[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 68271] EDITING: Paragraphs are inserted without paragraph end character

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=68271

Heiko Tietze  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

   Keywords|needsUXEval |
 Status|NEW |RESOLVED
 CC|libreoffice-ux-advise@lists |tietze.he...@gmail.com
   |.freedesktop.org|
 Resolution|--- |WONTFIX
   Severity|normal  |enhancement

--- Comment #15 from Heiko Tietze  ---
We discussed the pros and cons in the design meeting. While users from other
tools would benefit from the familiar workflow (see Jay's comparison in comment
12) the LibreOffice users know and accept our way of dealing with paragraph
breaks. So we came to the conclusion to keep the current behavior.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 68271] EDITING: Paragraphs are inserted without paragraph end character

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--- Comment #14 from Cor Nouws  ---
also, this "problem" already exists since 1995 or so :)
Apart from that I appreciate the present behavior for a workflow faster and
cleaner than I remember from the other program, also consider what one might
break in existing macro applications.
I suggest to close as NotABug

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 68271] EDITING: Paragraphs are inserted without paragraph end character

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Thomas Lendo  changed:

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--- Comment #13 from Thomas Lendo  ---
I agree with Cor Nouws in comment 11.

But I would support the idea if the user can choose the behavior (with or
without end character) in the options dialog.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 68271] EDITING: Paragraphs are inserted without paragraph end character

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Yousuf Philips (jay)  changed:

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--- Comment #12 from Yousuf Philips (jay)  ---
Application Comparison:

= Browsers =
Firefox: Not Included
Chromium-based : Included

= Word Processors =
Abiword  : Included
Calligra : Not Included
- Windows -
WordPad  : Included
MS Word  : Included
WordPerfect  : Included
- Mac -
WPS/Kingsoft : Included
iWork Pages  : Included
TextEdit : Included
- Browser -
Google Docs  : Included

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 68271] EDITING: Paragraphs are inserted without paragraph end character

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--- Comment #10 from Harald Koester  ---
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #9)
> ... On the other hand it's pretty
> clear what is selected and with one additional key stroke you can add the
> break.
I think a quad click in order to select a paragraph is not used by a lot of
users. Thus I do not think that most of these users are aware that they have to
select the paragraph end character explicitly. In most cases they afterwards
will 'repair' the text by deleting and/or inserting a paragraph end character.

Furthermore it's more logical and consistent to insert a paragraph with a
paragraph end character: A word is also inserted with an additional space and a
sentence is inserted with a full stop. 

Certainly this is not a bigger problem, but I think a change would make
LibreOffice just a bit smarter at this place.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 68271] EDITING: Paragraphs are inserted without paragraph end character

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--- Comment #9 from Heiko Tietze  ---
Double checked the behavior of MS Word and the paragraph break is included in
the selection, meaning like requested here. On the other hand it's pretty clear
what is selected and with one additional key stroke you can add the break.

IIRC, we had the same or similar discussion where the cursor should go when
jumping with ctrl+up/down where it also wasn't clear if we go to the beginning
of the next paragraph or the end of the current. Both approaches have an
advantage, IMHO.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 68271] EDITING: Paragraphs are inserted without paragraph end character

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V Stuart Foote  changed:

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--- Comment #8 from V Stuart Foote  ---
Is this even valid?

Behavior now when you select content (with 4 mouse clicks OR with
+) of a paragraph--you _do not_ include the paragraph break.
So it would be wrong to insert one on paste.

If you need the paragraph end in the selection, extend the selection to include
the end marker.

Current (legacy behavior) is correct.

IMHO => WONTFIX

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