[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 147837] When merging cells, it is not good that 'Keep the contents of the hidden cell' is the default

2022-04-07 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=147837

--- Comment #9 from JO3EMC  ---
I missed talking.
Not all Microsoft behavior is better in this issue.
There are some bad points, and I think it has advantages and disadvantages
compared to LibreOffice.
The best answer has not been determined.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 147837] When merging cells, it is not good that 'Keep the contents of the hidden cell' is the default

2022-04-07 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=147837

--- Comment #8 from JO3EMC  ---
Dialogs are certainly one approach, and I think it's not a bad way at this
point for picking up all the requests.
However, what is proposed here is the selection of the initial value there.
My opinion is that "Empty the contents of the hidden cells" is better.
Many of the people around me have similar ideas, and so far no one has any
other ideas.
Opinions are also exchanged in the Japanese category of Ask, and it is such a
situation.
https://ask.libreoffice.org/t/topic/74933

Although it deviates a little from the proposal of this issue.

>From the perspective of not breaking existing data or formulas, "Keep the
contents of the hidden cells" is certainly "safer".
But I think that kind of safety is not necessary.
Cell merging changes the appearance and structure of the "visible sheet".
If the structure of the sheet changes, I think it may be natural that the
written content is damaged, in a sense.
Similar things usually happen with other cell operations.

Rather, it is more dangerous that information that is difficult for the user to
know is left in the "invisible place".
It is difficult to follow the behavior of formulas, and also there is the risk
of information leakage.
"Safe" depends on the point of view.
It seems more dangerous to me that it is harder to detect invisible data.
The introduction of the "Hidden Row / Column Indicator" feature in LibreOffice
7.4 may also be from a similar perspective.
I think the Bug 137780 introduced in Comment 5 is standing on this view.

Data loss is usually visible.
We can notice.
If the data is promised not to be hidden, the awareness is even more certain.

Microsoft doesn't always do the right thing, but it can be right.
To me, Microsoft's judgment seems to be better on this issue.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 148357] When deleting a comment in Navigator, it changes position needlessly

2022-04-07 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=148357

--- Comment #7 from Jim Raykowski  ---
(In reply to Eyal Rozenberg from comment #6)
> Are there nightly Qt builds for Linux?
For me, nightly builds are put in /usr/local/bin.  Command line
'SAL_USE_VCLPLUGIN=gen /usr/local/bin/' will use VCL:
x11

In order to test using qt5 backend you will need to install the libreoffice-qt5
package, for kf5 install libreoffice-kf5 package. SAL_USE_VCLPLUGIN=qt5 or
SAL_USE_VCLPLUGIN=kf5 in place of SAL_USE_VCLPLUGIN=gen above. 

> Ok, but... I don't build my own version, I'm just a QA monkey, using
> releases and nightlies.
Patch should be in today's nightly.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 148357] When deleting a comment in Navigator, it changes position needlessly

2022-04-07 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=148357

--- Comment #6 from Eyal Rozenberg  ---
(In reply to Jim Raykowski from comment #5)
> Eyal, I'm guessing you are using gtk3?

Unfortunately, yes:

Version: 7.4.0.0.alpha0+ / LibreOffice Community
Build ID: fb9270b238cba4f36e595c5d7f4d85f6f3f18e1c
CPU threads: 4; OS: Linux 5.10; UI render: default; VCL: gtk3
Locale: en-IL (en_IL); UI: en-US

Are there nightly Qt builds for Linux?

> Here is one way to make the position not scroll after delete:
> https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/c/core/+/132691

Ok, but... I don't build my own version, I'm just a QA monkey, using releases
and nightlies.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 148357] When deleting a comment in Navigator, it changes position needlessly

2022-04-07 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=148357

Jim Raykowski  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

   Assignee|libreoffice-b...@lists.free |rayk...@gmail.com
   |desktop.org |
 Status|NEEDINFO|NEW

--- Comment #5 from Jim Raykowski  ---
I've notice this also. It seems to be vcl backend dependent. Eyal, I'm guessing
you are using gtk3? SAL_USE_VCLPLUGIN gen and qt5/kf5 don't scroll the next
entry to the top after delete like gtk3 although there is also disruptive
movement for them as well.

Here is one way to make the position not scroll after delete:
https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/c/core/+/132691

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 148407] Need ability to cancel an ongoing paste action

2022-04-07 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=148407

--- Comment #5 from Eyal Rozenberg  ---
(In reply to Telesto from comment #4)
> I dislike a UI button, but simply press 'ESC' to kill the paste (simply
> paste keep what's already pasted) 

That is fine with me. 

