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This was a single report for Personal turned Community issue.
Just to have all here, although thing is done, I add links.
Press release:
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(In reply to Timur from comment #73)
> It's rather offensive to tell folks who helped LO with their BZ contribution
> that what they've written so far is already ignored, that they need to
>
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--- Comment #73 from Timur ---
New version of "strategic marketing plan" (modification date is 28.10.2020.) is
at https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/qPMWRFsxwQ6QFpK. Current
situation seems to be unchanged in the nutshell. Slide
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--- Comment #72 from Telesto ---
(In reply to Timur from comment #68)
> Looking forward to the discussion on the global marketing list (for
> those not subscribed, the address is market...@global.libreoffice.org).
To subscribe, e-mail
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so please avoid to add further ones as this is not the place to contribute to
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--- Comment #69 from Timur ---
I can only repeat - since backlash seems not to be clear enough:
do not proceed with destructive idea to change title bar and start center, nor
to add "personal" anywhere.
Community in About is acceptable
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--- Comment #68 from Timur ---
Italo wrote:
Yesterday we have had the monthly marketing call focused on the action
items related to the strategic marketing plan (full document is here):
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--- Comment #67 from Michael Meeks ---
> Are there some results from the discussion
Not that I know of - there is a large stew of conflicting advice at significant
length in public on board-discuss.
> cause I didn't read something
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--- Comment #66 from andreas_k ---
(In reply to Michael Weghorn from comment #65)
> (In reply to Michael Weghorn from comment #64)
> > see
> > https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2020/07/20/update-on-marketing-and-
> >
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--- Comment #65 from Michael Weghorn ---
(In reply to Michael Weghorn from comment #64)
> see
> https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2020/07/20/update-on-marketing-and-
> communication-plans-for-the-libreoffice-7-x-series/ for
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--- Comment #64 from Michael Weghorn ---
see
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for current status; quote from there:
> As such, the 7.0
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--- Comment #61 from Timur ---
Blog said "The last change for all strings and tags would be possible the
latest by Monday, July 20".
But I see no news and so worry that current regression will remain, albeit with
no support and approval
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--- Comment #60 from Martin Srebotnjak ---
Hello,
I am trying to look into future, so can someone please explain to me how this
will work (let's say there are the "community" (or whatever it might be called)
and a vendor version
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--- Comment #59 from chris...@labs.epiuse.com ---
1. SOFTWARE FREEDOM should be the focus of TDF's branding given the
foundation's mission stated in #comment 23.
2. Is this marketing plan INVALIDATING THE STATUTES of TDF or hiding a
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Michael Meeks:
> For myself I find bugs an extremely poor way of conversing, no threads, hard
> to quote & interact with other people's arguments. Please can I encourage
> people as Gerry kindly
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--- Comment #57 from Timur ---
There are multiple channels of discussion, this bug, mailing list and continues
on blog.
I add some comments from the blog
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(In reply to Timur from comment #55)
> ...
> I add some comments from the blog
@Timur, frankly, TLDR; and while I've no objection to reposting similar, you
needed to trim/edit the commentary--or
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There are multiple channels of discussion, this bug, mailing list and continues
on blog.
I add some comments from the blog
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--- Comment #52 from Frank Fuchs ---
As we were all encouraged by Lothar Becker to give our feedback on the mailing
list or in this bugzilla entry, here's mine:
* The rapid further development of LibreOffice - same as in the past years -
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--- Comment #51 from oia...@gmail.com ---
(In reply to Michael Meeks from comment #48)
> (In reply to Oiaohm from comment #47)
> > We don't need to cause this Visual Studio problem with Libreoffice.
> > The base version need to be
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--- Comment #50 from Óvári ---
lemc wrote "In this context, I also concur with the opinion that a special
naming should be reserved to the commercial edition, while the regular one
would remain known simply as LibreOffice."
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lemc wrote "In this context, I also concur with the opinion that a special
naming should be reserved to the commercial edition, while the regular one
would remain known simply as LibreOffice."
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--- Comment #48 from Michael Meeks ---
(In reply to Oiaohm from comment #47)
> We don't need to cause this Visual Studio problem with Libreoffice.
> The base version need to be install-able by all.
That is the current state, and the
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--- Comment #47 from oia...@gmail.com ---
(In reply to Emir Sarı from comment #38)
> Visual Studio is a nice example. Free for single developers, paid for
> enterprise. Everyone is happy.
This is a fools mistake every one is not happy
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Start Center Sidebar proposal with CIB Brand
Instead of LibreOffice the enterprise partners can add
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Start Center Sidebar proposal green Community Edition
I prefer the Fun Project, Fantastic People which
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Start Center Sidebar proposal green Fun Project, Fantastic People
Without Community or any other
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--- Comment #43 from Telesto ---
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #40)
> Created attachment 162845 [details]
> CE label in start center
>
> Assuming we use "Community Edition" (see latest message on BoD ML and to
> members) the
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--- Comment #42 from pierre-yves samyn ---
Hi
+1 with Regina Henschel comment #12 & Mike Kaganski comment #13
My choice would be:
Community Edition: Intended for individuals and organizations that do not need
professional support...
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CE label in start center
Assuming we use "Community Edition" (see latest message on BoD ML and to
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--- Comment #39 from ais...@gmail.com ---
Hi,
I think you should just keep LibreOffice for everyone and add "pro,
organisation... (what ever your marketing strategy wants) " for other...
