Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Blitz on Base bugs
Hi Alex, Le 19/01/2016 15:54, Alexander Thurgood a écrit : > Le 19/01/2016 14:01, Jochen Schiffers a écrit : > > Hi Jochen, > >> It is IHMO correct (all 6 months) to check if bugreports are actual. >> The problem is that only one (and occasionally two) devs actually is/are >> working on the code. But this not the problem of QA. > > I never said it was the problem of QA that only 2 devs work on the Base > code. My issue is with what appears to have been targeting a module for > which the number of open bugs will necessarily not have diminished a > great deal since the inception of the project precisely because not many > people work on Base, and consequently receiving 200 or so emails in the > process, when it is pretty obvious to anyone that knows the Base module > and reports bugs in Base that most of these issues are extremely > unlikely to be fixed in any sort of reasonable timeframe, or have been > fixed, due to the very lack of developers working on that module. > > I've always had a problem with bulk email bug reminders, and this has > definitely pushed my patience over my limit - for me, it only makes > sense if one understands the context behind the number of bugs reported > and tailors the reminder policy accordingly. I accept that we may not > have the resources or desire to do that, but regretfully, this policy > has pushed me to announce my immediate withdrawal from any further QA > work, certainly at least for the time being. So sad to hear that, Alex, the work you are doing on Mac, Base and all around is really tremendous, your withdrawal is a very very sad news for me and all the people who know you and appreciate to work with you since so long, I owe you so much. Please, take some time to breathe and come back. I'll put the issue on the agenda of the next QA meeting. I've been also flooded by BZ mails between Jan's work and the admin work, it's really difficult then to check if you're requested to act or not other than going through each of them, a big waste of time... There should be a way to get the admin work done without discouraging our volunteers. Cheers Sophie -- Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org GSM: +33683901545 IRC: sophi Co-founder - Release coordinator The Document Foundation ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Blitz on Base bugs
Hi Alex, > I've always had a problem with bulk email bug reminders, and this has > definitely pushed my patience over my limit - for me, it only makes > sense if one understands the context behind the number of bugs reported > and tailors the reminder policy accordingly. I accept that we may not > have the resources or desire to do that, but regretfully, this policy > has pushed me to announce my immediate withdrawal from any further QA > work, certainly at least for the time being. Turning off email notifications is relatively easy in bugzilla, as is creating a filter in email to filter results to a specific folder where they can either be purged after some period of time or handled when you have time to look at them. Just my two cents. It's unfortunate to see you go (at least temporarily) but I accept the decision of course. Thanks for the hard work and contributions :) Best, Joel ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] Blitz on Base bugs
Morning all, So, I see that for some reason which is yet unclear to me, there is currently a blitz on Base bugs from the QA reminder bot. Quite why, I must confess to not understanding. What is the rationale that predicts why it should be likely that any of these bugs have been fixed or have gone away over the various versions ? Especially those of regular Base bug reporters, I see the reminders even target the bugs that the Base dev "guardian of the code" has opened ? I get that it is indiscriminate, but where is the advantage ? When there is (are) only one (and occasionally two) devs actually working on the code, why should the bugs have disappeared all of a sudden (or over time) ? As the overwhelming majority of anwsers in response to those reminders have shown, the bugs are still present. This is hardly surprising given that there are too few developers around to be able to work on them. Alex ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Blitz on Base bugs
