[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 147232] Improvement of CALC diagrams

2023-03-30 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=147232

--- Comment #16 from shoe...@gmx.de ---
Created attachment 186340
  --> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=186340=edit
New panel for "true size" X/Y diagram image export

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 151507] Themed color palette

2023-03-30 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=151507

--- Comment #8 from Regina Henschel  ---
Created attachment 186332
  --> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=186332=edit
Solid fill and gradient fill

Theme colors (MS Office "schemeClr") are different from palettes because the
set of scheme colors is stored in the file and bound to the master page. As
Writer has only one master page it can only have one set of scheme colors.
Impress/Draw can have several master pages and thus several sets of scheme
colors.

If you want to change a theme, that means effectively a change of the master
page. So I agree with V Stuart Foote that changing or editing the set of scheme
colors should not be in the area dialog but could be located in the master page
dialog in Impress. In Writer it cannot be inside the page style dialog, because
there is only one set of scheme colors. [Perhaps a new dialog with all document
wide settings in Writer?]

For selecting a scheme color, I prefer to have it separated from the palettes.
There could be a dedicated area for it, see my attachment.

Lighten/darken can be a new control, consisting of a set of buttons with
stepped examples and a field for numerically determine the value. MS Office
allows light and darken not only for scheme colors but for all colors.
Therefore I would allow lighten/darken for palette colors too. See my
attachment.

MS Office has no fixed steps of lighten/darken but depends the steps on the
brightness of the base color. So should we do (bug 153361). It is useless to
make a light background color 4 steps lighter, or a dark text color even
darker.

The previews of the selected colors would then need to be split in showing the
base color and the selected lighten/darken variant. That is not included in my
attachment.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 153899] Clone format of unmerged cells breaks up merging, applies to first unmerged cell only

2023-03-30 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153899

Eyal Rozenberg  changed:

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 Resolution|NOTABUG |---
   Keywords||needsUXEval

--- Comment #12 from Eyal Rozenberg  ---
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #11)
> We discussed the topic in the design meeting.

Please read my last comment.

> LibreOffice offers the outstanding feature to merge cells in three different
> ways.

... not relevant to this bug.

> If you copy a merged cell you expect the merged state to be taken into
> account. The same is true for clone format that takes the merge state as a
> formatting attribute and applies it to the target. It's a convenience
> feature in alignment to the copy function.

All features are convenience features. One can always edit an ODF file
manually. The use of this term is suspicious.


> Cell formatting is preferably done per cell style.

Cell formatting is application of style + DF. When you clone-format, you clone
the style and the DF.

> The style with all
> defined attributes will be applied to the merged cells without affecting the
> state.

(facepalm!)

1. This bug was opened about the fact that clone-formatting _does_ affect the
merged state - it breaks up the cells. You're claiming that it doesn't? That's
nonsensical. In fact, in the design meeting, the conclusion was that the
clone-formatting _should_ affect the merged state.

2. This bug is about cloning DF, not cloning styles. Given that the cells are
broken up, the complaint is that the DF is applied to just one of them.

3. No, the style is _not_ applied to all of the cells! Just to the first one.
If you change the style of D3 in the reproduction instruction to some other
style (e.g. "my_style" with a blue background) - only the first of the
broken-up cells will get "my_style" and the blue background; the rest will
remain in Default Style.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 113388] Support for Client Side Windows Decorations in LibreOffice

2023-03-30 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113388

V Stuart Foote  changed:

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Referenced Bugs:

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=115512
[Bug 115512] Client-side window decorations (remove titlebar from UI when
running GNOME with some toolbar view modes)
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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 113388] Support for Client Side Windows Decorations in LibreOffice

2023-03-30 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113388

V Stuart Foote  changed:

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 154394] Can not select multiple check box in single shot for Formatting Text

2023-03-30 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154394

Stéphane Guillou (stragu)  changed:

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--- Comment #7 from Stéphane Guillou (stragu) 
 ---
The icons in the top menu are used to indicate that something is on, they are
not actual tick boxes like in a dialog.

The design of the top menu is that clicking one element executes an action, and
then closes. I don't see this changing any time soon, the behaviour is standard
and I can't think of other apps in which the menu remains open after having
clicked on an option. (Can you think of one?)

