)
+ late featuresken
   + HTML help pieces (Kendy)
  [ still working to integrate some scripts into Makefiles (Olivier)
  expect to have it working soon tomorrow / monday ]
   + GPG / Windows bits (Thorsten)
   + Calc threading review with Eike (Michael)
  [ will have a public call next week for those interested ]
   + KDE5 – merge but perhaps not ready for 6.0 (Thorsten)
   + can’t build on baseline anyway (Michael S)
   + bundling GPG-4-Win ? (Thorsten)
   + Calc column span update from Noel (Michael)
   + missing piece from customization GSOC (Heiko)
   + in past – could assign a macro command to a menu / toolbar item
   + currently master has a significant regression ?
   + really important (Xisco, Lionel, Michael)
   + if you see office suite as a RAD base (Lionel)
   + essential for custom business apps 
   + mkara has a patch to fix this:
   + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/42594/
   + queries on impl. from Bubli.
   + if not ready for 6.0 – we revert it;
 give some grace post feature-freeze perhaps.
   + could it be experimental perhaps & have the old ver ? (Kendy)
+ Updating service – expected to miss 6.0 (Cloph)
+ Android
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New fixes in help pages by G. Kelemen, M. Kaganski
+ Still working on new help packaging Makefiles (Olivier)
+ Started to work on an online XHP editor (Mike)
  + Contacted Jean Spiteri (liongold) and Ilmari (buovjaga) for 
assistance  and collecting ideas (Mike)
+ Documentation team now looking for latest features to add contents to 
guide
+ Please add new features to wiki page.
+ Vote for next book cover blog post (Heiko)
  + Please vote! 
https://design.blog.documentfoundation.org/2017/11/08/cover-for-libreoffice/ 
  + can Olivier monitor and answer comments

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
261(261) (topicUI) bugs open, 383(383) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  7(5) 20(0) 48(5)  118(3)  
 commented 72(27)   268(38)   674(109)   2445(77) 
   removed  0(0)  0(0)  5(-1)  21(0)  
  resolved  7(1) 25(2) 55(0)  240(2)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Philips, Yousuf made 152 changes in 1 month, and 823 changes in 1 year
  Tietze, Heiko made 116 changes in 1 month, and 1163 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 48 changes in 1 month, and 426 changes in 1 year
  Faulí Tarazona, Xisco made 48 changes in 1 month, and 384 changes in 
1 y
  Cor Nouws made 46 changes in 1 month, and 207 changes in 1 year
  Zolnai, Tamás made 34 changes in 1 month, and 105 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 23 changes in 1 month, and 79 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 22 changes in 1 month, and 407 changes in 1 year
  Christian Lehmann made 14 changes in 1 month, and 14 changes in 1 year
  Henschel, Regina made 14 changes in 1 month, and 121 changes in 1 year

+ new default table style
+ new meeting time (evening either today or yesterday)
+ 

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Kendy, Xisco, Heiko, Stephan, Christian, Michael M,
  Sophie, Michael S, Caolán, Mike Saunders, Olivier, Thorsten,
  Miklos, Eike, Shinnok

* Completed Action Items:
+ ship the horror win / VC runtime DLLs with the installer (Cloph)
[ patch appears to work, but we already have them in the installer
  if you do an admin-install they are already installed.
  we ship them twice – once as LibreOffice, but once as a run-time 
module
  not entirely elegant.
  for 5.4 – merge it as-is, for 6.0 do something clever.
http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/libreoffice-5-4/Win-x86@62-TDF/tdf_108580/

]
+ research the best way to build HTML help / documentation (Olivier)
[ working actively on this (Olivier)
  expect to have a solution quite fast.
  WIP patch pushed to gerrit for core/ (Kendy)
  checks if HTML help is installed or not,
  will add opening of pages later
  https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/43963/ 
]

* Pending Action Items:
+ run dev certification script (Kendy/Thorsten)
[ have one name without running the script ]
+ provide / check web-page on dev certification process (Kendy)
[ poke Italo to find out what to check (Kendy) ]
+ find data for x86 / Linux downloads with view to removing for 6.0 (Cloph)
[ have the data, not broken down yet: termbin.com/2jc2 ]
+ fwd build details on Mac / CVE build / test failure to the list (Shinnok)
[ Bartoz removed obsolete, non LODE details from the wiki
  removed quick-setup and mac-ports setup, recommends to
  --disable-cve-tests on the Mac. 
  It works for me; what’s the issue (Stephan)
  re-send the mail to the list / Stephan (Shinnok) ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.4.3 RC2
  https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/q/status:open+branch:libreoffice-5-4-3 
  10 patches waiting
+ plan to tag this evening
+ please help review things.
+ 5.3.7 RC2 released as final today
  Resolves: tdf#111428 implement CellStoreEvent::swap() in 
ScColumn::SwapCol()
  possible ugly bug – 5.3.8 ?
+ Eike found a nasty bug, is it enough to do a 5.3.8
+ can lead to non-re-calculated values; would be nice to fix in 5.3
+ do we need a new release ? (Michael)
+ fixed in released 5.4.3 bits
+ merge it to the -5-3 branch in case of new release ?
+ quite a specific scenario (Eike)
   + would like to get it out if we can.
+ fine to encourage people to use 5.4 (Cloph)
   + move people to 5.4 a bit earlier too perhaps.
+ 6.0 Alpha1
+ 6.0 feature freeze: week 47 (Nov 20th)
+ late features
+ HTML help pieces (Kendy)
   + GPG / Windows bits (Thorsten)
   + Calc threading review with Eike (Michael)
   + KDE5 – merge but perhaps not ready for 6.0 (Thorsten)
   + can’t build on baseline anyway (Michael S)
   + bundling GPG-4-Win – a 25Mb package for GPG
 encrypt/sign for Win? (Thorsten)
   + pointer for an extra download ?
   + License ? (Michael)
   + mix of GPL/LGPL (Thorsten)
   + want access to encryption reasonably easily
   + maintenance / security updates etc. an issue.
   + 10% increase – for perhaps minority benefit.
AI:+ mail the list (Thorsten)
   + Calc column span update from Noel (Michael)
+ Updating service – expected to miss 6.0 (Cloph)
+ Android
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ Broke large script for new help into smaller pieces
+ aim to make easy for build and packaging integration
+ looking into how to hack a makefile
+ https://goo.gl/A8dGVf
+ resuming book editing with doc community for 6.0
+ cover of the book – is under discussion.
+ looking at XML editor for help + workflow (Mike S)
+ a bunch of technical things to investigate here.

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
252(252) (topicUI) bugs open, 395(395) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  2(-7) 20(-3)43(-1) 115(-2) 
 commented 45(-32)   230(17)   565(17)2368(-14)
   removed  0(0)   0(0)  6(0)   21(-1) 
  resolved  6(-1) 23(4) 55(-6) 238(-20)
+ top 10 contributors:
  Philips, Yousuf made 134 changes in 1 month, and 792 changes in 1 year
  Tietze, Heiko made 113 changes in 1 month, and 1203 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 57 changes in 1 month, and 475 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 40 changes in 1 month, and 201 changes in 1 year

[Libreoffice-qa] ESC / Rome discussion ...

[Michael Meeks]

Rather free-form, and not entirely serious:

Miklos‘ (Heretical) style plan
Encouraging style consistency – with tooling.
Re-formatting the whole code-base is rather controversial
Compromise: build a black-list of all existing code, for new code 
enforce existing style
Do we want that ?
If so – use clang-format – seems to be most mature project for 
this.
LLVM, Chromium using this
a new dependency for a developer
life of windows/mac devs should be easy.
Provide statically linked windows / mac here.
Chrome already does this.

What should be the actual config ?
3 years ago – Caolan sent a clang-format config, see 
https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/2014-August/062802.html
close-enough to the binary doc-filter.
some git-hook to enforce this for non-black-listed files.
Bit of perl hacking for the git commit hook needed.
Good to get input from the wider community first.

If you say – existing code is allowed to keep its diversity (Bjoern)
only new code in specific style.
Derive from class that is pre-existing.
Criteria would be per-file (Stephan)
style is mostly white-space (Miklos)

Lets try to avoid lots of new file splitting (Michael)

If someone does a very large change in a file anyway (Kendy)
and if not touched very often, no back-port pain
re-formatting could be possible
if done for lots of files → ESC.
Cosmetic renaming in writer just before branch (Miklos)

Last 3 months – 150 new files (Miklos)
A good test-bed.

New vs. Renamed files (Stephan)
when we get to the point that we can‘t see it is moved.
When move a file – do cleans as separate commit.
Important it is an easy-workflow
Can you add a demo for this ?

Requirements – enforcing script (Miklos)
print a diff – and auto-fix your code so doesn‘t have to be 
manual
Chromium does this automatically … a pre-gerrit hook.
Can do something similar for pre-gerrit.

Would you have a website to see what it should be ? (Cloph)
not planned (Miklos)
some website with clang-format options.

Style bits doesn‘t break stuff on master (Bjoern)
If it is wrong, doesn‘t break someone from working on master.
Is it better to start with a weekly that fixes up the style in 
new commits
Prefer a single commit (Miklos)

Like an option of a different clang config per sub-dir (Michael)
The benefits should out-weigh the ideas of what code should 
look like (Stephan)

Chromium – clang-format gets a number of fixes (Stephan)
using clang-trunk / your version from your distro
if they have different ideas: turns into an edit-war.
Is it a real issue for Chromium ?
Clang-format developers guarentee some back-compat
What does Chromium do for this ?
1 layout-change; sort include in the same block 
alphabetically
system-headers previously, others afterwards eg.
Small enough to live with it.

Chromium – has a static binary provided even for Linux → same 
everywhere.

Do we want to re-order headers ? (Kendy)
can break the build – in a new file ? …
if this happens – can fix the code – headers self-contained 
(Miklos)
just an example of behavior change.
Currently proposed config doesn’t sort includes (Miklos)

Should Miklos come up with a prototype ?
Yes.

Image format / separate Alpha (Caolan)
Dual bitmaps – normal content & doesn’t map very well
Transparency is different to cairo, Mac, and GL.
0 is complete transparency, 255 means transparent (VCL)
we re-write all our alpha as we use it.
Would be nice to have ‘normal’ RGBA bits.
Would kill the old 16bit horrors in the X11/VCL backend
drop old / non-24bit X – and re-use gtk3 / cairo backend for 
everything.
Drop the generic backend.
Useful for bisection (?)
If we’re 24bit – can remove the transparency.
Keep an eye out for the meta-files.
Push it out the file-formats.
Should give more acceleration on 

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Thorsten, Caolan, Heiko, Miklos, Kendy, Olivier, Xisco, Michael M, 
Stephan, Sophie,
  Christian, Eike, Jan-Marek

* Completed Action Items:
+ bisect and analyze bug#112558 (Xisco)
[ Bisected - it points to the Khaled patch: 
34d7602954d4483b3bc9db700e7df2c15348947a
  affects Calc - and reproducible onlt with some fonts,
  https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=112558 ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ research the best way to build HTML help / documentation / for 6.0 
(Olivier)
[ still working on this, lets discuss next week. ]
+ fix scripts producing junk numbers for crash testing (7 and 7) (Shinnok)
[ pending – making the scripts work again. ]
+ fwd build details on Mac / CVE build / test failure to the list (Shinnok)
[ still working on this, hope to have it done today ]
+ switch default to x86_64 / Windows for testing & pre-releases of 6.0 
(Cloph)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.4.2 RC2 status
+ on mirrors as final, to be announced in the next minutes
+ release-note 
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108580 ?
+ added it to the release-notes (Thorsten)
+ no good way to solve this (apparently) - MS don't know either
+ if its missing LibreOffice won't run
+ can ship the DLLs in the tree, or ask the user to install a MS
  re-distributable.
 + VS 2015 re-distributables not everywhere -> the problem.
 + we used to ship them (Michael)
 + was a nicer merge-module in the past (Thorsten)
 + VS 2015 upgrade problem - beggars belief...
=> cheapiest / easiest - is to bundle the DLLs with the build.
AI: + ship the DLLs with the installer (Cloph)
+ sad, but should be easy to do.
+ which systems are lacking this DLL ? (Michael S)
+ de-active updates, and not instal updates or ? ...
+ if not installed, not updated, but not there with a blank 
windows
+ might / usually comes pre-loaded with other software.
+ pristine Win 10 - had this issue.
+ thought the idea of the split here was to make it work 
automatically
+ 5.3.7 RC1 status
+ built and up-loaded to testing, ready for early-testing announce.
+ 5.3.7 RC2 - 1 week after conference.
+ 6.0 Alpha1
+ 1 week after the conference
+ 6 week gap from 6.0.0 to 6.0.1 ?
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan/6.0
+ ideal to have 3-4 week after release instead;
=> adjust to 3 weeks; Christian to do something sensible.
+ Android
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ UX team advising on New Help usability / layout (Yousuf)
   + https://goo.gl/qrPQyW
   + Several easyhacks published (Olivier)
   + Brazilians students contributing (Gabriel, Nigel)
+ Documentation team progressing in updating book (Dave, Olivier)
   + going well
+ Published wiki page for code snippets of help files (XHP)
+ Brazilian community getting interest in writing help page contents
 + e.g. pivot charts, XML streams, Presenter Console, Calc Forms

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
253(253) (topicUI) bugs open, 396(396) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months   
 added  6(3) 18(-1)31(1)  116(-5)  
 commented 37(13)   206(-6)   491(-22)   2534(-139)
   removed  0(-2) 5(1)  7(1)   30(-3)  
  resolved  3(-1)15(-2)70(3)  269(-1)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 100 changes in 1 month, and 1271 changes in 1 year
  Philips, Yousuf made 61 changes in 1 month, and 1151 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 55 changes in 1 month, and 472 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 44 changes in 1 month, and 462 changes in 1 year
  Faulí Tarazona, Xisco made 42 changes in 1 month, and 370 changes in 
1 year
  Buovjaga made 26 changes in 1 month, and 288 changes in 1 year
  Ionita, Teodor-Mircea made 14 changes in 1 month, and 18 changes in 1 
year
  Kara, Muhammet made 11 changes in 1 month, and 19 changes in 1 year
  *UNKNOWN* made 11 changes in 1 month, and 11 changes in 1 year
  *UNKNOWN* made 10 changes in 1 month, and 11 changes in 1 year
  ^^^ - scripting bug for Shinnok

+ Again not enough people in the weekly meeting to make decisions
+ Mascot voting continues:
+ 
https://design.blog.documentfoundation.org/2017/09/28/libreoffice-mascot/
+ 63 proposals for thumbs up/down.
+ 25k participants of that 10k voted on all
 

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

And apologies again for forgetting to send these out immediately:

* Present
+ Stephan, Jan-Marek, Xisco, Olivier, Sophie, Michael M, Christian, Heiko
  Caolan, Eike, Kendy, Teodor, Michael S, Bubli

* Completed Action Items:
+ restore commit bit + mail (Kendy, Michael)
+ font issues (Xisco)
 [ http://bugs.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=136092
 + picture comes from Thomas – but nothing reported (Xisco)
  + suspend this then.
 + telegram guy says “everything solved” (Heiko)
  + want to buy flowers for Caolan ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ fix scripts producing junk numbers for crash testing (7 and 7) (Shinnok)
[ pending – making the scripts work again. ]
+ fwd build details on Mac / CVE build / test failure to the list (Shinnok)
[ still working on this, hope to have it done today,
  add - enable/disable doxygen / gettext in the wiki ?
  do we recommend a check build for newcomers ?
  + yes – unit testing is important (Michael)
 + will send details on failing CVE test to the list (Shinnok)
 + compiling on Linux – no problems with default (Heiko)
+ on Mac he has to build with –no-build-check
+ also see this regularly (Stephan)
  + got a configuration from Caolan’s tinderbox
  + have pending Mac fix patches (Jmux)
 + pending monotonic ticks patch
  + can we add homebrew in parallel to MacPorts ? (Shinnok)
  + easy to link against homebrew by mistake (Cloph)
 + only autoconf/automake/make etc.
 + if we have macports already, not against homebrew
  + don’t we recommend LODE on Mac ? (Stephan)
 + surely why we created LODE in the 1st instance.
  => if we invest time – invest it in improving LODE on Mac ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.4.2 RC1 status
+ branch & creating RC1
+ https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/q/status:open+branch:libreoffice-5-4 
+ 5.3.7 - 1st week of October as initially scheduled
+ 6.0 Alpha1 – moved to after the conference
+ Android
+ not rendering anything except blankness & white-ness
+ some fixes went in nevertheless, but blocking a new release.
+ Tomaz may have a clue – bisected to a specific commit
+ should we build a bibisect repo ? (Michael)
+ compression and/or signature a problem (Kendy)
+ Online
+ create an RC2 later.

