Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Template Manager default thumbnails

2013-01-29 Thread Stefan Knorr (Astron)
Hi Cedric, On 29 January 2013 11:15, Cedric Bosdonnat cbosdon...@suse.com wrote: Hi all, I was looking for the pictures to show when I have no template thumbnail. Do you have a link to the ones you were mentioning in our last chat? Were you mentioning the icons like this one?

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] including Ubuntu fonts in Windows/OSX installers

2013-01-24 Thread Stefan Knorr (Astron)
Hi Tor, On 24 January 2013 10:27, Tor Lillqvist t...@iki.fi wrote: If the Ubuntu typeface is so unique as they say (i.e. instantly recognisable) (or even worse, subconsciously recognised), wouldn't using it in templates then be an endorsement of Ubuntu? Isn't LibreOffice supposed to be

[Libreoffice-ux-advise] Fwd: Word completion default value

2013-01-24 Thread Stefan Knorr (Astron)
Sent to Samuel only. -- Forwarded message -- From: Stefan Knorr (Astron) heinzless...@gmail.com Date: 24 January 2013 16:40 Subject: Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Word completion default value To: Samuel Mehrbrodt s.mehrbr...@gmail.com Hi Samuel, while in general, I like

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] LATE FEATURE: Personas in LibreOffice

2013-01-24 Thread Stefan Knorr (Astron)
Hi Michel, Kendy, * sorry this comes so late... * tldr: The background image UI should really go if it won't work. On 18 January 2013 10:03, Jan Holesovsky ke...@suse.cz wrote: May i make some suggestions on the pref panel ? - why not keep the own image to select an image in local hd ? Hm

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] LATE FEATURE: Personas in LibreOffice

2013-01-24 Thread Stefan Knorr (Astron)
Hi Fitoschido, On 24 January 2013 17:50, Adolfo Jayme Barrientos fitosch...@gmail.com wrote: No, I don’t agree on removing the feature from 4.0. We should improve its rough edges instead of going the easy way. You realise the 4.0.0 RC3 aka the 4.0.0 final release is going to be tagged

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] LATE FEATURE: Personas in LibreOffice

2013-01-24 Thread Stefan Knorr (Astron)
Hi Adolfo, But still, it’s too late to remove things. Too much hype this feature has created on blogs already... And people is still yelling that “we do not care about UI” or something like that... Note that I only spoke about the user-defined background images feature. Not about the Personas

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Presentation Backgrounds broken with new SVG filter

2013-01-15 Thread Stefan Knorr (Astron)
Hi Michael, Regina, On 14 January 2013 12:17, Michael Meeks michael.me...@suse.com wrote: I'll get to fixing this for 4.0 - so I wouldn't worry :-) Sound good. Thanks for the information willingness to patch! Astron. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Presentation Backgrounds broken with new SVG filter

2013-01-10 Thread Stefan Knorr (Astron)
Hi again... In the interest of accuracy, I was overstating things, re: There is an especially visible regression which is that radial gradients do not work at all any more. There are more templates that use radial gradients, but not all are broken. (No idea what this brokenness depends upon)

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Repo / place for original artwork files (was: Re: [PUSHED] Make new About dialogue a little nicer)

2012-08-09 Thread Stefan Knorr (Astron)
Hello Kendy, Terribly sorry for missing your mail :-( Can you please describe me the problem more exactly? I can see the images, when I go eg. to http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/tree/icon-themes/tango/lc10713.png and click (plain) after the blob:

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Relicensing of your contributions to the Gnome theme for LibreOffice

2012-08-08 Thread Stefan Knorr (Astron)
Hello Jakub, glad you wrote back. :) On 6 August 2012 14:31, Jakub Steiner jim...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Stefan, sorry I've let a response slip through. Wouldn't the fact that gnome-icon-theme is LGPL3 be enough to allow incorporating the bits you need into the libre office tree? So, regarding

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Question Concerning Bug 51048 - VIEWING: Outline around text on focused buttons

2012-06-14 Thread Stefan Knorr (Astron)
Since I have some trouble to add anything to Bugzilla right now... Hi Tomasz, Rainer, the dotted outline was used in the default theme of older versions of Windows (I think even the XP default theme used it, but can't say now). In Vista/7, it was replaced by the blue glow on the icons. We now

[Libreoffice-ux-advise] Relicensing of your contributions to the Gnome theme for LibreOffice

2012-06-04 Thread Stefan Knorr (Astron)
Hello Andreas, Hylke, Jakub, Lapo! We from LibreOffice are very much interested in getting some of your contributions to the Gnome icon theme into LibreOffice. This will help us to refresh our somewhat ageing Tango theme. However, we use a different license for our contributions than Gnome does.

