Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] including Ubuntu fonts in Windows/OSX installers

2013-01-25 Thread Michael Meeks
Hi guys, On Thu, 2013-01-24 at 19:56 -0600, Norbert Thiebaud wrote: Note: I will abide by whatever decision is reached The ESC discussed this precise issue in the past; and made a decision not to include the Ubuntu font, and because of that, this is the status quo today. No doubt

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] including Ubuntu fonts in Windows/OSX installers

2013-01-24 Thread Stefan Knorr (Astron)
Hi Tor, On 24 January 2013 10:27, Tor Lillqvist t...@iki.fi wrote: If the Ubuntu typeface is so unique as they say (i.e. instantly recognisable) (or even worse, subconsciously recognised), wouldn't using it in templates then be an endorsement of Ubuntu? Isn't LibreOffice supposed to be

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] including Ubuntu fonts in Windows/OSX installers

2013-01-24 Thread Rene Engelhard
Hi, On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 11:13:43AM +0100, Stefan Knorr (Astron) wrote: On 24 January 2013 10:27, Tor Lillqvist t...@iki.fi wrote: with LibreOffice on Windows and OSX? That would make them available for use in default templates etc. And why should that be needed? Personally, I'd

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] including Ubuntu fonts in Windows/OSX installers

2013-01-24 Thread Adolfo Jayme Barrientos
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 4:57 AM, Rene Engelhard r...@debian.org wrote: I don't. Distro specific font... They can ship it if they want. What does it mean “distro-specific”? Yeah, For that reason it's /supposed to be in) non-free in Debian, see

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] including Ubuntu fonts in Windows/OSX installers

2013-01-24 Thread Adolfo Jayme Barrientos
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 11:07 AM, Stefan Knorr (Astron) heinzless...@gmail.com wrote: Can you clarify why you think these fonts are not free? Afaik, they are under the fairly standard, free AL2, or OFL, respectively. The Ubuntu font otoh uses its own license that unfortunately adds

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] including Ubuntu fonts in Windows/OSX installers

2013-01-24 Thread Rene Engelhard
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 10:56:29AM -0600, Adolfo Jayme Barrientos wrote: On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 4:57 AM, Rene Engelhard r...@debian.org wrote: I don't. Distro specific font... They can ship it if they want. What does it mean “distro-specific”? Ubuntu fonts. If it wasn't distro-specific it

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] including Ubuntu fonts in Windows/OSX installers

2013-01-24 Thread Rene Engelhard
Hi, On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 09:15:22PM +0100, Rene Engelhard wrote: We shouldn't include non-free stuff here. Yeah, it’s considered “non-free” by Debian, but we can apply the same logic to the other “non-free” fonts added to LibreOffice, such as Open Sans, Source {Code|Sans} Pro and

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] including Ubuntu fonts in Windows/OSX installers

2013-01-24 Thread Michael Stahl
On 24/01/13 21:15, Rene Engelhard wrote: On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 10:56:29AM -0600, Adolfo Jayme Barrientos wrote: On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 4:57 AM, Rene Engelhard r...@debian.org wrote: Yeah, For that reason it's /supposed to be in) non-free in Debian, see

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] including Ubuntu fonts in Windows/OSX installers

2013-01-24 Thread Rene Engelhard
Hi, On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 09:15:22PM +0100, Rene Engelhard wrote: these from shipping in LibreOffice, Debian packaging should be the place where these fonts are removed. Because its *Debian policy* which And sorry, that is wrong. the DFSG is (mostly) deintical with the Open Source

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] including Ubuntu fonts in Windows/OSX installers

2013-01-24 Thread Rene Engelhard
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 10:56:29AM -0600, Adolfo Jayme Barrientos wrote: logic to the other “non-free” fonts added to LibreOffice, such as Open Sans, Source {Code|Sans} Pro and PT Serif. But instead of removing This shows that you don't know what you're talking about, too: - I assume with PT

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] including Ubuntu fonts in Windows/OSX installers

2013-01-24 Thread Adolfo Jayme Barrientos
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 2:24 PM, Rene Engelhard r...@debian.org wrote: Becaudse *you* don't care about what Open Source is doesn't mean that all the people who care should do stuff to clean it up. Hello, Rene Engelhard. It is the first time you and I talk to each other, and we had never met

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] including Ubuntu fonts in Windows/OSX installers

2013-01-24 Thread Adolfo Jayme Barrientos
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 5:41 PM, Norbert Thiebaud nthieb...@gmail.com wrote: If the name was so inconsequential, why did the author choose a license that forbid _changing_ the name ? It is one thing to get distros to cooperate together one large project like libreoffice, it is quite another

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] including Ubuntu fonts in Windows/OSX installers

2013-01-24 Thread Adolfo Jayme Barrientos
If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duck_test Oh well, I will not try to convince you, you seem to believe this is marketing. I’m not the appropriate person to keep arguing, because: 1) I’m a typography

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] including Ubuntu fonts in Windows/OSX installers

2013-01-24 Thread Rene Engelhard
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 04:51:11PM -0600, Adolfo Jayme Barrientos wrote: On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 2:24 PM, Rene Engelhard r...@debian.org wrote: Becaudse *you* don't care about what Open Source is doesn't mean that all the people who care should do stuff to clean it up. Hello, Rene