But - I remember that when we open a docx there someplace where we get a
progress bar. Perhaps if there was a progress bar for pasting (under certain
circumstances, e.g. shown after at least X seconds have passed etc.) then the
text on the scroll bar could also say "(Esc to abort)" or something.


> And this is yet again problematic, because there was no intention to have
> 'link to images' but intended embedded images (when I opt for copy/paste).
> Else you might lose images (link died) and well it makes files slow to open
>
> In general some could argue that a warning dialog would be appropriate
> (infobar?). The file contains linked files to the internet, do you want to
> download

That sounds like a separate bug. Would you like to file it, or shall I?

I have some stuff to say about these points, but I would like to say it on the
separate bug rather than here.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 148357] When deleting a comment in Navigator, it changes position needlessly

2022-04-07 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=148357

--- Comment #4 from Eyal Rozenberg  ---
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #3)
> Nothing happens on right click.

Indeed.

> But if you delete an entry, comment here,
> the tree is rebuilt. What exactly is scrolling in your case?

Like I said: Before deleting, comment 2 was the first one visible (because we
scrolled manually to that position); after deleting, scroll-down happens so
that comment 7 is the first visible.

Just to clarify: I'm referring to numbered comments in the attached document,
not on this bug page.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 148450] How is "Jump to Specific Page" supposed to work in Print Preview?

2022-04-07 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=148450

sdc.bla...@youmail.dk changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Blocks||108804
Summary|How is "Jump to Specific|How is "Jump to Specific
   |Page" supposed to work in   |Page" supposed to work in
   |Print Preview   |Print Preview?
   Keywords||needsUXEval
 CC||libreoffice-ux-advise@lists
   ||.freedesktop.org


Referenced Bugs:

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108804
[Bug 108804] [META] Print preview bugs and enhancements
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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 139875] Page preview, need toggle button for system colours <> real colours

2022-04-07 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=139875

Heiko Tietze  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 CC|libreoffice-ux-advise@lists |heiko.tietze@documentfounda
   |.freedesktop.org|tion.org
   Keywords||accessibility
 Blocks||103184, 101912, 102187


Referenced Bugs:

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=101912
[Bug 101912] [META] Accessibility (a11y) bugs and enhancements
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=102187
[Bug 102187] [META] Options dialog bugs and enhancements
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103184
[Bug 103184] [META] UI theming bugs and enhancements
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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 139875] Page preview, need toggle button for system colours <> real colours

2022-04-07 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=139875

Heiko Tietze  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|UNCONFIRMED |NEW
   Keywords|needsUXEval |
 Ever confirmed|0   |1

--- Comment #4 from Heiko Tietze  ---
Cannot understand why Cor and Stuart agree with the request. But anyway, let's
accept then.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 148282] Make sure thumbnails in start center are readable

2022-04-07 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=148282

Heiko Tietze  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

Summary|Page Area in Start Center   |Make sure thumbnails in
   |Does Not Respect|start center are readable
   |Application Colors Scheme   |
 Ever confirmed|0   |1
 Status|UNCONFIRMED |NEW
 CC|libreoffice-ux-advise@lists |heiko.tietze@documentfounda
   |.freedesktop.org|tion.org
   Keywords|needsUXEval |
 Depends on||99116

--- Comment #5 from Heiko Tietze  ---
Rather than using an arbitrary hard-coded color for the dialog we should prefer
the system theme, which should also fit with what was used to generate
thumbnails in most cases. 

Suggestion is to not redraw thumbnails (on what basis?). Could imagine making
this a DUP to bug 99116 but in the end it's another aspect: "Make sure
thumnails are readable".


Referenced Bugs:

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=99116
[Bug 99116] StartCenter’s hardcoded color scheme doesn’t work for high-contrast
mode users
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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 148257] Missing/unexposed ability to explicitly set the "language group" of a piece of text

2022-04-07 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=148257

Heiko Tietze  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 CC|libreoffice-ux-advise@lists |heiko.tietze@documentfounda
   |.freedesktop.org|tion.org
   Keywords|needsUXEval |needsDevAdvice

--- Comment #10 from Heiko Tietze  ---
(In reply to Eyal Rozenberg from comment #6)
> It's more than about a use-case, it's a matter of principle: 
> 
> * It does not make sense that setting a direction also sets the language.
> * It does not make sense, and is not tolerable, that changing the direction
> of a run of text changes its font.

What bothers me in general on the ticket is using the language group for
layouting. 
But I cannot judge on this topic since it affects basic development aspects.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 148236] Allow reorder of Sections using the Navigator

2022-04-07 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=148236

Heiko Tietze  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

   Keywords|needsUXEval |
 CC|libreoffice-ux-advise@lists |heiko.tietze@documentfounda
   |.freedesktop.org|tion.org

--- Comment #3 from Heiko Tietze  ---
(In reply to Cor Nouws from comment #2)
> Sounds like fun to have.