Hi Alex, my two cents. It is IHMO correct (all 6 months) to check if bugreports are actual. The problem is that only one (and occasionally two) devs actually is/are working on the code. But this not the problem of QA. Why are you confess? The procedure of QA is another problem than the absence of dev. Reg Jochen Am 19.01.2016 um 13:39 schrieb Alexander Thurgood: Morning all, So, I see that for some reason which is yet unclear to me, there is currently a blitz on Base bugs from the QA reminder bot. Quite why, I must confess to not understanding. What is the rationale that predicts why it should be likely that any of these bugs have been fixed or have gone away over the various versions ? Especially those of regular Base bug reporters, I see the reminders even target the bugs that the Base dev "guardian of the code" has opened ? I get that it is indiscriminate, but where is the advantage ? When there is (are) only one (and occasionally two) devs actually working on the code, why should the bugs have disappeared all of a sudden (or over time) ? As the overwhelming majority of anwsers in response to those reminders have shown, the bugs are still present. This is hardly surprising given that there are too few developers around to be able to work on them. Alex ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/ ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Blitz on Base bugs
Hi Alex, I understand you und I agree with you in nearly all points. Am 19.01.2016 um 15:54 schrieb Alexander Thurgood: I've always had a problem with bulk email bug reminders + ... receiving 200 or so emails in the process IMO we have to accept this. The solution may be a special way für base-bugreports. Reg Jochen ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Blitz on Base bugs
Le 19/01/2016 14:01, Jochen Schiffers a écrit : Hi Jochen, > It is IHMO correct (all 6 months) to check if bugreports are actual. > The problem is that only one (and occasionally two) devs actually is/are > working on the code. But this not the problem of QA. I never said it was the problem of QA that only 2 devs work on the Base code. My issue is with what appears to have been targeting a module for which the number of open bugs will necessarily not have diminished a great deal since the inception of the project precisely because not many people work on Base, and consequently receiving 200 or so emails in the process, when it is pretty obvious to anyone that knows the Base module and reports bugs in Base that most of these issues are extremely unlikely to be fixed in any sort of reasonable timeframe, or have been fixed, due to the very lack of developers working on that module. I've always had a problem with bulk email bug reminders, and this has definitely pushed my patience over my limit - for me, it only makes sense if one understands the context behind the number of bugs reported and tailors the reminder policy accordingly. I accept that we may not have the resources or desire to do that, but regretfully, this policy has pushed me to announce my immediate withdrawal from any further QA work, certainly at least for the time being. Alex ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Blitz on Base bugs
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hy Alex, > > I never said it was the problem of QA that only 2 devs work on the > Base code. My issue is with what appears to have been targeting a > module for which the number of open bugs will necessarily not have > diminished a great deal since the inception of the project > precisely because not many people work on Base, and consequently > receiving 200 or so emails in the process, when it is pretty > obvious to anyone that knows the Base module and reports bugs in > Base that most of these issues are extremely unlikely to be fixed > in any sort of reasonable timeframe, or have been fixed, due to the > very lack of developers working on that module. You have set yourself in cc for many Base-bugs. So you got over 200 mails. I have got about 90 - many bugs I have reported myself. Much too much to react in a short time. Don'z know if there is anybody who thinks: "Bus will have been gone without recognizing why and nobody has noticed it". I will answer to this "spam" in the next 4 weeks - day by day a little bit. Regards Robert -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJWnl/uAAoJELDKYwaoS9AIWVIQAIVBxnx6PgGU0JnYiwg4Xjff roBxcwI5b72HMokIJ/N2rN5Diz/IMXzzsATMVu/hgqG1cL/cMFuAvoiJwbHGkmxa 8Qven6cNqnXQbLwcLrm5qiV/a5N2mmmWSVsXaWjGts+AnnaDsZZ4N36xT6X3jGYs rmE3MKUaoXvwG6Bty7feRAZ4EOV/qtOp9GsmEpQjK8+jE4NRcKILDWoCeC5OrE8w +iYi3zoOhW2hCUGZ1tS6A/MggJMtMolkJMHAbL3bDVOhea82EuQkpDvW2GqzXXBl AztCmUwq8bKKqiL61AqgM1IlCa20kScfddYX5rNh6pjCaOOPhctiDhM+5mqG5irQ 1WZJVtRaE5Y03Ho6jKMR/bKb5B1cBxoP7Bnbxoobito22/ov02iASZQzyKWa/wij 5NXB7o4VfFDNJqUJfOkkWr+4LnKHNjHhdltQeAF1+7947BEyF6z5WKVzOap54eij 7PvXfVo5KXLYE3EArjH8+gZpOIUyFq07creE31CuMcXKRSnY80HPefLDOPtMt9zk mXmmv598i3VP18bb9wN6uBNI2HQG5+GBP4TTPE5MykG18/RiEuavN8g3WIoV7ZEQ vpeABtYqjgMSVAbZnicNJ+ieZ3WR5fobsUutaZ22S92IW93LrOPwH4QJA+01tiXj QYki0Rdt5ki+bi6SHJ0S =qoV1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