* Documentation (Olivier)
 + unexpected surgery early this week, recovering well
 + helponline now with tweaked custom search by Google
 + Language segmentation
 + No ads
 + all results in the LibreOffice domain
 + Doc team working on the 6.0 Guides. 
 + revisions and proofreading
 + monitoring Release notes 6.0 for additions.
 + Initial discussion on a rich text XHP editor (Jean Spiteri).
 + how far are we from using the HTML for off-line help (Kendy)
 + alpha is getting close.
 + we are quite close (Olivier)
+ need some skills in C++ to invoke off-line pages in the software
+ can help out with this (Kendy)
+ more worried about packaging, installation etc.
+ a tree of HTML pages that will be compressed & packaged
+ 40MB of disk-space
+ could be an MSI file, or an extension
+ don’t have the knowledge of how to build the files.
+ need to tweak vnd.com.star.sun to a browser understood 
protocol
AI:  + research the best way to build this (Olivier)

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
254(254) (topicUI) bugs open, 407(407) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  6(0) 18(-1)34(2)  130(-3) 
 commented 86(46)   222(42)   537(62)2927(-25)
   removed  1(1)  1(1)  5(1)   40(-3) 
  resolved  6(1) 21(-1)72(4)  289(4)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 107 changes in 1 month, and 1586 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 68 changes in 1 month, and 463 changes in 1 year
  Philips, Yousuf made 54 changes in 1 month, and 1350 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 46 changes in 1 month, and 570 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 36 changes in 1 month, and 300 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 36 changes in 1 month, and 379 changes in 1 year
  Adolfo Jayme Barrientos made 33 changes in 1 month, and 70 changes in 
1 y
  Faulí Tarazona, Xisco made 30 changes in 1 month, and 490 changes in 
1 y
  dieterp made 14 changes in 1 month, and 50 changes in 1 year
  

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

Seemingly I forgot to post these last Thursday: apologies !

* Present:
+ Thorsten, Miklos, Kendy, Caolan, Olivier, Shinnok, Xisco, Michael M,
  Stephan, Eike, Jan-Marek, Sophie, Heiko, Christian, Michael S

* Completed Action Items:
+ submitted an ESC / architecture discussion talk (Michael)
+ send a nice mail explaining cleanup commit issues (Michael)
+ simplify & update dev-central build details & link to wiki (Shinnok)
 [ found the repo, looked at the code – could simplify it and 
   have pointers to the wiki – doing it as lower prio. ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ fwd build details on Mac / CVE build / test failure to the list (Shinnok)
 [ need to re-compile to find the errors and/or transcribe the text.
   How many tinderboxes on Mac ?
 + three – should have configure line there (Thorsten)
 + both Jenkins and non-Jenkins builders look different (Michael) ]
+ font issues
 [ 
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Minutes-of-ESC-call-2017-08-17-tt4220768.html#a4221038
 + have a deeper look / hunt for solutions (Xisco)
+ See below
 + dialog / cropping → perhaps have a look ? (Caolan)
+ 
https://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=0c8b749e602b6743857a9bc4efb24b6183690311
+ landed in master: looks like it fixes -lots- of things:
+ gone into all version (Caolan)
+ 
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=107249
+ 
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108710
+ 
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108891
+ 
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=106111
+ Comparisons before and after:
+ 
https://bug-attachments.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=136090
+ 
https://bug-attachments.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=136091
+ 
https://bug-attachments.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=136061
+ better ceil() than round() to avoid cropping by all means (Jay)
 + we want it to work as the original code did (Caolan)
 + http://bugs.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=136092
 + still not perfect 136092 – attachment, a difference (Heiko)
   + smaller line-spacing vs. 5.1
   + best to get a new bug – with the file (Xisco)
   + pictures less useful ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ this week – nothing.
+ 5.3.7 - 1st week of October as initially scheduled
+ 5.4.2 RC1 – branch next Tuesday ...
+ Online
+ Android
 + fixed x86 platform / NSS building & will push patch
 + focus on getting the viewer into shape.
+ will split off the 5.4 project in pootle this weekend
 + and move to actual master strings.
+ do we have a conference gap in the schedule ? (Michael)
 + move it if there is a concern ?

* Documentation (Olivier)
 * Implemented L10n in UI for helponline.libreoffice.org
 + and browser detect language
 + built in https://helponline.libreoffice.org/6.0/
 + backporting to 5.4 and 5.3
 * Entering in revision phase for Getting started Guide 6.0,
 + Now waiting for 6.0 new features
+ Please fill the wiki page with the new features

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
255(255) (topicUI) bugs open, 408(408) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  6(1) 19(2) 32(-1) 133(-8) 
 commented 40(4)180(14)   475(-17)   2952(-72)
   removed  0(0)  0(-1) 4(-1)  43(-1) 
  resolved  5(0) 22(-3)68(-2) 285(-2) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 124 changes in 1 month, and 1588 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 59 changes in 1 month, and 460 changes in 1 year
  Philips, Yousuf made 45 changes in 1 month, and 1428 changes in 1 year
  Adolfo Jayme Barrientos made 38 changes in 1 month, and 66 changes in 
1 y
  Cor Nouws made 38 changes in 1 month, and 336 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 32 changes in 1 month, and 562 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 18 changes in 1 month, and 354 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 14 changes in 1 month, and 52 changes in 1 year
  Telesto made 13 changes in 1 month, and 75 changes in 1 year
  Faulí Tarazona, Xisco made 12 changes in 1 month, and 470 changes in 
1 y
+ Mascot update
   + more triage work requested
+ OS survey
   + 

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[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Jan-Marek, Stephan, Caolan, Heiko, Miklos, Shinnok, Thorsten,
  Xisco, Michael M, Eike, Armin, Christian, Kendy, Olivier

* Completed Action Items:
+ find out if we have projects & mentors for Capstone (Shinnok)
[ no-one replied – sent a follow-up E-mail, no replies
  could mentor himself – but perhaps a stretch now ]
+ Update the roadmap wiki with new 5.3.6/7 dates (Christian)
+ https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/ScreenshotsAtInstall
+ work out what a good idea is here (Kendy, Thorsten)
  + no actual actions → drop it.
+ create redirect / transparent proxy so that we can use
  help.libreoffice.org directly even for the new stuff (Christian)
 [ now done – can use help.libreoffice.org domain to get help 
 e.g 
https://help.libreoffice.org/latest/en-US/text/swriter/main.html ]
+ build a write-up of the differences cross-platform (Xisco)
  [ write-up is done
people are reading it (Heiko)
   + where to go next
   + concerns wrt. multiplier from Thorsten
   + couple of tickets related to Khaled patch
   + a Norbert spamming Telegram channel on this topic
   + affects UI & text – inconsistent spacing.
   + also export to PDF; different to display.
Looked for related bugs in Bugzilla (Xisco)
   + didn’t look in too much detail
+ 
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Minutes-of-ESC-call-2017-08-17-tt4220768.html#a4221038
AI:+ dialog / cropping → perhaps have a look / Caolan ?
   + web view – a bug here ...
   + calc/PDF – wrt. line-breaking: most concern
  + Khaled ? driven away by annoying reporter ?
  + calc issue appears to affect only him → ignore it? (Xisco)
 + declared strategy to annoy people to fix his bugs (Thorsten)
+ should we mute / give him a stern talk ?
  + a couple of others reporting issues (Heiko)
 + waiting.
   + multiplier suggestion / add it ? (Thorsten)
  + no code proposal to examine. ]

* Pending Action Items:

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.3.6 RC2 & 5.4.1 RC2
+ annoucned as final today & out of the door.
+ 5.3.7 - 1st week of October as initially scheduled
+ 5.4.2 RC1 – week after next Sept 12th
+ Online
+ up-loaded a 5.4.2 – and published.

* Documentation (Olivier) 
+ Updates in helponline
+ now receiving part of the traffic from help wiki
+ changes in HTML per cloph recommendation
+ search-engine tweakage for specific languages in progress
+ Updates in help pages to reflect consistency/completness
+ (bubli, G. Kelemen. A.Barrientos, ohallot)
+ Project to deliver Getting Started Guide 6.0 on-going
+ weekly meeting
+ team contributing with updates
+ aproaching revision time.

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
256(256) (topicUI) bugs open, 408(408) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months   
 added  5(-2)17(2) 33(2)  141(-205)
 commented 36(-8)   166(-4)   492(8) 3024(-287)
   removed  0(0)  1(-1) 5(0)   44(0)   
  resolved  5(-1)25(-6)70(1)  287(0)   
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 146 changes in 1 month, and 1619 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 45 changes in 1 month, and 602 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 44 changes in 1 month, and 442 changes in 1 year
  Philips, Yousuf made 41 changes in 1 month, and 1454 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 36 changes in 1 month, and 356 changes in 1 year
  Adolfo Jayme Barrientos made 35 changes in 1 month, and 64 changes in 
1 y
  Faulí Tarazona, Xisco made 15 changes in 1 month, and 469 changes in 
1 y
  Buovjaga made 12 changes in 1 month, and 353 changes in 1 year
  Telesto made 11 changes in 1 month, and 73 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 9 changes in 1 month, and 47 changes in 1 year

+ Mascot accepted 270 proposals (this morning); 1st voting phase next
+ who makes the decision ? (Michael)
+ prepared in bite-able pieces (Heiko)
   + should be easy & reasonably quick.
+ Survey with open source questions: 1500 participants and analyis to be 
done
+ Direct formatting in ToC: not recommended by UX team
+ someone requested this enhancement
+ talked; Miklos commented in the ticket.
+ design meeting: not recommend this change.
   + not open the Pandora’s Box
+ to some extent already the case (Miklos)
   + just for a restricted set of character attributes
+ Default spacing between columns (gutter): from 

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

hanged that so they are actually 
deleted
   + other parts of the code expect them not to be deleted.
   + 2 different undo classes crash in this case.
   + unfortunately, not had enough time to look at it.
   + alternative – just revert that commit.

  + Fixed:

  + CRASH: LibreOffice crashes while clicking on Show Signatures button 
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108852
+ thanks to Bubli.

* QA stats
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/page.cgi?id=weekly-bug-summary.html
  +124  +7 (-72) overall)
  many thanks to the top bug squashers:
   Xisco Faulí 9
   V Stuart Foote  7
   Samuel Mehrbrodt6
   Buovjaga5
   Timur   4
   Alex Thurgood   4
   Justin L3
   Mike Kaganski   3
   Adolfo Jayme2
   Thomas Lendo2
   Julien Nabet2
   Michael Meeks   2
   Dennis Francis  1
   Szymon Kłos 1
   Chris Sherlock  1

+ top 10 bugs reporters:
   krishna [:kr1shna]  18
   Xisco Faulí 11
   Telesto 7
   Thomas Lendo4
   Ben 3
   Timur   3
   Mike Kaganski   3
   Samuel Mehrbrodt3
   Marco A.G.Pinto 2
   Justin L2
   Tamás Zolnai2
   Kenneth Hanson  2
   Aron Budea  2
   bureautiquelibre1
   Jean-Francois Nifenecker 1

+ top 10 bugs fixers:
   krishna [:kr1shna]  18
   Xisco Faulí 11
   Telesto 7
   Thomas Lendo4
   Ben 3
   Timur   3
   Mike Kaganski   3
   Samuel Mehrbrodt3
   Marco A.G.Pinto 2
   Justin L2
   Tamás Zolnai2
   Kenneth Hanson  2
   Aron Budea  2
   bureautiquelibre1
   Jean-Francois Nifenecker 1


* Highest-Priority bugs (aka "MABs"):
   + http://bit.ly/2lJAAJI
 5.3 : 4/43 - 9 %  (-2)
 5.2 : 2/37 - 5 %  (+0)
 5.1 : 1/34 - 2 %  (+0)
 5.0 : 2/60 - 3 %  (+0)
 4.4 : 4/76 - 5 %  (+0)
 4.3 : 6/73 - 8 %  (+0)
 4.2 : 6/134 -4 %  (+0)
 4.1 : 4/82 - 4 %  (+0)
 4.0 : 5/82 - 6 %  (+2)
 old : 28/256 -   10 %  (+0)


* Bisected bugs open: keyword 'bisected'
   + more accurate - down to a single commit.
   + http://bit.ly/2dyIfDy
   + 385/1485 376/1471 368/1458 372/1448 383/1441 386/1435 385/1425 

 done by:
Faulí Tarazona, Xisco  13
Budea, Áron 1
Justin L1
 

* Bibisected bugs open: keyword 'bibisected'
   + http://bit.ly/2cSCXlS
   + 475/2071 466/2056 457/2042 463/2032 470/2018 473/2008 470/1994 

 done by:
Faulí Tarazona, Xisco  14
Budea, Áron 1
Justin L1


* all bugs tagged with 'regression'
   + 860(+12) bugs open of 6140(+21) total 13(-1) high prio.

 done by:
Faulí Tarazona, Xisco  14
Buovjaga3
Alex Thurgood   2
Philips, Yousuf 1
Justin L1
Telesto 1
zahra   1
robert  1


* ~Component   count net * high severity regressions
   + http://bit.ly/1HWHb3E
 LibreOffice   - 4(+1)
 Writer- 3(+0)
 Calc  - 2(-1)
 Impress   - 2(+0)
 graphics stack - 1(+0)
 Extensions- 1(+0)
 Base  - 0(-1)

   by OS:
 Mac OS X  - 4(-1)
 Windows   - 1(+0)
 All   - 8(+0)
 Linux - 0(+0)


* ~Component   count net * all regressions
   + http://bit.ly/1BUdI8i
 Writer: other- 141(+4)
 Calc - 138(+0)
 Impress  - 80(+0)
 Writer: docx filter  - 73(+1)
 LibreOffice  - 68(+2)
 UI   - 47(+0)
 Writer: doc filter   - 43(-1)
 graphics stack   - 40(+0)
 Draw - 35(+0)
 Writer: perf - 33(+0)
 Base - 32(+0)
 Writer: other filter - 31(+7)
 Borders  - 30(+0)
 Chart- 23(+0)
 filters and storage  - 22(+0)
 Crashes  - 18(-2)
 Printing and PDF export  - 17(+0)
 BASIC- 13(+0)
 Extensions   - 4(+0)
 Installation - 3(+0)
 framework- 2(-1)
 Linguistic   - 2(+0)
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[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Heiko, Eike, Miklos, Olivier, Michael M, Sophie, Armin,
  Cloph, Michael S, Varun, Bubli, Jan-Marek, Jean-Sebastian

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
+ build concrete, deliverable plan for live-screenshots (Olivier, Armin)
[ need more time to evaluate that with Armin (Olivier)
  discussed with Bubli what we can do (Armin)
 + would have been nice to do from the beginning,
 + 80-85% do-able without flickering ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.4.0 RC2
  + not been tagged yet – issues with translations
+ ran script, but obsolete strings re-appeared
+ build-queue in Jenkins was too long so 5.4 patches were not building
+ going to tag today.
  + three reviews later this week after RC2, on the release branch
  + feature pages: please update:
+ https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/5.4
+ 5.3.5 RC1 next week
+ 5.2.7 – has been removed from the download page
+ not offered unless you explicitly select it.
   + still available from download-archive.
+ update check moved to 5.3.4 instead
+ Android & iOS Remote
+ online
+ need to build a release here too.