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] [PUSHED] Re: Remove option to hide the scrollbars

2012-06-03 Thread Stefan Knorr (Astron)
Hi Kendy, Can you please create a screenshot [with a look here arrow / point / line / circle / ...] for me to see what exactly do you mean?  I am sure it is fixable, whatever it is :-) Not a problem, see the attached file (it's magnified, so you won't be able to measure exactly 23/19px

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] fdo#45830 - Language/User Interface: current choice indicated as default

2012-05-27 Thread Stefan Knorr (Astron)
Hi Rob, But can I solve this or should this be asked to the usability-mailinglist? And what is the emailaddress of that mailinglist? The Address is libreoffice-ux-advise at freedektop org. I've CC'd that list. I have created a patch that corrects the name of the default locale to the

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Mirek's visit in SUSE :-)

2012-05-26 Thread Stefan Knorr (Astron)
Hi all, Here, I would like to propose two things: * make Insert mode harder to trigger, for instance, by having to use Shift+Ins (instead of just Ins) * remove the inidactor wholesale That is actually an interesting idea :-)  The cursor changes to a block one when the overwrite mode is

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] [UX advise] Key navigation in ValueSet controls

2012-05-25 Thread Stefan Knorr (Astron)
Hi Matteo, it's been some time, I know – but I had this among my drafts... I hope you'll forgive.    I just pushed my rework of ValueSet key navigation to master. Main differences from the old one are: * No more vertical wrap-around * Last item can be easily displayed also when on a shorter

[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [PATCH] Don't make tab headers bold by default

2012-05-25 Thread Stefan Knorr (Astron)
Hi there, I've always wondered why LibreOffice (and before it Ooo) would make the selected tab header bold, because no OS I know does that natively. While there is an option with which backends could turn this behaviour off, if there's no need for that we probably should remove it, I guess.

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] [PATCH] Don't make tab headers bold by default

2012-05-25 Thread Stefan Knorr (Astron)
Hi again, thanks for the hint ... forgot the attachment. Astron. 0001-Use-normal-font-in-tab-headers.patch Description: Binary data ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] [PUSHED] Re: Remove option to hide the scrollbars

2012-05-25 Thread Stefan Knorr (Astron)
Hi Kendy, can you have a look at why it seems slightly off-centre? Maybe the ruler widgets are wider than the rulers themselves seem. Thus, the right side gets the margin you set and the left side gets set margin + dead part of the ruler. Is that fixable somehow? Astron.

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] conditional format dialog

2012-05-24 Thread Stefan Knorr (Astron)
Hello all, I've updated the proposal with data bars/color scales in mind... https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Conditional_Formatting I've tried to describe it in the wiki... if there are questions, don't hesitate to ask. Astron.

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Mirek's visit in SUSE :-)

2012-05-24 Thread Stefan Knorr (Astron)
Hi Kendy, Mirek, great idea and a great list of things you've done! The commits that introduced that are the following: Lighter border window (no 3d effect): http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=51fdf273e9893d3d05c99a09e1c2e5835a78e891 Zoom slider:

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] conditional format dialog

2012-05-11 Thread Stefan Knorr (Astron)
Hello Markus, Old planning has been moved a bit. Color scales and maybe data bars will make it into 3.6. Is there a good way to integrate it into the conditional formatting dialog? I am working on it. Meanwhile, there's an implementation detail that I would find useful to know: how are data

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Visual representation of calc borders slightly changed

2012-05-11 Thread Stefan Knorr (Astron)
Hi all, at the Hackfest (almost a month ago now, shame on me), I noticed how the corners of the cells were slightly round... although they should be square. This isn't a new effect, it's just that Markus's work highlights it more. Markus suggested that you (Thorsten) might be good person to speak

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Find Next/Find Previous context -- shortcut keys show or not?

