[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 148673] Should the Bullet and Numbering toolbar also appear with unnumbered (chapter) headings?
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=148673 sdc.bla...@youmail.dk changed: What|Removed |Added See Also|https://bugs.documentfounda | |tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=38 | |850 | -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 148673] Should the Bullet and Numbering toolbar also appear with unnumbered (chapter) headings?
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=148673 Heiko Tietze changed: What|Removed |Added Status|UNCONFIRMED |RESOLVED Resolution|--- |DUPLICATE --- Comment #10 from Heiko Tietze --- Let's do it. But making it a duplicate of bug 38850. *** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of bug 38850 *** -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 148673] Should the Bullet and Numbering toolbar also appear with unnumbered (chapter) headings?
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=148673
--- Comment #9 from sdc.bla...@youmail.dk ---
(In reply to Mike Kaganski from comment #8)
> No strong opinion on this ...
Aww..that is disappointing. I was sure that at least you would like the idea
of removing the offer to apply DF numbering to Heading N paragraphs in an
outline bar.
> except one: please stop using "headings" here.
No problem. See comment 3 ("neutral about name change").
I appreciate that there is much confusion/debate about this terminology -- and
I am not trying to participate in that discussion -- or to promote particular
terminology.
But I needed to use some words to communicate about the functionality. Sorry if
my "lay" terms were a source of distress. But today you have given some
technical definitions, which are fine with me -- so from bug 141452 comment
#24:
>* Heading is a paragraph having an outline level other than "Text Body".
That was also my understanding. And that was also my intended meaning of
"heading" here. Concretely, whenever the cursor is in a paragraph with outline
level other than Text Body, then a special toolbar (not Bullets and Numbering)
should appear.
But after some experiments and reflection, I now see/believe that it only makes
sense for a context-sensitive toolbar to appear when the cursor is placed in a
Heading N PS paragraph – for the primary reason that it is not possible to
change the outline level of Heading paragraphs that are non-Heading N (using
toolbar/menu commands). (which by luck was also the OP).
With that additional condition (only show context-sensitive toolbar for Heading
N PS), then it makes a lot of sense to call a context-sensitive toolbar for
“Outline” (which is also the name that the Organizer uses to show “List Style”
for Heading N PS).
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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 148673] Should the Bullet and Numbering toolbar also appear with unnumbered (chapter) headings?
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=148673 --- Comment #8 from Mike Kaganski --- (In reply to sdc.blanco from comment #7) No strong opinion on this ... except one: please stop using "headings" here. There *already* exists a confusion introduced by "outline" and "chapter" meaning the same (in some contexts; and different things in some other contexts: cf. "chapter numbering" renamed from "outline numbering", which made "chapter equal to outline"; while "chapter" means some more narrow thing in ToC dialog, where "Create Index or Table of Contents For" has a "Chapter" choice). So use of *Headings* as another wrong and confusing synonym here is no-go. Headings are already used in this way in Navigator, giving even more headaches. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 148673] Should the Bullet and Numbering toolbar also appear with unnumbered (chapter) headings?
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=148673 --- Comment #7 from sdc.bla...@youmail.dk --- (In reply to Mike Kaganski from comment #6) > It could be done; however, So...exploring the idea a little further... > or that two "identical" toolbars pop > up sometimes - when in numbered headings, both toolbar for lists and toolbar > for outlines will appear, and many people already frown upon toolbar popups). Oh! That was not my idea. IIUC -- headings and lists (at least conceptually) should be treated differently so, when ... - cursor in Chapter Heading (numbered or unnumbered), then only "Outline" (or "Heading") toolbar pops up. - cursor in List (DF or List Style): - only "List" toolbar pops up. AFAICT -- no need to modify content of Bullet and Numbering toolbar (including its name, which would avoid having to update the help pages) And for a new Headings bar (starting with current B default) a. Can remove .uno:OutlineBullet (and the hidden uno:DefaultBullet, .uno:DefaultNumbering, .uno:SetOutline) (isn't is a problem or at least undesired to use these DF controls on Headings?) b. Could also remove .uno:InsertNeutralParagraph and .uno:ContinueNumbering (which gives a leaner toolbar with no greyed out icons) c. Can use TargetURL so that different names/tooltips can be given to "arrows" that promote/demote, and move up and down for Headings and for Lists (that was sort of an intent in bug 144493, but it was not fully possible, bug 147107) d. Is there a .uno for Tools > Chapter Numbering? That could appropriately be added to a Heading bar. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 148673] Should the Bullet and Numbering toolbar also appear with unnumbered (chapter) headings?