* Documentation (Olivier)
   * Throughout refactor of Help online build script 
(http://helponline.libreoffice.org) with
+ Use 'helpex' utility from build
+ Added piwik code
+ Build & uploaded all released languages (~90) for 6.0
 + a shell script so far
 + ideally, it should be "make helponline", but IAND
   helponline:\nshell-script … (Michael)
+ Inclusion of schema.org markup "TechArticle" for SEO
 + http://schema.org/TechArticle
 + Not trivial to qualify right schema
 + adding meta-tags for classification of page content.
 + would like input / advice on whether schema.org adds value to SEO
+ Still waiting for community promised layout for pages
 + will have to do myself if no response
 + helponline really close to be released then
* Monitoring google/webmasters/console for helponline and documentation
+ will need to get access to documentation.lo.o shell
+ to get to template 
+ SEO parametrization far from trivial,
+ Can't get SE to give immediate response
+ SE not in our control
+ task pending to execute takes days
* Several fixes to help pages for release 5.4
* Published easy hacks for help pages
+ no response
* Donation patch
+ time spent refactoring for BCP47
+ erAck merged it for 6.0
   + I’m working on having it configurable for
 distros and large deployments

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
260(260) (topicUI) bugs open, 474(474) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month3 months   12 months  
 added  4(-1)17(1)  38(1)  409(-9) 
 commented 43(9)164(-17)   547(23)3348(-60)
   removed  0(-2) 3(0)   6(0)   43(0)  
  resolved  3(0) 15(-2) 41(-2) 244(0)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Thomas Lendo made 208 changes in 1 month, and 371 changes in 1 year
  Philips, Yousuf made 111 changes in 1 month, and 1537 changes in 1 
year
  Tietze, Heiko made 52 changes in 1 month, and 1517 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 29 changes in 1 month, and 579 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 23 changes in 1 month, and 360 changes in 1 year
  Timur made 20 changes in 1 month, and 63 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 20 changes in 1 month, and 356 changes in 1 year
  Faulí Tarazona, Xisco made 14 changes in 1 month, and 417 changes in 
1 year
  dieterp made 9 changes in 1 month, and 41 changes in 1 year
  Mehrbrodt, Samuel made 7 changes in 1 month, and 123 changes in 1 year

  + discussions about line spacing default, zero sized bullets in Impress
+ can size bullets to ~zero – crazy
+ suggest we crop to 25% for interop. (Michael)
  + first branding-6.0 commits
+ ongoing task, submitted the first real image(s)
+ needs tuning, but this is how it looks
+ did we get TDF branded versions → cloph ? (Michael)
   + in-progress; esthetic design issues being worked on (Heiko)
  + get in touch with KDAB dev for metrics ?
+ https://github.com/KDE/KUserFeedback
+ want to collect data on what people are using
+ want to collect surveys from running programs too
+ not a question of development – but web development (Markus)
+ doesn’t seem like a good line-up (Michael)
   + OTOH – had a tender for this in the past IIRC
   + would be good to have more engagement with that in future etc.

* Crash 

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[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Heiko, Kendy, Olivier, Thorsten, Michael M, Xisco, Stephan,
  Armin, Caolan, Christian, Eike, Miklos, Michael S

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
+ build concrete, deliverable plan for live-screenshots (Olivier, Armin)
  [ need more time to evaluate that with Armin (Olivier) ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.4.0 RC1
  + tagged this morning, builds currently underway.
+ might be a locally applied fix for windows.
+ apologies for the mess – Jenkins was not responding (Thorsten)
   + benefits – got some nice expat fixes in too (Cloph)
  + an independant review is needed after the first RC.
  + feature pages: please update:
+ https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/5.4
also created:
+ https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/6.0
+ 5.3.4 RC2 update
  + pushed to the mirrors, but not announced yet.
+ 5.2.x
  + removed from download pages next week, EOL.
+ Android & iOS Remote
  + a local build for testing; may push tomorrow.
+ online
  + RC1 this week.

* Documentation (Olivier)
   * New help pages... 
  + Undocumented functions on BASIC/VBA
  + fixes of terminology in several pages
+ numbering outlines → numbering chapter
   * Patches
  + patch for fixing screenshots code snippet
  + patch for Donation help menu entry (WIP)
+ questions raised on the script for languages
+ perhaps not show it in some locales.
  + patch to drop xml-lang of help DTD.
   * Improved helponline: https://helponline.libreoffice.org/master
+ Now supports versions: master, 5.3, 6.0 etc...
 + only master available for now.
+ Tabbed Contents/Index/Search (WIP)
+ Code cleaning
+ Monitoring traffic under piwik 
   + current wikihelp ~ 5years old
 + around 61k accesses per day
 + should we have a call to action there ?
+ Evaluating new page layout
 + instead of emulating currrent help window
 + http://beatorizu.deviantart.com/gallery/63358722/Mockups
   * Rome:
+ would like a git crash-course.
+ important to give some insights on git, and fixing panics
+ had a similar talk 4 years ago; volunteers … (Miklos)
 + ideally for a non-programmer, very basic audience (Olivier)
 + repeat Norbert’s help with git / sub-modules etc.

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
259(259) (topicUI) bugs open, 471(471) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  5(2) 16(1) 39(1)  431(-13)
 commented 61(34)   202(-6)   547(-9)3490(-6) 
   removed  1(1)  1(1)  4(1)   42(-1) 
  resolved  8(5) 18(5) 49(3)  242(4)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Thomas Lendo made 148 changes in 1 month, and 280 changes in 1 year
  Philips, Yousuf made 134 changes in 1 month, and 1498 changes in 1 
year
  Tietze, Heiko made 58 changes in 1 month, and 1750 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 29 changes in 1 month, and 386 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 24 changes in 1 month, and 369 changes in 1 year
  Timur made 23 changes in 1 month, and 58 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 22 changes in 1 month, and 611 changes in 1 year
  Faulí Tarazona, Xisco made 19 changes in 1 month, and 431 changes in 
1 y.
  Kevin made 13 changes in 1 month, and 13 changes in 1 year
  Henschel, Regina made 11 changes in 1 month, and 134 changes in 1 year

   + some confusion on bugzilla so best practice suggestion 
 for the UX team is to have a four-eye decision when reopening a ticket 
   + if a ticket is closed; need a 2nd opinion to re-open; same for closing
   + discussion in the design meeting / different opinions etc.

   + Branding survey done; 
https://design.blog.documentfoundation.org/2017/06/16/motif-next-release-prefer/
   + winner is a design #1 with colored cubes
   + cube – 6 sides, version 6.0
   + will accentuate cube-iness (Heiko)

   + Planning to open the design blog for guest contributions
   + eg. some ‘how to use personas’ better not just in bugzilla.

* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ 1 import failure, 2 export failures
   + same as before.
+ oss-fuzz: 31 fuzzers active
   + definitely working again; results coming in.
   + last one is Qpro.
+ coverity: -3, +3 bugs outstanding
   + a system-xmlsec patch gone in – will help more.
   + hiding things that are not our fault; ~10 ignored issues.

* openExpo update - Madrid June 1st
+ http://www.openexpo.es
+ no JanI ...

* Hackfests (Bjoern)
+ next venues / suggestions
+ Ladies who FOSS ? (Bubli)
+ Berlin 

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ David, Heiko, Olivier, Thorsten, Xisco, Michael M, Sophie, Stephan,
  Christian, Markus, Miklos, Michael S, Bubli, Caolan, Armin

* Completed Action Items:
+ check with Italo, and change the version to 6.0 in configure.ac 
(Christian)
+ Build translations for survey & run it (Sophie, Heiko)
   [ translation is done, Heiko seems happy (Sophie)
 asking for more translation on marketing-priv (Heiko)
   + waiting for the weekend to start it ]
+ remove TDE support (Michael S).

* Pending Action Items:
+ come up with a concrete, deliverable plan for live-screenshots (Olivier)
 + Set screenshooting as uno command
+ run script to build screenshots on all dialogs at install time
+ place screenshots in $INSTALL/help/screenshots/
 + Problems with flickering screens ? (Michael)
+ flashing screen issue not addressed by UNO (Bubli)
AI:  + help Olivier come up with a plan (Armin) 

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.4.0 Beta 2 update
  + no negative feedback wrt. Certificates
  + not heard of major problems with the release
  + feature pages: please update:
+ https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/5.4
also created:
+ https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/6.0
+ 5.3.4 RC2
  + has been tagged ~10mins before the call
+ key regression fix thanks to Troy Rollo
+ 5.4.0 RC1
  + next week: UI & English string freeze.
  + still done from libreoffice-5-4 branch
  + branch for RC2 in two weeks time.
  + an independant review is needed after the first RC.
+ Android & iOS Remote
  + no update
+ online
  + B2 out, RC1 next week.

 AppImage resolution - Linux portable edition
+ jphilipps arrived – but no volume.
+ dislike feature – but we should do it for the volunteers (Michael)
+ not opposing this (Cloph)
+ fine with having it on the portable / download page
+ just not enabling for his own tinderboxes.
+ various well-known down-sides
+ confusion etc.
+ any reason to have at the same level of non-promotion (Thorsten)
+ as snap / flatpack.
+ volunteers on it / some users know it – costs seem low.

=> help Anthonio up-load builds & put on portable page (Cloph)

+ needs some clarify what languages / help go in each image (Cloph)
+ don’t want to have hundreds of these.
+ suggest: similar to the windows one & omit help
  + as long as its real work > a few archives per-release re-visit 
(Thorsten)

* Documentation (Olivier)
  + Completely rewrote on-line help (WIP)
   + Support languages
   + Support Win, Mac, Linux diff’s
   + Fast, flat-HTML
   + bookmarks are searcheable
   + Google search
   + Size = 20MB per language
   + Now in https://helponline.libreoffice.org
   + HTML pre-generated, not done with CSS on old-style XML.
   + Next:
   + Connect with LibreOffice (replacing the wikihelp)
  + do we need to keep old-help around on-line ? (Michael)
  + changing the URLs – can do it.
   + add LibreOffice versions (master, 5.3, 5.2, etc...)
   + More pages in Help on Basic
   + Doc Meeting in June 7th
   + One attendant, Dave Barton – interested in help page work.
   + Improvements for HelpAuthoring extensions by Jean Spiteri
   + supports  and  of HC DTD

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
260(260) (topicUI) bugs open, 472(472) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  3(-1) 15(-4)38(0)  444(-11)
 commented 27(-17)   208(-9)   556(9) 3496(2)  
   removed  0(0)   0(0)  3(0)   43(1)  
  resolved  3(-1) 13(1) 46(2)  238(3)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Philips, Yousuf made 149 changes in 1 month, and 1467 changes in 1 
year
  Thomas Lendo made 97 changes in 1 month, and 214 changes in 1 year
  Tietze, Heiko made 64 changes in 1 month, and 1849 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 34 changes in 1 month, and 378 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 18 changes in 1 month, and 609 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 16 changes in 1 month, and 380 changes in 1 year
  Henschel, Regina made 16 changes in 1 month, and 141 changes in 1 year
  Kevin made 13 changes in 1 month, and 13 changes in 1 year
  Timur made 11 changes in 1 month, and 44 changes in 1 year
  Daniel Grigoras made 9 changes in 1 month, and 10 changes in 1 year
+ Question: when NotebookBar is not experimental ?
   + would be nice for 6.0 – hopefully done in the project
   + currently GSOC project 

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

Hi guys,

On 15/06/17 11:04, Heiko Tietze wrote:
> Would say the arguments are on the table. Cloph, what is the drawback
> of adding appimage to our repo ?

Can we shelve this, and discuss it in-person at the next ESC call; I've
added it to the agenda already =) I'm hoping to see Antonio there.

Thanks,

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

Hi Jay,

On 09/06/17 00:10, Jay Philips wrote:
>> + unclear what the future holds here: Snap, FlatPack, AppImage
>> (Michael)
> 
> If its Libreoffice future, i believe AppImage will be it, as it
> provides similar functionality as the portable version found on
> windows, like
> 
> 1) not having to install it on your system to run it (aka portable)

The "just run the console and do chmod +x " that
I see on their front-page is (I suspect) rather a bit of a usability
nightmare ;-) at least initially vs. say an app-store. Some 'technical'
people I know are impressed by command-line use ;-)

> 2) copying it on a usb and run it on any linux distro (atleast the
> minimum system that LO supports, something that snap and flatpak cant
> do)

Nice.

> 3) easily running multiple versions (would improve linux QA, as it
> would also lower that barrier for users to test old versions)

I guess.

>> + how is flat-pack hosted currently ? (Michael) + build & up-load,
>> and cloph pushes it (Stephan) + whenever there is a 5.3.x it is
>> build – following Fresh. + no daily build.
> 
> If the bash conversion script isnt run locally on the webserver, then
> Antonio is willing to create the appimages and upload them.

That seems reasonable. I guess it needs an active maintainer who fixes
problems with it - that is not Cloph =) is that you and/or Antonio ?

>> + the request is “become a linux distribution” (Michael) +
>> flat-pack doesn’t include the GNOME run-time (Stephan) + AppImage
>> sounds like it will include ~everything: Gstreamer + all codecs
>> etc. - from some random PC (Michael)
> 
> No the appimage will only include the same files LO bundles in the
> released .deb and .rpm files found in the .tar.gz. It assumes the
> users system has the necessary other dependencies on their system.

This removes my major objection at least; if so - good =)

>> + AppImage works hard to solve a problem we already solved: of
>> being an ISV on Linux – it is hard but solveable.
> 
> Appimage tries to solve a major problem on linux, easily running an
> app on any linux distro, especially new apps on a stable distro.

I guess its useful to some people =) is there a central app-store /
location to find appimages ?

> I will try to attend next week but doubt it will work as VOIP
> services like hangouts and skype dont function correctly where i live

Is Antonio in a better location for international calls ?

> So to move this forward and test the waters, it would be great to
> setup a page on the website for appimage[13] for the 5.4 beta 2 and
> link the download links to either an uploaded appimagage on tdf
> infra[14] or to the one on Antonio's website.

Sounds reasonable to me to test this out as experimental for the 5.4.x
release and if it works well for 6.0.

Any further thoughts Cloph ?

Thanks Jay & Antonio !

