Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Template manager issues pending

2013-05-19 Thread Cor Nouws

Hi all,

Thanks for the ideas / proposals. Here few additions from me:

Cedric Bosdonnat wrote (13-05-13 09:50)

Hi Mirek, Michel,

On Sat, 2013-05-11 at 10:47 +0200, Mirek M. wrote:


 60589 - [Template manager]: Can not copy styles between different files
 and templates


[...]
Given that I wasn't in favor of the
shift in focus to organizing templates rather than creating new
documents from templates,


For me that also was a rather unexpected move in the process: I did not 
understand before that also the menu File  Template and the sub menus 
with the various functions were to be removed. But that's history.



I'm not the best person to design for the dialog.


Still I find this design from you :)

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Copying_Styles_from_Templates

thanks!

- I've added a description of the situation pre 4.0
Which is useful to consider proposals for the needed new situation

Also I added some ideas for
- the design by Mirek
- the places where this dialog may be used,



 61396 - FILEOPEN: [Template Manager]Possibility to
 edit a template that
 is not in the repository, is lacking



 I saw a comment with the proposal :
 when a user does Open from the File menu and selects a
 template, then LO should open the template ; instead of
 creating a new file from the template.
 It seems to be a coherent behavior : the user selects the
 command open so LO must open. When the user selects new
 from template, then LO must create a new file from a
 template.


Sounds good.


If everyone agrees on that, then it should be pretty quick to fix.


Could work, but would _introduce_ the opposite problem, that a user 
cannot start a new file from a template that is not in the template 
repository...


Currently, I do not see a way out without adding a (visual) option to 
the file open dialog.. (as discussed in another thread).


Alternatively, I did thought of making the Edit button in the new dialog 
having a submenu, where you can choose Edit other template or something.
Little problem there: the Edit button is only active when a template is 
selected..

But maybe there is a solution?


 If you really want to prevent modification of bad file, maybe
 add an dialog asking confirmation : Do you really want to
 open the template 'test.ott' ? or create a new file from this
 template ?


Perhaps an infobar might be better?


Yes, InfoBar is the thing to use here.


That would indeed be needed to prevent unwanted editing of a file. Do 
not forget that a. many people do not get/notice the difference between 
.ott and .odt and b. file managers depending on settings hide extensions 
(but honestly I did not check how it looks on WIndows with that option 
checked for the Explorer.)


But I wrote _would_ be needed. As written further above: I don think 
alas that it is a solution.



 59427 -  [Template Manager] low discoverability of new
 template manager
   - we could use File → Organize templates menu



 I agree


Still on the todo-list, sadly didn't manage to come to it.


What are your ideas?
I find this a nasty problem to solve.
One could think of:
  File  Template  Save (exists in 4.0 in different wording)
  File  Template  Edit/Magage

but then the latter would simply open the new File from template dialog?

Cheers,
Cor



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Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Template manager issues pending

2013-05-19 Thread Cor Nouws

Cor Nouws wrote (20-05-13 01:39)


only managed to add the checkbox option to the gtk+, kde4
and native dialogs, still pending the windows one and mac, but i dont
have access to a mac, so its hard to work on that one.


Joren - also in cc here - does have and does some useful patches now and
then. No idea if he would be able and willing... just posting the hint  ;)


Another idea - by far the simplest, but less elegant -
When a user opens a template, give a popup  ( :D )

  You choose a template
  Do you want a new file from that
  template or edit the template ?
  [[ New document ]]  [  Edit template  ]

New document = default

Ideas?

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Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Template manager issues pending

2013-05-19 Thread Cor Nouws

Joren wrote (20-05-13 02:00)


Willing to help: SURE! Able to help ... mmh, I don't know :-). At least
I can test on Mac if new patches comes out (or if you have a draft patch
I can verify/test it on mac. I'm not sure I can develop something for
mac (without bugging other devs to help me out :) ).

So please tell me where I can be of any help in this project/task.


It's about _adding_ a checkbox to the File  Open dialog.
But Rafael knows more about it.


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Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Template manager issues pending

2013-05-19 Thread Rafael Dominguez
I did the rest of them already, ill push it tomorrow and ill send you a msg
after, so you can test it.


On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 8:01 PM, Cor Nouws oo...@nouenoff.nl wrote:

 Joren wrote (20-05-13 02:00)


  Willing to help: SURE! Able to help ... mmh, I don't know :-). At least
 I can test on Mac if new patches comes out (or if you have a draft patch
 I can verify/test it on mac. I'm not sure I can develop something for
 mac (without bugging other devs to help me out :) ).

 So please tell me where I can be of any help in this project/task.


 It's about _adding_ a checkbox to the File  Open dialog.
 But Rafael knows more about it.



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Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Template manager issues pending

2013-05-19 Thread Cor Nouws

Rafael Dominguez wrote (20-05-13 04:05)

I did the rest of them already, ill push it tomorrow and ill send you a
msg after, so you can test it.


Wow :)  thanks a lot!


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