Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Request hold 3.6.3 final release for fdo#53474 - Windows Accessibility
2012/10/26 V Stuart Foote vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu Micahel, Michael Meeks-2 wrote I reviewed merged it to -3-6, it was reasonably trivial - had it been proposed in good time for -3-6-3 we could have got another couple of reviews, so that's sad - we were busy this minor release cycle. Actually, simply posting a mail with [REVIEW-3-6-3] a11y fix - with a link to the patch and a plea for a couple of reviews might have done it for you. I'll keep the [REVIEW-3-6-3] a11y fix flag handy for the next round. But, I'm not sure David and Stephan would consider it trivial given the way the Java and UNO accessibility source was structured. Moving ahead, what would -really- help would be to have more testing bug reports against master - which (generally) is in quite a good state vs. 3.6 and should be usable. Indeed, if people really want to be connected to development, and have every one of their -regression- bugs taken really seriously, talked through in the ESC calls etc. they need to be filing them vs. master/3.7 - where the bugs are most easy to find and fix. In fact, I have not yet tested this patch against a 3-7 build of master. Problems with the daily TinderBox builds took the better part of two weeks to get the initial commit for this issue tested. I had to ask to have it pushed down on the -3-6 build for testing because there has not been a viable Windows build of master complete in close to a month, Tinderbox 16 does not count as it is a minimal build. Seems that if we are going to solicit more testing and bug reporting against the Windows builds of master the MSVC and MinGW TinderBoxes need to be more closely monitored and assistance rendered to assure viable testing can occur. Stuart Either way, this have to be addressed ASAP. I need the 3.6 series for accessibility tests with Freedom Scientific JAWS and others. The testing is related to usage scenarios for members of the Norwegian Association of the Blind and Partially Sighted, so it's important. -- Olav Dahlum PGP key ID: 0xA6BD1795 ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Reporting Ignorant User on FDO?
2012/9/12 Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com IMO we need to add a section to how to file a bug report that is labeled what is not helpful or useful in there I could put 1. Ranting about LibreOffice being slow to fix something 2. Comparing us to Microsoft Office for no reason 3. Being a total asshole (please excuse my language, I'd make it more professional on the wiki) Then if we see these kinds of people we can just refer them to this section in the wiki and I can avoid going to sleep angry ;) Joel P.S. I see that him being an ass has made his bug move forward faster, personally I think that gives mixed signals as to if he should just continue making FDO his rant forum. On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 4:55 AM, Michael Meeks michael.me...@suse.comwrote: Hi Joel, On Tue, 2012-09-11 at 22:31 -0700, Joel Madero wrote: Is there a way to report users on FDO. This is in regards to the comment made here by user Urmas https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=40025 Not that I know of; sounds like we need one though :-) I tend to not care much but this particular user pissed me off ... there is a procedure and I'll deal with it. Of course; fighting an ongoing war against crude and abusive filers and their inevitable sock-puppets is going to be quite difficult IMHO. So - I'd prefer to apply social pressure, angry people often storm off on their own with a bit of that ;-) let me prod him again. We should prolly fix the bug at some stage as well ;-) ATB, Michael. -- michael.me...@suse.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/ I find the profanity in the bug report above quite amusing. Directness are one thing, acting nasty another. However, it's pretty much the same all over the place, and answering it with politeness can be effective. But some people are completely immune to reasoning, so in extreme cases only shutting them down work. More testing, predictability, and fixing bugs are required in order to minimize the ranting. Remember that users seldom think the changes we like are very interesting, as they really just want stability and to continue their work. -- Olav Dahlum PGP key ID: 0xA6BD1795 ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Insulting comments in bug reports: what should we do?
2012/7/18 Alexander Thurgood alex.thurg...@gmail.com Hi Roman, Le 18/07/12 18:42, Roman Eisele a écrit : This is a good consideration, too, and implies that the best thing to do may be just to ignore insulting comments completely and to continue with the real work. Maybe this is the best way to proceed for now, but I am not sure; I still worry about what the original bug reporters will think about LibreOffice if the 1st answer they get is insulting ... I suppose one way of countering that risk is to add a comment to the same bug report that comes across as more helpful, whilst disagreeing with the unpleasant or unwarranted comment. That way, the initial poster will see that there is in fact a positive-minded community behind the project (even if we can't help out, ultimately), and the unpleasant/unwarranted commenter will stand corrected - beware of feeding the troll though ;-) Alex Indeed, we can zero out the offending comments this way. There is clearly an imminent need for behavioural improvements in this individual case, so let's monitor any comments and reports from this person from now. I did actually read posts where he gave positive feedback, so I wouldn't chuck him out at his point. -- Olav Dahlum PGP key ID: 0xA6BD1795 ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] RC3 released as Final version???
On 15/02/12 18:29, Florian Reisinger wrote: A second try, after sending this message just to Rainer - sorry for that Am 15.02.2012 18:28, schrieb Florian Reisinger: Am 15.02.2012 18:10, schrieb Rainer Bielefeld: Petr Mladek schrieb: What about having the following for the beta builds: LibreOffice 3.5.0beta1 BuildID: iwohm-noinaog-nzorioinoih-mfowiom and the following for rc builds: LibreOffice 3.5.0.x BuildID: iwohm-noinaog-nzorioinoih-mfowiom Hi, for me that solution would be fine. I really do have the same opinion as Rainer... ATB Rainer I vouch for this approach for now, however, let's make sure the file names etc reflect the state of the software. Freeing up the build system(s) for a final release should be the goal. – Olav ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] RC3 released as Final version???
On 14/02/12 22:35, Cor Nouws wrote: Pedro wrote (14-02-12 22:33) is released and the About box says LibreOffice 3.5.0rc3 IIRC, this is as usual: after the final RC no new builds are made, so no strings are updated :-) This should be fixed ASAP from a marketing point of view. It's all about expectations, so renaming the tarball etc is just not good enough. Leif did also receive a similar complaint earlier, so this should be taken very seriously. This is not the first time I've addressed the dangers of such practices. – Olav ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] RC3 released as Final version???
2012/2/14 Pedro pedl...@gmail.com Olav Dahlum wrote This should be fixed ASAP from a marketing point of view. It's all about expectations, so renaming the tarball etc is just not good enough. Leif did also receive a similar complaint earlier, so this should be taken very seriously. This is not the first time I've addressed the dangers of such practices. Thanks you, Olav. I was starting to think I was the only mad person here. Apparently even Cor finds this normal. Cor, please show me ONE program that does this and I will agree with you. This is completely absurd for me... Keep in mind that most of us have done little marketing, so there's holes to fill in here. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Minutes - QA related - TSC call 2011-12-05
On 15/12/11 17:03, Rainer Bielefeld wrote: Hi, you can find a summery from my point of view concerning QA related discussion of the Engineering Steering Committee on http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/RBd/TSC_Call_Minutes Best regards Rainer Will the Bugzilla Assistant allow reporting without a BugZilla account and actually be available from inside LibreOffice itself? This is crucial for getting more people to report back. The current implementation might make the standard BugZilla interface a bit more friendly, but it's still a far cry from a fully automated and integrated service. Registering for yet an account puts even me off, but that's another story and one about OpenID... – Olav ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