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[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

 top bug squashers:
   QA Administrators   106
   Xisco Faulí 15
   Buovjaga13
   Thomas Lendo8
   Yousuf Philips (jay)7
   Miklos Vajna4
   Caolán McNamara 4
   Pranav Kant 3
   Julien Nabet3
   Papamatti   3
   Aron Budea  3
   Ramon Plana 2
   eisa01  2
   Terrence Enger  2
   Gülşah Köse 2

+ top 10 bugs reporters:
   Yousuf Philips (jay)11
   Telesto 11
   Kevin   8
   Thomas Lendo6
   Aron Budea  5
   Bernd Brinker   2
   JR  2
   Olivier Hallot  2
   Volga   2
   David Fritzsch_LibreOffice 2
   Rodrigo Zimmermann  2
   marcus.knappert 2
   Michael Meeks   2
   christian.rufener   1
   Kevin Suo   1

+ top 10 bugs fixers:
   Yousuf Philips (jay)11
   Telesto 11
   Kevin   8
   Thomas Lendo6
   Aron Budea  5
   Bernd Brinker   2
   JR  2
   Olivier Hallot  2
   Volga   2
   David Fritzsch_LibreOffice 2
   Rodrigo Zimmermann  2
   marcus.knappert 2
   Michael Meeks   2
   christian.rufener   1
   Kevin Suo   1


* Highest-Priority bugs (aka "MABs"):
   + http://bit.ly/2lJAAJI
 5.3 : 4/42 - 9 %  (-5)
 5.2 : 3/36 - 8 %  (-3)
 5.1 : 1/34 - 2 %  (+0)
 5.0 : 2/60 - 3 %  (+0)
 4.4 : 4/76 - 5 %  (-1)
 4.3 : 5/72 - 6 %  (+0)
 4.2 : 6/134 -4 %  (+0)
 4.1 : 5/82 - 6 %  (+0)
 4.0 : 4/81 - 4 %  (+0)
 old : 28/256 -   10 %  (+0)


* Bisected bugs open: keyword 'bisected'
   + more accurate - down to a single commit.
   + http://bit.ly/2dyIfDy
   + 386/1435 385/1425 384/1410 377/1395 371/1380 374/1374 373/1366 

 done by:
Faulí Tarazona, Xisco   5
Raal3
Budea, Áron 2
 

* Bibisected bugs open: keyword 'bibisected'
   + http://bit.ly/2cSCXlS
   + 473/2008 470/1994 472/1980 466/1964 453/1941 455/1933 453/1921 

 done by:
Faulí Tarazona, Xisco   8
Raal3
Budea, Áron 3


* all bugs tagged with 'regression'
   + 831(+4) bugs open of 6030(+21) total 15(+0) high prio.

 done by:
Faulí Tarazona, Xisco  11
Buovjaga5
Philips, Yousuf 2
Nabet, Julien   1
Telesto 1
Budea, Áron 1


* ~Component   count net * high severity regressions
   + http://bit.ly/1HWHb3E
 Writer- 4(+0)
 LibreOffice   - 3(+0)
 Calc  - 2(+1)
 Base  - 2(+0)
 Impress   - 2(-1)
 graphics stack - 1(+0)
 Extensions- 1(+0)

   by OS:
 Mac OS X  - 5(+0)
 Windows   - 1(-2)
 Linux - 1(-1)
 All   - 8(+3)


* ~Component   count net * all regressions
   + http://bit.ly/1BUdI8i
 Writer: other- 139(+3)
 Calc - 134(+7)
 Impress  - 78(-2)
 Writer: docx filter  - 70(-2)
 LibreOffice  - 64(+0)
 UI   - 49(+0)
 Writer: doc filter   - 41(-1)
 graphics stack   - 40(+1)
 Draw - 32(+0)
 Base - 32(+0)
 Borders  - 31(+0)
 filters and storage  - 24(+1)
 Writer: other filter - 24(+0)
 Writer: perf - 23(+0)
 Crashes  - 23(+1)
 Chart- 22(+0)
 Printing and PDF export  - 18(+1)
 BASIC- 13(+0)
 Extensions   - 5(+0)
 framework- 3(+0)
 Installation - 2(+0)
 Linguistic   - 1(+0)
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[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Caolan, Heiko, Kendy, Miklos, Olivier, Michael M, Stephan, Sebastian,
  Sophie, Christian, Eike, Michael S, Xisco 

* Completed Action Items:
+ get 5.4 deprecated section proposals here (Eike, thanks to buovjaga)
+ state in the release notes that 5.4 will be the very last release
  supporting Windows XP and Vista (Eike, thanks to Stuart)
  + cf. https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108043
+ Windows builds use internal ICU 58 again
+ cherry-pick commit bringing Mac base-line up to 10.9 (Miklos)
+ quantify potential size saving from live help screenshot (Olivier)
[ ~35M per language (Olivier)
+ in current downloads ? < 3.5Gb.
+ help content is 7Mb or so, if add all screenshots will be 35M
  will save 29Mb each
+ idea in the past – run screenshots on installing help package.
   + takes time to make screenshots & things flicker ]
AI: + come up with a concrete, deliverable plan for discussion (Olivier)

* Pending Action Items:
+ Developer Certification – next round (Stephan/Bjoern/Kendy/Thorsten)
[ still pending ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.4.0 Beta 2 – June 6th
  + hard break / tag on Tuesday; not shifting it back.
  + no additional reviews necessary on the branch,
you can push yourself until June 20th
  + late features
+ Windows support for gpg sign/encrypt (?) (Thorsten)
+ 5.3.4 RC1 – May 30th
  + due this week, not tagged yet
+ but all patches waiting with out -1 were integrated
+ minor UI freeze break in options page – approved by Sophie/Olivier
+ Android & iOS Remote
  + no release, but poked at it in the hack-fest; new release pending.
+ online – Beta2 coming up.
+ git / problems with replication to freedesktop
  + appeared to fix itself.
  + perf. issues fixed by a ‘git gc’ on repos.
+ marketing decided to use 6.0 for next release (Heiko)
  + versions / bug notifications etc. talk of 5.5
AI: + check with Italo, and change the version info in configure.ac (Christian)

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ online help rewritten – to static html (Olivier)
   + flattening all the XML.
   + discussing it with Kendy.
   + enthusiasm for the new solution here.
   + preserves all the help / translation editing tools etc.
   + a couple of scripts to flatten the XML – browser portable.
+ New help pages fixed and added (G. Kelemen)
+ Fix of Helpauthoring to support  tags (Jean Spiteri / Liongold)
   + superscript / subscript.
+ New doc for download (quick reference card) (Valdir Barbosa)
+ Docs team calls ? (Michael)
   + new guy from Italy, learning help authoring tools.
   + next week – will have another meeting.

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
257(257) (topicUI) bugs open, 472(472) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  6(3) 17(1) 36(3)  457(-9) 
 commented 52(5)212(2)577(37)3500(-19)
   removed  0(0)  0(-1) 5(-1)  42(0)  
  resolved  3(0) 10(2) 47(-1) 232(2)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Philips, Yousuf made 192 changes in 1 month, and 1445 changes in 1 
year
  Tietze, Heiko made 60 changes in 1 month, and 1975 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 47 changes in 1 month, and 161 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 45 changes in 1 month, and 391 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 19 changes in 1 month, and 391 changes in 1 year
  Henschel, Regina made 16 changes in 1 month, and 141 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 15 changes in 1 month, and 621 changes in 1 year
  Timur made 14 changes in 1 month, and 45 changes in 1 year
  Telesto made 12 changes in 1 month, and 58 changes in 1 year
  Iversen, Jan made 11 changes in 1 month, and 318 changes in 1 year
  + working on refinement for GsoC
 + final adjustments to layout
 + projects are running (well)
 + students coming to the design meeting.

* Crash Reporting (Caolan)
+ 4(+3) import failure, 1(+0) export failures
   + new assert from Miklos; rest seem to be transient
+ 33 coverity issues, down
   + have a patch to reduce them
+ 28 fuzzers
   + silent for a week, so adding ww8 filters now.
   + schedule decision; 90 day count-down from discovery
   + when fixed – 30 day count-down.
   + schedule gap from 5.2 being unavailble and 5.4 appearing
   + push this month, bits to master.
   + will remove 5.2 from download page temporarily (Christian)
   => closes the gap.
   + 30 days from today ok ?
   + yes => pushing things today.

* Perugia Hackfest retrospective (Cloph, Eike, 

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Caolan, Christian, Heiko, Kendy, JanI, Olivier, Xisco, Michael M,
  Sophie, Stephan, Miklos, Bjoern, Bubli, Eike, Norbert
 
* Completed Action Items:
+ dig out online E-mail from Andras & put on-line (Cloph)
   [ re-built the package to mend it (Timar) ]
+ mass conversion of helpcontent (Cloph)
   [ Translations are done; one thing left the xmllang default attribute 
change ]

* Pending Action Items:

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.4.0 Beta 1 May 16th
  + tagged and up-loaded the beta build to early testing.
  + late features
+ Windows support for gpg sign/encrypt (Thorsten)
   + merged & reverted – with some issues in Jenkins.
+ 5.4.0 Beta 2 – June 6th
  + no additional reviews necessary on the branch, can push yourself until 
June 20th
+ 5.3.4 RC1 – after next week – May 30th
  + looking forward to seeing the crash / gdi fixes (Michael)
+ Android & iOS Remote
+ online
  + Andras is preparing the branch 
+ problems with replication to freedesktop
  + guillhelm looking at gerrit – leaking file-descriptors ? 

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ lots of encouraging contributions this week.
+ Patches, patches patches in helpcontent (tdf#84675)
+ fixes from translators (HC)
+ Nice HC contributions by Gabor Kelemen, Laurent Balland-Poirier, Cloph

* UX Update (Heiko)
   + Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
256(256) (topicUI) bugs open, 465(465) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  5(1) 15(3) 37(4)  465(-2) 
 commented 60(20)   209(44)   546(11)3517(-7) 
   removed  0(0)  3(0)  7(0)   41(-1) 
  resolved  2(0) 11(-1)49(-29)230(0)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Philips, Yousuf made 198 changes in 1 month, and 1371 changes in 1 
year
  Tietze, Heiko made 52 changes in 1 month, and 2013 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 48 changes in 1 month, and 383 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 36 changes in 1 month, and 653 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 25 changes in 1 month, and 110 changes in 1 year
  Iversen, Jan made 18 changes in 1 month, and 335 changes in 1 year
  Telesto made 14 changes in 1 month, and 58 changes in 1 year
  Faulí Tarazona, Xisco made 13 changes in 1 month, and 412 changes in 
1 year
  Henschel, Regina made 13 changes in 1 month, and 129 changes in 1 year
  LibreTraining made 12 changes in 1 month, and 51 changes in 1 year

+ vacation is impossible
+ returning had – 1000 mails/w ;-)
+ heated discussion about image compression, when, how, what tdf#34133
   + made a proposal on the workflow; pro. user feedback
   + if people want to know how these are compressed – poke the ticket.
   + auto-compressing images etc.
+ planning survey on default page margins – 2cm currently
   + what default do people want ?
+ desire to have a commmon goal / strategy / headline for (major) releases
  in the design team, e.g. bugfixing, notebookbar, dialogs...
   + “we all work on XYZ topic”
  + doomed as an approach, unless it’s just marketing (Michael)
 + like post-rationalization eg. MUFFIN.
 + agreed (Bjoern)
 + without power to commit resources, not wise to promise

* Crash Reporting (Caolan)
+ 2(+0) import failure, 0(+0) export failures
   + need to spend some time on crash testing to find these 2.
+ 49 coverity issues (down)
+ Google / ossfuzz: unchanged no fuzzers active now, ww6 added, ww8 
smoketesting
   + fixed a local crasher in ww8 – to add to queue in next few days.
   + PPT has just one version, looking good. Excel pending.
   + docx, and ODF formats pending.
   + coming to the end here (hopefully)
+ results depend on the input ? (Xisco)
   + they find their own input (Caolan)
  + using minimal set of documents – that exercises most of LibreOffice
  + using the corpus minimiser from AFL – to get smallest set that 
maximises
that space.
  + http://dev-www.libreoffice.org/corpus/

* Hackfests (Bjoern)
+ next venues / suggestions
+ Ladies who FOSS ? (Bubli)
+ Italian hack-fest coming up: 4 days May 27-30th
 + Expectation match on Presentations etc.
 + no idea wrt. Presentations (Eike)
AI:  + ask Osvaldo for an agenda (Eike)
 + Perugia University
 + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/Perugia2017
+ Eike, Miklos, Cloph signed up.
+ Bjoern can’t come sadly.
+ Berlin meeting (Bubli)
+ Hamburg meeting exploded so to Berlin.
+ German community event
+ Weekend of June 23 → 25 – Friday → Sun.
+ Open Tech 

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Kendy, Michael, Stephan, Eike, Olivier, Xisco, Caolan, Michael Stahl, 
Christian,
  Sophie, Miklos, Bubli
 
* Completed Action Items:
+ create blank 5.5 wiki / release notes page (Cloph)
   [ copied the 5.3 dates, but not checked conference template etc.
 not added to the overall releae page yet ]
+ investigate signing issues during make / check around files (Cloph)
   [ when session is closed builds succeed, not watching remotely helps it 
seems,
 was mainly 5.2 release affected; not looking into it – 5.2 EOL.
 5.4 build now working without any failures with a patch.
 Moved screenshot dependency – to depend on signing not vv. ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ mass conversion of helpcontent (Cloph)
   [ Polished patches in gerrit, prepared for inclusion.
 Removed old / obsolete tags – will be ready for the 5.4 Beta.
 Will package images into the libo base package, so far not
 many localized images; now in a separate directory not Galaxy img. 
Theme
+ created the patches a long time ago (Bubli)
   + patch to scp2 project created locally (Cloph) ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.3.3 RC2
  + released as final earlier today.
+ 5.4.0 Beta 1 May 16th
  + branching next week.
+ 5.3.4 RC1 – week after.
+ Android & iOS Remote
  + some patches integrated; thanks for reviews.
  + no new build from those yet.
+ online – 5.3.3 source release.
  + sent source archives over, not published yet.
AI:   + dig out E-mail from Andras & put on-line (Cloph)

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ Help contents updates by Gabor Kelemen on Template manager
+ Massive cleanup of obsolete XML attributes by cloph
+ Documentation meeting on May 10th.
+ few attendees; more hoped for next time.
+ “Documented vs “Undocumented” BASIC commands/constants and functions
   tdf#84675:  https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=84675
   “Add missing BASIC function and constant documentation”
+ do we want to make these visible ?
+ No issue with that (Michael)
  + can we split the VBA compatibility ones out → own section.
+ Bug extracted commands / functions from the source (Olivier)
  + can you read the impl. to get the parameters (Michael)
+ Good to have things documented so harder to break (Miklos)

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
256(256) (topicUI) bugs open, 462(462) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  4(1) 12(3) 33(2)  467(-9) 
 commented 40(-4)   165(17)   535(-28)   3524(-15)
   removed  0(-1) 3(0)  7(0)   42(1)  
  resolved  2(1) 12(-3)78(-3) 230(1)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Philips, Yousuf made 168 changes in 1 month, and 1343 changes in 1 
year
  Tietze, Heiko made 52 changes in 1 month, and 2091 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 27 changes in 1 month, and 367 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 27 changes in 1 month, and 652 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 24 changes in 1 month, and 107 changes in 1 year
  Faulí Tarazona, Xisco made 13 changes in 1 month, and 412 changes in 
1 year
  Henschel, Regina made 13 changes in 1 month, and 136 changes in 1 year
  Pinto, Marco A.G. made 12 changes in 1 month, and 12 changes in 1 year
  LibreTraining made 11 changes in 1 month, and 50 changes in 1 year
  Telesto made 10 changes in 1 month, and 54 changes in 1 year
+ Heiko on vacation; UX call at a bad time for Kendy, cancelled.

* Crash Reporting (Caolan)
+ 2(-10) import failure, 0(+0) export failures
   + new assert that fired finding dates problems.
   + need to spend some time on crash testing to find these 2.
+ 101 coverity issues
   + down a bit.
+ Google / ossfuzz: 28 fuzzers active now, ww6 added, ww8 smoketesting
   + nothing new coming from previous file-formats, trailed off.
   + not enabled other options: ASAN, UBsan & AFL – added as an option.
   + did we track the mystery joker filing bogus CVEs ? (Michael)
   + no-one seems to know (Caolan)
   + E-mail the mitre list ? ...

* Malaga update (Xisco)
+ will be in Malaga for Open conference in May 6th at 17:00
 + http://www.opensouthcode.org/conference/opensouthcode2017
+ Slides: https://speakerdeck.com/x1sc0/libreoffice-open-south-code
 + 10 attendees
 + encouraging people to get involved.