"Personal or Community Editions" will decrease
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--- Comment #38 from Emir Sarı ---
I fully support getting more development resources for TDF, but IMO, lack of a
second "edition" is a marketing blocker for this from the start.
1. Community Edition
2. Enterprise Edition -> a listing
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--- Comment #37 from Telesto ---
(In reply to Timur from comment #36)
> Much was said by TDF members and users and I think that consensus was
> reached.
> Shall this disastrous, LO anniversary ruining move be reverted?
That's the easy
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--- Comment #36 from Timur ---
Much was said by TDF members and users and I think that consensus was reached.
Shall this disastrous, LO anniversary ruining move be reverted?
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Board Discuss active threads over premature 'Personal edition' Tag -- which
one?
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--- Comment #34 from Michael Meeks ---
For myself I find bugs an extremely poor way of conversing, no threads, hard to
quote & interact with other people's arguments. Please can I encourage people
as Gerry kindly pointed out to join the
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--- Comment #32 from Heiko Tietze ---
(In reply to RGB from comment #31)
> Suggestion: simply call it "The Document Foundation Edition." The tag could
> be something like the following:
>
> "The Document Foundation Edition is supported
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--- Comment #31 from RGB ---
Suggestion: simply call it "The Document Foundation Edition." The tag could be
something like the following:
"The Document Foundation Edition is supported by volunteers. If you need
professional support,
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--- Comment #30 from Julian Stirling ---
Enterprise customers should be encouraged to pay for support, but this
statement interferes with the fundamental freedoms of open source (even if only
by implication rather than by license). There
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--- Comment #27 from steve -_- ---
Besides the legal aspects, adding my cents that the text "Personal Edition" in
its current form looks hilarious and alien in 7RC1 Start Center.
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--- Comment #25 from Gerry ---
Solution as essence of several previous comments:
"This software is developed by a team of volunteers and is supported by the
community."
We could add:
"LibreOffice is Free Software and is made available
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--- Comment #24 from stragu ---
I agree with a lot of people here. My university offers both Microsoft Office
and LibreOffice, to give a choice between the widespread proprietary suite, and
the FLOSS alternative that offers a lot of
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--- Comment #23 from Alexander Werner ---
Cleary, The Document Foundation must release a version that is open to all
intended audiences. As clearly stated in the statues, the intended audience is:
everyone, explicitly including COMPANIES
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--- Comment #22 from Telesto ---
There is only one edition from TDF point of view. Which can be used by
everyone. So every ‘edition’ misplaced, IMHO
The eco-system partners deliver
+ Service/support
+ A orked versions of TDF versions
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--- Comment #21 from johnks ---
my two cents.
"This software is developed by a team of volunteers and us supported by the
community."
an "edition" means there are versions of the software when there are not. The
download provided by
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--- Comment #20 from k...@mailbox.org ---
Hi,
I've donated hundreds on dollars to TDF the past several years. If this change
is published I will stop promoting Libreoffice.
Roman is right and Tietze you are letting hubris affect the
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--- Comment #19 from V Stuart Foote ---
(In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #18)
> "supported by individuals and intended for individual use" really is
s/by individuals/by volunteers/
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--- Comment #18 from V Stuart Foote ---
Rather than comment on https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/c/core/+/97427
I've no real heartburn between "Personal" or "Community" edition, but the
"supported by individuals and intended for individual
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Maybe the time has come for a community fork?
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--- Comment #16 from Johnny_M ---
I agree. "Community Edition" would have been better, if any distinction is
desired. And I also think that the "intended for individual/personal" use is
misleading.
This is only about the lack of
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--- Comment #14 from Telesto ---
Only a few attempts to come up with some something else.. what we don't want is
already pretty clear, IMHO
The Community edition is supported by volunteers and intended for private use.
The Community
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"Intended for individuals and organizations that do not need professional
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--- Comment #11 from Telesto ---
Please include
https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/jzryGw7XDkJadmo#pdfviewer
(especially page 25-38)
in the discussion..
I'm personally not fully against 'branding'. Eco-system partners
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--- Comment #10 from Pedro ---
(In reply to Gerry from comment #8)
> The change in the About dialog of LibreOffice 7.0 will have substantial
> negative side effects. Particularly the two terms "personal edition" and
> "intended for
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--- Comment #9 from Telesto ---
(In reply to Gerry from comment #8)
> If the string is required
> "The Personal edition is supported by volunteers and intended for individual
> use."
Only out of curiosity: there is also an objection
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--- Comment #7 from Heiko Tietze ---
Just forwarding...
(In reply to Óvári from bug 108865 comment #25)
> The current solution is a bad compromise.
>
> "The Personal edition is supported by volunteers and intended for individual
>
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--- Comment #5 from Telesto ---
The About Window states: "The Personal edition is supported by volunteers and
intended for individual use". Shouldn't this be "for private use".
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--- Comment #4 from Telesto ---
http://document-foundation-mail-archive.969070.n3.nabble.com/UPDATED-Draft-Marketing-Plan-2020-2025-td4281663.html
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--- Comment #3 from Marcos Marado ---
There is some public information about this on the patch introducing it:
https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/c/core/+/97427
In particular, information that:
> Italo: 'Description should be: "The
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--- Comment #2 from Marcos Marado ---
Hi, Xisco, I have been going through the Marketing mailing list archive, and
saw no reference to this.
Could you be so kind to point to a more direct link?
Thank you.
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