Alternatives to using the menu repeatedly:
- toolbar, which you can customise
- Character dialog (accessed through top menu or context menu)
- If you often need to apply the same set of direct formatting options, you
should create a character style that has them all

I believe these are sufficient. Agreeing with Miguel Angel in closing as "won't
fix".
(Maybe better icons could be used if they look like actual tickboxes, but I
think that comes from your desktop environment, not LO. Mine look like this on
GNOME: ✓)

The UX team can weigh in.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 151507] Themed color palette

2023-03-30 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=151507

--- Comment #7 from V Stuart Foote  ---
I really want to keep the Theme "style" editor separate from our functional
Palette based color picker. OK to use the Theme palette from the picker as now.
But keeping two distinct dialogs please--not option #2

Yes to providing the 'Standard' colors (standard.soc) for use with the Theme
Colors... picker would be useful.  And with the 'Standard' palette the drop
list would obviously be the defined "tints" and "shades" of the standard.soc.

+1 for option #3

A good start but would we stop there? 

For Themed colors "style" dialog--how do you make changes to the Theme?
Remember the theme structure is 2-backgrounds, 2 text/foregrounds, 6 accents,
hyperlink, followed-hyperlink. And the rest of the "Theme" columns are
calculated values against those base colors: 80%, 60%, 40% lighter and 25%, 50%
darker. 

They are fixed as recorded to the palette.  Currently, you can change one
value--but you can not pick one base color to modify and recalculate its
derived values to edit the "Theme". Seems that is going to be needed.

Also, should there be some cross over by including the "active" palette from
the color picker for editing the base colors?  Maybe just link the picker as a
split button (show active color - or open picker) like done on normal toolbars?
Another reason to keep two dialogs.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 154211] Allow selecting a range between current cursor position and an element in Navigator with Shift + click (EDITING)

2023-03-30 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154211

Heiko Tietze  changed:

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--- Comment #7 from Heiko Tietze  ---
The request boils down to not change the document focus when interacting with
the Navigator and to just scroll to the respective position. I think wont be
comfortable for the majority of users (who not even know about Emacs). And
actually it shouldn't be a frequent use case anyway. 

You could realize the function per macro. And perhaps you may benefit from the
various selection modes we provide, and which are easy to overlook. Depends of
course on your specific use case.

My take is still WF.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 147232] Improvement of CALC diagrams

2023-03-30 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=147232

--- Comment #15 from Heiko Tietze  ---
(In reply to Regina Henschel from comment #14)
> If you draw an xy-chart manually you will decide whether you will use 1cm or
> 5mm for the unit "1".

The diagram size minus the wall size divide by the maximum is the size of steps
on the axis. If you define the step in metrical units this affects the overall
size of the diagram - and vice versa.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 151507] Themed color palette

2023-03-30 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=151507

Heiko Tietze  changed:

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--- Comment #6 from Heiko Tietze  ---
The mockup at
https://design.penpot.app/#/view/d9665a57-0073-80a2-8002-47af3e11cf33?page-id=d9665a57-0073-80a2-8002-47af3e11cf34=interactions=0=d5fc0283-ef1c-80fa-8002-47d90c42f7c6
starts on 1) with the current implementation. While LibreOffice (on the left)
offers RGB access to set all millions of colors the theme (as implemented by
MSO on the right) is kind of a style and changing „Accent 1“ affects all places
it is used.

The requirements are:
a) pick a themed colorize
1. access different brightness/colorization steps
2. show the active theme color on the selection
3. allow special colors such as „Automatic“ (eg. for font color) and
„No Fill“ (Shapes)
b) pick a standard color
1. provide access to the recently used colors
2. allow to switch the way RGB colors are presented (eg. Palette 
filtered for HTML)
c) use the themed and standard colors on gradients and other places too
d) allow to switch the color theme to adjust to whole document appearance
(eg. from “Rainbow” to “Beach”)
e) edit and share color theme
f) edit and share standard colors and palettes

No doubt that MSO solves a) in a perfect way, and we could do the same giving
full access to the standard colors b) in an extra dialog. But we aim to give
freedom to the users and should not just copy a solution but make it more
flexible.