* Hackfests (Bjoern)
+ next venues / suggestions
+ Ladies who FOSS ? (Bubli)
+ Italian hack-fest coming up: 4 days May 27-30th
 + Expectation match ? Presentation preparation etc. ? ...
 + Perugia University
 + 

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Heiko, Miklos, Olivier, Thorsten, Michael M, Christian, Kendy, Stephan, 
Xisco,
  Eike, Bubli, Michael S, Bjoern

* Completed Action Items:
+ poke Jay to get him setup on ‘Online’ – TDF LDAP etc. (Kendy)
   [ Heiko pinged, to setup LDAP account etc.
 ideally get an account with no restrictions wrt. Commenting etc. ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ create blank 5.5 wiki / release notes page (Cloph)
+ mass conversion of helpcontent (Cloph)
   [ will update the templates and do the auto-translation this weekend.
 Scripts are tested & worked locally ]
+ investigate signing issues during make / check around files (Cloph)
   [ when session is closed builds succeed, not watching remotely helps it 
seems ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.2.7 RC2
  + on the mirrors as a final version, but no official announce yet.
  + the last of the 5.2.x line planned.
+ 5.3.3 RC2 tagging next week.
  + tagged yesterday, ready on the dev servers.
  + thanks to all reviewers who helped out.
+ 5.4.0 Beta 1 May 16th
  + how did Alpha1 go ? (Michael)
  + not ready in time for the bug-hunting session.
  + had daily builds available; no translation etc.
  + accidentally deleted the windows builds.
  + bug in pocheck needed a fix.
  + needed a mergelibs build-fix.
  + branching in <2 weeks.
+ Android & iOS Remote
  + no news.
+ online – 5.3.3 RC2
  + tagging overdue – will fix (Michael)

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ trying to reduce open bug count in BZ.
+ Patches on help contents from BZ
   + updating lots of help pages – 4 patches so far, more coming.
   + tdf#100410 Update help page for WEEKDAY() 
   +tdf#103457 link UNICODE() to UNICHAR() in Help
tdf#103431 HELP Bessel functions need examples
 tdf#92837 Security and document link updates
+ help changes bring translation fun …
+ Meeting will resume - May 10th
+ resume documentation / help-content work / guides etc.

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
251(251) (topicUI) bugs open, 460(460) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  3(-1)  9(0) 31(3)  476(-8) 
 commented 44(-10)   148(19)   563(36)3539(11) 
   removed  1(-1)  3(1)  7(1)   41(2)  
  resolved  1(-5) 15(-8)81(-2) 229(0)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Philips, Yousuf made 126 changes in 1 month, and 1265 changes in 1 
year
  Tietze, Heiko made 46 changes in 1 month, and 2237 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 34 changes in 1 month, and 675 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 23 changes in 1 month, and 105 changes in 1 year
  Henschel, Regina made 18 changes in 1 month, and 132 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 17 changes in 1 month, and 366 changes in 1 year
  LibreTraining made 12 changes in 1 month, and 48 changes in 1 year
  Pinto, Marco A.G. made 12 changes in 1 month, and 12 changes in 1 year
  Adolfo Jayme Barrientos made 10 changes in 1 month, and 63 changes in 
1 year
  Faulí Tarazona, Xisco made 8 changes in 1 month, and 407 changes in 1 
year

   + Table Styles survey run in the last week
   + Working on new designs now 
   + trouble to implement as the data are stored in a binary form today
   + nothing so surprising; need to remove them as stored now.
   + eg. do we keep 3D / shades of grey etc. ?
   + Please can people check needsDevEval ?
   + have a number where we need input to continue.
   + 
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?keywords=needsDevEval=---

* Crash Reporting (Michael S)
+ missing Caolan …
+ ossfuzz results:
   + CVE-2017-7870 https://nvd.nist.gov/vuln/detail/CVE-2017-7870
  + one of the four filed from ossfuzz – 2x broken.
   + another filed for an issue that existed only on master for 2 days.
  + not in google’s reserved range (Bjoern)
  + very unhelpful, discourages use of Google stuff (Thorsten)
  + mitre – non-responsive / helpful in the past (Michael)
+ 1 import failure, 0 export failures
   + 1 import problem, export bits fixed.

* Munich OpenData/OpenGovernment BarCamp update (Thorsten)
+ no mention of open-source (fixed)
   + “Public Money → Public Code” talk from Thorsten.
+ lots of excitement about open data etc.
+ open-data a nice trend etc.
+ https://www.meetup.com/code-for-muenchen/events/237339232/ 

* Hackfests (Bjoern)
+ next venues / suggestions
+ Ladies who FOSS ? (Bubli)
+ event in Spain (Xisco)
+ will be in Malaga for Open conference in May 6th at 17:00
+ 

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Stephan, Eike, Xisco, Olivier, Sophie, Heiko, Thorsten, Christian, 
Michael M,
  Kendy, Andras, Caolan, David, Michael S, Miklos, Bjoern

* Completed Action Items:
+ docs: build proposal for keywords vs. components (Xisco, Heiko, Olivier)
   [ discussed in the last QA meeting – and Olivier prefers the component 
(Xisco)
 prefers to use a sub-component, Heiko can live with that ].
+ QA minutes → 
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Libreoffice-qa-QA-Meeting-Minutes-2017-04-25-tc4213251.html
+ look at old Duden extension to see if they use UWINAPI.DLL (Thorsten)
   [ removal of API got done in the meantime – we’ll cope later if problems.
 Would be interesting to know if it works beforehand (Stephan) ]
+ release note drop of OSX 10.8 support re: thread-safe statics (Michael S)
   [ added to the 5.4 release notes; and no 5.5 release notes yet ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ poke Jay to get him setup on ‘Online’ – TDF LDAP etc. (Kendy)
+ mass conversion of helpcontent (Cloph)
   [ waiting for another set of updates around templates for help.
 didn’t want to update before pulling translations for 5.1
 UI templates are dealt with and up-to-date / done.
 Just help remaining ].
+ investigate signing issues during make / check around files (Cloph)
   [ no insight 5.2.7 RC2 had the same issues ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.2.7 RC2
  + tagged, need to up-load windows builds; rest already on the dev 
download server.
  + manual running of make checks works with reduced parallelism just fine.
  + the last of the 5.2.x line planned.
+ 5.4.0 Alpha 1 April 25th – status
  + due later today if tinderboxen are green.
+ 5.3.3 RC2 tagging next week.
+ Android & iOS Remote
  + no news.
+ online – 5.3.3 RC2
  + tagging due next week.

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ Patches on help contents from translators
  + fixing some strings found by the translators
+ New help pages to come from community (convert odt->xhp)
+ Some activity with local communities on doc. translation

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
251(251) (topicUI) bugs open, 462(462) (needsUXEval) for evaluation by 
the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  4(1) 10(1) 31(0)  486(0)  
 commented 69(35)   155(36)   572(36)3580(47) 
   removed  3(3)  3(3)  7(4)   41(3)  
  resolved  6(2) 23(0) 84(1)  229(3)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Philips, Yousuf made 127 changes in 1 month, and 1291 changes in 1 
year
  Tietze, Heiko made 62 changes in 1 month, and 2282 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 43 changes in 1 month, and 679 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 25 changes in 1 month, and 94 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 22 changes in 1 month, and 368 changes in 1 year
  LibreTraining made 18 changes in 1 month, and 48 changes in 1 year
  Faulí Tarazona, Xisco made 13 changes in 1 month, and 402 changes in 
1 year
  Pinto, Marco A.G. made 12 changes in 1 month, and 12 changes in 1 year
  Adolfo Jayme Barrientos made 10 changes in 1 month, and 64 changes in 
1 year
  Henschel, Regina made 9 changes in 1 month, and 128 changes in 1 year

   + Working on Notebookbar variants
   + improving impl. and docs around it
   + discussed auto compression of images on insert today
   + discussed workflow for this.
   + hot topic on bugzilla: comment style tdf#103064
   + hot topic today: how comments are formatted,
   + people would like a dedicated paragraph style
   + plan to run survey about table styles soon.
   + new Telegram group “LibreOffice Design EN”: 
https://t.me/joinchat/AAx1jkAG95bMPMKh8Q

* Crash Reporting (Caolan)
+ 0 import failure, 4 export failures
   + 3 weeks at 0/0 – now have 4 export failures.
   + hope it’s new asserts picking things up.
+ 153 coverity issues – stable/un-changed.
+ Google / ossfuzz: 27 fuzzers active now
   + auto-filing and mgmt of CVEs (!?)
   + currently don’t know where these come from
  + not RedHat, not Google, someone saw & decided to file.
  + two were temporary issues: during testing process
 + made no sense to file CVEs.
  + two already fixed in all of the releases.
   + chasing the filer …
  + doesn’t make sense for transient errors in un-released git.
   + servers have more disk space & are building again.
  + trickle of stuff coming through.

* Hackfests (Bjoern)
+ next venues / suggestions
+ Munich OpenData/OpenGovernment BarCamp next weekend (Thorsten)
  + https://www.meetup.com/code-for-muenchen/events/237339232/ 
+ Ladies who FOSS ? (Bubli)
+ event 

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Bjoern, JanI, Thorsten, Michael M, Sophie, Xisco, Kendy, Oivier,
  Heiko, Miklos, Stephan, Christian, Michael S, Eike

* Completed Action Items:
+ Send sorted & rated GSoC document to the mentors (Thorsten)
+ file twitter commit notification bot easy-hack (Cloph)

* Pending Action Items:
+ mass conversion of helpcontent (Cloph)
   [ still dealing with the UI bits ]
+ look at old Duden extension to see if they use UWINAPI.DLL (Thorsten)
+ release note drop of OSX 10.8 support re: thread-safe statics (Michael S)

* ESC budget tendering (Florian)
+ https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Budget2017
+ would like to gather a few ESC members for feedback, approval
  (and possibly review of bids)
+ tenders approved in the budget by the board  
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Budget2017#Accessibility_improvements
 
* 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Budget2017#Image_handling_re-work
 
* 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Budget2017#Deprecate_SVG_filter_in_favour_of_SVGIO
 
* 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Budget2017#HSQLDB_binary_format_import
 
 + would like a number of experts to help spec. that out (Thorsten)
 + propose: approve specs for tender as-in the wiki &
   Florian to collect people to help out.
+ no objections.

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.2.7 RC1 status
+ test failures, didn’t get a build that make-check worked for 1st time.
+ running checks manually – they pass.
+ issues with build parallelism here.
+ sometimes complex test or XStyleLoader2 test – only on Windows.
+ tried 4-5 times, not working – for complete check
+ is it upgrading the compiler ? (Thorsten)
+ random toolchain timing symptom (Michael)
+ random windows updates too – what changed ? (Cloph)
+ only on 5.2? (Miklos)
+ 5.3 rare to run into issues – sometimes XStyleloader2 (Cloph)
AI: + investigate signing issues around files (Cloph)
+ 5.3.3 RC1 status
+ tag yesterday – builds are currently underway
+ available tomorrow.
+ 5.4. builds / master
+ Alpha 1 – April 25th(?) - hard feature-freeze May 15th(?)
  alpha still from master , libreoffice-5-4 tag along with 
feature-freeze
+ translation problems
+ cleanup & re-shuffling in the src files
+ that changed lots of message contexts.
+ around 20k words to translate → thye’re not happy.
+ now down to 1500 – 2000 words; still some left.
+ improving quickly.
+ Android & iOS Remote
+ some patches need review, and some integrated.
+ no new builds yet.
+ online
+ propose skip 5.3.3 rc1 and do an rc2.

* Documentation (Olivier)
 + Zarro unconfirmed documentation bugs
 + thanks to Xisco mailing him the doc. bugs quickly.
 + New page on HC for Template manager (C. Vance and ohallot)
 + Need to review many other outdated/invalid pages on the subject
 + Guides: Change of templates for chapters triggers heavy work on update
  + style names changed – investigating if this is necessary
 + Fixes in help contents after translators
 + Tests LOOL to evaluate use for collaborative content insertion
   for Guides, encouraging results with track changes,
   but some issues open, e.g. protection.
+ may be better suited for doc. Authors rathern than caring about 
formats
+ have to download / edit / up-load cycle currently – which is a pain.
 + use the current site – with latest master/online builds.
+ testing some issues; been reported & fixed by Pranav
+ poking at two users – to see how they interfere – v. optimistic.

* should we have keywords not components in bugzilla (Heiko)
 + would need to move things from writer → documentation etc.
 + what’s wrong with a component ? (Xisco)
+ don’t see the problem.
 + some bugs have multiple facets: l10n, UI, documentation (Heiko)
AI: + come up with a proposal (Xisco, Heiko, Olivier)

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
248(248) (topicUI) bugs open, 470(470) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month3 months   12 months
 added  3(3)  9(0)  31(-3) 490(0)
 commented 21(4)107(-36)   532(-73)   3532(-35)
   removed  0(0)  0(0)   4(-4)  38(0)
  resolved  3(-1)22(3)  82(-12)225(1)
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 75 changes in 1 month, and 2262 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 37 changes in 1 month, and 670 changes in 1 year
  Philips, Yousuf made 28 changes in 1 month, and 1226 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo 

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Caolan, Heiko, Kendy, JanI, Miklos, Xisco, Michael M, Olivier,
  Stephan, Sophie, Christian, Norbert, Michael S, Bubli, Thorsten, Jan-Marek

* Completed Action Items:
+ GSoC mentor pokes for Bjoern & Michael (Thorsten)
+ dig further into Perugia travel & accommodation; really that hard ? 
(Bjoern)
[ Miklos found trains to go there, direct from one of the
  airports: Fumichino ]

* Pending Action Items:
 + look at old Duden extension to see if they use UWINAPI.DLL (Thorsten)
[ voluntered by Stephan – due end of month.
  Should we have a museum for such things on TDF infra ? (Michael) ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.3.2 RC2
+ tagged yesterday – but forgot Mac signing patch.
+ Linux + Mac builds are up-loaded to pre-release server
+ Windows still building.
+ on-schedule again.
+ 5.3.3 RC1 – due April 25th.
+ 5.2.7 RC1
+ due April 11th - for the last 5.2 release
+ 5.4. builds / master
+ tested with VS 2015 toolchain
+ still (accidentally) compatible with WinXP (so far)
   + make it clear this is not deliberate (Norbert, Cloph)
+ Android & iOS Remote
+ pushed update, no extra screaming.
+ online (Michael)
+ should do a tag & up-load soon.

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ Patches added to HelpContents after translators reviewed the English
+ New pages coming for HC by community-Template Manager (Cat Vance)
+ Call for help to update guides
+ More work on Calc guide – updating it to the latest release
+ Patch to display navigation history in New Help (Fabio Biochetti)
+ working with Osvaldo
+ nice addition – can now navigate easily.
+ Internal tasks - Annual Report, community support
+ Documentation in Apache wiki: copyright  / legal issue

* UX Update (Heiko)
  + Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
   249(249) (topicUI) bugs open, 473(473) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
   + Updates:
   BZ changes   1 week1 month   3 months   12 months  
added  5(2)  12(3) 36(3)  493(-1) 
commented 36(-17)   194(11)   667(12)3593(-4) 
  removed  0(0)   1(-1) 8(-1)  39(0)  
 resolved  7(2)  20(1) 98(4)  217(6)  
   + top 10 contributors:
 Tietze, Heiko made 139 changes in 1 month, and 2258 changes in 1 year
 Thomas Lendo made 47 changes in 1 month, and 78 changes in 1 year
 Foote, V Stuart made 46 changes in 1 month, and 667 changes in 1 year
 Buovjaga made 37 changes in 1 month, and 365 changes in 1 year
 Faulí Tarazona, Xisco made 28 changes in 1 month, and 395 changes in 1 
year
 LibreTraining made 24 changes in 1 month, and 33 changes in 1 year
 Kainz, Andreas made 17 changes in 1 month, and 31 changes in 1 year
 *UNKNOWN* made 10 changes in 1 month, and 10 changes in 1 year
 Philips, Yousuf made 8 changes in 1 month, and 1284 changes in 1 year
 Aprax made 8 changes in 1 month, and 10 changes in 1 year

  + Extension to export the custom palette accompanied by a blog post
(all help is at the AOO wiki)
   + can we copy the content across ?
   + if it is a legal question → punt to later (Michael)
  + Will have a Design session in Rome regarding Bibliography
  + Color picker has now 10 rows by default
  + Reviews GsoC projects and looking forward the work to begin
  + Style-only toolbar is being discussed on Bugzilla

* Crashtest update (Caolan)
+ 1 import failure, 0 export failures
+ 190 coverity issues
+ coverity up-loads still timing out
+ Google / ossfuzz: 24 fuzzers active now, unchanged
+ not added any more tests – existing giving out enough noise
+ lots of horsepower: they are also testing for local leaks & hangs
 + previously ignoring those; lots in this category.
+ fast-hangs are more interesting than timeout – but fixing ...