The opposite to usability... but anyway, let's keep the ticket alive if you see
potential. I recommend to not implement features without clear use cases.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 148128] Mark page center on horizontal and vertical rulers

2022-04-07 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=148128

--- Comment #4 from Heiko Tietze  ---
Good idea to snap but I'm afraid it's a bit more difficult.

First of all, the helplines are "volatile" in Writer - precise positioning is
meant for Draw/Impress anyway. And if an object is selected the ruler measure
the object in Writer while Draw only shows unobtrusive indicators.

So these snap points would be for Draw/Impress. However, setting a precise
value for helplines is possible right now per right click and I'm afraid of
overloading the rulers.

So my take is WF. Will leave this open for a while to get more input.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 140900] [Feature Request] A setting to change the size of the font previews dropdown

2022-04-07 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=140900

--- Comment #11 from Heiko Tietze  ---
(In reply to chameleonscales from comment #10)
> Created attachment 179372 [details]

And what exactly would you like to change? Is it too large? Do you mean the
collapsed drodpown or the expanded list?

(In reply to chameleonscales from comment #0)
> I would suggest providing a Preview size parameter in Tools > Options >
> LibreOffice > View > Font Lists, right under Show preview of fonts.

To enter a value for the size of one UI is probably not a solution to any
problem. But if some adjustments are needed for high resolution I'm all in.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 140900] [Feature Request] A setting to change the size of the font previews dropdown

2022-04-07 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=140900

--- Comment #10 from chameleonsca...@protonmail.com ---
Created attachment 179372
  --> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=179372=edit
Fonts dropdown list

My screenshot

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 148441] Should the view layout icons in the status bar be active when in Print Preview Mode, plus the blue highlighting does not match preview layout

2022-04-07 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=148441

sdc.bla...@youmail.dk changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Blocks||86066, 108804
   Keywords||needsUXEval
 CC||libreoffice-ux-advise@lists
   ||.freedesktop.org


Referenced Bugs:

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=86066
[Bug 86066] [META] Bugs and improvements to the status bar
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108804
[Bug 108804] [META] Print preview bugs and enhancements
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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 148407] Need ability to cancel an ongoing paste action

2022-04-07 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=148407

--- Comment #4 from Telesto  ---
Well I surely have had few freezes of up to 120 seconds.. Sometimes I even kill
soffice.bin.. And in general I avoid webpastes to LibreOfffice (because of
possible freezes)

In cases of high bandwidth and proper internet connection it should freeze at
all (it does). And in cases where of low bandwidth (and say large images) or
bad internet connection there are merits for 'abort'

I dislike a UI button, but simply press 'ESC' to kill the paste (simply paste
keep what's already pasted) 

-
Few other remarks..  
However I speculate that failure  of downloading the image (there is apparently
a time-out at some point), well end up link to the image instead of embedding
the image.. See bug 148027. And that stupid link gets accessed on every
file-open (and if the linked domain being slow, it entails slow file opening..
waiting a minute for 50 kb file to open) because some 7 megabit file on some
webserver at the other side of the world with small upload  

And this is yet again problematic, because there was no intention to have 'link
to images' but intended embedded images (when I opt for copy/paste). Else you
might lose images (link died) and well it makes files slow to open

---

In general some could argue that a warning dialog would be appropriate
(infobar?). The file contains linked files to the internet, do you want to
download


And the lovely is that those image which do refuse to be downloaded are mostly
stuff of unimportance.. Facebook, Whatsapp buttons

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 144211] implement option to remember window size on a per document basis

2022-04-07 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=144211

Heiko Tietze  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

   See Also||https://bugs.documentfounda
   ||tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41
   ||777

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 87542] Closing a component should not revert to start center

2022-04-07 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87542

--- Comment #4 from Heiko Tietze  ---


*** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of bug 41777 ***

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 87465] Libreoffice does'nt remember its window state

2022-04-07 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87465

--- Comment #7 from Heiko Tietze  ---


*** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of bug 41777 ***

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 147837] When merging cells, it is not good that 'Keep the contents of the hidden cell' is the default

2022-04-07 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=147837

Roman Kuznetsov <79045_79...@mail.ru> changed:

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 CC||79045_79...@mail.ru

--- Comment #7 from Roman Kuznetsov <79045_79...@mail.ru> ---
Current behaviour is the best solution for this case

I don't think it's the problem for anyone, because we have the excellent dialog
with illustrations and nice labels

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 147837] When merging cells, it is not good that 'Keep the contents of the hidden cell' is the default

2022-04-07 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=147837

Heiko Tietze  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 CC||libreoffice-ux-advise@lists
   ||.freedesktop.org
 OS|Windows (All)   |All

--- Comment #6 from Heiko Tietze  ---
Quite the opposite, keeping all data on merge is safer than cleaning up.
Microsoft is not always doing the right things.