Option 2) in the mockup merges a) and b) into one picker. The standard palette
is reduced to save space but that’s not necessary. In contrast to the prototype
from MSO we could just present the basic theme colors denying a1 (access to the
brightness level could be given in the color dialog underneath the current
color per slider / num stepper). It adds a dropdown to pick a theme and the
load more from the extension site. Drawback of this solution is that picking a
theme when coloring a random object affect every color. Changing the color
theme might be better suited at some special place, in case of MSO at the
Design tab. We could do this in a special dialog or in the page style dialog
(respectively Slide Properties for Impress) since the setting belongs to the
whole document. 

Option 3) takes into account that the layout of 2) feels a bit crowded. It
reduces the Theme Colors to just the colors with access to the brightness
levels via dropdown menu. And while we can do this for the themed colors the
same is possible for the standard colors, as shown right hand. Changing the RGB
palette could be done in any Area Fill dialog.

Themed colors are well suited for less colorful documents as done in Writer but
less optimal when color is prime, ie. in Draw. We probably need two different
approaches.

Comments are welcome.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 147232] Improvement of CALC diagrams

2023-03-30 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=147232

--- Comment #14 from Regina Henschel  ---
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #13)
> (In reply to Regina Henschel from comment #12)
> > ...unit on x-axis and y-axis are displayed with the same length.
> What is the length of a unit?

If you draw an xy-chart manually you will decide whether you will use 1cm or
5mm for the unit "1". Such setting is missing in LibreOffice.

One mode of the desired behavior is, that you can force the axis to use a
specific length for the unit "1" and that length is kept when resizing the
chart object and when exporting the chart.

> 
> > If you have fixed min and max values you can get it manually by dragging the
> > chart wall to the correct size.
> Therefore me concluded in comment 10 that we have to expose the wall
> position/size in the UI.

That would indeed be a great help for manually tweaking the chart.

> 
> > I think this report is duplicate to bug 43174 in regard to axis scaling.
> You can easily set a min/max.

A second mode would be, that x-axis and y-axis use the same length for the unit
"1" but in case min/max is set to 'automatic', this length adapts to the actual
data values and the length adapts to the size of the chart object.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 154211] Allow selecting a range between current cursor position and an element in Navigator with Shift + click (EDITING)

2023-03-30 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154211

Ole Tange  changed:

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 Resolution|WONTFIX |---

--- Comment #6 from Ole Tange  ---
Just to make it clear: The mulitiselection idea (Bug 129610) would not solve my
issue and it is in no way the same problem.

I am an emacs user, and I really love CTRL-space to set mark, then move to
another location, and then being able to cut the area between the mark and the
current cursor location.

So another way that would solve my issue would be to have a way to turn on
selection mode, then navigate (by hand or by Navigator) and then have a
selection between the start point and the current cursor location.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 147232] Improvement of CALC diagrams

2023-03-30 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=147232

--- Comment #13 from Heiko Tietze  ---
(In reply to Regina Henschel from comment #12)
> ...unit on x-axis and y-axis are displayed with the same length.
What is the length of a unit?

> If you have fixed min and max values you can get it manually by dragging the
> chart wall to the correct size.
Therefore me concluded in comment 10 that we have to expose the wall
position/size in the UI.

> I think this report is duplicate to bug 43174 in regard to axis scaling.
You can easily set a min/max.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 154410] Improve Calc's Format > Align Text menu's contents and labels

2023-03-30 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154410

--- Comment #5 from Heiko Tietze  ---
The alternative that needs to be discussed is the existing "clear DF" function.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 80281] FORMATTING: "Keep aspect ratio" checkbox of images or photos not always honoured

2023-03-30 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=80281

--- Comment #11 from Heiko Tietze  ---
(In reply to Stéphane Guillou (stragu) from comment #10)
> want it discussed at the next UX meeting?