* Hackfests (Bjoern)
+ next venues / suggestions
+ next week 31st of March: talk in Granada / Spain
+ Document Freedom Day (Xisco)
+ can you poke Italo to pre-announce it as/when confirmed ?
+ Added to https://www.libreoffice.org/events/ (Xisco)
+ Ladies who FOSS – Berlin
+ monthly now (Bubli)
+ April 20th the next one
+ Italian hack-fest coming up: 4 days May 27-30th
 + Perugia University
 + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/Perugia2017
 + will sponsor accommodation/food for 4 core hacker – need names
 + first names to be added there win.
+ event in Spain (Xisco)
+ will be in Malaga for Open conference in May
+ http://www.opensouthcode.org/conference/opensouthcode2017
+ an idea to do something.
+ Xisco giving a talk there too - be good to meet up.
+ Essen 

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Caolan, Kendy, Olivier, Stephan, Thorsten, Michael M, Miklos, JanI,
  Christian, Sophie, Jan-Marek, Xisco, Heiko

* Completed Action Items:
+ org admins to invite mentors (when gsoc page bug fixed) (Thorsten)
+ look into advertising tweet for GSOC from TDF (Thorsten)

* Pending Action Items:
+ look at old Duden extension to see if they use UWINAPI.DLL (Thorsten)
[ voluntered by Stephan – due end of month.
  Should we have a museum for such things on TDF infra ? (Michael) ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.3.1 RC2 ?
 + released as final earlier today.
 + will only be suggested for update for 5.3.0 or earlier
 + no cross-update from 5.2 to 5.3 – only if minors are less than .1
+ 5.3.2 RC1
 + tag and branch will be created later today.
 + getting back on-track with that – caught up a week.
+ 5.2.7 RC1
 + due April 11th
+ Android & iOS Remote
 + up-loaded a build to the alpha channel.
 + if no drastic crash issues, will make public next week.
+ online (Michael)

* Documentation (Olivier)
 + Working on the doc website
 + improving pages & new languages.
 + Evaluating amount of effort to update Calc guide
 + one of the most demanded guides.
 + blog post: for some people in Brazil.
 + building some help-content easy hacks for potential GsoC’s
 + a nice GSoC task to improve help already present.

* UX Update (Heiko)
  + akki/Akshay does GSoC with Samuel about special character dialog
  + mkara/Muhamat showed interest in a GSoC topic.
  + got another couple of E-mails from people → ML & mentors.
  + Eric provides data from the Nantes user survey
   + wrt. Design – the most relevant issue is printer setup
   + problems with bullets & numbering.
   + will get more data from the user surveys.
  + working with custom-shapes to make them fly.
  + thinking of design / branding for next major update.
   + discuss next Mon. with TDF team.
  + survey on default color palette running.

+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
   251(251) (topicUI) bugs open, 475(475) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
   + Updates:
   BZ changes   1 week1 month3 months   12 months  
added  2(-1) 14(0)  38(1)  495(0)  
commented 28(-35)   187(-37)   669(-70)   3614(-59)
  removed  0(-1)  3(0)   9(0)   39(0)  
 resolved  1(-7) 46(-4) 94(-6) 206(1)  
   + top 10 contributors:
 Faulí Tarazona, Xisco made 146 changes in 1 month, and 385 changes in 
1 year
 Tietze, Heiko made 136 changes in 1 month, and 2202 changes in 1 year
 Foote, V Stuart made 44 changes in 1 month, and 677 changes in 1 year
 Buovjaga made 32 changes in 1 month, and 356 changes in 1 year
 Thomas Lendo made 29 changes in 1 month, and 48 changes in 1 year
 Kainz, Andreas made 19 changes in 1 month, and 20 changes in 1 year
 LibreTraining made 16 changes in 1 month, and 18 changes in 1 year
 Philips, Yousuf made 13 changes in 1 month, and 1333 changes in 1 year
 *UNKNOWN* made 10 changes in 1 month, and 10 changes in 1 year
 Aprax made 9 changes in 1 month, and 10 changes in 1 year

* Crashtest update (Caolan)
+ 0 import failure, 0 export failures
   + great work – Michael S fixed a nasty docx export issue.
+ 160 coverity issues.
  + pretty static.
+ Google / ossfuzz: 24 fuzzers active now
  + one new OLE fuzzer – and PPT added too
  + past the memory leaks & finding real thi

* Hackfests (Bjoern)
+ next venues / suggestions
+ Ladies who FOSS – Berlin, next Thursday (?) (Bubli)
+ monthly now (Bubli)
+ April 20th the next one
+ Italian hack-fest coming up: 4 days May 27-30th
 + Perugia University
 + ...
+ event in Spain (Xisco)
+ will be in Malaga for Open conference in May
+ http://www.opensouthcode.org/conference/opensouthcode2017
+ an idea to do something.
+ Xisco giving a talk there too - be good to meet up.
+ UX people: Arnaud suggested a UX meeting (Heiko)
+ no commitments here -> drop this.
+ Essen meeting (Bjoern)
+ suggestions for bike-shedding topics to get people interesting
+ UX / Extensions ?
+ suggested dates in April 15th or 23rd German community coming up with 
that.
+ not nailed down yet
+ another hackfest in Granada / Spain for Document Freedom Day (Xisco)
+ initially give a talk 31st March and see how students react
 + if good - give a hack-fest

* mentoring/easyhack update (JanI)
   + openhub statistics (2017-03-10), 273(273) people did 15494(15494) commits 
in 12 month in 9045504(9045504) lines of code
   + gerrit/git statistics:
 

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Caolan, Heiko, Kendy, Miklos, Michael M, Sophie, Eike, Stephan,
  Norbert, Christian, Björn, Olivier, Andras, David, bubli, Jan-Marek, 
Thorsten,
  Xisco, Michael S

* Completed Action Items:
+ collect names of Perugia / Hackfest interested mentors in a wiki page 
(Bjoern)
  template wiki page created: 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/Perugia2017

* Pending Action Items:
+ org admins to invite mentors (when gsoc page bug fixed) (Thorsten)
+ look into advertising tweet for GSOC from TDF (Thorsten)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.2.6 RC2
+ announced as final today.
+ test was randomly failing (Bjoern)
+ was known; not seen it before - a regression (?)
+ mentioned in previous ESC calls - in XShape2 tests (Cloph)
+ only failed on Windows; Linux un-affected apparently.
+ prolly some dep. chain / dependency issue.
   + worked on 2nd try so ...
+ broke on i386 Ubuntu builders so can't be a dep issue (Bjoern)
   + help / test disabling appreciated (Michael)
+ 5.3.1 RC2
+ on pre-releases, and is being pushed to mirrors
+ will be announced as RC later today.
+ Android & iOS Remote
+ Intel build ready, ARM out of space - release soon.
+ online (Michael)
+ 5.3.2 next - patches welcome etc.

* Retrospective: bump master baseline from MSVC 2013 to 2015? (Stephan)
+ any problems ? (Michael)
+ not updated tinderbox build pieces for this branch yet (Cloph)
+ some problems updating toolchains from people. (Stephan)
+ UWINAPI.DLL - a cleanup fix to get rid of that
AI:+ look at old Duden extension to see if they use that (Thorsten)

* Documentation (Olivier)
 + Published blog post on latest guide
 + Traffic on documentation website climbing steadily
 + Patch by aeimi for new help system (need more work)
 + Awaiting Pootle fix for Help 3 (as last week)
 + didn't connect with pootle devs this week (Cloph)
 + last week: had found another issue - fixing & testing.
 + not sure when this would happen.
 + content changes don't need to wait; only automated cleanups (Cloph)

* UX Update (Heiko)
  + Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
   251(251) (topicUI) bugs open, 475(475) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
   + Updates:
   BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
added  3(1) 14(2) 37(3)  495(-1) 
commented 63(39)   224(7)739(23)3673(-22)
  removed  1(0)  3(1)  9(1)   39(1)  
 resolved  8(6) 50(4)100(3)  205(8)  
   + top 10 contributors:
 Faulí Tarazona, Xisco made 166 changes in 1 month, and 379 changes in 
1 year
 Tietze, Heiko made 142 changes in 1 month, and 2189 changes in 1 year
 Foote, V Stuart made 46 changes in 1 month, and 682 changes in 1 year
 Buovjaga made 41 changes in 1 month, and 367 changes in 1 year
 Thomas Lendo made 40 changes in 1 month, and 44 changes in 1 year
 Cor Nouws made 22 changes in 1 month, and 477 changes in 1 year
 Kainz, Andreas made 15 changes in 1 month, and 16 changes in 1 year
 LibreTraining made 15 changes in 1 month, and 17 changes in 1 year
 Philips, Yousuf made 13 changes in 1 month, and 1395 changes in 1 year
 *UNKNOWN* made 10 changes in 1 month, and 10 changes in 1 year
   + will run a survey on default table styles
  + 39 different styles, both existing and new
   + also planned is a quick poll about the default color palette
  + three options on the table; community to decide.
   + considering interactive prototyping tool with RE feature
   + would like to make clear what new functionality is needed
 to make it fully functional
+ no way to compare features introduced vs. replaced.
+ open-source tools already a problem when un-maintained 
(Michael)
 + not eager for proprietary too
   + any problem with requirement tracking ? (Heiko)
+ word 'requirement' is a bit tricky in open-source (Michael)

* Crashtest update (Caolan)
+ 3 import failure, 1 export failures
+ cleared the docx issues.
+ one of the import failures is in the number-formatting code
+ changed recently.
+ 168 coverity issues.
  + didn't do much this week.
+ Google / ossfuzz: 22 fuzzers active now
+ picking leaks out of things to get ppt going
  + fuzzer crashes when OOM currently.
+ lots of places, temporarily duplicating memory when moving bitmaps 
around
+ fixing some of these to reduce memory use.
+ using a representative minimal set of documents for this.
  + http://dev-www.libreoffice.org/corpus/

* linking from 

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] LibreOffice Online and Collabora Online demos for TDF members and contributors

[Michael Meeks]

Hi Thomas,

On 07/03/17 12:21, Thomas Hackert wrote:
> sorry for this late answer 

No problem at all =)

> thank you very much for bringing this to a wider audience :)

Our pleasure.

> Where should we report bugs found in LOOL? In our Bugzilla, here on
> this list or somewhere else?

Bugs found against the TDF / master belong (if they are LibreOffice
Online, or LibreOffice bugs) at:

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/

vs. the 'LibreOffice Online' product if they are specific to online. If
they are bugs in the ownCloud / Nextcloud integration I guess they
belong at the relevant project's bug-trackers; I assume that Aron knows
where that is =)

Thanks for testing,

Michael.

-- 
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

Hi Thorsten,

On 17/02/17 02:40, Thorsten Behrens wrote:
> To expand a bit on that, very happy to say that Kopano
> (https://kopano.com/) is sponsoring us to improve the stable TDF
> branch of LibreOffice Online, which so far has not seen many
> bugfixes.

Curious;

$ cd online
$ git log libreoffice-5-3-branch-point..origin/libreoffice-5-3 --oneline
| nl

suggests that Collabora has done ~40 commits there quite apart
from the huge number of bug fixes and (if I say so myself) incredible
investment from Collabora before the 5-3 branch-point - ie. in our run
up to CODE 2.0 which happened before the 5-3 branch.

Of course - its great to have help maintaining LibreOffice
Online 5.3: welcome to the party. Having said that if it is possible
to buy just some maintenance without funding any significant feature
development work - there is a real risk of starving future feature
investment, but that's not really a concern for the dev list.

All the best,

Michael.

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[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Caolan, Heiko, JanI, Kendy, Miklos, Xisco, Stephan, Sophie, Norbert,
   Michael M, Olivier, Christian, Eike, Bjoern, Michael S, Jan-Marek

* Completed Action Items:
+ test build configuations with VS 2015 (Norbert+?)
[ Tested and it worked on 32bit and 64bit and 64bit dbgutil
   + needs more work to switch slaves to this before moving.
+ problems with pro ? (Stephan)
+ no MSDN needed to un-install.
+ FOSDEM hack-fest attendees:
   + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/FOSDEM2017#Achievements

* Pending Action Items:

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.2.6 RC1
   + delayed a bit - behind schedule.
   + tagging on Saturday evening.
+ 5.3.1 RC1
   + probably on Monday.
   + final release shifted one week.
+ delays due to:
+ pootle server unavailability
+ windows unit test failure overnight
+ which test ? (Michael)
+ an XShape2 test ... (Cloph)
+ were enabled on Windows by Khaled (Miklos)
+ 32bit build issue.
+ Tamas looking into a grim chart layout issue (Michael)
+ Android & iOS Remote
+ online (Michael)
  + 5.3.1 RC1 planned – postponed / due after an l10n update (?)#
   + doing ASAP with translation bits.
+ 5.4 release plan added to wiki
+ if distro builders request changes - let Cloph know.

* Bump master baseline from MSVC 2013 to 2015? (Stephan)
+ ok with bumping base-line for 5.4 (Cloph)
=> re-visit next week with more data from Norbert.

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ Compiled book Getting started with LibreOfifce 5.2
+ On line reading available at https://goo.gl/xUUG9V
   + cleaned chapters from the direct formatting
   + XHTML export of very good quality.
   + hope to announce in a couple of days
+ Help patches on hold until Pootle is definitely fixed
   + don't need to hold off on content (Cloph)
+ but avoid cleanup changes
+ fuzzy strings and new strings are fine; but not big replacements.
   + currently pootle / libo_ui & libo_help apply to 5.3 branch (Cloph)
+ after pootle is mended - will split off 5.3 (→ libo53_ui & 
libo53_help)
  (after that libo_ui and libo_help will be updated with master's 
templates)
+ corrections in master will end up in 5.3 ? (Olivier)
+ no, pootle tracks 5.3, but git / master tracks 5.4
=> sort this out later.(Cloph, Olivier)
+ Next: Help menu entry for donations.
+ Next: Latest guide announcement blog post 
+ New instances of Askbot on-line for NL teams (Basque and Dutch)
 +Next: Hebrew.
 => infra handling that.

* UX Update (Heiko)
  + Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
   250(250) (topicUI) bugs open, 475(475) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
   + Updates:
   BZ changes   1 week1 month3 months   12 months  
added  5(-1) 15(-2) 38(-2) 495(-4) 
commented 55(6) 222(-18)   729(-85)   3705(-82)
  removed  1(1)   1(-2)  7(1)   38(-1) 
 resolved  6(-26)46(-2)102(5)  195(5)  
   + top 10 contributors:
 Tietze, Heiko made 148 changes in 1 month, and 2136 changes in 1 year
 Faulí Tarazona, Xisco made 146 changes in 1 month, and 349 changes in 
1 year
 Foote, V Stuart made 42 changes in 1 month, and 678 changes in 1 year
 Cor Nouws made 36 changes in 1 month, and 494 changes in 1 year
 Philips, Yousuf made 28 changes in 1 month, and 1575 changes in 1 year
 Buovjaga made 24 changes in 1 month, and 358 changes in 1 year
 Thomas Lendo made 12 changes in 1 month, and 14 changes in 1 year
 m.a.riosv made 11 changes in 1 month, and 53 changes in 1 year
 tommy27 made 10 changes in 1 month, and 88 changes in 1 year
 *UNKNOWN* made 9 changes in 1 month, and 16 changes in 1 year
   + talked about a procedure/how-to add Notebookbars
   + working on implementation of simplified infobar

* Crashtest update (Caolan)
+ 6 import failure, 8 export failures
+ various fixes committed
+ 201 coverity issues.
+ down a couple of hundred - cf. tweaked compilation flags
   around exceptions.
+ Google / ossfuzz: 19 fuzzers active now
+ all of the graphical file formats, and moving to HWP, LWP etc.
+ infrastructure ok again.
 