2012-05-11 Thread Stefan Knorr (Astron)
Hi Korrawit, Talking about FindBar, shall this be discussed together?:  when the cursor is in the FindBar, the FindBar trash almost all keyboard shoutcuts. I think that makes sense. It's sort of a mode... This means you can't use the keyboard shortcuts, except, for example, Ctrl+A (Select

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] conditional format dialog

2012-04-29 Thread Stefan Knorr (Astron)
Hi Markus, As already discussed in Hamburg I'm happy with the current proposal but I have one point that I only noticed today. Would it be possible to add a concept for data bars and color scales? Possible, certainly. I think, in the combo box Cell value is we'd need a third choice like

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] [libreoffice-design] Re: conditional format dialog

2012-04-28 Thread Stefan Knorr (Astron)
Hi Andrew, what are these data bars and color scales you speak of? could you like to the concept for them if you have one? take a look here: http://www.addictivetips.com/windows-tips/microsoft-excel-2010-data-bar/ and here:

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] conditional format dialog

2012-04-27 Thread Stefan Knorr (Astron)
Hi Pierre, 1. For the record: the ability to create a new style is one of the items of the list of styles. Yes, that's the intention. 2. I understand that we will defer the option of sorting conditions. However I disagree with the proposition the Add button Appended to the last

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] mouse centered scrolling

2012-04-13 Thread Stefan Knorr (Astron)
Hi Tim, Do you want me to replace this by a sub menu or add the new despite the original one? Right, so, currently we have the menu entry Zoom..., which opens a dialogue (and that is the main problem, because that means at least three clicks and moving your mouse a lot). See the mockup

[Libreoffice-ux-advise] New icons in Tango

2012-04-12 Thread Stefan Knorr (Astron)
Hi all, about a week ago, Michael (M.) noticed on ux-advise that some icons in LibreOffice's Tango theme had been replaced. Well, I replaced those and didn't do the sensible thing and discuss these changes first... I'd like to make up for that lack of discussion. Thus, I've created a wiki page

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] tango icons in master ? ...

2012-04-04 Thread Stefan Knorr (Astron)
Hi Michael, Did we have a new formula icon in master ? I could have sworn tango had a nicer, simpler icon (or did something change) ? It's new (well, it's been there for at least two months). And it's my work. If you don't like it, sorry. The old icon was a black Industrial icon that I

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] tango icons in master ? ...

2012-04-04 Thread Stefan Knorr (Astron)
Hi again, sorry for two mails on this topic... Anyway, the old icon were those two: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/tree/icon-themes/industrial/sw/imglst/lc20556.png http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/tree/icon-themes/industrial/sw/imglst/sc20556.png Astron.

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] conditional format dialog

2012-03-13 Thread Stefan Knorr (Astron)
Hi Markus, I don't see that much use in the Conditional Format Manager. Excel uses a totally different concept and treats each conditional format entry as one entry in the manager while we would a set of conditional formats treat as one entry. Maybe I'm ignorant of something else here. Is

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Bug 44216: Drag and Drop Slides distorts object's height/width ratio

2012-02-28 Thread Stefan Knorr (Astron)
Hi Christoph, Ivan, Hmm, is there any possible alternative? Yes, you could easily use the verbs Adapt [Objects] and Keep [Ratio] or similar. Take a look at: [1]. Overall, I'd love if we could do any new UI we have in a more Gnome-y way (I am a declared Gnome fanboy, sorry). Labelling buttons

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] [PUSHED]Bug 37210 - UI: Calc usability improvement: Merge cells on right mouse click

2012-02-23 Thread Stefan Knorr (Astron)
Hi Michael, Greggory, I had a look here: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/File:OOo31_Usage_Feedback_Data.ods Apparently, it's the 33rd-most-used function in Calc (if this is indeed the .uno:ToggleMergeCells function, not the .uno:MergeCells function) and our context menu there has only

