Re: [Libreoffice-qa] preparing QA talk for FOSDEM
Hi Nino, Nino Novak wrote (29-01-12 14:11) I'm just a simple user, so maybe my view is a bit naive. But my general concern/intention is to help improving LibO quality. Ah great - our whole community exists of simple users and simple developers. SO you are perfectly at the right place here :-) -- - Cor - http://nl.libreoffice.org ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] preparing QA talk for FOSDEM
Hi Nino, Thanks for the thoughts about quality. For those who use Libreoffice quite frequently, practical general usage of software is pretty valuable to find issues thus improve quality, even not that surprisingly, it some time reveals bugs we never found in testing lab :) I believe the regression testing we are doing quite fits what you care about. http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Testing/Regression_Tests Especially for the mentioned Litmus. It is also a nice place to start to take part in monitoring bug-free usage: - Improve cases to share your opinion of daily usage, by improving existing tests, adding new cases or translating the cases to your own native language version. - Run test cases for each release in beta and rc place, mark it as pass/fail, accordingly report bugs. - And I believe some of the high priority test cases could be proper reference when you want to try daily/master build before any announcement. Do not hesitate to let us know when you have troubles to handle anything. Thank you! Best wishes, Yifan On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 03:09:03PM +0100, Nino Novak wrote: Am Freitag, 27. Januar 2012, 00:05:48 schrieb Cor Nouws: Ideas, things to add? Personally I have the impression / concern that Quality is getting one of the main challenges of LibreOffice as it seems to decrease more and more - and software acceptance to a good deal depends on quality (especially in corporate environments). So anything that /really/ raises quality is good ;-) My own ideas go into the direction of monitoring bug-free usage, e.g. by logging main user actions (module used, opening/closing files, menu path, toolbar icon klicks and so on) into a simple text file. But I really don't know if this is a good subject to talk about at FOSDEM. Nino ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/ ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] preparing QA talk for FOSDEM
Am Samstag, 28. Januar 2012, 14:14:15 schrieb Luc Castermans: Op 27-01-12 16:17, Cor Nouws schreef: Hi Nino, Nino Novak wrote (27-01-12 15:09) Personally I have the impression / concern that Quality is getting one of the main challenges of LibreOffice as it seems to decrease more and more I disagree with you. And it's not an answer to my serious question. Sorry about that. Seems you guys talk opinion wise. Could we have some facts ? No hard facts from my side, only feelings, impressions, concerns. I'm using LibO myself and watching mailing lists, so my feelings are simply based on what I experience and what I read in the lists. However, my wish to monitor bug-free usage comes exactly out of the desire to collect some (hard) facts. Nino ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] preparing QA talk for FOSDEM
Hi Cor, This is a great news, thanks for sharing :) As far as I concern, Regression is our routine testing for each release, which is pretty important to make sure the legacy important functions of Libreoffice does not regress in a new release. http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Testing/Regression_Tests For full regression test, would you like to give a view to Litmus as well? http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Litmus And currently we encourage people to: 1. Run tests http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Litmus/Litmus_User_Guide#Run_Tests 2. Update regression test cases - Add new test cases http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Litmus/Litmus_User_Guide#Populate_New_Test_Cases - Translate exisiting test cases into different version Best wishes, Yifan On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 12:05:48AM +0100, Cor Nouws wrote: Hi, Saturday at FOSDEM I'll give a talk on QA. LibreOffice QA: as handy and joyful as possible Michael Meeks was so friendly to provide some text, while I was with my attention with different work: Come and hear how the LibreOffice QA team works, get hands on experience with bugzilla, find out where our daily snapshots are, and how to use them, and chat with fellow QA guys. See some feedback on the progress of bug tracking and some pretty graphs. Below I'll sketch the items I would like to show. I'll also check our QA wiki for important items. Is there anything that I miss, please let me know. Also: are there other QA-ers that are at FOSDEM and would like to join the talk :-) I think to target for those that are not afraid to use a BugZilla, but will greatly enjoy tips for working handy. so: - daily snapshots installation - show the page http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport_Details - most important do's and don'ts in BugZilla - learn how to use tag's / save use queries - learn how to find/search dups - bundling issues - ... - contact Ideas, things to add? Thanks, ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] preparing QA talk for FOSDEM
Op 27-01-12 16:17, Cor Nouws schreef: Hi Nino, Nino Novak wrote (27-01-12 15:09) Personally I have the impression / concern that Quality is getting one of the main challenges of LibreOffice as it seems to decrease more and more I disagree with you. And it's not an answer to my serious question. Sorry about that. Seems you guys talk opinion wise. Could we have some facts ? Luc attachment: luc_castermans.vcf___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] preparing QA talk for FOSDEM
Am Freitag, 27. Januar 2012, 00:05:48 schrieb Cor Nouws: Ideas, things to add? Personally I have the impression / concern that Quality is getting one of the main challenges of LibreOffice as it seems to decrease more and more - and software acceptance to a good deal depends on quality (especially in corporate environments). So anything that /really/ raises quality is good ;-) My own ideas go into the direction of monitoring bug-free usage, e.g. by logging main user actions (module used, opening/closing files, menu path, toolbar icon klicks and so on) into a simple text file. But I really don't know if this is a good subject to talk about at FOSDEM. Nino ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