* Hackfests (Bjoern)
+ next venues / suggestions
+ Ladies who FOSS – sometime in March (Bubli)
+ organized in Berlin.
+ Italian hack-fest coming up: 4 days May 27-30th
 + Perugia University
 + successful students get course credits
 + expect 15+ experienced students.
   + Osvaldo helping out.
 + planning to go if he can (Bjoern)
 + lots of people want to go to 

[Libreoffice-qa] LibreOffice Online and Collabora Online demos for TDF members and contributors

[Michael Meeks]

Dear TDF members, developers, localizers, QA-ers, and all contributors,

We are happy to announce two demo servers:

1. LibreOffice Online powered by LibreOffice, weekly snapshot of
   master branches of online and core repositories, with ownCloud 9.1

https://demo.collaboracloudsuite.com/tdf/

Here is where you can checkout the latest features, latest
translations, and help file and fix the latest bugs.

2. Collabora Online demo, the stable product from Collabora with Nextcloud 11
https://demo.collaboracloudsuite.com/tdfnextcloud/

These are just the start - credentials are based from the new (under
development) TDF LDAP server - allowing other providers to connect and
provide other services.

To create an LDAP account (that you should be able to use in the
future to access TDF Bugzilla, TDF Wiki, etc.) - checkout:

https://user.documentfoundation.org/ 

* More details:

These demos will allow you to try out LibreOffice Online and Collabora
Online. You can upload new documents, share them and edit them (alone or
collaboratively). But before you start to upload files, please keep the
following in mind:

* Don’t upload private or sensitive information. Sessions and data
  may be logged for performance and testing reasons, so when you use
  this demo, don’t upload your diary or bank statements. A set of
  test-files is already uploaded for you, ready to play with. Having
  said that, we will try hard to avoid publishing your data without
  your consent.

* These demos are running on Collabora's servers, which will be upgraded
  fairly regularly. This is cool, because you’ll be able to try out
  the latest edition, with new features etc. On the other hand: your
  data may get eaten! save regularly.

* We'll try to keep the service available - but it may disappear at
  any time - no guarentees.

* About LibreOffice Online

With LibreOffice Online you can collaboratively edit office documents
directly in any modern browser. It includes Writer, Calc and Impress,
and boosts excellent support for all popular office file formats.
There is an optimized LibreOffice core at the heart of the architecture
of LibreOffice Online, and document rendering is achieved by delivering
a “picture” of the document to the GUI in the form of a canvas of .png
tiles. When users edit a document, these .png tiles are refreshed
seamlessly to display the new or amended content. (Press
Ctrl+Alt+Shift+D in the browser to enter into debugging mode and see how
it works.)

* Credits

While we celebrate and credit the fantastic work of the LibreOffice
community without which there could be no LibreOffice Online - it is
clear that Collabora (with thanks to our customers & partners) is the
architect and driving force behind putting LibreOffice in the Cloud.
We're eager to change that: there is lots of low hanging fruit here
for developers, and we love contributions. So please get testing, and
contributing to the code - patches welcome in gerrit and on the
development mailing lists.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

Hi Pedro,

On 17/02/17 11:41, Pedro wrote:
>>  + online/TDF/LDAP accounts etc. (Michael)
>>   + https://user.documentfoundation.org
> 
> I assumed this would point to a test version but it seems to be a login
> interface only... Am I missing something?

Riight - so we're working on a proper announcement here.

> Is TDF hosting a free account version of LOO (not a nice acronym for British
> English people ;) ) at least for testing purposes?

Heh - so - Collabora is already hosting that as a service for the
community - with integration into the above LDAP-ness (please do create
an account there). It already works but is not yet announced: we're
expediting that =) happy to send anyone details privately there.

> How is LibreOffice Online comparable with Collabora Online?


https://www.collaboraoffice.com/community-en/understanding-the-differences-between-libreoffice-online-code-and-collabora-online/

May be helpful =)

HTH,

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[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Caolan, Heiko, JanI, Olivier, Norbert, Michael M, Xisco, Eike,
  Christian, Sophie, Stephan, Miklos, Thorsten, Michael S

* Completed Action Items:
+ add Mark Page  to committers (Norbert)

* Pending Action Items:
+ FOSDEM hack-fest attendees:
   + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/FOSDEM2017#Achievements
   + so far - just two people added anything ...

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.2.6 RC1
  + tagged 1 hour ago, we’re on track.
+ 5.3.1 RC1
  + prepared today – delayed by a week due to pootle
  + 1 fix wrt. Windows installer icons 
https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/33943/ 
  + no problem with docs impact (Olivier)
 => just merge it.
+ Android & iOS Remote
+ online (Michael)
  + online branch maintenance (Thorsten)
 + wondering for 5.3 – what’s the policy ?
 + not using gerrit much.
 + customer wants to do stabilization & bug-fixing
 - plan for one review in gerrit (Thorsten)
 + plan to do a 5.3.1 RC in a week (Michael)

* Bump master baseline from MSVC 2013 to 2015? (Stephan)
+ see mail 
 
“Support new and discontinue old compilers” from David O.
+ tried to contact all the buildbot / tinderbox owners
 + not contacted (Norbert)
  + installed 2015 on the box a year ago.
  + 64bit release worked, but all else failed.
 + Concerned that:
  + does release & dbgutil profiles build ?
  + VS 2013 parallel builds should work too – need to use 2013
 + bots using 2013 (Cloph, Thorsten)
 + failed try to build 2015 last week (Thorsten)
  + works for Stephan.
 + time to try it again.
+ Is 32bit tested ? - the concern here it seems.
 + otherwise eager to try again.
+ MSDN issue ? → solution to use Community Edition Visual Studio.
 + buy windows server licenses, scrape Office versions from here & 
there.
AI: + test build configuations (Norbert)
+ Is there any gain of functionality with 2015 ?
 + not that much (Stephan)
 + some unicode bits, some improved const_expr bits.
 + just avoiding technical debt.
 + de-duplicate python versions (Miklos)
+ Not aware of any loss of functionality (Stephan)

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ Release 5.3 has links to documentation site
   + Surge on the traffic from LO users: avg 300 unique visits/day
   + Most wanted Guide: Calc, 75 /week
   + Writer : 56 /week
   + Base: 52 / week
   + Draw: 38 / week
   + Getting started: 35/week
   + Countries (measured by locale of the UI)
  en-US: 794 entries
  de: 175 (redirected to wiki)
  fr: 172 (redirected to wiki)
  it: 146 
  ru: 136 (no entry page, NL team contacted)
  ja: 126 (no entry page, NL team contacted)
  es: 79
+ Help content modernization
   + meeting with bubli, kendy, cloph in Brussels
  + awaiting Pootle to come back to resume
  + Need some temporary reverts, to avois fuzzy state for translators
  + important patches to reorder images and objects in help pages 
(bubli, Gabor)
+ Next steps
   + resume HC modernization
   + Donate entry in Help menu tdf#105831
   + Finish Getting Started Guide 5.2 (“compile book”)
   + Start Calc Guide 5.x update (as per download rate above)

* UX Update (Heiko)
   + Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
   252(252) (topicUI) bugs open, 478(478) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
   + Updates:
   BZ changes   1 week   1 month3 months   12 months  
added  6(5) 17(3)  40(2)  499(5)  
commented 49(-5)   240(-16)   814(33)3787(27) 
  removed  0(0)  3(-2)  6(-1)  39(0)  
 resolved 32(26)48(16) 97(20) 190(5)  
   + top 10 contributors:
 Tietze, Heiko made 170 changes in 1 month, and 2098 changes in 1 year
 Faulí Tarazona, Xisco made 151 changes in 1 month, and 354 changes in 
1 year
 Buovjaga made 42 changes in 1 month, and 387 changes in 1 year
 Cor Nouws made 33 changes in 1 month, and 480 changes in 1 year
 Philips, Yousuf made 29 changes in 1 month, and 1641 changes in 1 year
 Foote, V Stuart made 27 changes in 1 month, and 672 changes in 1 year
 Iversen, Jan made 13 changes in 1 month, and 428 changes in 1 year
 Olivier R. made 11 changes in 1 month, and 15 changes in 1 year
 tommy27 made 10 changes in 1 month, and 91 changes in 1 year
 Mehrbrodt, Samuel made 10 changes in 1 month, and 211 changes in 1 year

  + donation link in help menu (assigned to Olivier)
  + discussed before wrt. changing the help 

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
  + Andras, Caolan, Kendy, JanI, Xisco, Michael M, Stephan, Miklos, Bjoern,
Michael S, Jan-Marek, Thorsten

* Completed Action Items:
  + setup bibisect repository for 4.3 with Norbert (Xisco)
 + [ Norbert showed how to do it – already building the data ]
  + give authorization to Xisco on jenkins in-person @ FOSDEM (Norbert)
  + setup and welcome Mark Page (JanI)
 + [ Kendy to do the actual button pressing in gerrit ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ add Mark Page  to committers

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.2.6 RC1
 → squeeze one additional release in - rc1 week 7, rc2 week 9, final 
announce March 10
+ 5.3.0 retrospective
+ 5.3.1 RC1
 → rc1 later today, rc2 week 8, final on Mar 2nd
+ Android & iOS Remote (Cloph)
 → nice patches from Aleksandar
 but a little too crashy for submitting to playstore (unrelated to his 
changes)
+ online (Michael)
+ tagged, made packages, Andras sent → Cloph. (5.3.0 tarball on mirrors)
+ online/TDF/LDAP accounts etc. (Michael)
+ https://user.documentfoundation.org

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ no Olivier -> still travelling ?

* UX Update (Heiko)
   + Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
   253(253) (topicUI) bugs open, 473(473) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
   + Updates:
   BZ changes   1 week   1 month3 months   12 months
  added   1(-3)14(-2) 38(-4) 494(1)
  commented  54(-1)   256(-14)   781(5) 3760(10)
removed   0(0)  5(0)   7(0)   39(0)
   resolved   6(0) 32(-3) 77(4)  185(3)
   + top 10 contributors:
 Tietze, Heiko made 193 changes in 1 month, and 2074 changes in 1 year
 Foote, V Stuart made 37 changes in 1 month, and 670 changes in 1 year
 Philips, Yousuf made 31 changes in 1 month, and 1647 changes in 1 year
 Faulí Tarazona, Xisco made 27 changes in 1 month, and 216 changes in 1 
year
 Cor Nouws made 25 changes in 1 month, and 467 changes in 1 year
 Telesto made 24 changes in 1 month, and 39 changes in 1 year
 Iversen, Jan made 22 changes in 1 month, and 453 changes in 1 year
 m.a.riosv made 15 changes in 1 month, and 55 changes in 1 year
 Kevin, Suo (锁琨珑) made 13 changes in 1 month, and 17 changes in 1 year
 Olivier R. made 11 changes in 1 month, and 16 changes in 1 year
+ talked with Alex Arnaud about a11y
+ filed ideas about gsoc projects.
+ have around 20 big tasks - we can make other projects from them.
+ encouraging people to become mentors.

* Crashtest update (Caolan)
+ 7 import failure, 4 export failures (newly added assert firing)
+ 414 coverity issues.
+ the same - went to zero - last build was broken before FOSDEM.
+ looking for a way to rid us of Exception warnings
+ Google / ossfuzz: 14 fuzzers active now
+ a few trickling in each day.

* FOSDEM Retrospective
+ what went well vs. badly etc.
+ hack-fest - more fun in the dedicated room ? (Michael)
+ more people from translators - working on pootle bits (Cloph)
+ hacking around libreoffice.
+ now need to verify the script, that it produces the correct 
results
+ identified that we have some legacy junk in the DB -> can reduce 
data set a lot.
+ would have liked more of a social event (JMux)
   + eating together; Italo has found a kitchen we can cook in eg.
   + hopefully will work out in Perugia & be more social.
+ hack-fest special: right after FOSDEM (Bjoern)
   + had talked there already (?)
   + often have lightning talks at hackfests eg.
+ if you were there - please add things in the wiki as to what you did 
(Bjoern)
   + to put things in the board reports:
+ https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/FOSDEM2017#Achievements
 
* Hackfests (Bjoern)
+ next venues / suggestions
+ Ladies who FOSS – sometime in March (Bubli)
+ organized in Berlin.
+ Italian hack-fest coming up: 4 days May 27-30th
 + Perugia University
 + successful students get course credits
 + expect 15+ experienced students.
   + Osvaldo helping out.
 + planning to go if he can (Bjoern)
 + lots of people want to go to Italy in May it seems
   + may have to start looking at who should go.
+ event in Spain (Xisco)
+ will be in Malaga for Open conference in May
+ http://www.opensouthcode.org/conference/opensouthcode2017
+ an idea to do something.
+ UX people: Arnaud suggested a UX meeting (Heiko)
+ perhaps in Corsica; acknowledged - UX people.
   + like the idea
+ love to have some devs there too (Michael)
+ have a topic focus on UX.
+ Essen meeting (Bjoern)
+ suggestions for bike-shedding topics to 

[Libreoffice-qa] ESC call stats (no call) ...

[Michael Meeks]

No ESC call is expected due to FOSDEM; but here are some
of the QA stats I generated anyway:

+ Most Pressing Bugs: http://tdf.io/mostressingbugs
  + Older:
+ Some Impress slide transitions crash LO on older GPUs
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103263
+ ongoing investigation; Win XP + OGL [!] ...
+ Firebird: Trying to close Firebird-DB without saving leads to 
hang of LO 
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=105062

* QA stats
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/page.cgi?id=weekly-bug-summary.html
+131-152(-21 overall)
many thanks to the top bug squashers:
QA Administrators 55
Xisco Faulí   19
Caolán McNamara9
Eike Rathke6
V Stuart Foote 5
Buovjaga   5
Tamas Bunth3
Mike Kaganski  3
Heiko Tietze   3
Telesto3
Timur  3
Julien Nabet   3
Kohei Yoshida  3
Miklos Vajna   2

* Highest-Priority bugs (aka "MABs"):
5.3: 2/27   -  7%
5.2: 3/27   - 11%
5.1: 2/33   -  6%
5.0: 3/57   -  5%
4.4: 4/73   -  5%
4.3: 4/70   -  5%
4.2: 6/132  -  4%
4.1: 3/80   -  3%
4.0: 4/81   -  4%
old: 27/251 - 10%
+ http://bit.ly/2dp3mwC

* Bisected bugs open: keyword 'bisected'
+ more accurate - down to a single commit.
+ 342/1220 339/1211 338/1196 338/1187 320/1161 310/1143
+ http://bit.ly/2dyIfDy

+ Done by:

* Bibisected bugs open: keyword 'bibisected'
+ 411/1761 410/1754 410/1737 410/1727 395/1700 389/1680 382/1651
+ http://bit.ly/2cSCXlS

+ Done by:

* all bugs tagged with 'regression'
+ 765(-3) bugs open of 5684(+11) total 10(-2) high prio.