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] System::Beep() removal

2012-02-23 Thread Stefan Knorr (Astron)
Hi all, so, I guess using sound in the right places is not a bad idea. Of course, having 60 random beeps across the codebase means we're mostly silent already (well, my experience of workingin LibO backs this up) – in other words: removing the remaining beeps won't hurt so much any more. What I'd

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Libreoffice] [PATCH] Making default tab prefix name configurable in Calc

2012-02-09 Thread Stefan Knorr (Astron)
Hi Albert, At least I get two annoying bugs: 1) The cursor moves In front of the text when the Prefix is reverted. 2) When trying to delete text in the edit box, the last character sticks (can't be deleted). Does someone have a clue whats going on? Hm, no (not a coder I am). But can you

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Libreoffice] [PATCH] [PUSHED] fdo#45285 - Use more revealing error message for not allowed sheet names

2012-01-30 Thread Stefan Knorr (Astron)
Hi Albert, Albert, could you please confirm that you submitted your patch under LGPL3+/MPL? (If you plan on doing more patches, please consider just writing a blanket mail saying that you want to always commit under these licenses and then add yourself to [1].) Done. Thank you very much!

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] [PATCH] optimized zoom to use more common intervals

2012-01-22 Thread Stefan Knorr (Astron)
Hi Tim, finally got around to compiling with your patch in and testing the whole thing a bit and think I like the experience. Although, I would still love if you could make sure that we in all cases reach exactly 25% zoom at some point (not just 24 and 26). Thanks for your work. Astron.

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] [PATCH] use a geometric progression for zooming

2012-01-16 Thread Stefan Knorr (Astron)
Hi Tim, Cor, On 16 January 2012 12:35, Cor Nouws oo...@nouenoff.nl wrote: I am looking at the factor 1.2 That means that when zoom is 100, the next will be 120. The sequence (if round in Calc does the same as in C++) would look like: 131721263341516480100120144173207249299358430516619743892

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Libreoffice] Complete removal of the Windows/Linux quickstarter, was: Re: Removing LibO on Windows ...

2012-01-11 Thread Stefan Knorr (Astron)
Hi Michael,        Is this a 4.0 feature we can add to the 4.0 plan ? Done that. Albeit, probably didn't get the technical background right. So, let's close this discussion for now. Astron. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Libreoffice] [PUSHED] Avoid UI bugs in translations

2012-01-10 Thread Stefan Knorr (Astron)
Hi Michael, Andras, Thanks for taking care of this issue. Pushed to libreoffice-3-5 with changes. I did not see the point in shortening the body text. Thanks for cherry-picking. To put it with Joel Spolsky: Users can't read (linked to the corresponding article further up in the thread). So it

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Floppy Disk ...

2012-01-09 Thread Stefan Knorr (Astron)
Hi all, Lapo answered privately (because this list is goes unanswered if you don't use Reply All)... Astron. 2012/1/8 Stefan Knorr (Astron) heinzless...@googlemail.com: Hi Lapo, everyone else, On 6 January 2012 20:11, Lapo Calamandrei calamand...@gmail.com wrote: I'm missing some bits here

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Libreoffice] [PATCH 3.5 and master] Avoid UI bugs in translations

2012-01-09 Thread Stefan Knorr (Astron)
Hi Korrawit, For the choice buttons that are too small, IMHO this could be fixed by resizing them to be larger, if don't want to change the texts. :-) Hm, probably. Could you have a look, though, please, as these labels are already supposed to get wider automatically and don't use hard-coded

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] [PUSHED] Floppy Disk ...

2012-01-09 Thread Stefan Knorr (Astron)
Hi Lapo, Jakub, Michael, everybody else reading, *Just pushed the patch (with Lapo's suggested change of including the source image), could someone else cherry-pick, please?* http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=f76c017cf4f216e72da362e4d5466a2e5cc7281e (I don't want to mess up

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Libreoffice] [PATCH 3.5 and master] Avoid UI bugs in translations

2012-01-08 Thread Stefan Knorr (Astron)
Hi Christoph, William, everyone reading, I've made a new patch that does only the following things: * Correct the [en-US] thing * Use Christoph's proposal Confirm File Format as the window title * Remove the [en-US-old] text as that would have only been confusing * (Probably most controversial:)

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Libreoffice] [PATCH 3.5 and master] Avoid UI bugs in translations

2012-01-07 Thread Stefan Knorr (Astron)
Hi all, So... 1. The change of the title (Text to Text [en-US]) seems extremely sensible to me and should get in as early as possible, so other translators see the new string too. 2. The question you added seems sensible to me, even though it makes the text even longer [1], so should probably

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Floppy Disk ...