Ultimately it's a conscious decision and the dialog shows clearly what happens. 

Other opinions?

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 148357] When deleting a comment in Navigator, it changes position needlessly

2022-04-07 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=148357

Heiko Tietze  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|UNCONFIRMED |NEEDINFO
 Ever confirmed|0   |1

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 148357] When deleting a comment in Navigator, it changes position needlessly

2022-04-07 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=148357

--- Comment #3 from Heiko Tietze  ---
Created attachment 179367
  --> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=179367=edit
Screencast

Nothing happens on right click. But if you delete an entry, comment here, the
tree is rebuilt. What exactly is scrolling in your case?

Version: 7.3.2.2 / LibreOffice Community
Build ID: 30(Build:2)
CPU threads: 8; OS: Linux 5.17; UI render: default; VCL: kf5 (cairo+xcb)
Locale: de-DE (en_US.UTF-8); UI: en-US
7.3.2-1
Calc: threaded

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 148357] When deleting a comment in Navigator, it changes position needlessly

2022-04-07 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=148357

Heiko Tietze  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 CC||libreoffice-ux-advise@lists
   ||.freedesktop.org

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 148407] Need ability to cancel an ongoing paste action

2022-04-07 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=148407

--- Comment #3 from Eyal Rozenberg  ---
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #2)
> What use case would you cover with cancel? You changed your mind,

That's it.

> long-processing makes text irrelevant, you drink too much coffee since the
> operation takes literally minutes (the whole page from the referenced bug is
> pasted in ~10s here)?

10s is already enough to let me change my mind. But - that's a 20-line piece of
a webpage with a few small images. Now suppose I pasted something that's 100x
larger, by mistake. Am I supposed to wait 1000 seconds ? And if you sped it up
by 10x - to wait 100 seconds? No.

> Rather than aborting the operation we should speed-up the paste procedure.

That would not solve the problem. LO still would needs this for large pasted
content.

> And the same cancel mechanism would be required for open or save (IIRC we
> discussed this before but cannot find a ticket).

Not sure about "Save", but for open - yes, it should definitely be possible to
cancel an Open.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 141625] Calc Chart x-Axis Formatting

2022-04-07 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141625

--- Comment #4 from Heiko Tietze  ---
Created attachment 179366
  --> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=179366=edit
Screenshot

Situation with kf5

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 141625] Calc Chart x-Axis Formatting

2022-04-07 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141625

Heiko Tietze  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|UNCONFIRMED |NEW
 CC||caol...@redhat.com
 Ever confirmed|0   |1
 Blocks||103182

--- Comment #3 from Heiko Tietze  ---
Caolan, the large gtk3 controls spoil the size calculation here. Do you think a
size_request() works well or should this be handled somewhere else, more
generic?


Referenced Bugs:

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103182
[Bug 103182] [META] GTK3-specific bugs
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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 148407] Need ability to cancel an ongoing paste action

2022-04-07 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=148407

Heiko Tietze  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

   Keywords||perf
 CC||michael.st...@allotropia.de

--- Comment #2 from Heiko Tietze  ---
What use case would you cover with cancel? You changed your mind,
long-processing makes text irrelevant, you drink too much coffee since the
operation takes literally minutes (the whole page from the referenced bug is
pasted in ~10s here)?

Rather than aborting the operation we should speed-up the paste procedure. And
the same cancel mechanism would be required for open or save (IIRC we discussed
this before but cannot find a ticket).

My take: DUP 148408

Michael, what do you think?

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 140900] [Feature Request] A setting to change the size of the font previews dropdown

2022-04-07 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=140900

Heiko Tietze  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|UNCONFIRMED |NEEDINFO
 Blocks||90796
 Ever confirmed|0   |1

--- Comment #9 from Heiko Tietze  ---
(In reply to chameleonscales from comment #5)
> it would be interesting to know what your screen's size and resolution are...

Sure, high resolutions are always a source of trouble. Still waiting for a
screenshot to judge...

xdpyinfo | grep -B 2 resolution
screen #0:
  dimensions:3440x1440 pixels (802x333 millimeters)
  resolution:109x110 dots per inch


Referenced Bugs:

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90796
[Bug 90796] [META] HiDPI / Retina bugs
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