+ Done by:

* ~Component   count net * high severity regressions
   LibreOffice - 3 (+0)
graphics stack – 2 (+1)
  Base - 2 (+0)
   Impress - 2 (-1)
   Writer  - 1 (-1)
  Calc - 0 (-1)
+ http://bit.ly/1HWHb3E

by OS:
+ Mac - 5
+ Windows - 2
+ All - 1
+ Linux   - 1

* ~Component   count net * all regressions
  Writer: other – 127 (-6)
   Calc - 128 (+7)
Impress - 71 (-2)
   Writer: docx - 65 (+0)
LibreOffice - 56 (+1)
 UI - 43 (-1)
 graphics stack - 39 (+3)
Writer: doc - 38 (-1)
   Base - 33 (+1)
Crashes – 30 (-4)
Borders - 29 (-2)
   Draw – 30 (+0)
 Writer: filter – 25 (+0)
   filter / storage – 21 (+1)
  Chart - 19 (+2)
   Writer: perf – 19 (+0)
 print / PDF export - 13 (+0)
  BASIC - 11 (+1)
  framework -  3 (+0)
 Extensions -  2 (+0)
 Linguistic -  1 (+1)
   Installation -  1 (+0)
sdk -  1 (+0)
 Formula Editor -  1 (+0)
 + http://bit.ly/1BUdI8i
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[Libreoffice-qa] ESC / budget suggestion ranking ...

[Michael Meeks]

Hi Tamas / all,

After some weeks of quiescence, and with 18 ESC types ranking these and
averaging the results (by convention we publish just the average) we
have the attached.

On 30/01/17 22:42, Zolnai Tamás wrote:
>> * TDF / Budgeting / Brainstorming (Thorsten)
>
> When will these scores be public? I'm interested how ranking looks like.

And now some notes to set expectations:

* TDF's discretionary development budget is fairly small
+ I would not expect to see more than a handful of
  these put out to tender.

* The proposals now go into the board's budgeting wringer -
  I'll add the top 15 or so there: if the board thinks
  differently looking from a whole-project basis, we can end up
  with a different ranking.

* Getting Macs for developers to address Mac specific issues
  was very highly rated, but already approved by the board &
  starting to be actioned.

* For items that are not funded - we have a GSOC coming up that
  may be a good fit for some of the smaller items.

HTH,

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[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Stephan, Caolan, Andras, Kendy, JanI, Xisco, Miklos, Michael M,
Eike, Heiko, Christian, Jan-Marek, Bubli, Michael S, Sweetshark

* Completed Action Items:
  + mail Norbert wrt. Aleksandar and welcome (JanI)
  + do the area layout / issue revert for 5.3 (Xisco)
  + Eventually not reverted: 
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/minutes-of-ESC-call-tp4205182p4205193.html
Fixed by Tomaž Vajngerl - Thanks
  + investigate https://beta.opendocumentformat.org/testsets/all/en (Xisco)
[ https://gitlab.com/odfplugfest/odfserver]
+ Server is up and running locally in a vm
  + revert ‘online’ toolbar / textwrap patch for 5.3 (Thorsten)
+ there, just on the branch though.

* Pending Action Items:
  + setup bibisect repository for 4.3 with Norbert (Xisco)
 + planned for FOSDEM.
  + give authorization to Xisco on jenkins in-person @ FOSDEM (Norbert)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.2.5 release status
+ announced today
+ 5.3.0 RC3
+ will tag this later today, will be announced before FOSDEM
+ rather a short RC → we go live on Wednesday.
+ anything in the queue ?
 + curl update – with a -1 from Thorsten
 + Caolan – a couple of patches needing review.
 + round up reviews:
https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/q/status:open+branch:libreoffice-5-3-0 
+ final release as planned
+ Android & iOS Remote (Cloph)
+ Jan reviewed pending patches; so release planned.
+ online (Michael)
+ need to tag & release today.
+ online/TDF/LDAP accounts etc. (Michael)
+ status ? we’d love to announce that for wider testing, l10n etc.
+ people are invited to try out the LDAP (Cloph)
+ that gives accounts on master LibreOffice Online builds instance.
+ also access to Collabora demo server etc.
+ 

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ away today +
+ More help contents corrections
+ More chapters of Getting Started 5.2 reviewed
+ Contact with Fabio Biochetti yesterday night:
+ breadcrumbs for online help ready, need support with gerrit.
+ Fabio not needing gerrit support (JanI)

* Gerrit feedback for David (Michael)
+ going to the gerrit conf. on our behalf.
+ annoying behavior – automatic lost of comments when not logged in (Miklos)
+ if reply needs re-login, comment is lost.
+ love a queue that auto-merged when CI succeeds (Michael)
+ one button migration of github pull requests ? (Bjoern)
 e.g. status of https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T37497
* UX Update (Heiko)
  + Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
   253(253) (topicUI) bugs open, 470(470) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
   + Updates:
   BZ changes   1 week1 month   3 months   12 months  
added  6(3)  15(5) 42(7)  494(19) 
commented 37(-36)   250(30)   799(-3)3751(89) 
  removed  0(-2)  6(3)  7(-2)  39(4)  
 resolved  4(-12)37(-1)73(-35)178(4)  
   + top 10 contributors:
 Tietze, Heiko made 167 changes in 1 month, and 2001 changes in 1 year
 Foote, V Stuart made 41 changes in 1 month, and 665 changes in 1 year
 Iversen, Jan made 25 changes in 1 month, and 465 changes in 1 year
 Telesto made 25 changes in 1 month, and 37 changes in 1 year
 Buovjaga made 24 changes in 1 month, and 359 changes in 1 year
 Cor Nouws made 16 changes in 1 month, and 454 changes in 1 year
 Philips, Yousuf made 15 changes in 1 month, and 1648 changes in 1 year
 Faulí Tarazona, Xisco made 14 changes in 1 month, and 203 changes in 1 
year
 Kevin, Suo made 13 changes in 1 month, and 17 changes in 1 year
 Monastirsky, Maxim made 10 changes in 1 month, and 78 changes in 1 year
+ could have work for 20-30 students on GSOC (but some UI / mockup 
proposals needed).

* Enable creating backups of user profile in release builds (Bubli)
+ part of profile safe mode feature
+ 2 backups (zip archives) of user profile kept around in non-release builds
+ user profile can be restored from those backups in safe mode
+ a patch from Samuel M: https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/33584/1
   + activates this in release builds. 
   + untested in practice so far, risk level unclear 
+ feature is shown in the UI ? (Michael)
   + restore from backup always inactive in 5.3 – no backups generated.
   + don’t know how big they can grow in real life.
+ users can enable this manually – but unsure if it should be for everyone.
+ drag and drop to the gallery can create big user directories (Heiko)
   + warning taking a backup can consume 1Gb for big galleries.
   + could we ask for confirmation at a high level ?
   + 

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

Sorry for the delay.

* Present
+ Stephan, Andras, Caolan, Heiko, JanI, Kendy, Olivier, Xisco, Michael M,
  Sophie, Christian, Lionel, Norbert, Thorsten, Bubli, Michael S, Eike,
  Jan-Marek, Bjoern

* Completed Action Items:
+ write to Aron & Heiko to welcome to committing (Kendy)
+ poke Florian to encourage posting of Macs (Cloph/Michael)
+ have a look at certification names again (Kendy)

* Pending Action Items:
+ produce a trend / graph of last year’s work (JanI)
+ September – September numbers here 
https://conference.libreoffice.org/assets/Conference/Brno/iversen-development-mentoring.pdf
+ investigate https://beta.opendocumentformat.org/testsets/all/en (Xisco)
[ https://gitlab.com/odfplugfest/odfserver
  More progress still waiting for Jos’ help ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.2.5 RC1 schedule acceleration ?
+ fixes for both regressions in 5.2
+ builds done, tagging finished, up-loading underway.
+ should we do an RC1 release as final ?
  + Markus’ patches in the release & sensible (Xisco)
  + concern wrt. rushing things (Thorsten)
  + does waiting one week make sense ? (Xisco)
   => test over the weekend – recide RC2 or release on Tuesday (Xisco)
+ 5.3.0 RC2 update
+ bug in RC1 not being signed; patch from Tor to fix it.
+ would be a blocker for RC2 if we can’t confirm it is fixed.
+ REMINDER: please update with your features ASAP:
  https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/5.3
+ Updated Marketing in TDF call (Sophie)
+ Android & iOS Remote (Cloph)
+ new build in the beta channel needing promotion to production.
+ online (Michael)
AI: + remove textwrap patch for 5.3 ? (Thorsten)

* MSDN license situation (Michael)
+ no responses from Microsoft
+ MSDN costs O($1000)/year → for one person.
+ Visual Studio is now free.
+ get Development budget line-item for buying MS / Windows licenses ?
 + not enthusiastic (Norbert)
 + Happy for OS licenses - $100 for VMs (Michael)
+ all CI builds are at 2012 and working (Norbert)
+ expected that legacy MSDN licenses are perpetual anyway (Michael)
 => no urgent action required.
+ want to pin-down the use-cases, instead of “because we used this stuff 
before” (Bjoern)
=> ask for $1k for Windows licenses.

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ 3 days healing food intoxication, low productivity.
+ Many help page errors fixed after translator noticed.
   + XHP + gerrit very hard/impossible to catch typos, dups, etc..
+ More help pages fixed by Gabor Kelemen (reconnecting UI with HC)
+ Some pages completely rewritten (bad english) (Olivier)
+ Investigating more developments for HC – next-gen.

* Mac development H/W (Thorsten)
+ Sophie working on getting Macs.
+ best if TDF buys them – to have invoice with TDF name on it.
+ high-res 4k screen for Caolan
+ just buy it & get a TDF on the invoice line.
=> put this in the budget: QA team high-res display too (Xisco)
* my screen is 4K (MAC) and I can test on demand. (janI)

* UX Update (Heiko)
 + Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
   252(252) (topicUI) bugs open, 487(487) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
   + Updates:
   BZ changes   1 week1 month3 months   12 months  
added  4(2)  13(3)  40(-1) 506(0)  
commented 46(-29)   242(-43)   846(-69)   3707(8)  
  removed  0(-1)  1(0)   9(-4)  34(0)  
 resolved  5(-8) 30(-2) 99(-5) 160(4)  
   + top 10 contributors:
 Tietze, Heiko made 128 changes in 1 month, and 1930 changes in 1 year
 Foote, V Stuart made 52 changes in 1 month, and 664 changes in 1 year
 Buovjaga made 31 changes in 1 month, and 356 changes in 1 year
 Cor Nouws made 31 changes in 1 month, and 445 changes in 1 year
 Iversen, Jan made 24 changes in 1 month, and 472 changes in 1 year
 Zolnai, Tamás made 16 changes in 1 month, and 19 changes in 1 year
 tommy27 made 13 changes in 1 month, and 82 changes in 1 year
 Schäfe,r Christoph made 10 changes in 1 month, and 24 changes in 1 
year
 Philips, Yousuf made 10 changes in 1 month, and 1648 changes in 1 year
 Kelemen, Gabor made 9 changes in 1 month, and 13 changes in 1 year

+ talking about Breeze as default icon set on Windows
   + G+ poll reveals ~65% acceptance, but rejected as it’s not a perfect fit
   + area style dialop patch with fix size reverted because of whitespace 
and
 hi-res trouble
 + now the controls are badly aligned again

   + new issue created as MAB tdf#105259
   + Beluga: can’t be fixed before 5.3
   + asking for help with glade (Heiko)
   + even 

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
 + Stephan, Heiko, Kendy, Michael M, Sophie, Markus, Andras,
   Olivier, Xisco, Caolan, Jan-Marek, Michael S, Bjoern, Eike

* Completed Action Items:
+ move gitdm-config from freedesktop to gerrit (Norbert)

* Pending Action Items:
+ produce a trend / graph of last year’s work (JanI)
+ have a look at certification names again (Kendy)
[ not looked yet ]
+ poke at MSDN licenses (Michael)
+ investigate https://beta.opendocumentformat.org/testsets/all/en (Xisco)
[ https://gitlab.com/odfplugfest/odfserver
  Tried to install it in Ubuntu with no success, need a bigger 
machine
  Trying now in a VM with NixOS ( Jos’ recommendation ) ]
+ poke Florian to encourage posting of Macs (Cloph)
[ on vacation ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.2.5 RC1 schedule acceleration ?
+ fixes for both regressions in 5.2
+ Markus’ fix may help a lot with lots of shutdown crashes.
+ Xisco mailed QA guys to test this hard → nothing bad so far. 
=> Recommend move 5.2.5 in one week – to freeze Monday/Tuesday.
+ 5.3.0 RC2 update
=> Push this out one week, unless we can do both in one week.
+ Update Marketing in TDF call (Sophie)
+ Android & iOS Remote (Cloph)
+ will prepare a new build based on the branch-off tag
+ online (Michael)

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ In the middle of the translation cycle
+ lots of corrections to help have been flagged & corrected in master
+ updated chapters on the books recently.
+ updating things for the new release.
+ Next: Will test screenshots make enabled by bubli
  ( https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Screenshots )
+ issues with overlapping of screenshots when tested.
+ communicated with Bubli about that.
+ Patches in HelpContents in by Kelemen

* UX Update (Heiko)
  + Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
   254(254) (topicUI) bugs open, 487(487) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
   + Updates:
   BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
added  2(0) 10(-4)41(-11)506(-11)
commented 75(53)   285(36)   915(-10)   3699(30) 
  removed  1(1)  1(1) 13(0)   34(1)  
 resolved 13(12)32(6)104(1)  156(12) 
   + top 10 contributors:
 Tietze, Heiko made 123 changes in 1 month, and 1923 changes in 1 year
 Foote, V Stuart made 64 changes in 1 month, and 656 changes in 1 year
 Cor Nouws made 31 changes in 1 month, and 442 changes in 1 year
 Buovjaga made 30 changes in 1 month, and 363 changes in 1 year
 Philips, Yousuf made 23 changes in 1 month, and 1648 changes in 1 year
 tommy27 made 22 changes in 1 month, and 82 changes in 1 year
 Mehrbrodt, Samuel made 20 changes in 1 month, and 249 changes in 1 year
 Faulí Tarazona, Xisco made 14 changes in 1 month, and 193 changes in 1 
year
 Zolnai, Tamás made 13 changes in 1 month, and 15 changes in 1 year
 Kelemen, Gabor made 13 changes in 1 month, and 13 changes in 1 year
  + trying to match the good work done by QA wrt. open issues.
  + Color palettes blog post has been published
+ 
https://design.blog.documentfoundation.org/2016/12/30/new-color-palettes-in-libreoffice/1
+ ~2000 hits and 11 comments so far
  + Blog post draft about DIY Notebookbar
+ 
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-BDSr-FfOjwNEFwdgdx75OYja8aAueMcio099DjnLF0

* Crashtest update (Caolan)
+ 0 import failure, 1 export failures
+ looking good.
+ 6 coverity issues.
+ all move assignments – not interesting.
+ Google / ossfuzz
+ two fuzzers working there: metafile + jpeg over Xmas
+ finding some interesting old issues; very happy with fuzzing
+ adding other file formats as time goes on.
+ 90 days after discovered if not fixed, 7 days after ‘fixed’
 + where ‘fixed’ is a commit.
 + not going to hand control to open/close bugs to us.
+ either live with 7 days – or have fixes in release branches.
 + are other projects as interested (Stephan)
 + apparently they don’t mind.
+ they auto-pull from our git tree.
+ could get them to analyze a particular branch
 + Feed them a master tag updated every 90 days ? (Michael)
 + may find after 90 days fix is not complete (Caolan)
+ https://github.com/google/oss-fuzz/issues/244
 => keep reaching out to improve Google disclosure process (Caolan)
 + can we push a patch to gerrit with note of date when to push ? (Markus)
 + shared sec. list is on CC for bugs coming through.

* Easy IDE integration bits (JanI)
+ Version 0.2 distributed and many comments received.
+ Mmeeks proposal is in v.0.3.
+ many negative comments (not possible, to much maintenance etc),