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=148673 --- Comment #6 from Mike Kaganski --- (In reply to sdc.blanco from comment #5) > What about making two separate context-sensitive toolbars -- one for > "Chapter Headings" and one for "Lists"? It could be done; however, I believe it would be redundant (having very similar set of controls); and also confusing (to the point when users will be upset that they customized the toolbar appearing on lists, and then it shows without customizations when in unnumbered headings (they would fail to see that these are different toolbars); or that two "identical" toolbars pop up sometimes - when in numbered headings, both toolbar for lists and toolbar for outlines will appear, and many people already frown upon toolbar popups). -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 148673] Should the Bullet and Numbering toolbar also appear with unnumbered (chapter) headings?
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=148673 --- Comment #5 from sdc.bla...@youmail.dk --- (In reply to Mike Kaganski from comment #4) > Please note that name change is *essential* for the OP Ok. So a next logical step would be to ask: What about making two separate context-sensitive toolbars -- one for "Chapter Headings" and one for "Lists"? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 148673] Should the Bullet and Numbering toolbar also appear with unnumbered (chapter) headings?
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=148673 --- Comment #4 from Mike Kaganski --- (In reply to sdc.blanco from comment #3) > Neutral about name change (was not in OP) Please note that name change is *essential* for the OP: if you have "Bullet and Numbering" toolbar, then it *must not* appear when no bullets or numbering is involved. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 148673] Should the Bullet and Numbering toolbar also appear with unnumbered (chapter) headings?
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=148673 --- Comment #3 from sdc.bla...@youmail.dk --- Neutral about name change (was not in OP) – though agree that "Outline and List" bar would better signal the toolbar’s functionality, and better match the relevant Para and PS dialogs tabs. Note implication with name change: at least 36 help pages would need updating (plus triggering need for retranslations). Assume that Format > Bullets and Numbering (.uno:OutlineBullet) would remain with ”Bullets and Numbering”(which is another advantage with a toolbar name change, because it would disambiguate the Bullets and Numbering DF dialog (which chooses list formats) from the (mostly) "level" and "order" functions of the "Outline and List" bar). -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 148673] Should the Bullet and Numbering toolbar also appear with unnumbered (chapter) headings?
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=148673 --- Comment #2 from Mike Kaganski --- (In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #1) > I support the request to show the B toolbar for PS with an outline level > other than Text Body. Then please rename the toolbar to include the "outline" word: bullets and numbering is completely unrelated to outline. You may use "Lists and Outline" or somesuch? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 148673] Should the Bullet and Numbering toolbar also appear with unnumbered (chapter) headings?
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=148673 Heiko Tietze changed: What|Removed |Added CC||mikekagan...@hotmail.com See Also||https://bugs.documentfounda ||tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=38 ||850 --- Comment #1 from Heiko Tietze --- I support the request to show the B toolbar for PS with an outline level other than Text Body. The statusbar has an item which brings you to the B dialog but promotion/demotion is only available at the Navigator (besides Format > Lists menu and B toolbar; the Notebookbars may contain the commands). Any concerns, Mike? See also bug 38850 requesting a permanently visible toolbar. One decision opposes the other. Toolbars are contextual unless explicitly enabled, which works for the B toolbar until some numbered heading is focused making the TB disappear on leave. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 148673] Should the Bullet and Numbering toolbar also appear with unnumbered (chapter) headings?
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