It's on the agenda

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 153248] Insert Caption and Caption Options dialogs have a mix of settings affecting the whole category or only current caption

2023-03-30 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153248

Heiko Tietze  changed:

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--- Comment #13 from Heiko Tietze  ---
We discussed the proposal in the design meeting without further suggestions.
Sounds like a good topic for a GSoC project.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 154211] Allow selecting a range between current cursor position and an element in Navigator with Shift + click (EDITING)

2023-03-30 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154211

Stéphane Guillou (stragu)  changed:

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 Resolution|DUPLICATE   |WONTFIX

--- Comment #5 from Stéphane Guillou (stragu) 
 ---
Maybe rather a "won't fix" then, because this is less about multiselect but
more about using the navigator items as a "jump point" to select a range of
text (and maybe tables or other things that can be selected together).

"Won't fix" because there's always an active selection in the navigator, and
therefore using Shift + Click should trigger a navigator multiselection when it
can (once it's implemented, and as it's already implemented in e.g. Draw).

In the specific case of headings, I assume such multiselection should be the
equivalent of selecting multiple headings in the text with Ctrl key pressed.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 91415] Improve design of comment indicators to block less of the cell's content

2023-03-30 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=91415
Bug 91415 depends on bug 153106, which changed state.

Bug 153106 Summary: Revert commit of Bug 91415 - Scale Calc's comment indicator 
with zoom level (please, do not)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153106

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|UNCONFIRMED |RESOLVED
 Resolution|--- |WONTFIX

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 154080] Comment indicator is too small, non-circumspect, easy to miss

2023-03-30 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154080

Heiko Tietze  changed:

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   ||tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12
   ||9847
   Keywords|needsUXEval |

--- Comment #11 from Heiko Tietze  ---
We discussed the topic in the design meeting. 

The indicator is easy to spot at 100% but might be a challenge in other zoom
levels if the text overflow indicator is spread across the sheet together with
comment indicators, both being red. The proposal is to move these two options
out of tools > options > calc > view into application colors to allow the
specification of other colors than red. MSO uses purple color for comments but
has no overflow indicator (content is replaced by #).


Referenced Bugs:

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108019
[Bug 108019] [META] Calc UX bugs and enhancements
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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 153899] Clone format of unmerged cells breaks up merging, applies to first unmerged cell only

2023-03-30 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153899

Heiko Tietze  changed:

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 CC|libreoffice-ux-advise@lists |heiko.tietze@documentfounda
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 Resolution|--- |NOTABUG
 Status|UNCONFIRMED |RESOLVED

--- Comment #11 from Heiko Tietze  ---
We discussed the topic in the design meeting.

LibreOffice offers the outstanding feature to merge cells in three different
ways. Either the content if the cells to merge is collected into the new cell
(eg. A1=1, B1=2 => A1 = 12), the cell content is kept hidden (and unmerging is
possible), or only the content of the first cell is kept.

If you copy a merged cell you expect the merged state to be taken into account.
The same is true for clone format that takes the merge state as a formatting
attribute and applies it to the target. It's a convenience feature in alignment
to the copy function.

Cell formatting is preferably done per cell style. The style with all defined
attributes will be applied to the merged cells without affecting the state. =>
NAB

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 154021] Customize dialog is too big to display on 1280x800 laptop screen GNOME (gtk3)

2023-03-30 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154021

--- Comment #16 from Heiko Tietze  ---
We discussed the topic in the design meeting. The question was if reducing the
height by showing less items in the list makes sense and is desired. We
rejected the idea as low res screens are dropping off the market and a patch
would affect the usability for many solving issues for a few (and tweaking the
font size helped in this case). => WF/NOB

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 154211] Allow selecting a range between current cursor position and an element in Navigator with Shift + click (EDITING)

2023-03-30 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154211

Heiko Tietze  changed:

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   Keywords||needsUXEval
 Status|NEW |RESOLVED
 Resolution|--- |DUPLICATE
 CC||rayk...@gmail.com

--- Comment #4 from Heiko Tietze  ---
The Navigator aims to navigate not to manipulate. In my opinion we should keep
it simple. However, the request about multiselection has been done before (and
wasn't questioned).

Multi-selection means to ctrl+click tree items to toggle it's selection state.
Shift+click in the tree would select all items up to the current position.
There can't be a cursor position in the document.

*** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of bug 129610 ***

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