2012-01-04 Thread Stefan Knorr (Astron)
Hi Michael,        And wondered: can we not just drop the updated Tango 'save' icon into our theme for 3.5 ? [ the freeze doesn't affect artwork yet ;-] - any objections to that ? Hm ... yeah, the objection pretty much is this: we don't have a suitable icon yet (I agree with Alex's reasoning

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Icon for bundled extensions?

2011-12-31 Thread Stefan Knorr (Astron)
Hi Olivier, to be honest, I have no idea what our current policy is here. But, personally, I wouldn't mind if we had a French/Canadian flag (or both) as the icon. As for the Danish icon ... I find it is pretty non-descriptive, so it's in my view not ideal to follow this example. For now, the

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Libreoffice] [REVIEW 3-5: Late feature] Improvements in the header / footer behavior

2011-12-30 Thread Stefan Knorr (Astron)
Hi everyone, Yeah ;-) - it is hard to make everyone happy, though I am not that convinced that introducing one more option is the right solution. Agree with that completely. So - what I'll try to do is that the appearing will start later (not 1 sec, but maybe 200 - 500 ms), but the

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Libreoffice] [PATCH] Remove options Show preview of fonts and Show font history

2011-12-24 Thread Stefan Knorr (Astron)
Hi August, everyone, August accidentally sent this mail only to me ... so see his mail below. On 23 December 2011 19:10, August Sodora aug...@gmail.com wrote:       What I'd really like to see is an about:config style UI (that doesn't suck ;-) that lets people see edit all of the obscure

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Tooltips options removal, was: Automatically select an option page if a user clicks on a category

2011-12-22 Thread Stefan Knorr (Astron)
Hi, just a heads-up: the options On the Load/Save page: * Save Save URLs relative to file system * Save Save URLs relative to internet need some discussion still, so it's best to wait with any action concerning those. Astron. ___

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Input bar UX

2011-12-12 Thread Stefan Knorr (Astron)
Hi everyone, this is a really nice feature, but I've got a few buts: * The feature could be more discoverable, maybe using an icon instead of the arrowhead on the button would help – I'd recommend the Shrink icon that's in so many of Calc dialogues. This will give an issue with the width of the

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Back button in Tools - Options

2011-12-04 Thread Stefan Knorr (Astron)
Hi all, after seeing the link Rainer kindly posted, things become slightly clearer to me, however, Back still seems wrong. I wonder, though, what the alternative might be: * Revert: sounds very similar to reset, might be harder to translate well, but conveys well what we mean. * Undo: sounds as

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Back button in Tools - Options

2011-12-03 Thread Stefan Knorr (Astron)
Hi Lior, a big +1 for this idea. Back appears to be an incorrect translation from German – or is it not? I'm not completely sure, because zurück [=back] isn't used that way either, however, this could be a shortening of zurücksetzen [=reset]. I think it would be good to check where Back is used

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Libreoffice] [PATCH] Word count dialog modeless

2011-12-01 Thread Stefan Knorr (Astron)
Hi all, FWIW, I just [pushed] a change to fix this, along with some other minor updates to the UI, I hope that's fine with everyone: First, since the dialog is now non-modal, the OK button does not have the desired meaning anymore. Close is more appropriate in this case - could you please

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] UI for new line attribute line cap style

2011-11-29 Thread Stefan Knorr (Astron)
just so this mail doesn't go completely ...unanswered, the word missing is unanswered! ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Manage Names Dialog hit master

2011-11-29 Thread Stefan Knorr (Astron)
Hi Markus, Could you give some details how you managed that. I should at least confirm that this is really a gnome3 problem and not a generic one. Hm, not really. It was an empty spreadsheet and I just selected some cells, added them as a named range and then opened Manage Names, pressed the