[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 106534] Color set/ palette for charts missing since reorganization of color palettes

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Heiko Tietze  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|REOPENED|RESOLVED
 Resolution|--- |FIXED

--- Comment #19 from Heiko Tietze  ---
Back to resolved. The chart palette has been implemented.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 106534] Color set/ palette for charts missing since reorganization of color palettes

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Ulrich Windl  changed:

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 CC||ulrich.wi...@rz.uni-regensb
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--- Comment #18 from Ulrich Windl  ---
(In reply to Thomas Lendo from comment #2)
> Created attachment 131884 [details]

Colors 3 and 15 look very similar. I think having as many differently looking
colors as possible is a good idea. It seems that colors repeat too early.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 106534] Color set/ palette for charts missing since reorganization of color palettes

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--- Comment #17 from sophie  ---
(In reply to Yousuf Philips (jay) from comment #16)
> (In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #15)
> > Calling colors by there alien names probably violates copyright. We should
> > rename the colors.
> 
> The point of the colors is for users to identify that they are the same
> chart color palette used by default in MSO, so not sure how renaming them
> from 'MS Office 201X XXX' would be of benefit or be understandable to
> users. Also i've seen other office suites that have also used similar
> naming, e.g. Softmaker Office[1] uses 'Excel 2010' and 'Excel 5.0', so doubt
> there is an issue. Also we do have 'MS Excel' in our help.
> 
> [1]
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/
> 1Z1IBeqKnscoODgFDNm81iDnwkzxce92sEsYuMggnTDQ/edit#heading=h.5af7ly204war
> 
> [2] https://help.libreoffice.org/Writer/Section

We do have MS Excel when we refer to MS Excel functions or interoperability.
But it's not a good idea to rename palettes using Microsoft branding, it's
really not what we want to show our users and contributors. Please bring this
to legal@tdf before submitting such changes, thanks!. Sophie

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 106534] Color set/ palette for charts missing since reorganization of color palettes

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--- Comment #16 from Yousuf Philips (jay)  ---
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #15)
> Calling colors by there alien names probably violates copyright. We should
> rename the colors.

The point of the colors is for users to identify that they are the same chart
color palette used by default in MSO, so not sure how renaming them from 'MS
Office 201X XXX' would be of benefit or be understandable to users. Also
i've seen other office suites that have also used similar naming, e.g.
Softmaker Office[1] uses 'Excel 2010' and 'Excel 5.0', so doubt there is an
issue. Also we do have 'MS Excel' in our help.

[1]
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Z1IBeqKnscoODgFDNm81iDnwkzxce92sEsYuMggnTDQ/edit#heading=h.5af7ly204war

[2] https://help.libreoffice.org/Writer/Section

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 106534] Color set/ palette for charts missing since reorganization of color palettes

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=106534

Yousuf Philips (jay)  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

   See Also||https://bugs.documentfounda
   ||tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10
   ||8724

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 106534] Color set/ palette for charts missing since reorganization of color palettes

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=106534

Yousuf Philips (jay)  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|NEW |RESOLVED
   See Also||https://bugs.documentfounda
   ||tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10
   ||8669
 Blocks|105225  |
 Resolution|--- |FIXED


Referenced Bugs:

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=105225
[Bug 105225] Color palette cannot be chosen in various places
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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 106534] Color set/ palette for charts missing since reorganization of color palettes

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--- Comment #14 from Commit Notification 
 ---
Yousuf Philips committed a patch related to this issue.
It has been pushed to "libreoffice-5-4":

http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=6950cbe233b72e87f0cbbeaf8903d5c8caa7bf7d=libreoffice-5-4

tdf#106534 New color palette with various charts palettes

It will be available in 5.4.0.1.

The patch should be included in the daily builds available at
http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/ in the next 24-48 hours. More
information about daily builds can be found at:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Testing_Daily_Builds

Affected users are encouraged to test the fix and report feedback.

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 Whiteboard|target:5.5.0|target:5.5.0 target:5.4.0.1

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 106534] Color set/ palette for charts missing since reorganization of color palettes

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=106534

--- Comment #13 from Commit Notification 
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Yousuf Philips committed a patch related to this issue.
It has been pushed to "master":

http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=5a5864f5eec6761a8c20f4b77bac8bd83c7cec84

tdf#106534 New color palette with various charts palettes

It will be available in 5.5.0.

The patch should be included in the daily builds available at
http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/ in the next 24-48 hours. More
information about daily builds can be found at:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Testing_Daily_Builds

Affected users are encouraged to test the fix and report feedback.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 106534] Color set/ palette for charts missing since reorganization of color palettes

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=106534

Yousuf Philips (jay)  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Blocks|108052  |


Referenced Bugs:

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108052
[Bug 108052] Where should custom chart colors be added
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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 106534] Color set/ palette for charts missing since reorganization of color palettes

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Thomas Lendo  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Blocks||108052


Referenced Bugs:

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[Bug 108052] Where should custom chart colors be added
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Yousuf Philips (jay)  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

   See Also||https://bugs.documentfounda
   ||tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90
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--- Comment #12 from Yousuf Philips (jay)  ---
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #11)
> Not sure about legal issues calling colors "Excel 2010".

We use "Excel 2007-2013 XML" in the save as dialog in Calc, but lets change it
to "MS Office 2010" as the chart colors are used in any MSO app.

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--- Comment #11 from Heiko Tietze  ---
(In reply to Yousuf Philips (jay) from comment #10)
> As mentioned on telegram, we can create a new color palette that contains
> various chart color palettes in it, including the old one, some new ones
> from various sources and the new default one whenever its finalized.
> 
> Patch - https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/37888
> 
> Call for Submissions
> http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Chart-Colors-td4214948.html

Not sure about legal issues calling colors "Excel 2010".

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 106534] Color set/ palette for charts missing since reorganization of color palettes

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Yousuf Philips (jay)  changed:

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 CC||philip...@hotmail.com

--- Comment #10 from Yousuf Philips (jay)  ---
As mentioned on telegram, we can create a new color palette that contains
various chart color palettes in it, including the old one, some new ones from
various sources and the new default one whenever its finalized.

Patch - https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/37888

Call for Submissions
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Chart-Colors-td4214948.html

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--- Comment #9 from Heiko Tietze  ---
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #8)
> Colors adjusted as close as possible to the old design.
> https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/37819/

The patch was refused favoring a new palette (discussion also on Telegram). As
I voted against that approach because adding various palettes contradicts our
previous work I'm out here.

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--- Comment #8 from Heiko Tietze  ---
Colors adjusted as close as possible to the old design.
https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/37819/

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Pénzes Dávid  changed:

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 Blocks||90486


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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90486
[Bug 90486] [META] Chart bugs and enhancements
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Heiko Tietze  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Blocks||105225

--- Comment #7 from Heiko Tietze  ---
Another palette only adds confusion as we have today quite many different
variants. I'd rather go with the standard palette and select new colors. Plus,
we should provide common access to colors and palettes (bug 105225) and could
offer the old chart palette as extension (if this one isn't the same as the old
standard palette).


Referenced Bugs:

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=105225
[Bug 105225] Color palette cannot be chosen in various places
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Thomas Lendo  changed:

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   Keywords||needsUXEval
 CC||libreoffice-ux-advise@lists
   ||.freedesktop.org

--- Comment #6 from Thomas Lendo  ---
Adding keyword needsUXEval because user should be able to reuse the chart
default colors, so this is a UX and design issue.

Idea: A chart color palette should be introduced. Or another idea to handle
that?

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