[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 154795] Font selection pane offers choice of "language" - which isn't.

2023-05-08 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154795

Heiko Tietze  changed:

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--- Comment #5 from Heiko Tietze  ---
(In reply to Eyal Rozenberg from comment #4)
> (In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #3)
> > So you suggest to have a separate dropdown for Country in the font tab,
> > probably one for all three groups?
> 
> I can't suggest that, because the whole situation is invalid: Font selection
> has nothing to do with language or country selection.

Not a topic for UX then (likely a duplicate).

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 154795] Font selection pane offers choice of "language" - which isn't.

2023-05-08 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154795

--- Comment #4 from Eyal Rozenberg  ---
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #3)
> So you suggest to have a separate dropdown for Country in the font tab,
> probably one for all three groups?

I can't suggest that, because the whole situation is invalid: Font selection
has nothing to do with language or country selection.

If we did that, however, it would resolve this particular bug, while
maintaining, perhaps even underlining, the bug of having country/locale
selection in the wrong place. I suppose that would be an improvement over the
current state of affairs.

As for the deeper solution... I'll first say that I think there should be a
deep paradigmatic discussion about these issues. Possibly even deeper than at
the LibreOffice app level. I'll then say that maybe it makes sense for the
choice of locale to be outside the app, tied to the choice of keyboard layout.
Because there's no reason the user should not be able to enter text in multiple
locales in the same language group, regardless of font; and that action is not
specific to LO, but does seem to tie nicely with the desktop-environment-level
choice of keyboard layout. And as for fonts and font families - the dialog
should allow the specification of a font-set, as discussed in bug 151215: A
mapping from languages to fonts with fallbacks for languages not explicitly
specified or when glyphs are missing etc.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 154795] Font selection pane offers choice of "language" - which isn't.

2023-05-08 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154795

Heiko Tietze  changed:

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 154795] Font selection pane offers choice of "language" - which isn't.

2023-05-08 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154795

--- Comment #3 from Heiko Tietze  ---
So you suggest to have a separate dropdown for Country in the font tab,
probably one for all three groups?

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 154795] Font selection pane offers choice of "language" - which isn't.

2023-05-07 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #2 from Eyal Rozenberg  ---
(In reply to Regina Henschel from comment #1)
> The field there sets a language/country pair. If you select
> "English(Israel)" you get fo:language="en" and fo:country="IL".
> 
> You need this information, for example, to select the appropriate
> dictionaries, thesauri, hyphenation rules, and AutoCorrect entries.

... none of which are relevant when choosing a _font_. Changing a font should
have no effect on dictionaries, thesauri, hyphenation or autocorrect.

So, clearly, the choice of country should be placed somewhere closed to where
we control or configure the use of these features.


> Are you sure there exists items, which are not considered somewhere? For
> example, you can define your own AutoCorrect entries for each of the items
> in this 'Language' drop-down list.

Even if choosing a country is significant in some contexts, there is rarely a
need to choose a pair from the Cartesian product of language x country (as
opposed to local language variants).

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